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MLBTR: Mets Fire Mickey Callaway

“We want to thank Mickey for his consistent work ethic and dedication over the last two seasons and I’m certain these characteristics will serve him well in his next opportunity,” Mets general manager Brodie Van Wagenen said in a statement accompanying today’s press release.


Best of luck un your future endeavors.

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   1. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 03, 2019 at 03:28 PM (#5886010)
Seemed inevitable to me. Joe Girardi would be a solid hire, and it would really rub it in the Yankees face if they won a WS before the Boone-led Yankees.
   2. bfan Posted: October 03, 2019 at 03:34 PM (#5886013)
Who gets fired after winning 9 of 12?
   3. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 03, 2019 at 04:27 PM (#5886048)
Van Wagenen announced that Edwin Diaz will be back in 2020 (Syndergaard, too). I’d ask for more money if I were Girardi.
   4. The Duke Posted: October 03, 2019 at 04:37 PM (#5886054)
We’d like to thank Mickey for bringing coffee and donuts on Friday. This kind of teamwork will serve him well.

The thing about firing your manager is that it puts the ownership of the winning issue squarely on the GM. I am consistently surprised that GMs think these guys make much difference.

Craig Counsell has looked really good but then again so has his GM so who knows where that credit lies. Matheny was so bad that Shildt looks great but in reality Shildt is just a competent manager.

Torre was a bum until he moved to the Yanks (and a much better team).

I wouldn’t have fired Ausmus, callaway or Maddon. Hurdle lost control of his team and had to go.

   5. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 03, 2019 at 04:46 PM (#5886060)
From TFA:
Of course, things aren’t always as they seem in the public eye, either. The New York Post’s Mike Puma reports, for instance, that Callaway’s early insistence on saving Diaz for the ninth inning and refusing to use him for more than three outs was a “direct order” from COO Jeff Wilpon.
   6. Walt Davis Posted: October 03, 2019 at 04:58 PM (#5886065)
“We want to thank Mickey for his consistent work ethic and dedication over the last two seasons and I’m certain these characteristics will serve him well in his next opportunity,” Mets general manager Brodie Van Wagenen said in a statement accompanying today’s press release.

He showed up on time and didn't leave early is not exactly high praise.
   7. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: October 03, 2019 at 05:23 PM (#5886080)
Alternative statements of praise:

"Mickey was occasionally able to provide a semi-coherent rationale for his decisions."

"When given the opportunity, Mickey usually declined to intentionally walk the opposing team's backup catcher to load the bases for its best hitter."

"Mickey almost always sent the correct batter to the plate, and was beginning to understand the double-switch."
   8. . Posted: October 03, 2019 at 05:31 PM (#5886084)
The New York Post’s Mike Puma reports, for instance, that Callaway’s early insistence on saving Diaz for the ninth inning and refusing to use him for more than three outs was a “direct order” from COO Jeff Wilpon.


LOL.
   9. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 03, 2019 at 06:15 PM (#5886096)
The thing about firing your manager is that it puts the ownership of the winning issue squarely on the GM.

It's already pretty squarely on the GM. Callaway made some questionable in-game decisions during the year, but he took a team projected to win 86 games (average of BPro, 538 and Fangraphs) and they won...86 games. This, despite the fact that most of the GM's major offseason acquisitions -- Robinson Cano, Edwin Diaz, and Jeurys Familia -- were terrible.

To be fair to BVW, JD Davis, Justin Wilson, and Wilson Ramos worked out pretty well. But when the bullpen is your weakness and the guys you acquire blow 11 saves*, and you miss the playoffs by 3 games, it's hard to point the finger at the manager.

* Not including Wilson in that total, even though he also blew 4.
   10. Howie Menckel Posted: October 03, 2019 at 06:49 PM (#5886111)
the Mets were the only team in MLB whose Over/Under preseason total was not yet settled entering the final weekend.
Vegas tended to have them at 84.5 or 85. they got a 3-run, 11th-inning, pinch-hit walkoff HR from Dom Smith (who hadn't batted in more than 2 months) for a 7-6 win in the finale.

Mets went 42-21 in their last 63 games, and their '10 games over' finish was the season's high-water mark.
   11. JJ1986 Posted: October 03, 2019 at 08:43 PM (#5886195)
Callaway clearly hated that the front office was encroaching on his job and giving him orders about in-game decisions and making him take responsibility for them. He had a meltdown about it once and went after a reporter. He wasn't BVW's guy and they didn't have the same ideas about what a manager's job is.
   12. depletion Posted: October 03, 2019 at 09:28 PM (#5886259)
That quote from the NY Post's Puma is taken slightly out of context. It refers to the front office's direction at the beginning of the year, which is not really out of line. Diaz is a young pitcher who, at the beginning of the year, had a chance to be something special. I still think he has a shot at a good career, but Callaway kept putting him out there in the 9th after it was plain that he was not the pitcher he was at the beginning of the year, or last year. Once his ERA exploded Diaz should have been used in blowouts only until he got his act together.
   13. Howie Menckel Posted: October 03, 2019 at 09:59 PM (#5886270)
I would be shocked if Callaway "kept putting him out there in the 9th" in spite of the wishes of Brodie and the Wilpons.

if he had, why not fire him in July?
   14. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 03, 2019 at 10:00 PM (#5886271)
David Cone would pick up the phone if the Mets called. But why not go with Bobby Bonilla - they’re already paying him.
   15. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: October 04, 2019 at 11:16 AM (#5886395)
The Mets didn't stop playing for him and they finished the season well. That's an argument to keep him on board. On the other hand, he was brought in because he was a pitching expert, expected to help bring out the best out of a pitching staff.
   16. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2019 at 11:23 AM (#5886397)
Not to be a Mets fan, but even money it's a worse finish next year; and Callaway wins a WS with another team in 2021 or '22.
   17. Karl from NY Posted: October 04, 2019 at 02:42 PM (#5886539)
He showed up on time and didn't leave early is not exactly high praise.

Well, being present in the dugout is one up on Bobby Valentine, at least.
   18. bobm Posted: October 04, 2019 at 09:43 PM (#5886683)
Callaway kept putting him out there in the 9th after it was plain that he was not the pitcher he was at the beginning of the year, or last year. Once his ERA exploded Diaz should have been used in blowouts only until he got his act together.

Callaway started taking away save opportunities around August 10, per the article below, pitching in about 60% high leverage situations before to 25% after. How much earlier should he have lost the closer job? End of May?

2019 Diaz gamelog

                                                                        
Rk        Date Opp   Rslt     Inngs                    Dec  DR  ERA  aLI
1        Mar28 WSN   W2-0      9-GF                   S(1)  99 0.00 1.32
2        Mar30 WSN  W11-8      9-GF                   S(2)   1 0.00  .63
3         Apr1 MIA   W7-3      9-GF                          1 0.00 1.93
4         Apr3 MIA   W6-4      9-GF                   S(3)   1 0.00 1.55
5         Apr6 WSN   W6-5      9-GF                   S(4)   2 0.00 2.11
6        Apr10 MIN   W9-6      9-GF                          3 1.93  .52
7        Apr11 ATL   W6-3      9-GF                   S(5)   0 1.59 1.33
8        Apr15 PHI   W7-6 11-GF(11)                   S(6)   3 1.35 2.74
9        Apr19 STL   W5-4      9-GF                   S(7)   3 1.17 3.77
10       Apr22 PHI   W5-1      9-GF                          2 1.04  .17
11       Apr27 MIL   L6-8      9-GF                          4 0.93  .22
12       Apr28 MIL   W5-2      9-GF                   S(8)   0 0.84  .42
13       Apr29 CIN   L4-5      9-GF                 L(0-1)   0 1.54 1.43
14        May1 CIN   L0-1      9-GF                 L(0-2)   1 2.13 1.43
15        May4 MIL   L3-4     12-12                          2 1.98 1.86
16        May7 SDP   W7-6      9-GF                   S(9)   2 2.45 5.40
17       May11 MIA   W4-1      9-GF                  S(10)   3 2.30  .60
18       May18 MIA   L0-2   8-GF(8)                          6 2.16  .18
19       May20 WSN   W5-3      9-GF                  S(11)   1 2.04 3.10
20       May21 WSN   W6-5      9-GF                 W(1-2)   0 1.93 2.35
21       May23 WSN   W6-4      9-GF                  S(12)   1 1.83  .94
22       May25 DET   W5-4       8-8                  BS(1)   1 1.80 2.64
23       May26 DET   W4-3      9-GF                  S(13)   0 1.71 4.87
24       May28 LAD   W7-3      9-GF                          1 1.64  .54
25       May29 LAD   L8-9      9-GF                BL(1-3)   0 3.22 2.70
26        Jun1 ARI   L5-6      9-10                          2 3.04 2.83
27        Jun4 SFG   L3-9       9-9                          2 2.92 1.92
28        Jun8 COL   W5-3      9-GF                  S(14)   3 2.81 1.77
29       Jun13 STL   L4-5  9-GF(10)                BL(1-4)   4 3.58 2.42
30       Jun15 STL   W8-7      9-GF                  S(15)   1 3.77 1.62
31       Jun21 CHC   W5-4      9-GF                  S(16)   5 3.64 2.74
32       Jun26 PHI   L4-5       9-9                          4 3.52 1.87
33       Jun27 PHI   L3-6      9-GF                BL(1-5)   0 4.94 2.81
34       Jun30 ATL   W8-5      9-GF                  S(17)   2 4.78  .42
35        Jul2 NYY   W4-2      9-GF                  S(18)   1 4.64 1.77
36        Jul5 PHI   L2-7       9-9                 L(1-6)   2 5.67 1.41
37        Jul6 PHI   W6-5      9-GF                  S(19)   0 5.50 2.61
38       Jul13 MIA   W4-2      9-GF                  S(20)   6 5.35 1.78
39       Jul16 MIN   W3-2      9-GF                  S(21)   2 5.20 6.01
40       Jul18 SFG   L2-3     10-10                          1 5.06 2.67
41       Jul21 SFG   L2-3     10-10                          2 4.93 1.81
42       Jul23 SDP   W5-2      9-GF                  S(22)   1 4.81 1.06
43       Jul25 SDP   W4-0       9-9                          1 4.81  .33
44       Jul28 PIT   W8-7      9-GF                  S(23)   2 4.95 1.47
45       Jul30 CHW   W5-2       9-9                  BS(5)   1 5.05 4.98
46       Jul31 CHW   W4-2      9-GF                  S(24)   0 5.14  .55
47        Aug3 PIT   W7-5      9-GF                          2 5.44  .59
48     Aug5(1) MIA   W6-2      9-GF                          1 5.32  .42

49       Aug11 WSN   L4-7      9-GF                          5 5.60  .65
50       Aug15 ATL  W10-8      9-GF                  S(25)   3 5.56 1.16
51       Aug16 KCR   L1-4   8-GF(8)                          0 5.44  .44
52       Aug18 KCR  W11-5      9-GF                          1 5.32  .05
53       Aug23 ATL   L1-2     10-10                          4 5.21 3.58
54       Aug24 ATL   L5-9       9-9                          0 5.55  .17
55       Aug28 CHC  L7-10       8-8                          3 5.44  .09
56       Aug30 PHI  W11-5       8-8                          1 5.33  .22
57        Sep2 WSN   W7-3      9-GF                          2 5.29  .07
58        Sep3 WSN L10-11      9-GF                BL(1-7)   0 5.65 3.91
59        Sep6 PHI   W5-4      9-GF                BW(2-7)   2 5.88 1.51
60        Sep8 PHI  L7-10       8-8                          1 5.77  .18
61       Sep16 COL   L4-9   8-GF(8)                          7 5.83  .08
62       Sep20 CIN   W8-1       8-8                          3 5.80  .50
63       Sep22 CIN   W6-3       7-7                   H(1)   1 5.69 1.87
64       Sep23 MIA   L4-8       8-8                          0 5.59  .09
65       Sep26 MIA   L2-4      9-GF                          2 5.68  .32
66       Sep28 ATL   W3-0      9-GF                  S(26)   1 5.59  .42


Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 10/4/2019.

Source: Mets no longer using Edwin Diaz as their sole closer
Matt Ehalt
Yahoo Sports
Aug 10, 2019, 6:54 PM

New York - For about a week now, New York Mets manager Mickey Callaway has left the door open to the possibility that the team could replace Edwin Diaz as its closer.

Callaway has never outright said Diaz is not his closer, but insisted that he and his staff will do whatever it takes to win.

Well, more light has been shed on how the Mets plan to win and it’s clear that Diaz is no longer the team’s exclusive closer.

Had the Mets taken a lead entering the ninth inning Friday night against the Washington Nationals, it would have been Seth Lugo serving as closer instead of Diaz, a source told Yahoo Sports.

While that scenario did not unfold since the Mets trailed entering the ninth before rallying against Sean Doolittle for a 7-6 win, it would have marked the first time the Mets passed on Diaz in a save situation while he was available to pitch.

[...] During Friday’s game, the Mets trailed 5-3 in the eighth inning and brought the tying run to the plate. Had they tied the game or taken the lead, Lugo would have entered, according to the source. The Mets ultimately didn’t score that inning, and Robert Gsellman started the ninth inning, his second inning of work.


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   19. Lassus Posted: October 04, 2019 at 11:33 PM (#5886711)
Narratives laugh at your stupid poopy data!
   20. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 05, 2019 at 01:55 AM (#5886736)
On Sept. 3, with the Mets in the thick of the WC race, Callaway brought Diaz into the bottom of the 9th inning with the bases loaded and the Mets up 10-6 against the WC-leading Nats. He had allowed 9 ER and 5 HR in his previous 11.2 IP, and promptly allowed a double and a HR in an 11-10 Mets loss.

So, 2 games later, top of the 9th, Mets up by 2 runs against the Phils, what does Callaway do? He brings in Diaz again, who promptly allows a base runner and a 2-run HR to tie the game up. The Mets came back to win that one in the bottom of the 9th, but I think that game was the one where I really started hearing the “fire Callaway” comments ramp up. I mean, Diaz had allowed 11 earned runs and 6 homers in his prior 11.2 IP. Not sure what Callaway was thinking.
   21. Adam Starblind Posted: October 05, 2019 at 10:37 AM (#5886763)


It's already pretty squarely on the GM. Callaway made some questionable in-game decisions during the year, but he took a team projected to win 86 games (average of BPro, 538 and Fangraphs) and they won...86 games. This, despite the fact that most of the GM's major offseason acquisitions -- Robinson Cano, Edwin Diaz, and Jeurys Familia -- were terrible.

To be fair to BVW, JD Davis, Justin Wilson, and Wilson Ramos worked out pretty well. But when the bullpen is your weakness and the guys you acquire blow 11 saves*, and you miss the playoffs by 3 games, it's hard to point the finger at the manager.


Yeah, this was a very decent year and Callaway was hardly the biggest problem on the team -- he didn't tell Cano and Diaz (and to a lesser extent Syndergaard) to suck.

But you can't deny there have been in-game keystroke errors several times. I'm coming around to the idea that a competent, experienced guy who won't make those kinds of mistakes may make the most sense for certain teams, including this one. Is Art Howe around? Actually, I heard the name "Dusty Baker" floated, and I've heard worse suggestions.
   22. Adam Starblind Posted: October 05, 2019 at 10:41 AM (#5886765)

Well, being present in the dugout is one up on Bobby Valentine, at least.


Are you forgetting the disguise incident? Dude would do ANYTHING to be in the dugout!
   23. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 05, 2019 at 02:54 PM (#5886832)
That wasn't him, that was the elusive rogue Bolivar Valentino.

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