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Friday, July 10, 2009

mlbtradeumors.com: Mets, Braves Swap Church For Francoeur

5:04pm: Hubbuch says the deal was straight up, one for one.

5:01pm: David Lennon tweets that Church was traded to Atlanta for Jeff Francoeur

5:00pm: Bart Hubbuch of The NY Post tweets that the Ryan Church has “apparently been traded.” No word yet on any of the details. Stay tuned to MLBTR for updates.

The Mets acquire their much needed edge.

Edit: Per request, I’ve reopened The original Official Mets Fan Self-Immolation Thread for commenting. Jim

Tripon Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:10 PM | 277 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Ignatius J. Reilly Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:20 PM (#3249421)
Our long national nightmare has ended.
   2. JoeHova Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:21 PM (#3249424)
Wow...
   3. JJ1986 Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:21 PM (#3249425)
I guess things can't get any worse now.
   4. Banta Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:21 PM (#3249429)
I stated last night I'd rather have cancer than Redding and Livan.

I think I spoke too soon.
   5. Rivers McCown Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:22 PM (#3249430)
Alright. Time to fire Minaya.
   6. rr Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:22 PM (#3249431)
What airline will Jeff fly into the Big Apple?
   7. Randomly Fluctuating Defensive Metric Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:22 PM (#3249432)
I’ve got to say, pretty awful trade by the Mets. It doesn’t mean much in the long run, but it’s still a bad move, mainly because Francoeur is terrible at playing baseball.
   8. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:22 PM (#3249433)
Um, what?
   9. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:22 PM (#3249434)
I can't wait to read Dan's TO writeup. This is truly a glorious day.
   10. Northpaw Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:24 PM (#3249436)
The John Mabry deal of our generation.
   11. Kiko Sakata Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:24 PM (#3249437)
Is this for real? Because I don't get this from the Mets side. I thought Ryan Church was okay. I notice he's having a down year offensively, which still leaves him quite a bit better than Francoeur, and UZR says he's fine defensively, too. Is there something the Mets hate about him?
   12. Banta Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:24 PM (#3249439)
Can we unlock the self-immolation thread, please? This is a special occasion.

It really deserves a bump.
   13. ?Donde esta Dagoberto Campaneris? Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:25 PM (#3249440)
Not only is this a great deal for the Braves, this thread has unlimited potential.
   14. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:26 PM (#3249444)
   15. Lassus Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:26 PM (#3249447)
Maybe HoJo can fix Frenchie in 10 minutes.

I hated Church at first, but grew to like him. This trade is just generally hilarious.
   16. J. Lowenstein Apathy Club Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:26 PM (#3249448)
I'm pouring myself a drink. This oughta be good.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Mets fans, you have my sympathies.

What airline will Jeff fly into the Big Apple?


The temptation to make a tasteless 9/11 joke is strong.
   17. Mike A Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:27 PM (#3249451)
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
My, oh my what a wonderful day!
Plenty of sunshine heading my way
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay

Mister Bluebird on my shoulder
It's the truth, it's actch'll
Ev'rything is satisfactch'll
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Wonderful feeling, wonderful day!
   18. Swoboda is freedom Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:27 PM (#3249452)
Francoeur is paid more than Church, by about a million, so its not as if they are saving any money.

Hojo says he can fix Frenchy in 10 minutes.


edit: owe lassus a coke
   19. SouthSideRyan Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:27 PM (#3249453)
#### you swoboda, I came here just for that joke.
   20. Raskolnikov Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:27 PM (#3249454)
I am ashamed to be a Mets fan.
   21. SouthSideRyan Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:28 PM (#3249455)
Oh and Lasuss too.

Maybe I'm not as clever as I seem to believe.
   22. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:29 PM (#3249456)
Getcha popcorn ready.
   23. aleskel Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:30 PM (#3249458)
this isn't a trade, this is a cry for help
   24. ?Donde esta Dagoberto Campaneris? Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:30 PM (#3249459)
Hojo says he can fix Frenchy in 10 minutes.

Does he mean "fix" in the Bob Barker way- that seems like it's a little extreme.
   25. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:30 PM (#3249460)
I know it's pointless and all, but why are you all making a big deal? Ryan Church ####### sucks.
   26. Dr. Vaux Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:31 PM (#3249463)
Unfathomable.
   27. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:31 PM (#3249464)
WHY WOULD THE BRAVES HELP A DIVISION RIVAL???
   28. Lassus Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:32 PM (#3249465)
I feel like I'm betraying my people, but I can't really bring myself to hate this trade, again, because of the sheer comedic value.

Trading for, say, Garret Anderson would have destroyed me utterly, and brought out an endless stream of depression and rage. I'm bummed primarily because it seems like Church is better, and he's been great defensively in the outfield, even over the last couple days showing it off. THAT annoys me. Really, Church, ESPECIALLY since the head injury, hasn't been all that, so I don't see the big deal there.

But in general, really, this could be a lot worse, because at least it's funny. If it BENDS, it's comedy, and this trade is utterly bent.
   29. Raskolnikov Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:32 PM (#3249466)
Maybe this is step 1 of including Francoeur in a package for Roy Halladay. Yeah, that's it. That must be the master plan.
   30. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:32 PM (#3249467)
I know it's pointless and all, but why are you all making a big deal? Ryan Church ####### sucks.

You think you know suck now, just wait until you get a look at Frenchy on a daily basis. A Church/Diaz platoon will do just fine. One more outfielder to go...
   31. Old Matt Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:32 PM (#3249468)
Wow.
   32. KronicFatigue Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:32 PM (#3249469)
I'm going to be watching this thread for awhile....especially b/c i can't stand up right now.
   33. A Fatty Cow That Need Two Seats Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:33 PM (#3249470)
Maybe he can partner up with Jetblue?

Otherwise, *sobs*
   34. Swoboda is freedom Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:33 PM (#3249471)

Does he mean "fix" in the Bob Barker way- that seems like it's a little extreme.


Not really, when you consider how bad he is. In addition to that, I think his home should be burned down and the ground salted so nothing ever grows there again.
   35. Banta Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:33 PM (#3249473)
Ryan Church ####### sucks.

There's suck and then there's Frenchy.

I've watched him play. He's one of the worst hitters I've ever seen. That's not hyperbole, he is in a whole other level. To give up ANYTHING to get Francoeur onto your team, and that includes a roster spot, is completely idiotic and shows that you don't have a clue.
   36. Who Swished In Your Cornflakes? Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:33 PM (#3249474)
Wow. I'm so sorry, Mets fans.
   37. Coot Veal and Cot Deal taste like Old Bay Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:34 PM (#3249475)
   38. Tripon Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:34 PM (#3249476)
Jeff Francouer 2008 WAR: -3.0

http://www.baseballprojection.com/war/f/franj004.htm

Ryan Church 2008 WAR: 1.0

http://www.baseballprojection.com/war/c/churr001.htm
   39. greenback fixes the cable Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:34 PM (#3249477)
The temptation to make a tasteless 9/11 joke is strong.

After checking the previous self-immolation thread, I have to ask, wouldn't a tasteless Cory Lidle joke fit better?
   40. Rickey! No. You move. Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:34 PM (#3249478)
I have no words. I'm going to go poke Sam M. on Facebook.
   41. CraigK Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:34 PM (#3249479)
FIRE MINAYA NOW
   42. Northpaw Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:35 PM (#3249481)
The temptation to make a tasteless 9/11 joke is strong.


Are there any tasteful ones?
   43. Banta Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:35 PM (#3249482)
It's like trading Castro to play Santos times 1000. Omar has never heard of OBP.
   44. CraigK Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:36 PM (#3249484)
So, in other words, Lastings Milledge for Brian Schneider and Jeff Francoeur.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
   45. Raskolnikov Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:36 PM (#3249485)
Let's see, after Francouer comes to NY, Citifield and the Mets will kill his capacity to hit any HRs, which was probably the only thing that Francoeur can do. So that basically makes Jeff Francoeur in a Mets uniform THE ABSOLUTE WORST PLAYER IN BASEBALL HISTORY.
   46. Repoz Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:36 PM (#3249486)
Well...Minaya never liked OBP anyway.
   47. Dudefella Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:37 PM (#3249487)
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus this is a terrible season
   48. Scott Lange Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:38 PM (#3249488)
This trade announcement really needs a laugh track and a Bob Saget narrative voiceover.
   49. aleskel Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:38 PM (#3249489)
I bet Keith Hernandez likes the trade
   50. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:38 PM (#3249490)
Let's see, after Francouer comes to NY, Citifield and the Mets will kill his capacity to hit any HRs, which was probably the only thing that Francoeur can do.

And really, he can't even do that. You'd be surprised by the breadth of things he can't do.
   51. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:38 PM (#3249491)
Well...Minaya never liked OBP anyway.

that's why he didn't put it on the scoreboard


Our long national nightmare has ended.

which nation? us or France?
   52. JoeHova Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:40 PM (#3249493)
I can't figure this out at all. Why would Minaya do this?
   53. Kiko Sakata Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:40 PM (#3249497)
Omar has never heard of OBP.


Ryan Church has a career BA of .273 and is hitting .280 this year. Francoeur is a career .266 hitter who's batting .250 this year and hit .239 last year. It doesn't take advanced sabermetrics to notice that Church is the better hitter.
   54. A Fatty Cow That Need Two Seats Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:40 PM (#3249496)
You couldn't make up a better trade for Primer, could you? Delta Francouer to the Mets! Is Fernando for Juan Pierre far behind??
   55. OrioleJMC Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:40 PM (#3249499)
Maybe they'll flip him to the Royals for Betancourt.
   56. Chris Needham Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:41 PM (#3249502)
Nats fans are happy to loan their official website to Mets fans for a few hours. Luv U Omar.
   57. Who Swished In Your Cornflakes? Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:42 PM (#3249503)
So that basically makes Jeff Francoeur in a Mets uniform THE ABSOLUTE WORST PLAYER IN BASEBALL HISTORY.

He'll eventually be replaced by Hank Aaron XXIV and Turanga Leela.
   58. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:42 PM (#3249504)
Let's see, after Francouer comes to NY, Citifield and the Mets will kill his capacity to hit any HRs, which was probably the only thing that Francoeur can do.

And really, he can't even do that. You'd be surprised by the breadth of things he can't do.


so you're saying he's a (-5) tool guy
   59. BringBackTimTeufel Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:42 PM (#3249505)
I quit. How long until my handle becomes "Send Back Jeff Francoeur"?
   60. Lassus Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:42 PM (#3249506)
I bet Keith Hernandez likes the trade

I'd wonder how much Red Bull and coke Ron Darling has to do before offering up something like a positive take on this trade. He's about the only intelligent person in that booth.
   61. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:42 PM (#3249507)
If Frenchy doesn't get it going and the Mets don't get it going...and it turns out that Frenchy not getting it going is a big part of the Mets not getting it going, you could have yourself one butt-ugly scenario. I'd go from worrying about the guy's career to worrying about his mental well-being. Of course, my nightmare is that he does a Hurricane Hazle, leads the Mets to a ring, and becomes undisputed King of New York (dethroning Christopher Walken).
   62. Raskolnikov Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:42 PM (#3249508)
Omar: "Some believe that he is a gold glove RFer ... We believe with his age, that there is some upside."

How he can say this with a straight face, I don't know.

"Brainstorming in the office yesterday... John Rico - "Hey, what about this?"

I want to run this John Rico out of town. If your front office guys are brainstorming, and the guy you come up with is Jeff Francoeur, then your front office guys are stupid.

"If you look at the number of games he plays, over 150 every year..."

Uh, Omar, is this actually a good thing? If we can use Francouer's body parts to transplant into Reyes/Beltran/Delgado, then yes, this may be useful.
   63. Banta Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:43 PM (#3249510)
What's even better is that Church had been playing center lately for the Mets. This now means that Jeremy Reed will be starting more often than not, Evans will see less playing time, and of course, Francoeur.
   64. Old Matt Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:43 PM (#3249511)
It gets better!

Says Bart Hubbach: The #Mets also sent cash to the #Braves in the Ryan Church-Jeff Francoeur trade.
   65. Swedish Chef Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:45 PM (#3249512)
Why would Minaya do this?

Friday afternoon at the office, they're relaxing with a couple of drinks when someone gets an idea: "Let's make crank calls to the other front offices". And then one thing led to another.
   66. ?Donde esta Dagoberto Campaneris? Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:45 PM (#3249513)
The only thing better than this deal will be this deal in the month of August if Church rebounds with a dozen homers and the Braves blow past the Mets.

If anyone ever wondered why the old adage about not trading in your division exists, this is why- there's too much risk your GM will #### up spectacularly and it will come right back and bite you. That said, these things often work themselves out- maybe Frenchy provides David Wright the secret tip that restores Wrght's homerun swing.
   67. Old Matt Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:45 PM (#3249514)
"We like Ryan Church a lot," Minaya said. "But right now we just wanted to change it up a little bit. Unfortunately for him (Church), he got hurt. When he got hurt, he was having a pretty good year. ... We thought we just needed something different. It had nothing to do with not liking Ryan. ... One thing we like about Francoeur is the amount of games that he plays."

This is sad. Very sad.
   68. Lassus Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:45 PM (#3249515)
Also, Sam, you may want to call Dial. I fear for his ability to thwart off a heart attack or stroke in the wake of this news.
   69. Who Swished In Your Cornflakes? Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:46 PM (#3249516)
Frenchy's gone, a better OF comes in, and the Braves get cash? Frank Wren has to be deliriously happy tonight.
   70. Rickey! No. You move. Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:46 PM (#3249517)
@63

If that's the case, I suspect the discussion went something like this:

John Rico to Mets staff: "Hey, what about this?"

Minyana to Frank Wren: "What about Francoeur for...

Wren: "DONE!"

Minyana: "..Church."
   71. Banta Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:47 PM (#3249518)
Says Bart Hubbach: The #Mets also sent cash to the #Braves in the Ryan Church-Jeff Francoeur trade.

See, once again, yes, Church isn't Kazmir, but holy ####, the level of stupidity to do something like this. It's unholy.

As Lassus notes, at least it is funny.
   72. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:47 PM (#3249519)
... One thing we like about Francoeur is the amount of games that he plays."

That's the thing about Frenchy, he doesn't just suck, he sucks in tremendous volume. He never misses a day of sucking. He's the Costco of suck.
   73. RJ in TO Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:49 PM (#3249524)
I no longer care if the Jays trade Halladay, because the thought of Mets fans having to deal with Frenchy will keep me smiling for years.
   74. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:50 PM (#3249525)
Well, it is true that Fracouer will be entering his peak.
   75. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:50 PM (#3249526)
I hope to god Andy MacPhail is on the phone right now offering Felix Pie for Reyes.
   76. Lassus Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:51 PM (#3249530)
Where the hell are the Braves in relation to the Mets, location-wise? I want to see that handsome devil in our uniform TONIGHT. I want to see him swinging away TONIGHT. PH in the ninth!
   77. Lassus Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:51 PM (#3249532)
Double-post. But I can fix that, there's no shortage of material.

Maybe we could trade Frenchie for Milledge?
   78. Raskolnikov Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:52 PM (#3249534)
I now know what it must feel like when someone finds out they have herpes.
   79. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:53 PM (#3249537)
Maybe Jeff dons his Mabry suit and holds the Mets together until guys get healthy.

6 weeks of .355/.375/.555 and Omar is a genius.
   80. CraigK Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:53 PM (#3249538)
I hope Sam M. doesn't teach summer classes.

Otherwise, a whole bunch of law students just heard their teacher randomly spout a long string of expletives.
   81. Banta Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:53 PM (#3249539)
It's also funny how I suddenly don't hate Omir Santos as much.
   82. RJ in TO Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:53 PM (#3249540)
I now know what it must feel like when someone finds out they have herpes.


No. Now you know what it must feel like when someone finds out they have herpes from a national news broadcast, while sitting on the couch next to their mom.
   83. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:54 PM (#3249541)
I now know what it must feel like when someone finds out they have herpes.

Then you obviously never had to deal with herpes. It's definitely not as funny as this trade.
   84. Rickey! No. You move. Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:54 PM (#3249542)
Just got off the phone with Honeycutt. Church is a fungible platoon partner for Matt Diaz at the very least. Frank Wren is a genius. In the offseason he rebuilt a tattered starting rotation from scratch. He acquired Javy Vasquez and Jair Jurrjens for an A-ball catching prospect (Tyler Flowers) and Edgar Renteria's contract. In the course of half a season he's triaged the Braves most fundamental problems by getting Nate McLouth and getting rid of Francoeur. Ryan Church may not be better than average, but when you're in field with a gaping chest wound you don't complain about being wrapped in plastic wrap as long as the bleeding stops long enough to get you to a doctor.
   85. Tripon Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:54 PM (#3249543)
So where does Sheffield play? Left field?
   86. Who Swished In Your Cornflakes? Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:55 PM (#3249545)
Found a Francoeur Delta blog from '08. Love the picture.

http://blog.delta.com/2008/05/21/its-nice-to-be-home/
   87. Banta Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:56 PM (#3249547)
This ######' bullshit kept me from taking a nap too. God damn you, Minaya.
   88. Old Matt Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:57 PM (#3249548)
OK, OK, Hubbach corrects:

Sorry, there was confusion here based on Omar Minaya's garbled comment. Cash is coming to the #Mets in the deal.
   89. Jeff K. Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:57 PM (#3249549)
One thing we like about Francoeur is the amount of games that he plays."

"He likes a lot of them. His teammates say that they can't count how many times they have caught Jeff playing "Guess Who?" or "Hungry Hungry Hippos" on the floor of the clubhouse. He also like games that he makes up in his head and where the only player is himself. With this amount of games being played, Jeff is without a doubt a positive value for this organization."
   90. with Glavinesque control and Madduxian poise Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:57 PM (#3249550)
Harveys, I honestly do not think Francoeur will put up numbers like that over three weeks in the time the Mets have him under control (the next three years). The Francoeur that plays now is not the same toolsy guy who came up and hit crazily for a couple months. Present Francoeur has lost something physically. He just does not have the power anymore. That early Francoeur would swing at everything, but a fastball in his wheelhouse got dumped in the left-field seats almost always. Now, he swings and misses at fastballs down the middle, and even when he seems to make good contact, it's to the warning track at best.

Francoeur has upside the way Dye had upside when we ditched him. He might make a late-career resurgence, but to be honest, he also might not be in MLB long enough to get there.
   91. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:58 PM (#3249552)
YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!


OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!!!

My <strike>weekend</strike> year has been made! Drinks are on me tonight, boys!
   92. Jeff K. Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:58 PM (#3249553)
Then you obviously never had to deal with herpes. It's definitely not as funny as this trade.

It is when a Mets fan gets it, which is approximately every 20 seconds.
   93. HGH Positive Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:59 PM (#3249554)
This is the first trade that I've had to go to another site to confirm in order to believe it.

I thought Amazin' Avenue was playing a sick, sick joke on its readers. Instead it was Minaya on Mets fans.
   94. Banta Posted: July 10, 2009 at 10:59 PM (#3249555)
Oh, nevermind about what I said about Reed playing center. ANGEL PAGAN IS BACK! JOY JOY JOY!

And Pagan is also a better player than Francoeur. Holy ####.
   95. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: July 10, 2009 at 11:00 PM (#3249558)
SO... PISSED... OFF... RIGHT... NOW...
   96. Jeff K. Posted: July 10, 2009 at 11:01 PM (#3249560)
Oh, and two things to note for real:

1) Ryan Church has gotten some of the worst luck with regards to being accidentally snubbed or whatever you want to call it as any major leaguer I can think of.

2) For everyone, and I'll even admit this included me even if I didn't post anything, that ridiculed the notion brought up hither and yon a few weeks ago that the Braves should hold on to Frenchy to trade him for something, the people who said those things now have their response.
   97. A Fatty Cow That Need Two Seats Posted: July 10, 2009 at 11:02 PM (#3249562)
Soak it in, friends

A .653 OPS in 650+ plate appearances last year.
   98. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 10, 2009 at 11:02 PM (#3249563)
NM:

I was trying to be positive for our pained Mets brethren
   99. Who Swished In Your Cornflakes? Posted: July 10, 2009 at 11:03 PM (#3249567)
How is the AJC going to spin this?
   100. Raskolnikov Posted: July 10, 2009 at 11:03 PM (#3249570)
At least Omar didn't trade Fernando for Francoeur. That would have been too cruel.

Tripon: Yeah, Sheff usually plays left. Church is the regular RFer when Beltran is healthy.
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