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Monday, July 09, 2018

Mookie Betts, Bryce Harper Headline All-Star Rosters

NATIONAL LEAGUE

Catcher: Willson Contreras, Chicago Cubs

First Baseman: Freddie Freeman, Atlanta Braves

Second Baseman: Javier Baez, Chicago Cubs

Third Baseman: Nolan Arenado, Colorado Rockies

Shortstop: Brandon Crawford, San Francsico Giants

Outfielders: Bryce Harper, Washington Nationals; Matt Kemp, Los Angeles Dodgers; Nick Markakis, Atlanta Braves

AMERICAN LEAGUE

Catcher: Wilson Ramos, Tampa Bay Rays

First Baseman: Jose Abreu, Chicago White Sox

Second Baseman: Jose Altuve, Houston Astros

Third Baseman: Jose Ramirez, Cleveland Indians

Shortstop: Manny Machado, Baltimore Orioles

Outfielders: Mookie Betts, Boston Red Sox; Mike Trout, Los Angeles Angels; Aaron Judge, New York Yankees

Designated Hitter: J.D. Martinez, Boston Red Sox

Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: July 09, 2018 at 04:43 AM | 59 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. John DiFool2 Posted: July 09, 2018 at 08:04 AM (#5707114)
3 Jose's in the infield...
   2. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 09, 2018 at 08:53 AM (#5707117)
Damned right!
   3. Mike Emeigh Posted: July 09, 2018 at 09:00 AM (#5707119)
With Nick Markakis's selection, he comes off the list of position players who never made an All-Star team or mentioned on an MVP ballot, which means that Mark Ellis (33.6 WAR) is safe from a challenge for a while. Markakis is currently at 32.8. Christian Yelich (21.0 WAR) also comes off that list. Shin-Soo Choo, at 33.6 WAR, has the most WAR of any first-time All-Star, but he had received MVP votes in 2010 and 2013.

Top 5 active position players, sorted by WAR, who have never made an All-Star team or been mentioned on an MVP ballot:

Austin Jackson, 22.6
Colby Rasmus, 19.8
Neil Walker, 19.5
Chris Iannetta, 16.2
Jed Lowrie, 16.2

There are a couple of pitchers who have more WAR than Ellis and who never made an All-Star team or received an MVP mention, but given that it's now much harder for pitchers to get on an MVP ballot I didn't look at them in any depth. Tom Candiotti and Danny Darwin top the list of pitchers who meet those qualifications, and Anibal Sanchez (23.7 WAR) is the highest active pitcher although he did get CYA votes in 2013; Jhoulys Chacin (18.5 WAR) is next. J.A. Happ (18.7 WAR) is the first-time pitching All-Star with the most WAR.

-- MWE
   4. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 09, 2018 at 09:12 AM (#5707120)
3/4 of the last place Cincinnati Reds infield made the All-Star Team. Surprisingly, no Reds starting pitchers made it. I kid, I kid! They mostly suck. :-)

edit: Scooter Gennett. Is he the best spring training waiver-claim pickup ever? .279/.318/.420 with the Brewers. .308/.353/.525 with the Reds
   5. Blastin Posted: July 09, 2018 at 09:23 AM (#5707121)
I am happy for young Gleyber, who likely won't get to play (though technically can come off DL on Sunday), but I suspect this won't be his last time.

With Verlander already not allowed to pitch after pitching Sunday (and thus Bauer's inclusion), hoping Severino (who pitches Thursday, so Tuesday works fine) gets a chance to start, but at the least gets to pitch this year.

I would go Altuve/Betts/Trout/Martinez/Judge/Ramirez/Machado/Abreu/Ramos for the monster AL lineup but I don't think it matters much. Now watch the NL win anyway.
   6. Random Transaction Generator Posted: July 09, 2018 at 09:46 AM (#5707126)
Altuve/Betts/Trout/Martinez/Judge/


I love how the worst home run hitter in that first 5 is the one that hit 7 HR in 18 post-season games last year.
   7. Rally Posted: July 09, 2018 at 09:57 AM (#5707132)
Jed Lowrie, 16.2


Surprised he's not an allstar this year. Maybe he will be, I think he's got to be on the short list to replace whoever gets hurt in the next week.
   8. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: July 09, 2018 at 10:00 AM (#5707133)
3 Jose's in the infield...

And two catchers named Wil(l)son.
   9. villageidiom Posted: July 09, 2018 at 10:03 AM (#5707136)
Surprised he's not an allstar this year. Maybe he will be, I think he's got to be on the short list to replace whoever gets hurt in the next week.
He is also on the short list of players who are likely to get hurt in the next week.
   10. Blastin Posted: July 09, 2018 at 10:10 AM (#5707137)
I love how the worst home run hitter in that first 5 is the one that hit 7 HR in 18 post-season games last year.


Trout's gonna have to be on a good team to outdo that. It's not looking good.
   11. puck Posted: July 09, 2018 at 10:13 AM (#5707138)
Blake Snell didn't make it, right? Things have changed when the league ERA leader who's 2nd in wins didn't make it. I assume some of this is guys like Happ, and some of it is just that there's a lot of AL pitchers having great seasons so far. 7 AL starters with ERA+ of 150 or more seems like a lot.
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 09, 2018 at 10:31 AM (#5707142)
Blake Snell didn't make it, right? Things have changed when the league ERA leader who's 2nd in wins didn't make it.
I think I would support a rule that relievers are ineligible for the ASG. Or maybe limit them to one roster spot, so that you can honor a Rivera if need be.
   13. Brian Posted: July 09, 2018 at 10:36 AM (#5707147)
Is Snell not being chosen indicative of a change (Where wins aren't the #1 pitchers stat, for example) or is it just one of the best pitchers in MLB getting overlooked? He even starts on Thursday so he'd be able to actually pitch.
   14. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: July 09, 2018 at 10:40 AM (#5707149)
Snell got squeezed because of the players vote/1 player minimum from each team. The players picked Choo and Brantley, which took a spot from Castellanos, so the Tigers rep is anonymous RP, with took a pitching spot from Snell (actually from Bauer, since he's already a replacement for Verlander).

By the time people withdraw/are unavailable, Snell will surely make it.
   15. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 09, 2018 at 10:45 AM (#5707150)
I love how the worst home run hitter in that first 5 is the one that hit 7 HR in 18 post-season games last year.

Trout's gonna have to be on a good team to outdo that. It's not looking good.

I can think of a team whose LF has a 98 OPS+ and will be turning 35 next month. It's really not right for a team like the Angels to hold back Trout from the postseason.
   16. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: July 09, 2018 at 10:46 AM (#5707151)
Is Snell not being chosen indicative of a change (Where wins aren't the #1 pitchers stat, for example) or is it just one of the best pitchers in MLB getting overlooked? He even starts on Thursday so he'd be able to actually pitch.


#11 nails it. Roster crunch with having to have on representative from each team, and there are a lot of very good pitchers right now. Yes, Snell is good, and deserves to be on the team, but it's very reasonable to put Severino, Verlander, Sale, Cole, Kluber, & Bauer on the team as well. Berrios, Happ, Treinan, & Jimenez are their team's lone reps.
   17. Blastin Posted: July 09, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5707154)
I can think of a team whose LF has a 98 OPS+ and will be turning 35 next month. It's really not right for a team like the Angels to hold back Trout from the postseason.


And they don't even have a payroll above the luxury tax!
   18. Jess Franco Posted: July 09, 2018 at 10:51 AM (#5707157)
Those are pretty good starters. AL with an obvious edge.
   19. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 09, 2018 at 10:56 AM (#5707158)
I can think of a team whose LF has a 98 OPS+ and will be turning 35 next month. It's really not right for a team like the Angels to hold back Trout from the postseason.

And they don't even have a payroll above the luxury tax!


Well, you know what my motto's always been: HELP THE NEEDY, NOT THE GREEDY
   20. Sunday silence Posted: July 09, 2018 at 12:04 PM (#5707184)
So glad we're trading Harper this week; do you think we can get Stanton for him?
   21. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 09, 2018 at 12:15 PM (#5707188)
Nah, but you might get Gray for Scherzer.
   22. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: July 09, 2018 at 12:28 PM (#5707192)
This AL bench seems spectacularly poorly constructed. All 5 of the fan vote candidates (Benintendi, Rosario, Simmons, Segura, and Stanton) are better than several of the hitters, plus there's the inanity of leaving off Snell in favor of an assortment of relievers and lone-rep starters. They really do need to cap the number of relievers at this point. I'll take a stab at a better roster (replaced players are in brackets):

Reserves
C: [Salvador Perez, Kansas City Royals] Gary Sanchez, NYY
1B: [Mitch Moreland, Boston Red Sox] Whit Merrifield, KC
2B: [Gleyber Torres, New York Yankees] Jed Lowrie, OAK
3B: Alex Bregman, Houston Astros
SS: Francisco Lindor, Cleveland Indians
SS: Andrelton Simmons, LAA
OF: [Michael Brantley Cleveland Indians] Eddie Rosario, MIN
OF: Shin-Soo Choo, Texas Rangers
OF: Mitch Haniger, Seattle Mariners
OF: [George Springer, Houston Astros] Nick Castellanos, DET
OF: [Nelson Cruz, Seattle Mariners] Andrew Benintendi, BOS
OF: Giancarlo Stanton, NYY

P: Trevor Bauer, Cleveland Indians
P: Jose Berrios, Minnesota Twins
P: Gerrit Cole, Houston Astros
P: J.A. Happ, Toronto Blue Jays
P: Corey Kluber, Cleveland Indians
P: Chris Sale, Boston Red Sox
P: Luis Severino, New York Yankees
P: Justin Verlander, Houston Astros
P: [Aroldis Chapman, New York Yankees] Blake Snell, TB
P: Edwin Diaz, Seattle Mariners
P: [Joe Jimenez, Detroit Tigers]
P: [Craig Kimbrel, Boston Red Sox]
P: Blake Treinen, Oakland Athletics

Fan Vote:
Aroldis Chapman, NYY
Craig Kimbrel, BOS
James Paxton, SEA
Charlie Morton, HOU
Mike Clevinger, CLE

The AL catcher position is garbage this year. I think Sanchez deserves the nod even though he’ll need an injury replacement. Salvador Perez is a reasonable enough pick based on his career performance since no one has been good this year.

Similarly, there are no deserving 1B candidates. However, contrary to Moneyball, just about anyone can play 1B. Merrifield has played 5 full games there this year, and he’s been much better overall than any AL primary 1B.

The toughest call was Andrelton Simmons versus Jean Segura as an added reserve infielder. I went with Simmons because remarkably he's never made an All-Star game, while Segura has.
   23. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: July 09, 2018 at 01:22 PM (#5707218)

Similarly, there are no deserving 1B candidates. However, contrary to Moneyball, just about anyone can play 1B. Merrifield has played 5 full games there this year, and he’s been much better overall than any AL primary 1B.


How exactly is a .303/.371/.429/121 OPS+ line with 2 Rfield 'much better' than Moreland's .288/.358/.525/134 OPS+ & 0 Rfield? I would much rather watch the average fielding 1B with a .100 advantage in slugging play 1st than assign a utility infielder to the spot, because hey, anyone can play 1st right?
   24. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: July 09, 2018 at 01:57 PM (#5707230)

C: [Salvador Perez, Kansas City Royals] Gary Sanchez, NYY

Has there ever been an All-Star with a sub-Mendoza batting average?

To be fair, by the time of the game, Perez could be below .200 as well.
   25. SoSH U at work Posted: July 09, 2018 at 02:13 PM (#5707232)
Has there ever been an All-Star with a sub-Mendoza batting average?


The AL got close at least once. Bucky Dent and his 150-ish average led the AL shortstop voting for almost the entirety of the voting period in 1982 before future MVP Robin Yount overtook him in the final release. I always suspected MLB and the AL office kind of did some last-minute ballot box stuffing to prevent that embarrassment.

   26. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 09, 2018 at 02:29 PM (#5707236)
Davey Lopes made it in 1981 after hitting .169 in the truncated first half of that season.
   27. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: July 09, 2018 at 02:34 PM (#5707238)
The NL picked an outfielder who had negative 1.1 bWAR. I wonder if that’s a record?
   28. Bote Man Posted: July 09, 2018 at 02:40 PM (#5707246)
Catcher: Wilson Ramos, Tampa Bay Rays

...soon to be of the Washington Nationals.

Are they allowed to have 2 catchers on the same team named Wil[l]son??
   29. puck Posted: July 09, 2018 at 02:44 PM (#5707248)
Davey Lopes made it in 1981 after hitting .169 in the truncated first half of that season.


And had an OBP of 1.000 in the game!
   30. Bote Man Posted: July 09, 2018 at 02:49 PM (#5707249)
Colby Rasmus, 19.8

Active??

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   31. Bote Man Posted: July 09, 2018 at 02:56 PM (#5707251)
Has there ever been an All-Star with a sub-Mendoza batting average?

Bryce Harper is working on that, give him a little time damnit!!
   32. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: July 09, 2018 at 03:22 PM (#5707260)
Similarly, there are no deserving 1B candidates. However, contrary to Moneyball, just about anyone can play 1B. Merrifield has played 5 full games there this year, and he’s been much better overall than any AL primary 1B.
How exactly is a .303/.371/.429/121 OPS+ line with 2 Rfield 'much better' than Moreland's .288/.358/.525/134 OPS+ & 0 Rfield? I would much rather watch the average fielding 1B with a .100 advantage in slugging play 1st than assign a utility infielder to the spot, because hey, anyone can play 1st right?

Because we're looking at totally different things? My main consideration is value over the past year, with a preference for performance during the current season where it's close. Over the past year Merrifield has been a 4-win player and Moreland a 1.5-win player. I don't think Moreland's hot 6 weeks as mostly a platoon guy should override his larger sample as nowhere near All-Star caliber. That's especially true where, as here, Moreland would be the 5th or 6th guy on his team to make it.

I don't mean to pick on the Red Sox. I knocked Aroldis Chapman and Gleyber Torres off the team for the same reason, while adding Giancarlo Stanton and Andrew Benintendi. Not having Stanton on the team is stupid. He's one of a handful or so of the best players in baseball over the past year, plus the reigning home run king and MVP. Even if the named reserve outfielders have been roughly his equal so far this season, Stanton has a much better argument for inclusion.
   33. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 09, 2018 at 03:39 PM (#5707262)
The NL picked an outfielder who had negative 1.1 bWAR. I wonder if that’s a record?


Wow, I can't believe that Blackmon has really been that bad in the field. On pace for -4 WAR defensively is essentially Manny Ramirez Playing Center numbers. Heck, right now Blackmon has a worse dWAR than Ramirez ever had for a full season.
   34. Master of the Horse Posted: July 09, 2018 at 03:43 PM (#5707266)
Aguilar is almost certain to lose the vote because of math (# Dodger fans >> # Brewer fans) so has the league OPS leader meaning batter eligible ever not made the AS game at least in recent memory? I can kind of see it from the dark ages but kind of surprised if in the last 30 years. Thanks in advance
   35. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 09, 2018 at 03:49 PM (#5707267)
I feel kind of sad that Vazquez will be the Pirates' rep instead of Cervelli. Cervelli has had a really good season, and this was probably his last and best shot at an All-Star berth.
   36. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: July 09, 2018 at 03:51 PM (#5707269)
I don't mean to pick on the Red Sox. I knocked Aroldis Chapman and Gleyber Torres off the team for the same reason, while adding Giancarlo Stanton and Andrew Benintendi. Not having Stanton on the team is stupid. He's one of a handful or so of the best players in baseball over the past year, plus the reigning home run king and MVP. Even if the named reserve outfielders have been roughly his equal so far this season, Stanton has a much better argument for inclusion.

It's one of those things that we may look back in a few years and wonder how certain guys don't have as many AS appearances as they should. Like Bryant not making the team last year (this year is more understandable since he's been hurt), as the reigning MVP and the Cubs coming off the WS. I digress, but I agree with the larger point.
   37. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: July 09, 2018 at 03:54 PM (#5707273)
Reggie Jackson hit .194 in 1983 when he was a reserve DH for the AL, although to be fair he was hitting all of .214 at the break.
   38. rconn23 Posted: July 09, 2018 at 03:55 PM (#5707274)
I would add Aaron Hicks over Giancarlo Stanton on the fan vote.
   39. Bote Man Posted: July 09, 2018 at 04:17 PM (#5707286)
I had missed the memo that the ASG gets the Designated Hitter every year regardless (I wondered whether that changed when they detached it from home field advantage in the WS). So why do AL voters pick a DH while NL voters do not?
   40. Blastin Posted: July 09, 2018 at 04:27 PM (#5707289)
I would add Aaron Hicks over Giancarlo Stanton on the fan vote


I think Stanton heard you in Baltimore.
   41. Blastin Posted: July 09, 2018 at 04:28 PM (#5707293)
So why do AL voters pick a DH while NL voters do not?



Because how would you place people at DH in the NL voting? "uhhhhh... he SHOULD be a DH."
   42. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: July 09, 2018 at 04:38 PM (#5707297)
It's one of those things that we may look back in a few years and wonder how certain guys don't have as many AS appearances as they should. Like Bryant not making the team last year (this year is more understandable since he's been hurt), as the reigning MVP and the Cubs coming off the WS. I digress, but I agree with the larger point.

The ultimate example is Eric Chavez versus Shea Hillenbrand. Direct contemporaries at the same position in the same league. Chavez was the AL's best 3rd baseman for a few years, contributing about 5 wins a year and 35 for his career. He won 6 straight gold gloves and a silver slugger, and he also received MVP votes in 4 straight seasons. Hillenbrand vacillated between replacement level and average. He contributed about 5 wins total in his career (6 according to B-Ref, 3 according to Fangraphs). Hillenbrand typically started the season hot and then fell off sharply, while Chavez had the reverse splits. Chavez never made the All-Star game, whereas Hillenbrand was selected twice.
   43. Bote Man Posted: July 09, 2018 at 05:15 PM (#5707312)
Because how would you place people at DH in the NL voting?

Well, SOMEBODY must pencil in a DH for the NL, so I assume that's the NL manager?

I understand that they are choosing from A.L. players who (predominantly?) DH, but even if there are no players in the NL who "play Designated Hitter" they still have that batting order slot in the ASG to fill, so that's what the ballot should include for both leagues. Just another way the DH screws up baseball.

But I must keep reminding myself that it just doesn't matter.
   44. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: July 09, 2018 at 05:34 PM (#5707321)

Well, SOMEBODY must pencil in a DH for the NL, so I assume that's the NL manager?

Well, in the NL it should generally be the best hitter who isn't voted in at one of the fielding positions (unless that guy is a great fielder and you want to keep him available for later use). So it's hard to pick that person without knowing the results of the ballot.

You could argue the AL should be chosen that way as well, but it isn't.
   45. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 09, 2018 at 05:58 PM (#5707327)

Top 5 active position players, sorted by WAR, who have never made an All-Star team or been mentioned on an MVP ballot:

Austin Jackson, 22.6
Colby Rasmus, 19.8
Neil Walker, 19.5
Chris Iannetta, 16.2
Jed Lowrie, 16.2


Carlos Santana, 25.4
Would be atop this list if not for a single 8th-place MVP vote in 2013 (Thank you Jeff Fletcher).

HE should be the DH for the NL. Throw a guy a bone.
   46. Walt Davis Posted: July 09, 2018 at 06:05 PM (#5707330)
FWIW, Statcast kinda agrees on Blackmon's defense. Not in magnitude but they have him as 7 outs below average and that's below the average OF so probably closer to 12 outs below an average CF. However he's one out better than Adam Jones! He's also right there with McCutchen which seems plausible. Three older CFs, only one of whom has been moved off CF.

The 5 worst OF by Statcast (again relative to average OF) are Daniel Palka (on the White Sox apparently) and Derek Dietrich at -10, Trey Mancini at -11, Rhys Hoskins at -12 and Nick Castellanos at -16. Missing from the list of the worst, missing by a lot, for the first time in Statcast history (all of 2+ seasons!) is Matt Kemp who is at -2 so far this year following -18 (worst) last year and -23 (worst) in 2016. Also look at that impressive pace Castellanos is on.
   47. Ziggy's screen name Posted: July 09, 2018 at 06:18 PM (#5707335)
What is Jesus Aguilar, and how is it leading the league in HR? I had actually and literally never heard of the guy before this season.
   48. Bote Man Posted: July 09, 2018 at 06:46 PM (#5707345)
You could argue the AL should be chosen that way as well, but it isn't.

That's my point: if both leagues operate under the same rules during the ASG, then the ballots should use the same format for both leagues. Choose whomever you want, let the managers sort it out.
   49. cardsfanboy Posted: July 09, 2018 at 06:57 PM (#5707348)
I had missed the memo that the ASG gets the Designated Hitter every year regardless (I wondered whether that changed when they detached it from home field advantage in the WS). So why do AL voters pick a DH while NL voters do not?


I noticed that last year, and am glad for it. It's an exhibition game, it's not about lineup construction, tactics or managing, it's about giving the fans a good show of the great talent, so I've supported DH as standard for a long time, but do think it's weird that we can't vote for a DH in the NL. At the very least have a slot for a write in dh candidate in the NL... This would effectively give the NL fans a spot to vote for a wild card player.

   50. Bote Man Posted: July 09, 2018 at 07:10 PM (#5707350)
Bleacher Report MLB @BR_MLB
Max Muncy (20 HR) will participate in #HRDerby, per @pedromoura

Prediction: Max Muncy hits more home runs than Bryce Harper in the Home Run Derby.
   51. Master of the Horse Posted: July 09, 2018 at 07:16 PM (#5707352)
What is Jesus Aguilar, and how is it leading the league in HR? I had actually and literally never heard of the guy before this season.

Picked up by the Brewers from Indians before 2017. He kind of platooned with Thames at first last season and did ok. Barely made the roster because the Brewers have like 10 guys who play first or left field but hit the #### out of the ball all March so he stayed. Thames got hurt early, Aguilar took over first base and has cranked it for two straight months.
   52. Walt Davis Posted: July 09, 2018 at 08:59 PM (#5707399)
The problem of voting for a DH in the NL is that then NL teams will be listing a bench player as an AS candidate (who will then get no votes anyway). Also NL teams might try to game their DH choice to sneak in an extra starter -- worried that Goldschmidt might not win the 1B vote? List him at DH instead. Like it or not, NL teams have just 8 starting position players, AL have 9.

Then there's the alternative of not having the AL vote on DH. Fair enough but then what are the Red Sox going to do -- put JDM on the ballot at 1B? Drop Bradley? Get to put 4 OFs on the ballot? David Ortiz starting AL OF would have been fun.

Having the DH in all AS games and on the AL ballot solved the problem of teams having to choose whether to list Ortiz or Millar at 1B ... or shift Millar to the OF and drop Coco Crisp (I guess) ... in the years in NL parks while not forcing the NL to put a bench player on the ballot. Seems the simplest solution and it happens to match reality.
   53. Bote Man Posted: July 09, 2018 at 09:16 PM (#5707414)
Walt, it's the goddamned All-Star Game. No use nibbling your nails down to the quick worrying about the minutiae. Just design a consistent voting system that applies to both leagues and be done with it. Basically the fans are filling out their desired batting orders; both batting orders feature a DH so pick players to fill that position and the 8 others. Simple.

If your guy doesn't get on, too bad, so sad. Play ball.
   54. SoSH U at work Posted: July 09, 2018 at 09:26 PM (#5707427)
Walt, it's the goddamned All-Star Game. No use nibbling your nails down to the quick worrying about the minutiae. Just design a consistent voting system that applies to both leagues and be done with it. Basically the fans are filling out their desired batting orders; both batting orders feature a DH so pick players to fill that position and the 8 others. Simple.


The actual solution is simple. And works. And matches reality. And it's not like it results in a competitive advantage* in a game that no longer has any stakes. And the fact the AL elects nine and the NL eight hasn't been considered an issue anywhere until you brought it up.

But otherwise, sure, let's work on fixing THAT.

* That's not quite true. The current system could work to the NL's advantage, but hey, them's the breaks AL and your need to have an extra hitter in the lineup every day.
   55. Bote Man Posted: July 09, 2018 at 10:08 PM (#5707453)
Well, I just figured with all the hand-wringing over a guy with 3.1 WAR getting selected over a guy with 3.2 WAR, this would fit right in. But what do I know??
   56. Rusty Priske Posted: July 10, 2018 at 09:55 AM (#5707575)
Just design a consistent voting system that applies to both leagues and be done with it


Uh, they have.

There is a fan election for each regular non-pitching position in each league.

That applies to both leagues. Pretty simple.

   57. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 10, 2018 at 10:42 AM (#5707609)
Basically the fans are filling out their desired batting orders; both batting orders feature a DH so pick players to fill that position and the 8 others.


That would result in some really terrible selections. No one would know what makes someone a DH in the National League, so a lot of people would vote for Freddie Freeman as the best hitter in the league, others would vote for Kyle Schwarber as the most DH-like slugger in the league, others would vote for Jesus Aguilar as the best hitter who was otherwise left off their ballot...

The votes would be so widely split that in the end, you would get someone who received about 4 percent of the vote winning as the NL DH. It would come down to whichever team decided to promote one of its players as the NL DH.

Not to mention that it would screw up the other voting too - you could have someone like Paul Goldschmidt being shut out of the voting because 70% of his supporters voted for him at 1B and 30% voted for him as DH, even though he got the most votes of any first baseman overall.
   58. Walt Davis Posted: July 10, 2018 at 07:08 PM (#5708043)
Hey there's an idea to make the AS game more fun. Just let fans pick 9 position players regardless of position and the top 9 vote-getters start ... then let the managers have the fun of figuring out what they do when they don't have a starting C or 2B. OK, we won't force a non-C to play C so the top 8 vote-getters plus the top vote-getting C start. And to avoid namby-pamby managers who replace starting SS Kyle Schwarber after his first PA, every elected starter has to get at least 2 PA.
   59. puck Posted: July 10, 2018 at 11:23 PM (#5708168)
FWIW, Statcast kinda agrees on Blackmon's defense.


He's definitely worse this season, he was slowed by a bad quad. Whether he was also slower to begin with I don't know but that's also possible, he never seemed to have the typical CF speed. Now, whether he's DRS bad (-20 runs) or just UZR bad (-8.9) I dunno.

Too bad David Dahl is made of glass otherwise he could play center and they could push Blackmon to a corner.

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