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MONEYBALL~ Oscar Nominations 2012: Academy Award Nominees List ~ MONEYBALL

This year’s Oscar nominations have been announced, with The Artist overcoming critical backlash in recent weeks to lead the nods in the big ten awards.

The silent film has scooped five nominations in the main categories, including a nod for Best Picture. Its fiercest Oscar competitors are Brad Pitt’s Moneyball, The Descendants and The Help which all racked up four.

However, Martin Scorses’s 3D film Hugo got the most nods overall with 11, including all the technical categories. The Artist scored nine nominations in total.

Best Picture

“The Artist”
“The Descendants”
“Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close”
“Hugo”
“Midnight in Paris”
“The Help”
“Moneyball”
“War Horse”
“The Tree of Life”

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   1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 24, 2012 at 10:52 AM (#4044020)
How the hell did Dolphin Tale get overlooked? IT HAD A FREAKIN DOLPHIN THAT WAS MISSING A TAIL!!!!
   2. OsunaSakata Posted: January 24, 2012 at 11:08 AM (#4044044)
Moneyball got two sound nominations. So all those voiceovers of Joe Morgan and Bob Costas were a big deal.
   3. PreservedFish Posted: January 24, 2012 at 11:19 AM (#4044055)
In anticipation of the millionth repeat of the standard Moneyball thread, in which people snarkly point out all of the flaws of the film, I am reposting my comment from a few months ago:

I did not get really excited about this movie until I was actually in my seat at the theater. Like many of us, I was all snarky when I first heard about it. I mocked the concept and expected a flop. But actually seeing this thing on the theater made me exuberant. I have been a member of the statdork community for 10+ years now, and was a James reader before that, when I was a little kid. And this is a Hollywood movie, a good Hollywood movie, with Brad ####### Pitt as Billy Beane, that mentions Bill James every 30 minutes, that makes a slogan of the phrase "he gets on base," THAT REENACTS THE ####### JOHN F MABRY TRADE!

I might be one of just a few thousand (or less?) people that ascribed legendary status to the events of this film long before the book was released. But if you're a member of this community, you might be too. So just go and enjoy this thing. It's not every day that Brad Pitt makes a movie about a phenomenon that you passionately followed long before the mainstream was even aware of it.
   4. Jon W Posted: January 24, 2012 at 11:31 AM (#4044065)
For the better part of two years (here and here, for example) I made the case, in the face of a huge number of people that couldn't imagine a Moneyball movie, let alone a worthwhile one, that there was a lot of reason to have faith in the project. It was so ironic how people came to a snap judgment about it based on appearances, when the point of Moneyball is not to make snap judgments based on appearances.

So, I feel like this is my award. :)
   5. ajnrules Posted: January 24, 2012 at 11:36 AM (#4044071)
Brad Pitt and Jonah Hill both picked up acting nominations for Moneyball. Never thought that the Academy would nominate Jonah Hill before Jim Carrey considering Carrey's strong works in the late 1990s. (the Truman Show and Man on the Moon, not to mention Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind in 2004.)
   6. Chicago Joe Posted: January 24, 2012 at 11:41 AM (#4044078)
Not to hijack, but I feel like this is the weakest best picture field I can remember. Admittedly, I've only been really following it since meeting my (now) wife, but The Help? War Horse? The other thing that interests me is how few of these films seem to have had any sort of wide release.
   7. Jon W Posted: January 24, 2012 at 11:41 AM (#4044079)
Totally agree about Truman Show.
   8. Crispix Attacks Posted: January 24, 2012 at 11:41 AM (#4044081)
What?!?!? Movie Y?!?!? Where's Movie X?!?!? The BBWAA are a bunch of 80-year-old idiots.
   9. chris h. is a member of Team Keefe! Posted: January 24, 2012 at 11:44 AM (#4044084)
I pretty much agree with #3. The movie surprised me with how much I enjoyed it. I was ESPECIALLY surprised with Jonah Hill; I had previously associated him with stupid comedies and the like, but the interaction between Pitt and Hill was amazing. The "he gets on base" scene was classic Pitt, and the big with Washington at Hatteberg's house made me burst out laughing.

Yes, I know, it's not perfect. It makes too much drama out of the streak, which (from a pure saber perspective) wasn't meaningful. Maybe a bit too much truck driving. But...goddammit, it's a movie about Billy Bean! Bill James! All of that stuff! And it was very, very entertaining IMO.

My guess is it won't win any of the big awards, but if it did I'd be pleased as punch.
   10. SugarBear Blanks Posted: January 24, 2012 at 11:48 AM (#4044090)
Moneyball might be perfectly fine, but there's no way a movie about a GM and baseball players, based on a non-fiction book, can be as good as the best films of 2011.
   11. JJ1986 Posted: January 24, 2012 at 11:51 AM (#4044092)
Not to hijack, but I feel like this is the weakest best picture field I can remember. Admittedly, I've only been really following it since meeting my (now) wife, but The Help? War Horse? The other thing that interests me is how few of these films seem to have had any sort of wide release.


You can only really compare the top 5 to other years, though.

Moneyball is the best of these that I've seen, but I haven't seen Tree of Life or The Artist and those are supposed to be the best.
   12. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 24, 2012 at 11:52 AM (#4044095)
Even if you trimmed this list to five, this is one of the weakest fields I can remember, at least since "Shakespeare in Love" won. Think about that. "Shakespeare in Love" won Best Picture once.
   13. PreservedFish Posted: January 24, 2012 at 11:54 AM (#4044099)
It doesn't really seem like a movie that should win Best Picture to me either. It reminds me of Up in the Air, or Frost/Nixon solid movies that don't seem to have the scope or ambition or quality that a Best Picture winner really should have.
   14. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 24, 2012 at 11:55 AM (#4044100)
War Horse is better on stage but still a fine movie

I understand if folks don't think it's worthy of Best Picture but if people are going to state it's a poor movie or a dumb story or some such that is a reflection of the person versus the story. Because War Horse is a well known children's story and been a resounding success on stage. And rightly so.
   15. JJ1986 Posted: January 24, 2012 at 11:56 AM (#4044102)
Think about that. "Shakespeare in Love" won Best Picture once.


I think Slumdog Millionaire is even worse.
   16. SugarBear Blanks Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:00 PM (#4044105)
Nothing for Take Shelter (Michael Shannon, at least), nothing for Melancholia (Kirsten Dunst, at least), nothing for Drive (Albert Brooks, at least).

Absurd.

The Oscars are what they are. And that isn't much.
   17. Crispix Attacks Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:08 PM (#4044111)
"Absurd" if you've never noticed the way the Oscars work before.

Absurd! Why is Bill Dahlen not in the Hall of Fame yet? What are these people smoking?
   18. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:17 PM (#4044120)
I've been waiting years for both of them, so Tree of Life and Moneyball are quite literally two of the most-anticipated films of my life (anticipated by me, anyway). I'm pleased with this, even if the rest of the field is weak. I haven't seen Bridesmaids yet, but its nomination for Best Screenplay is intriguing to me. Comedies are generally ignored.

What surprises me about Moneyball is how much chicks dig it.
   19. Guapo Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:18 PM (#4044122)
Wow- "Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close" got nominated? How did that happen? Not sure I remember a worse reviewed movie get an Oscar nomination. It's currently got a 6.2 rating at IMDB and 48% on the Rotten Tomatoes tomatometer.

Also 46 out of 100 at Metacritic, which is the same rating as "Red Tails"... and lower than "Contraband" with a 52...
   20. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:19 PM (#4044123)
Dock

The female audience in the Wallbanger household all enjoyed Moneyball.
   21. Double-Spin Mechanic Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:21 PM (#4044124)
 10. SugarBear Blanks Posted: January 24, 2012 at 10:48 AM (#4044090)
Moneyball might be perfectly fine, but there's no way a movie about a GM and baseball players OTHER THAN JACK MORRIS, based on a non-fiction book, can be as good as the best films of 2011.


FTFY
   22. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:27 PM (#4044134)
Harveys,

Every woman I know who has seen it has gushed about it. I think they enjoyed it more than I did. What exactly is the appeal? It can't just be Brad Pitt.

That a film based on baseball statistics has garnered such a strong reaction from women is a miracle of sorts.
   23. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:27 PM (#4044135)
There's no excuse for not nominating Michael Shannon for "Take Shelter."
   24. Chicago Joe Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:30 PM (#4044139)
Because War Horse is a well known children's story


Apparently, not that well known-at least not to me. It was a play, as well?
   25. Bad Doctor Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:32 PM (#4044142)
Not to hijack, but I feel like this is the weakest best picture field I can remember.

Is this a result of greater media awareness (and access to it electronically) than in prior days? I get the feeling that nominations for the "The Help"s and "Extremely Loud"s of the world would have been widely considered gimmes 20 or 30 years ago (but maybe I'm just projecting my own experiences outward).

The more I think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if the group of '70s best pictures holds up better today than the 2009-2012 nominations do.

Has "The Artist" been generally panned? I thought it was getting good reviews, and it strikes me as the sort of movie that critics would praise just to appear like they know what they're talking about but would not be entertaining at all to sit through. Anyone seen it?

   26. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:33 PM (#4044144)
Speaking of Michael Shannon, did you guys know he was in Groundhog Day? A very very small role, but had the funniest non-Bill Murray line.
   27. Scott Ham Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:33 PM (#4044145)
It's really a shame that Thor wasn't nominated. There is no proof that Chris Hemsworth took steroids.
   28. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:34 PM (#4044146)
I think comedies get the shaft with award seasons, but Bridesmaids was pretty cute at the beginning and got pretty awful very quickly. If you're going to recognize a comedy this year, it should be 50/50.


Apparently, not that well known-at least not to me. It was a play, as well?


It was/is a very successful play, and more than a few people say that the magic from the theater was not/could not be replicated to the big screen. The horse in the play is an elaborate puppet.


Speaking of Michael Shannon, did you guys know he was in Groundhog Day? A very very small role, but had the funniest non-Bill Murray line.


Holy crap, now that you mention it, I can totally see him in my mind. He's the guy that just got married that Phil gives him and his wife wrestling tickets.

I still haven't seen it, but how did "Girl with a Dragon Tattoo" not get nominated? It seems like the kinda of movie Oscar loves - based on a popular book, great acting performance from a breakthrough star, clever autuer director, fairly popular, but not a blockbuster, and by most accounts that I heard, a good movie. Seems like it could have made a top ten list.
   29. Chicago Joe Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:37 PM (#4044149)
nothing for Drive (Albert Brooks, at least).


This was inexplicable, though I didn't find Albert Brooks to be at all interesting in that role. Should have gotten some sort of nod-maybe Director or Score.
Tree of Life was a pretty underwhelming effort.
   30. ajnrules Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:46 PM (#4044158)
I saw The Artist over the weekend. I actually liked it. The silent filmmaking aspect may seem very gimmicky, but I thought it was well done and wasn't much of a distraction. The storyline was charming and flowed very well. It got great reviews and won much of the critics awards. The backlash seems to come from bloggers who were sick of it winning everything.

And I'll reserve judgment I haven't seen it, but from what I can tell ELIC is the most panned Best picture nominee since The Reader, which was incidentally directed by the same guy: Stephen Daldry. AMPAS loves that guy.

And here's a list of great films from the 1970s that was nominated but didn't win: Five Easy Pieces, M*A*S*H, The Last Picture Show, Cabaret, The Exorcist, Barry Lyndon, Dog Day Afternoon, Jaws, All the President's Men, Network, Taxi Driver, Star Wars, Coming Home, Apocalypse Now. Nomines that didn't age well: The Towering Inferno, Love Story
   31. Melo's Love Handles (NJ) Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:48 PM (#4044160)
I think comedies get the shaft with award seasons, but Bridesmaids was pretty cute at the beginning and got pretty awful very quickly. If you're going to recognize a comedy this year, it should be 50/50.

I don't REALLY think of 50/50, which was the best movie I saw this year, as a comedy. I do think Bridesmaids was phenomenal though. Cried from laughter several times.
   32. OsunaSakata Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:53 PM (#4044165)
There are only two nominees for Best Original Song. I don't know the significance of that.
   33. The cushions are crowded for Edmundo Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:54 PM (#4044168)
Nothing for Take Shelter (Michael Shannon, at least), nothing for Melancholia (Kirsten Dunst, at least), nothing for Drive (Albert Brooks, at least).

Absurd.


Michael Shannon was great in Take Shelter. I loved Brooks** in Drive, such pure evil with a hint of a conscience (maybe).

I loved The Artist. It's a paean to movies, especially silent movies. It went for something completely different, went all in on it and succeeded in a big, big way. It's tied with Midnight in Paris for my fave of the year. MiP was similar in going for something different and it had Marion Cotillard at her most alluring.

Moneyball, Take Shelter, and the Descendants were all close behind. I really wanted to see Melancolia and Hugo but didn't. My film degree son panned Tree of Life so badly to us that we lost interest in seeing it***. I'd be curious if anyone was knocked out about it.


** I confess to a career long love of Albert Brooks.
*** Hey, I want to get something out of the ~$175,000 invested in that kid. Good thing he graduated a semester early!
   34. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:58 PM (#4044173)

I don't REALLY think of 50/50, which was the best movie I saw this year, as a comedy


It was funnier than "My Week with Marilyn"!
   35. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:59 PM (#4044175)
Chicago:

The book won a lot of awards.

Here is a snippet of the theatre recognition:

War Horse transferred to the West End's New London Theatre, beginning performances on 28 March 2009, prior to an official opening on 3 April.[6][7] The original cast featured Kit Harington as Albert, who had also played the role in the South Bank production in 2008.[8][9][10] The production also includes an original score composed by Adrian Sutton, with John Tams as Songmaker.

The production met with critical acclaim for its life-size horse puppets from the Handspring Puppet Company, winning an Olivier Award, Evening Standard Theatre Award and London Critics' Circle Theatre Award.[11] On 12 October 2009 the performance was seen by HM Queen Elizabeth II and her husband Prince Philip, marking their first private theatre visit in four years.[12] War Horse has been popular with audiences, playing to 97% capacity in 2010, subsequently breaking the record for the highest weekly gross for a play in the West End. In December 2010, War Horse was dubbed "the theatrical event of the decade" by The Times.[13] In 2011 it welcomed its millionth audience member.[14]

   36. Chicago Joe Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:00 PM (#4044176)
It was funnier than "My Week with Marilyn"!


The category was comedy/musical.
   37. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:02 PM (#4044178)
On a personal level I have seen the play while it was in New York. I did not blubber like my wife but it was a touching performance
   38. Guapo Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:05 PM (#4044179)
Mentions in critics' year-end top ten lists as compiled by Metacritic:

The Tree of Life- 75
The Artist- 43
The Descendants- 43
Hugo- 40
Moneyball- 35
Midnight in Paris- 17
War Horse- 13
The Help- 7
Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close- 3

There is something VERY strange about Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close getting nominated.

   39. Bitter Mouse Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:09 PM (#4044182)
Even if you trimmed this list to five, this is one of the weakest fields I can remember, at least since "Shakespeare in Love" won. Think about that. "Shakespeare in Love" won Best Picture once.


Hey now I thought that was actually a pretty good movie - certainly it accomplished what it was trying to do. It is not high art, I grant you that. Besides the previous two years are ever so much worse (though you did qualify since). Titanic and the English Patient. Pleh. I mean I thought Titanic was OK, but Best Picture? The English Patient was, as all right thinking people know, an abomination. Just utter crap disguised as a movie.

And yes, Slumdog Millionaire, was fun, but not the best in any meaningful way (except, well, it did win the award and all).
   40. JJ1986 Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:09 PM (#4044183)
There is something VERY strange about Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close getting nominated.


Is it a Weinstein movie?
   41. andrewberg Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:09 PM (#4044184)
War Horse is better on stage but still a fine movie


I mentor an 12 year old kid. I took him to see a movie that had a trailer for War Horse before it. I was watching the trailer, knowing nothing about the book or anything, thinking that it looked like a pretty one dimensional movie, when the kid leans over to me and says "this looks so dumb. It's just about a horse and a war." Right on cue, the voiceover chimes in, "WARHORSE!"

It was one of the funniest moments I have ever experienced.
   42. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:16 PM (#4044190)
The female audience in the Wallbanger household all enjoyed Moneyball.

As did Awesome GF. She doesn't care much about Brad Pitt OR Jonah Hill... if anything, this movie made her a Ron Washington fan.
Me, I was mostly shifting and muttering through the opening scenes (2001 ALDS), but was mostly fine until I yelled at "Jeremy Giambi" for not sliding. Sorry 'bout that.

I enjoyed The Artist. Not a Great Film (Tree of Life is a Great Film), but was very charming & entertaining. I hadn't seen the leads in anything before, and I enjoy the newness of that. I'd definitely like to hear Berenice Bejo give an acceptance speech...




... IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN
   43. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:16 PM (#4044191)
I wonder if members of the academy nominated Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close without watching it. The pedigree screams Oscar bait, and the book was beloved by a great deal of people. It came out late in the year, so perhaps in the rush to nominate, many members just assumed that it was a great movie.

I don't think I'll ever see it, though. Like The Lovely Bones, the book disgusted me so much I have no desire to see the film.
   44. Bob Dernier Cri Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:20 PM (#4044194)
The only Best Picture nominees I've seen are The Help and Hugo. Hugo was better. I know, I know, Moneyball is in my queue, really it is. I just didn't get out to the theatre to see it. Please sue me.

Incidentally, what was wrong with Shakespeare in Love? The film gets all kinds of hate, but I thought it was very clever. Of the films from that year that I saw (I still haven't seen the two big war films that everyone thought were robbed, Private Ryan and Thin Red Line), I do think that Gods & Monsters and Pleasantville were very memorable films. Lock, Stock & 2 Smoking Barrels was that year, and Rushmore, and I liked Out of Sight as well as S in Love, but S in Love was great fun. I confess to liking all those throwaway young-author movies, though: Moliere, Goethe, Becoming Jane ...
   45. Bob Dernier Cri Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:22 PM (#4044196)
Oh, and The Truman Show was in 1998 too. Fine film. Fans of indie-mode Jim Carrey should also see I Love You Philip Morris. That one, as we say in Texas, is a hoot.
   46. Sam M. Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4044200)
First of all, Shakespeare in Love is a terrific movie. Far better than Saving Private Ryan, which supposedly was "robbed" that year.

Second, while I liked Moneyball a lot, I think the only movie from this year that is likely to be regarded as a classic in 25 years is Hugo. In fact, I think it is my favorite Scorsese movie ever. It's the first movie that actually uses 3D in a perfectly integrated way, neither dominating the visual experience nor being superfluous to it. It is thoughtful and interesting, and fun -- and how rare is that combination in a Hollywood movie? I can't think of a single way in which Hugo is not a complete success.

Moneyball, good as it was, necessarily compromised on a lot of things in the translation from book to movie. But that was also a strength, because they did a pretty amazing job of managing those necessary trade-offs and still capturing the essence of the story and the conflicts that made it compelling.
   47. Chicago Joe Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:30 PM (#4044205)
The pedigree screams Oscar bait


You ain't kiddin'-Tom Hanks, Sandra Bullock and 9/11? That's a trifecta!
   48. Chicago Joe Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:32 PM (#4044207)
Harvey's - thanks for the info.

FWIW-the two biggest snubs via Metacritic's top-ten aggregator were Drive and Melancholia.

   49. Perry Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:34 PM (#4044213)
Has "The Artist" been generally panned? I thought it was getting good reviews, and it strikes me as the sort of movie that critics would praise just to appear like they know what they're talking about but would not be entertaining at all to sit through. Anyone seen it?


I loved it, would see it again in a heartbeat.

I also loved Moneyball, Hugo, and Tree of Life. Liked The Descendents and Midnight in Paris pretty well. Haven't seen the rest. Sorry I missed Take Shelter, wanted to see it but it wasn't here that long and I didn't get to it.
   50. Perry Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:38 PM (#4044221)
Speaking of Michael Shannon, did you guys know he was in Groundhog Day? A very very small role, but had the funniest non-Bill Murray line.


Was he "That about sums it up for me"?
   51. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:45 PM (#4044228)
Was he "That about sums it up for me"?


No, he was "WRESTLEMANIA!!!!!!!"
   52. Perry Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:47 PM (#4044231)
I enjoyed The Artist. Not a Great Film (Tree of Life is a Great Film), but was very charming & entertaining. I hadn't seen the leads in anything before, and I enjoy the newness of that. I'd definitely like to hear Berenice Bejo give an acceptance speech...


Don't remember the male lead's name, but apparently he's quite popular in France (cue Jerry Lewis jokes) and doesn't speak much English. He was the star in OSS 117: Nest of Spies, a Bond spoof set in the 60s that was pretty funny. I believe Bejo was in it too -- she's from Argentina, so I'm not sure if you'll get an acceptance speech, not in English anyway.
   53. Alex meets the threshold for granular review Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:58 PM (#4044243)
Sam: If The Tree of Life isn’t considered a classic down the road, I’ll eat my hat. Regardless of your opinions on it (and, Edmundo, FWIW, this college-aged film snob adored it – it’s neck-and-neck with Drive for my favorite of the year), it’s the career-defining film of just about the biggest name in arthouse film, who has an incomparably dedicated following. It’s also very ambitious, which is an asset for being remembered down the road.

Also, I loved Hugo, but as (likely) the resident Scorsese fanboy, dude: this guy made GoodFellas. The most exciting, possibly funniest, and overall best movie of the 1990s. Though, obviously these two films are miles apart. But Hugo, great as it was, wouldn’t crack my top five, maybe top ten, Scorseses. Let’s see: GoodFellas, Raging Bull, Taxi Driver, The Departed, The Last Temptation of Christ, The Last Waltz, Mean Streets, After Hours, Casino…Hugo might be the tenth, actually, depending on how I feel about The Age of Innocence, which I really need to revisit. (That one and Casino have a bit of a critical cult, with some critics like David Ehrenstein championing them as Scorsese’s two best films, which I find really interesting.)
   54. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: January 24, 2012 at 02:01 PM (#4044246)
I think down the road there will be a very vocal passionate group that will claim Tree of Life is the greatest film ever made.
   55. Bitter Mouse Posted: January 24, 2012 at 02:02 PM (#4044251)
The Truman Show was in 1998 too. Fine film.


This. It is a really great modern fable and should be seen as such. 1998 was a good year for film.
   56. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 24, 2012 at 02:08 PM (#4044255)
Horse War > War Horse. Make it so Michael Bay.
   57. The cushions are crowded for Edmundo Posted: January 24, 2012 at 02:09 PM (#4044258)
Alex/Doc, would Tree of Life lose something on the small screen, especially non-HD? My son can get a burr up his a$$ sometimes (gee, where could that come from?)
   58. chris h. is a member of Team Keefe! Posted: January 24, 2012 at 02:10 PM (#4044260)
I *love* Casino. I'd definitely put it ahead of several in your list. I might go Goodfellas, Taxi Driver, Casino, Raging Bull...etc.
   59. andrewberg Posted: January 24, 2012 at 02:10 PM (#4044262)
Haven't seen The Artist or Hugo yet, but I thought Melancholia was worthy of being "best picture," and Midnight in Paris and Moneyball were both really good movies that will hold up and be fun to rewatch in a decade. Those were my three favorites.

Melancholia probably requires too much analysis after conclusion to attract a lot of eyeballs. I would estimate that 1/2 or more of all people walking out of that movie have no idea what happened. While watching it, I wasn't as worried about the plot and just appreciated the wonderful acting and direction. Later, I settled on my version of the plot that made sense to me (ver minor spoiler- that Dunst's character knew all along and was going through a sort of acceptance process), and that made me appreciate the movie even more.
   60. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: January 24, 2012 at 02:13 PM (#4044265)
The great news for me is that for the second time in two years, a French Canadian film is nominated for best foreign language film. This year's Monsieur Lazhar is cute but I don't think it's going to win. Last year's Incendies was phenomenal and didn't win. If you add to these two Les invasions barbares, which won in 2004, you have an interesting pedigree for a small society of 6M people living in an ocean of 300M English speakers.
   61. Guapo Posted: January 24, 2012 at 02:26 PM (#4044289)
Hugo is the only one of these nominees I've seen. We got "Tree of Life" on Netflix- after an hour my wife demanded that we turn it off. I would have waited it out through the end, but it wasn't worth fighting over.

I liked Hugo a lot- I thought it was outstanding, particularly if you love films, and Scorsese's passion for film history and preservation was so obviously reflected on screen that it was endearing. My biggest issue with it was structural. The movie starts out like a kid's movie- resourceful urchin lives in the train station, survives on his wits, etc., complete with all the quirky characters whose lives are centered on the train station. Somewhere in the middle, it becomes a much more "adult" movie, and the focus really switches to the history (prehistory really) of cinema. It's not really a complaint about the movie- but it was odd, and I think it explains why the film has had so much difficulty finding an audience.
   62. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: January 24, 2012 at 02:27 PM (#4044291)
Alex/Doc, would Tree of Life lose something on the small screen, especially non-HD?

I would think so, yes. The cinematography is downright majestic. Sometimes seeing a Terrence Malick film is like watching someone else's dream.

Then again, the first time I saw Days of Heaven was on a 10" television and I was knocked out visually just the same.
   63. Alex meets the threshold for granular review Posted: January 24, 2012 at 02:27 PM (#4044295)
Edmundo: I’m enough of a snob to say that any movie loses something on the small screen – and The Tree of Life probably more than most, given its theological/universal aspirations, especially during one early sequence depicting the creation of the universe – but not enough of one to suggest that, like, you haven’t even seen the movie if you haven’t seen it on the big screen or something. And The Tree of Life is still jaw-droppingly beautiful on blu-ray with a decent-sized HDTV. I saw it twice in theaters and have already watched my blu-ray once, and this thread has me itching to give it another go.

chris h.: I was relatively lukewarm on Casino the first time (though, as it was Scorsese, I still greatly enjoyed it), but I revisited it recently and it really shot up for me. It suffers in comparison to GoodFellas, but that’s such an unfair standard that nobody but FFC could hope to meet it, and it’s distinct enough to view on its own. I’m partial to GoodFellas for a few reasons – namely, that Henry Hill is a more empathetic and relatable character than anybody in Casino, as the relative rags-to-riches outsider of the group (and damn, that narration is amazing) – but if GoodFellas is a very black comedy, Casino is absolutely outrageous mobster soap opera, tongue firmly in-cheek. Both are exhilarating to watch, but for subtly different reasons. And James Woods is always a plus.

If The Tree of Life and Hugo will be classics down the road, Drive is destined to be a cult classic. Spartan, highly-stylized and hip, and very violent, crime drama, with a killer electro-pop soundtrack and Albert Brooks, Bryan Cranston, Ron Perlman and Christina Hendricks in indelible supporting roles? That’s a formula for midnight-movie greatness right there. (As an aside, based on Breaking Bad alone, if there’s a better actor alive right now than Cranston, I haven’t come across him. They should come up with some exception to get him a Best Actor award, because jeez.)
   64. Shredder Posted: January 24, 2012 at 02:34 PM (#4044303)
I think in order to really stay true to the true message of Moneyball, the film needs to lose.
   65. andrewberg Posted: January 24, 2012 at 02:34 PM (#4044304)
I was relatively lukewarm on Casino the first time (though, as it was Scorsese, I still greatly enjoyed it), but I revisited it recently and it really shot up for me. It suffers in comparison to GoodFellas, but that’s such an unfair standard that nobody but FFC could hope to meet it, and it’s distinct enough to view on its own. I’m partial to GoodFellas for a few reasons – namely, that Henry Hill is a more empathetic and relatable character than anybody in Casino, as the relative rags-to-riches outsider of the group (and damn, that narration is amazing) – but if GoodFellas is a very black comedy, Casino is absolutely outrageous mobster soap opera, tongue firmly in-cheek. Both are exhilarating to watch, but for subtly different reasons. And James Woods is always a plus.


Well said. I have always maintained that Casino would have a much greater reputation if Goodfellas didn't exist. I even like Deniro's Rothstein character a lot because I have a pet interest in mob history and have read a couple of books about the real life character, and he does a good job making him reasonably sympathetic.

The voiceover stuff from GF is also true. I can't hear the piano part of Layla without those lines automatically going through my head. Indelible.
   66. andrewberg Posted: January 24, 2012 at 02:46 PM (#4044322)
I think in order to really complete the true message of Moneyball, the film needs to lose.


All of the buzz would have to be about bit players- say Royce Clayton, Brent Jennings, and Chad Pratt, while ignoring the three most important contributors- Pitt, Hill, Sorkin. Then it would have to have a marvelous regular season, maybe even winning a Golden Globe or SAG award, before coming up totally empty at the Oscars.
   67. billyshears Posted: January 24, 2012 at 02:49 PM (#4044329)
A few points:

1) Can somebody who enjoyed the Tree of Life please explain to me why it was good (seriously - I'm not trying to be an ass), because it was the most painful movie-going experience of my life. There probably wasn't 30 seconds of continuous dialogue in any scene in the entire movie (and the movie was over two hours). I understand that Malick is basically beyond reproach and the movie was visually appealing, but the whole project strikes me as both pretentious and lazy. I think the movie would have you believe it was telling a compelling story, when in actuality it said very little at all. But then again, I like words, and I feel that movies have to earn the emotions they would have you believe their characters are experiencing (see also, why I believe the last scene in Lost in Translation was a cop out).

2) My wife convinced me to watch The Help with her. For some reason, I got it into my head that it was based on a true story. Upon learning that it was not about 3/4 into the film, I came to feel that the movie was nearly unforgivably self-congratulatory and borderline shameful.

3) I enjoyed Midnight in Paris and The Descendants very much.

4) I will not watch Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close because I am too close to 9/11 and because I read about 60 pages of Everything is Illuminated and decided that Jonathan Safran Foer was the most self-indulgent writer imaginable. This may not have been a fair sample size on which to base so extreme of a judgment.
   68. ?Donde esta Dagoberto Campaneris? Posted: January 24, 2012 at 02:52 PM (#4044335)
I’m partial to GoodFellas for a few reasons – namely, that Henry Hill is a more empathetic and relatable character than anybody in Casino, as the relative rags-to-riches outsider of the group (and damn, that narration is amazing) – but if GoodFellas is a very black comedy, Casino is absolutely outrageous mobster soap opera, tongue firmly in-cheek.

The most important character in Casino isn't an individual- and especially not a really interesting one like Henry Hill- it's a city. A city we really only see through its impact on the other characters.

Good to see Casino getting some love. I definitely agree that its "connection" to GoodFellas colored its perception to a large degree. Hopefully, as time goes by, the two don't get tied together quite as much.
   69. Dale Sams Posted: January 24, 2012 at 02:59 PM (#4044351)
Casino


LQ Jones, Joe Bob Briggs and Dick Smothers???? Can't go wrong.
   70. The Gurus DO NOT BourbonSamurai Posted: January 24, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4044359)
Even if you trimmed this list to five, this is one of the weakest fields I can remember, at least since "Shakespeare in Love" won. Think about that. "Shakespeare in Love" won Best Picture once.


yeah, cuz it was awesome. Shakespeare in Love would win this year pretty handily.

Of the films I've seen, Moneyball is the best by a nose. The Artist and The Descendants were both solid, but not great. I am surprised at no nods for Dragon Tattoo or Melancholia, which while not perfect were extremely interesting films.

I am looking forward to Tree of Life, and not looking forward to Extremely Indulgent and Incredibly Manipulative, but maybe it will surprise me.
   71. mulkowsky Posted: January 24, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4044362)
#68. I didn't love Tree of Life, but I did really enjoy it. What didn't work for me was the way the three "stories" (Sean Penn as a kid, Sean Penn wandering around as an adult, and the crazy 2001-esque sequences) didn't really come together and make a whole for me. What I did like was the incredibly evocative depiction of a childhood and of what it feels like being a kid, the great performances (excepting Penn) and the stunning visuals throughout.
   72. Bitter Calculus Instructor Posted: January 24, 2012 at 03:09 PM (#4044364)
I was mostly shifting and muttering through the opening scenes (2001 ALDS), but was mostly fine until I yelled at "Jeremy Giambi" for not sliding.


But the Jeter flip/ Giambi non-slide wasn't in the opening scene. I remember sitting through that, expecting the flip/non-slide and was disappointed when I realized it never came.
   73. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 24, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4044366)
The pedigree screams Oscar bait


You ain't kiddin'-Tom Hanks, Sandra Bullock and 9/11? That's a trifecta!


Don't forget "precocious kid who teaches us about life" and "supporting role by a great actor we've long forgotten about" (Max von Sydow)


LQ Jones, Joe Bob Briggs and Dick Smothers???? Can't go wrong.


And Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman playing himself as Rothstein's attorney. And Don Rickles!

I actually prefer Casino over Goodfellas, albeit slightly, only because I found myself liking Abe Rothstein more than Henry Hill, and I found the story of him trying to go legit more interesting than Hill working his way up the mob - but they're both fantastic movies.
   74. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 24, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4044373)
As I have mentioned elsewhere, I do not understand the director's intent or vision with The Tree of Life. But watching that movie really resonated with me because the actress was/is a dead ringer for my wife at that age, not just in appearance but how she interacted with the boys. It was like having a webcam into the past watching my wife be with our kids while I was off elsewhere.

I was spellbound.
   75. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: January 24, 2012 at 03:16 PM (#4044374)
Can somebody who enjoyed the Tree of Life please explain to me why it was good (seriously - I'm not trying to be an ass), because it was the most painful movie-going experience of my life.

As Alex points out, the theological/universal aspirations make Tree of Life as ambitious as any American movie probably ever made. Anything that ambitious is going to be seen as pretentious. Perhaps you're unfamiliar with Malick but at no point was I led to believe I was going to be told a compelling story; and I think managing your expectations for this film is crucial to what you may get out of it. I tell everyone who is about to see it that this is not your ordinary Act 1/Act 2/Act 3 film, and you shouldn't expect your typically Hollywood movie (or even your typical indie movie) just because Brad Pitt is in it.

As for "earning the emotions they would have you believe their characters are experiencing...." Well, the characters did not feel the emotions I felt. Or rather, the small boys haven't quite had the life experience/understanding to appreciate the emotions they were feeling in the then and now. God, if I knew then what I know now, simply playing in the field by my childhood home with my younger brother would've been absolutely overwhelming with the purest love imaginable. ####, I'm tearing up now just thinking about it.

You're either going to emotionally respond to it, or you won't. Unlike other movies that are divisive, I don't feel compelled to defend Tree of Life to those that hate it. That said, it's not a flawless movie, and complaints about it are not entirely unfounded.


   76. Alex meets the threshold for granular review Posted: January 24, 2012 at 03:27 PM (#4044390)
I loved the Tree of Life because it aspires to great things while, in my opinion, reaching most of them. (My one major gripe lies with the extended denouement, with Sean Penn doddering around on the beach in what looked like a menopause commercial or something. Though, I’ll readily admit that some of the narration was a bit too hushed and reverent for its own good.) It absolutely kills as a portrayal of both childhood nostalgia and family strife/daddy issues, and then takes it a step further by contextualizing these issues within a theological and evolutionary framework. It’s subtle and thoughtful on the issue of nature vs. nurture/God vs. science. It even manages to toss in – almost as an aside – a scene featuring dinosaurs without losing the strand, and even clarifying the film’s conceits.

And of course, it’s just unbelievably beautiful to look at and hear. Some of those pieces – namely, “Lacrimosa: Day of Tears” by Zbigniew Preisner, who did some amazing scores for Kryzystof Kieslowski’s films, Respighi’s “Suite III: Siciliana. Andantino,” and Gorecki’s “Symphony No. 3: Il Lento e Largo” – get serious play on my iPod at work. Emmanuel Lubezki has to be the best cinematographer this side of Vittorio Storaro, or at least in the conversation – the intimacy with which he captured Penn’s character’s childhood is vital to the tone and success of the film. And the effects work is as stunning as either.
   77. Every Inge Counts Posted: January 24, 2012 at 03:46 PM (#4044412)
Drive and Martha Marcy May Marlene were probably two of my favorite films of this year.
Out of the Oscar-nominated films I have seen Hugo, Tree of Life, Midnight in Paris, and The Descendants. Will probably the The Artist this week and rent Moneyball and The Help soon enough. Definitely feels like a weaker year, or simply movies that really didn't grab my interest (for example War Horse and Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close, though I read the book in high school). Albert Brooks and 50/50 for best original screenplay seem like snubs.
   78. billyshears Posted: January 24, 2012 at 03:56 PM (#4044425)
As Alex points out, the theological/universal aspirations make Tree of Life as ambitious as any American movie probably ever made. Anything that ambitious is going to be seen as pretentious. Perhaps you're unfamiliar with Malick but at no point was I led to believe I was going to be told a compelling story; and I think managing your expectations for this film is crucial to what you may get out of it. I tell everyone who is about to see it that this is not your ordinary Act 1/Act 2/Act 3 film, and you shouldn't expect your typically Hollywood movie (or even your typical indie movie) just because Brad Pitt is in it.

As for "earning the emotions they would have you believe their characters are experiencing...." Well, the characters did not feel the emotions I felt. Or rather, the small boys haven't quite had the life experience/understanding to appreciate the emotions they were feeling in the then and now. God, if I knew then what I know now, simply playing in the field by my childhood home with my younger brother would've been absolutely overwhelming with the purest love imaginable. ####, I'm tearing up now just thinking about it.

You're either going to emotionally respond to it, or you won't. Unlike other movies that are divisive, I don't feel compelled to defend Tree of Life to those that hate it. That said, it's not a flawless movie, and complaints about it are not entirely unfounded.


I appreciate the response. I'm really not trying to attack Tree of Life or any of it's supporters "Compelling" may have been the wrong word to describe the movie's intentions, but I have seen defenses of the movie commonly describe it as ambitious. While I do favor movies with ambition, to me, the ambitiousness of Tree of Life has the quality of a stoner in a college dorm room pointing out that every particle in your body used to be part of a star. I'm by no means a cinephile, but I try to be openminded about more unconventional movies, and I had some idea what I was getting into with Tree of Life. There were moments that resonated with me and moments that did remind me of my childhood. I felt like to some extent the universal origin "story" did not go as far as it should have, but I also felt that with regard to the central family drama, the movie merely skimmed poignant visual snippets but never coalesced into any kind of substantive coherent narrative. And while the movie certain intended to be an unconventional narrative, I don't think that it was so unconventional as to reject the notion of narrative in the entirety. I guess, to each their own.
   79. McCoy Posted: January 24, 2012 at 04:09 PM (#4044446)
I saw Warhorse, The Descendants, Tree of Life, and Moneyball out of the Best Of list. I can see Tree of Life getting nominated but if you had asked me who would get nominated I wouldn't have picked them. But then again I thought 2011 was a pretty weak year for movies.

Of the 4 Best of Noms that I watched I thought they were all pretty much "eh" movies. Hated Thin Red Line so I pretty much knew going in that I wasn't going to like Tree of Life. I think it had some poignant moments but it wasn't really a movie.
   80. Guapo Posted: January 24, 2012 at 04:15 PM (#4044462)
Since I freely admitted I didn't get to watch Tree of Life to completion, I'm not going to offer a serious review, but I will note that for the part I did watch, I had the same issue I've had with other Malick movies- which is I didn't connect with any of the humans on screen. There were some visually stunning shots but I always find his movies to be detached in a way that is disconcerting.
   81. Alex meets the threshold for granular review Posted: January 24, 2012 at 04:18 PM (#4044473)
Billyshears, I think what you said (“I don’t think that it was so unconventional as to reject the notion of narrative”) is a large part of why I really got into The Tree of Life. There’s a narrative there – the family’s struggle with, and eventual acceptance of, the death of the younger brother, and the oldest’s resentment for his father/Oedipus complex giving way to more ambivalent, nuanced understanding – but it’s comprised of moments as opposed to capital-E events. There’s not really any external influence to set things in motion – even the brother’s death is left completely ambiguous, and conveyed through the delivery of a letter – so Malick hones in on incredibly detailed minutiae of family life and adolescence, and externalizes inner torments through narration, physical acting (body language/facial expressions/sideways glances/etc.), and Brad Pitt’s tough love. It’s confident enough in itself to avoid pumping up the drama with Events, but remains very relatable nonetheless. Its characters are common enough tropes to feel archetypal, but drawn vividly enough to feel like people instead of mannequins upon which Malick draped his themes. Similarly, the film’s ambition is more in its subject than its form. It tackles Big Issues with more thoughtfulness and depth than the large majority of films, but it’s not a radical work. Maybe you find its answers (or even its questions) pat, but I find them treated with such conviction and beauty that it’s almost besides the point. In essence, it beautifully straddles the line between being a Major Work of Art and a down-to-earth piece of storytelling.
   82. billyshears Posted: January 24, 2012 at 04:18 PM (#4044474)
It absolutely kills as a portrayal of both childhood nostalgia and family strife/daddy issues, and then takes it a step further by contextualizing these issues within a theological and evolutionary framework.


I agree that this was the strength of the movie, and many of these scenes resonated. But I think it took a lot of work to get there, and the pay-off wasn't all THAT high. I think the movie gets a lot of points for attempting to address grand, significant issues, but, at least for me, the movie didn't say much about these issues that I found especially interesting or insightful.
   83. SugarBear Blanks Posted: January 24, 2012 at 04:23 PM (#4044480)
Since I freely admitted I didn't get to watch Tree of Life to completion, I'm not going to offer a serious review, but I will note that for the part I did watch, I had the same issue I've had with other Malick movies- which is I didn't connect with any of the humans on screen. There were some visually stunning shots but I always find his movies to be detached in a way that is disconcerting.

This is essentially where I am. I intended to see it in December but got bogged down with other things that I probably would have worked around if not for Badlands and The Thin Red Line -- both of which are, to me, seriously overrated.
   84. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 24, 2012 at 04:23 PM (#4044481)
I thought it was getting good reviews, and it strikes me as the sort of movie that critics would praise just to appear like they know what they're talking about but would not be entertaining at all to sit through. Anyone seen it?


I found it just the opposite: Pretty entertaining to sit through, and technically well done, but the story is totally hackneyed, and the characters are paper thin. It strikes me that it's really difficult to establish character in a silent movie, which is probably why silent-movie stars like Chaplin and Keaton had to stretch their personas over a whole series of movies.

Here's a serious question: Why is it called "The Artist"? It's about an adventure-movie star who falls on hard times, and makes one auteur-like film that's a big flop. The main character is as much an artist as Jean-Claude Van Damme. I really hate that title.
   85. Don't want the truth; just wanna see some dingers Posted: January 24, 2012 at 04:35 PM (#4044529)
But the Jeter flip/ Giambi non-slide wasn't in the opening scene. I remember sitting through that, expecting the flip/non-slide and was disappointed when I realized it never came.


Me too!
   86. Alex meets the threshold for granular review Posted: January 24, 2012 at 04:38 PM (#4044541)
SBB: though I think Badlands and The Thin Red Line are both great, I would say that they’re the two weakest Malicks – I can see an argument for any of Days of Heaven, The New World or The Tree of Life as his best, with the other two a tier below. And I agree that The Thin Red Line is overrated – among the arthouse crowd. I mean, it’s not like it gets a lot of play outside of film circles. Though I generally object to the term “overrated” in principle, because it’s so vague and indefinable, at least with regards to any specific film. (Same goes for “pretentious,” which has come to be shorthand for “serious movie that I feel was unsuccessful” –feh!) Anyway, yeah, The Thin Red Line gets a lot of support as Malick’s best, and I suspect there are two reasons:

1) It was his first film after a mysterious two-decade self-imposed exile from film, right on the heels of two of the most acclaimed films of the 1970s.

2) It’s a war film, which is More Serious and therefore Better Than. (Not that this is a bad thing…my favorite film is Apocalypse Now, after all.)

But while I’d put it slightly above Badlands (which I really wish I loved more, because I adore Sissy Spacek and Martin Sheen, and they’re both wonderful in that movie), I still think it’s the weakest of his subsequent films because it’s the most scattered. I think it’s illustrative of a storytelling paradox wherein a work becomes less universal/effective the wider it reaches. There are just so many characters in The Thin Red Line that it’s hard to become invested in any of them. Ostensibly, this is to portray the faceless, nameless indignity of death in battle – the anonymity of the soldier – but for me it just lessened the impact of any one character’s death. However…it’s the only Malick film I haven’t seen multiple times, so my opinion on it might soften or change entirely if I revisit it. We’ll see. And of course, all of the strengths of Malick’s other films are still in play here – like I said, I still think it’s a great film.

The New World is absolutely criminally underrated. The lack of reception that movie received…argh. I only regret that I had yet to really convert to full-fledged film snob by 2005 when it was rounding the arthouse theaters, so I never had a chance to catch it on the big screen.
   87. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: January 24, 2012 at 04:43 PM (#4044558)
But the Jeter flip/ Giambi non-slide wasn't in the opening scene. I remember sitting through that, expecting the flip/non-slide and was disappointed when I realized it never came.

Right - I was fine until later, when they were trading Jeremy for a reason OTHER THAN THAT HE DIDN'T ####### SLIDE.
   88. billyshears Posted: January 24, 2012 at 04:46 PM (#4044565)
There’s a narrative there – the family’s struggle with, and eventual acceptance of, the death of the younger brother, and the oldest’s resentment for his father/Oedipus complex giving way to more ambivalent, nuanced understanding – but it’s comprised of moments as opposed to capital-E events. There’s not really any external influence to set things in motion – even the brother’s death is left completely ambiguous, and conveyed through the delivery of a letter – so Malick hones in on incredibly detailed minutiae of family life and adolescence, and externalizes inner torments through narration, physical acting (body language/facial expressions/sideways glances/etc.), and Brad Pitt’s tough love. It’s confident enough in itself to avoid pumping up the drama with Events, but remains very relatable nonetheless. Its characters are common enough tropes to feel archetypal, but drawn vividly enough to feel like people instead of mannequins upon which Malick draped his themes. Similarly, the film’s ambition is more in its subject than its form. It tackles Big Issues with more thoughtfulness and depth than the large majority of films, but it’s not a radical work. Maybe you find its answers (or even its questions) pat, but I find them treated with such conviction and beauty that it’s almost besides the point. In essence, it beautifully straddles the line between being a Major Work of Art and a down-to-earth piece of storytelling.


I think this is the best defense of the movie I've heard. As in any piece of art, ultimately, I think it comes down to a matter of taste. Because the themes are so archetypal, I think the movie requires more than a snippet of dialogue, body language or a facial expression to convey it's message. I think the ambiguity in which the movie converses is cheap in some ways - it conveys ambitious themes, provides signifiers of grand emotions, and asks the viewer to color inside the spaces of these emotions. The death of a child is such a tragic event that every visual representation of a recollection of the child and the related tragedy can't help but be imbued with great emotional significance, but to grasp at that emotional significance in such an obtuse manner strikes me as facile. Maybe what bothered me (aside from the, you know, extreme boredom) is not so much that I found the answers pat, as much as I thought the movie studiously avoided giving any answers. I admit that my perceptions may stem from a desire for a conventional narrative that might make the movie less boring to me, but I've never found the frustration of convention to be laudable enough in itself to excuse the pain that a movie that makes such a choice risks inflicting upon it's viewers.
   89. Sam M. Posted: January 24, 2012 at 04:48 PM (#4044576)
Also, I loved Hugo, but as (likely) the resident Scorsese fanboy, dude: this guy made GoodFellas. The most exciting, possibly funniest, and overall best movie of the 1990s. Though, obviously these two films are miles apart.


That (in part) is why I was specific and careful to say that Hugo is probably my favorite Scorsese movie, not necessarily (or even probably) the "best" Scorsese movie. Those are two very different things -- one movie can have a more personal impact because of its subject matter and the way you relate to it, on any one of a number of levels. That individual, subjective reaction can make one movie more of a personal favorite, even if it is not as deserving of a place as high among the "best" movies.

Now, I happen to think Hugo is both a very great movie, and one of my favorites -- both. I take it (from your description of your own strong affinity for Scorsese) that I am not as much a fan of his as you are, even though I like him a lot. I rarely connect to movies as filled with strong and graphic violence as most of his tend to be, even in those instances when I admire them. There is just a visceral part of my reaction to those movies that distances me from them. Part of what made Hugo so thrilling for me was to see his amazing craft taken in such an unusual direction for him, for telling a story about very different people in very different circumstances than he has often tackled in his career. Those departures have been -- for me -- generally closer to the top of my own personal list of Scorsese favorites than they usually rank for most people.
   90. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: January 24, 2012 at 04:51 PM (#4044586)
The New World is absolutely criminally underrated. The lack of reception that movie received…argh. I only regret that I had yet to really convert to full-fledged film snob by 2005 when it was rounding the arthouse theaters, so I never had a chance to catch it on the big screen.


Boy, you missed out. Since it was shot on 70mm film, they had to project it on a screen otherwise reserved for IMAX films to maximize it. The screen I saw it on was much much bigger than the screen in the arthouse theater I saw Tree of Life on, so it was visually that much more majestic.
   91. Monty Posted: January 24, 2012 at 04:51 PM (#4044589)
Drive did get a nomination for Sound Editing. Which I think it absolutely deserved, since I was blown away by some of the sound effects in that movie.

I watched the nominations get announced and both Max von Sydow and Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close got a round of applause when they were announced. No other nomination got a reaction from the crowd. Either the Hollywood Insider Crowd likes that movie a lot more than everyone else or there was a secret movement afoot to stuff the ballot box and some people showed up to see if it worked.

I've seen sixteen of the 61 movies nominated for anything. I'm going to try to see them all, but documentary shorts aren't easy to find.
   92. AJM Posted: January 24, 2012 at 05:00 PM (#4044607)
I've only seen 3 of the 9 nominees so far.

My top 5 of this year:

Midnight in Paris
Warrior
Moneyball
Tree of Life
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo

Other picks:

Actor: Tom Hardy, Warrior
Actress: Elizabeth Olsen, Martha Marcy May Marlene
Supporting Actor: Brad Pitt, Tree of Life
Supporting Actress: Jessica Chastain, Tree of Life
   93. Chicago Joe Posted: January 24, 2012 at 05:12 PM (#4044635)
I admit that my perceptions may stem from a desire for a conventional narrative that might make the movie less boring to me, but I've never found the frustration of convention to be laudable enough in itself to excuse the pain that a movie that makes such a choice risks inflicting upon it's viewers.


This is probably more or less where I'm at with it at this point. It just seemed wispy in the extreme. I generally appreciate a non-conventional narrative and count some experimental films among my favorite works of art. But all the beautiful touches (and there were many) made the film more glaringly lacking in any sort of judgement or narrative. I will agree that the childhood sequences were probably the most evocative treatments of what it's like to be a child of any I've ever seen.
   94. AJM Posted: January 24, 2012 at 05:13 PM (#4044637)
Taxi Driver is my favorite Scorsese movie, and in my top 10 of all time. I'm looking forward to seeing Hugo, I'm planning on going to the Best Picture showcase that the AMC theaters run.
   95. villageidiom Posted: January 24, 2012 at 05:31 PM (#4044673)
That a film based on baseball statistics has garnered such a strong reaction from women is a miracle of sorts.
It's a film about old men telling you stuff that is wrong - and belittling you for not taking their word - getting put in their place by a devoted parent who worries a lot that, even though the new info makes sense, maybe the old men might have been right. Try to find a woman born before 1987 who can't relate to that.
   96. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 24, 2012 at 05:42 PM (#4044694)
Wallbanger female family members reasons for enjoying Moneyball:

--Brad Pitt did a great job as a dad

--loved the daughter scenes

--loved the flashback scenes

--found the interaction between the 'GM' and 'Manager' fascinating in that the manager could ignore his boss' orders.

--the depictions of players and the clubhouse

--that Brad Pitt managed to look just cute and not gorgeous. (that's a direct paraphrase of something I heard several times)
   97. Alex meets the threshold for granular review Posted: January 24, 2012 at 05:45 PM (#4044699)
Fair enough, Sam. I do really love Scorsese’s willingness with Hugo to step waaaay out of his ostensible comfort zone and not only make something great, but something deeply personal as well. He is sometimes pigeonholed as the violent mob guy (not accusing you of that), and even I was guilty of responding with an “Eh?” when I heard he was adapting a children’s picture book, but he knocked it out of the park. (After Hours, in my opinion his most overlooked film, is similarly atypical, though even then he was in the comfort zone of New York.)

Though, you give that guy anything to do with film/film history and he’ll throw himself into it. His documentary, My Voyage to Italy, about the Italian films that shaped his tastes as a young man, was extremely informative, and touched on a lot of works that aren’t the typical Italian canon. Hearing Scorsese talk about any movies for 4 hours is a treat, but hearing him talk about stuff like Rossellini’s late career with Ingrid Bergman was that much more of a revelation. I really need to get around to seeing his documentary on American film – hell, there’s only a handful of his films left that I haven’t seen (Kundun, The Color of Money, New York New York…that might be it).

On the issue of what I think is “best” vs. what I consider a “favorite,” if you drew a Venn diagram of my tastes, the two would come pretty close to a circle, with the occasional outlier. I’m a bit of a chameleon, taste-wise, and it takes a lot to make me dislike something. Sometimes I wonder if my tastes aren’t a bit impersonal because of it, but ah well. I love what I love all the same.

AJM: Taxi Driver played in AMC theaters for a single night last fall, and you can bet I was there. It was absolutely thrilling when that jazzy Herrmann score kicked in and I realized, “Holy hell, I’m watching ############# Taxi Driver on the big screen!” I really need to move to a major city with significant options for revival screenings– I’d be in heaven. Kansas City doesn’t really cut it. (Though I did discover, recently, a chain called Screenland which shows mostly arthouse but more importantly the occasional classic – Casablanca and Amelie are on the slate in the coming months, so I’m gonna have to do everything I can not to miss those.) Sometimes I find myself on film snob forums and somebody mentions that, say, Satantango is playing in New York, and I just get all dejected. Lucky bastards.
   98. andrewberg Posted: January 24, 2012 at 05:50 PM (#4044711)
I really need to move to a major city with significant options for revival screenings– I’d be in heaven


Does anyone know of a place in Seattle where they do this? I am sure it exists, and I would go to them if I knew about it, but it has slipped past me.
   99. Monty Posted: January 24, 2012 at 06:06 PM (#4044753)
Does anyone know of a place in Seattle where they do this? I am sure it exists, and I would go to them if I knew about it, but it has slipped past me.


Well, the Metro and the Egyptian do revivals occasionally. And the Cinerama had that 70mm film festival last year where they showed proper 70mm movies like Lawrence of Arabia and 2001. And there's the Grand Illusion, which shows weird old movies almost constantly. You can also see hard-to-see movies at the Northwest Film Forum and SIFF Cinema. SIFF Cinema is where I saw the restored full-length Metropolis last year. It was amazing.
   100. McCoy Posted: January 24, 2012 at 06:14 PM (#4044765)
I just want to know how a horse can live for 5 years on the battlefields of WWI.
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