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Mookie Betts to second base? Alex Cora isn’t ruling it out | Boston.com

What have reporters done? Overreacted, of course.

“You’re going to see Mookie taking ground balls at second,” Cora said. “But he’s doing that the whole season, so do not overreact. That’s part of his preparation.”

Jim Furtado Posted: October 21, 2018 at 07:58 AM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: October 21, 2018 at 10:08 AM (#5772011)
Where "overreacted" = "reported on and discussed it, as it seems to be being considered and an obvious solution to getting JD into the lineup in Dodger Stadium"?
   2. PreservedFish Posted: October 21, 2018 at 10:15 AM (#5772014)
I think they should do it. Why the #### not.
   3. Greg Pope Posted: October 21, 2018 at 10:21 AM (#5772017)
I don't follow the Red Sox, but how big of an effect is this on their defense? Betts to Martinez is the easiest, and I think that's a pretty huge dropoff, right? And I can't imagine that Betts is all that great at second. Even if he has the ability.
   4. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: October 21, 2018 at 10:26 AM (#5772018)
Mookie Betts could be the game 1 starting pitcher and not embarrass himself. He is an absolute joy to watch. When he caught fire in the minors, and Red Sox fans were wondering if his sudden explosion was a new level of ability, the team noted how smart and intellectually curious he was. He started as a second baseman, and learned the outfield...and now he's one of the best defensive outfielders in baseball.



   5. BDC Posted: October 21, 2018 at 10:40 AM (#5772026)
Reminiscent of moving Mickey Stanley to SS … actually this is more like moving Al Kaline to SS.

TFA says that Betts "last played second base in a regular-season game against the Yankees on Aug. 3" – actually it seems like he played six innings of that game at 2B, after Kinsler played just one inning. Was that an emergency move of sorts, that day? Hard to tell what was really going on, from the box score.
   6. MHS Posted: October 21, 2018 at 10:43 AM (#5772027)
I assume Mookie will move to CF and JBJ to the bench.

I would have liked to seen the Sox giving Martinez some sept time at 1B but whatever.
   7. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: October 21, 2018 at 10:52 AM (#5772029)
I would think this will depend significantly on who pitches for the Dodgers. If Kershaw or Hill is pitching, then you sit JBJ. If a righty is starting, I think you at least consider it.
   8. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 21, 2018 at 12:27 PM (#5772045)
TFA says that Betts "last played second base in a regular-season game against the Yankees on Aug. 3" – actually it seems like he played six innings of that game at 2B, after Kinsler played just one inning. Was that an emergency move of sorts, that day? Hard to tell what was really going on, from the box score.


Kinsler tweaked his hamstring and had to leave the game.


Reminiscent of moving Mickey Stanley to SS



That was the first thing I thought of.
   9. PreservedFish Posted: October 21, 2018 at 12:32 PM (#5772047)
But JBJ is their hottest hitter!!
   10. BDC Posted: October 21, 2018 at 12:44 PM (#5772050)
Kinsler tweaked his hamstring and had to leave the game


Thanks! Instead of replacing Kinsler with an infielder, they shuffled various people around to bring Mitch Moreland's bat into the game … which worked OK, Moreland went 2-for-3 the rest of the way.
   11. villageidiom Posted: October 21, 2018 at 12:44 PM (#5772051)
Was that an emergency move of sorts, that day?
Yes. Devers was on the DL. Bogaerts had been HBP on his hand recently and they didn't want him to bat. So they had Nunez at 3B and Holt at SS, and they were the other backup options for 2B on the roster. When Kinsler went down their only other option for 2B was Steve Pearce who was already in the game at 1B. But Mookie asked if he could, and they* let him. Pearce moved to RF and Moreland took over at 1B.

* Cora had been ejected earlier, so whoever took over for him was the one who approved the move.
   12. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 21, 2018 at 12:53 PM (#5772057)
they shuffled various people around to bring Mitch Moreland's bat into the game

This combination of words totally does not compute in my personal compiler.
   13. Howie Menckel Posted: October 21, 2018 at 01:16 PM (#5772064)
The Mets gave confirmed 3B Howard Johnson 196 starts at SS from 1985-91, with MGR Davey Johnson particularly fond of starting HoJo there when Sid "Fly Ball Machine" Fernandez pitched.

the upgrade on offense made up for the chance of a rare grounder to SS causing any problems.

in this "three true outcomes" era, I would think it keeps getting easier to hide somebody on the field. strikeouts, walks, homers - Grandma could be in CF, and she's not making any errors on those plays. plus if hitters won't poke the ball to a wide-spot on a severe shift, they certainly aren't going to "aim" at a shaky defender.
   14. PreservedFish Posted: October 21, 2018 at 01:30 PM (#5772065)
That gives me a new idea - at what point will we see an NL team hide a lead glove by constantly switching him to the least important area of the field? What would we call that position?
   15. K-BAR, J-BAR (trhn) Posted: October 21, 2018 at 02:11 PM (#5772074)
That gives me a new idea - at what point will we see an NL team hide a lead glove by constantly switching him to the least important area of the field? What would we call that position?


The Phillies had Rhys Hoskins switching between LF and RF based on batter trends in spring training. I don't think they actually did it in the regular season, though.
   16. caspian88 Posted: October 21, 2018 at 02:13 PM (#5772077)
That gives me a new idea - at what point will we see an NL team hide a lead glove by constantly switching him to the least important area of the field? What would we call that position?


The Stuart.
   17. Howie Menckel Posted: October 21, 2018 at 02:34 PM (#5772083)
That gives me a new idea - at what point will we see an NL team hide a lead glove by constantly switching him to the least important area of the field?

I attended the mid-1980s Mets-Pirates 18-inning game when Rusty Staub - in the final fielding appearance of his long career - was shuttled between left and right field for the last several innings depending whether the batter was LH or RH. it was amusing, and portly Rusty even made a sliding catch in RF in the eventual Mets victory.
   18. bobm Posted: October 21, 2018 at 02:53 PM (#5772089)
[13] The Mets gave confirmed 3B Howard Johnson 196 starts at SS from 1985-91, with MGR Davey Johnson particularly fond of starting HoJo there when Sid "Fly Ball Machine" Fernandez pitched.

(1) Harrelson from (game 43 of) 1990 through 1991, after Davey Johnson was fired, gave HoJo a disproportionate amount of those starts at SS: 37% of those starts at SS (73/197) in only 25% of the team's games from 1985-1991 (281/1131)


Starting SS, Fernandez vs. All Other SP, by Year (Sorted by most common SS with Fernandez SP)

Year Starting SS Fernandez SP All Other SP
1985       Total           26          136
1985     Santana           24          121
1985     Johnson            1            4
1985        Bowa            1            2
1985  Gardenhire            0            9
   
1986       Total           31          131
1986     Santana           14           97
1986     Johnson            8           14
1986    Mitchell            5           15
1986      Elster            4            5
   
1987       Total           28          134
1987     Santana           17          112
1987     Johnson            9           17
1987    Pedrique            1            0
1987       Almon            1            3
1987      Elster            0            2
   
1988       Total           31          129
1988      Elster           18          105
1988     Johnson           13           21
1988      Miller            0            3
   
1989       Total           32          130
1989      Elster           20          114
1989     Johnson            9           13
1989      Miller            3            2
1989     Shipley            0            1
   
1990       Total           30          132
1990      Elster           15           76
1990     Johnson           14           49
1990        Diaz            0            4
1990        Baez            0            3
1990      Miller            1            0
   
1991       Total            8          153
1991      Elster            6           92
1991   Templeton            2           28
1991     Johnson            0           25
1991     Gardner            0            8



(2) Fernandez was the most common of the regular SPs to have H. Johnson in the starting lineup at SS, but not as exclusively as one might recall, especially when Harrelson took over. (Mostly Cone and Gooden above the average SP, with Darling and LHP Ojeda below the average SP.)


1985-1991 Mets, Starting SS by SP, Sorted by % of SP's starts with HoJo at SS

         SP SS Johnson SS Other   %
     Valera          3        3 100
  Schiraldi          2        4  50
       West          1        3  33

  Fernandez         54      186  29

       Cone         36      138  26
      Viola         16       82  20
   Anderson          1        5  20
 Whitehurst          4       21  19
     Gooden         38      205  19
      TOTAL        197     1131  17
    Darling         26      203  13
   Schourek          1        8  13
    Berenyi          1       10  10
   Aguilera          4       59   7
      Ojeda          7      109   6
      Leach          1       16   6
   Mitchell          1       20   5
      Lynch          1       29   3
   SP Other          0       30   0



1985-1989 Mets (Davey Johnson MGR), Starting SS by SP, Sorted by % of SP's starts with HoJo at SS
         SP SS Johnson SS Other  %
  Fernandez         40      148 27

       Cone         18       74 24
     Gooden         19      144 13
      TOTAL        109      808 13
    Darling         15      168  9
      Ojeda          5       97  5
   Aguilera          4       59  7
   Other SP          8      118  7
   19. PreservedFish Posted: October 21, 2018 at 03:00 PM (#5772094)
I attended the mid-1980s Mets-Pirates 18-inning game when Rusty Staub - in the final fielding appearance of his long career - was shuttled between left and right field for the last several innings depending whether the batter was LH or RH. it was amusing, and portly Rusty even made a sliding catch in RF in the eventual Mets victory.


I wonder if the improvement you get from hiding Staub in the opposite field was mitigated by how tired all the jogging must have made the old sod.
   20. covelli chris p Posted: October 21, 2018 at 03:13 PM (#5772099)
If Kershaw or Hill is pitching, then you sit JBJ. If a righty is starting, I think you at least consider it.
i think you try to match up porcello/eovaldi with the dodgers' righties. if the dodgers are starting a bunch of LH hitters to match up with porcello/eovaldi, then whoever plays 2b will spend a decent amount of time in short right field anyway.
   21. BDC Posted: October 21, 2018 at 07:51 PM (#5772150)
Thanks to villageidiom for the expanded explanation of the Betts-at-2B game. With thinner benches all the time, teams have to get creative.
   22. Hysterical & Useless Posted: October 22, 2018 at 02:10 PM (#5772516)
Davey Johnson particularly fond of starting HoJo there when Sid "Fly Ball Machine" Fernandez pitched.


I seem to recall there was one El Sid game where there were 0 assists for 2nd, 3rd, and SS. Maybe one grounder to 1st or to the mound.
   23. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: October 22, 2018 at 03:03 PM (#5772564)
Mookie Betts could be the game 1 starting pitcher and not embarrass himself.

He does throw a lot of strikes.

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