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Tuesday, September 26, 2017

Molina undergoing MLB concussion protocol

Molina took the first shot directly off his mask and fell over frontwards onto his knees. He was soon back to his feet as Matheny and trainer Chris Conroy came from the dugout.

“That first one obviously gave us some concern,” said Mike Matheny. “Went out and saw him, the medical team was okay. He was ready to go, he just needed a second.”

“We’ve been through that conversation many, many times. He was fine. Trainer kind of put him through a couple of things and everything was okay.”

Molina stayed in the game, but the very next pitch was almost a repeat of the same play as the foul ball again struck Molina’s head. As Yadi reeled and even became sick, Matheny was already on his way out of the dugout to make the change with Carson Kelly coming in to replace Molina behind the plate.

Scary, and terrible luck.  I hope he’s alright.

Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: September 26, 2017 at 10:50 AM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: cardinals, concussions, yadier molina

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   1. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: September 26, 2017 at 02:00 PM (#5539320)
What is the MLB protocol? Hopefully it's better than the one in the NFL and NHL.
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 26, 2017 at 02:13 PM (#5539339)
“We’ve been through that conversation many, many times. He was fine. Trainer kind of put him through a couple of things and everything was okay.”

Is it just me, or does this sound like a bit of a flippant approach, even to the first shot to the head? "Eh, he's been beaned a million times. We just went out and kicked the tires a little. He was fine."
   3. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: September 26, 2017 at 02:18 PM (#5539349)
Absolutely. Watching it sure seemed like the first one got him pretty good; he didn't shake it off quickly at all, and it was curious he was left in after the brief conversation.
   4. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: September 26, 2017 at 02:29 PM (#5539366)
That second shot Molina took was just awful; he just looked like his reflexes were completely zapped, and he took a direct hit. Lord knows I dislike the Cardinals intensely, and Molina has long been a bete noire, and yet I still blurted out "My god, get that poor guy off the field!" almost reflexively when he got hit again. It was sickening. Here's hoping he takes all the time he needs to recover; I once came back to work a day earlier than I should have four days after being concussed, and I work a desk job. Concussions are no joke.
   5. dejarouehg Posted: September 26, 2017 at 02:39 PM (#5539375)
I thought he was going to throw up walking to the dugout. I hope they shut him down for the season, regardless of limited playoff chances. (They aren't eliminated from 2nd WC? are they?)

Matheny, more than most, should be over-protective.
   6. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: September 26, 2017 at 02:42 PM (#5539377)
I thought he was going to throw up walking to the dugout. I hope they shut him down for the season, regardless of limited playoff chances. (They aren't eliminated from 2nd WC? are they?)

They're not. They're 2.5 games behind the Rockies for the second WC, a game behind the Brewers (who they finish the season against).

Matheny, more than most, should be over-protective.

Yeah. Len and JD on the Cubs' broadcast were commenting that Matheny said he had an 18-month period of his life where he doesn't remember much, because he was so affected by concussions.
   7. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: September 26, 2017 at 02:47 PM (#5539380)
I think he did throw up, at least some tweets said as much even though I couldn't tell.
   8. Walt Davis Posted: September 26, 2017 at 06:30 PM (#5539532)
Get well soon Yadi.

The excerpt itself says "became sick" which I take as polite journalism for "vomited."

And yes, it sounds like that concussion protocol is not that effective at diagnosis. I'll cue Matheny a bit of slack in his phrasing though. Catchers (and umps) get foul balls in the mask on a pretty regular basis and clearly 99% (or whatever) of the time it's no more than "how ya doing?" "Fine" or "I'll be OK in a couple of seconds" and they are (within the confines of micro-concussions, etc.)

A good protocol might remove the C any time this happens but with the right to put him back in after a full evaluation and clearance by the team doctor (or better an independent doctor but that's not going to happen). Perhaps even allow a 26th roster spot that can only be used for an emergency C. For umps, there's no smooth way to make a quick substitution but there's also no harm in making the substitution for the rest of the game. (HP gets one in the mask, comes out, other ump puts on the gear and takes over at HP, if original HP gets cleared, he can come back as a base ump.)
   9. dejarouehg Posted: September 26, 2017 at 07:04 PM (#5539541)
I'm concerned that these dings are adding up. The obvious response is that the game's been going on forever and there are minimal signs that CTE is a significant issue among catchers and home plate umps. But the increase in velocity elevates the level of concern to me.

Perhaps even allow a 26th roster spot that can only be used for an emergency C.
Good idea.

For umps, there's no smooth way to make a quick substitution but there's also no harm in making the substitution for the rest of the game. (HP gets one in the mask, comes out, other ump puts on the gear and takes over at HP, if original HP gets cleared, he can come back as a base ump.)
Takes too long. There should be a 5th ump at every game ready to go behind the plate immediately. This would be less than the cost of an addition minimum pay player for each team.
   10. The Duke Posted: September 26, 2017 at 08:42 PM (#5539588)
I don't know. Five umpires lead to six umpires and so on. Then you have specialist umpires who only get brought in when there may be a double play call at second base and then the dreaded decision where they leave a rookie umpire in for a close play in the 6th, he blows it and then they yank him in the 7th when he is tiring proving that they should have pinch-umped in the 6th.

And the long visits to the plate in the late innings when the home plate ump is past his pitch limit but he won't come out for a relief ump.

I say go to three and then to two. If you have to, turn the game over to the players and use instant replay to arbitrate.
   11. cardsfanboy Posted: September 26, 2017 at 08:46 PM (#5539593)
What is the MLB protocol? Hopefully it's better than the one in the NFL and NHL.


I have to assume so. I'm probably going to mess this explanation up, but mlb does a series of tests during the off season with the players, (they take a computerized test to establish a baseline for the player, and any time they think there might be an issue the test is re-given and they compare the results to see if there is any loss of whatever.) If the loss is a certain level, they are on concussion protocol, which is effectively the dl until they can pass the test.

I swore up and down that Yadier received an undiagnosed concussion last year and it affected his play for several weeks. (Cardinal announcers also thought that a few days after but then they stopped talking about it even though he hadn't improved at the plate or behind the plate. )
   12. Walt Davis Posted: September 27, 2017 at 06:22 PM (#5540441)
Has anybody looked for CTE in catchers and umps? No obvious trend of early deaths that springs to mind. I don't recall any catcher suicides or widespread cases of depression, etc. that seem to afflict NFL players with CTE. Something like Carlton Fisk's rather extreme DUI, Leyritz's DUI manslaughter charge and I'm sure there are a few other incidents could be CTE-related dpressive symptoms ... or could just be standard drinking problems.

I'm not sure anybody here but Andy is old enough to remember (and maybe not even him!), but did catchers get hit in the mask as often when they had a more upright crouch?
   13. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 27, 2017 at 06:29 PM (#5540445)
Perhaps even allow a 26th roster spot that can only be used for an emergency C.


That's not really practical. You're going to have a guy sit on the bench all season long so he can get into two or three games?
   14. cardsfanboy Posted: September 27, 2017 at 06:41 PM (#5540451)
That's not really practical. You're going to have a guy sit on the bench all season long so he can get into two or three games?


Most teams have a used up major league/aaa catcher as the bullpen warm-up guy, that guy would be the emergency catcher. A guy who is fine being out of baseball as a player, but still playing enough, and familiar enough with the team that he wouldn't be a high injury risk or embarrassment that it would take to make a bench player the catcher.
   15. Sunday silence Posted: September 27, 2017 at 07:10 PM (#5540461)
its not a bad idea at all. I hate when they cant use a pinch hitter cause they only have a C left on the bench or other situations where they cant use the last guy. Im all for getting more position players into the game, its too many relief pitchers that's bad.
   16. Swedish Chef Posted: September 28, 2017 at 03:33 AM (#5540733)
That's not really practical. You're going to have a guy sit on the bench all season long so he can get into two or three games?

Soccer teams almost always waste a spot on the bench for an extra goalkeeper that only will play if the starting one gets a red or is injured.

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