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Monday, April 21, 2014

Morosi: MLB must evolve to let players express themselves without rebuke

Evol not Love.

Sorry, everyone. I must have been busy waiting for Stephen Drew and Kendrys Morales to sign when this transaction came across the wire:

NATIONAL LEAGUE—Named Gerrit Cole as Special Baseball Ethics Instructor to Carlos Gomez, succeeding Brian McCann.

Look, I can’t support everything Gomez does. Sunday’s bat toss and trot to first on what he thought was a home run probably cost the Brewers a run. With his speed, he could have had an inside-the-park homer if he had sprinted out of the box; instead, his potential run was stranded at third base.

It’s also difficult to defend the way Gomez turned a verbal altercation with Cole into a physical one, touching off a benches-clearing melee in Pittsburgh.

But for the most part, Gomez needs to be celebrated—not discouraged—for what he brings to major league baseball. At a time when the sport’s message on instant replay and home-plate collisions has become muddled, Gomez illuminates an even greater concern: Why do major league players take exception to peers who have the audacity to enjoy themselves on a baseball field?

If Gomez’s story sounds familiar, it should. Replace “Carlos Gomez” with “Yasiel Puig” or “Jose Fernandez,” and the basic theme holds true: A Latin American-born player has become a star in the major leagues, and he’s supposed to “tone down” his celebrations and remove the individuality from his game because “we don’t do that here.”

Well . . . why not? Because baseball’s playing, coaching, executive and media establishments don’t remember Joe DiMaggio pimping his home runs? Why do the old unwritten rules apply when there has been such profound change in the demographics of those playing—and watching—the game? Shouldn’t our national pastime mirror the evolving desires of the U.S. ticket-buying public in the social media age?

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   1. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: April 21, 2014 at 06:58 AM (#4690053)
Disagree that Gomez is merely "having fun" or "enjoying himself." There's also an element of denigrating his opponent, as there is with, say, the post-dunk staredown in basketball.

And then, since this is the case, he's hot-triggered when his opponent says something back to him. There's an aggression to the "enjoyment," there's an aggression to his reaction to the reaction.
   2. Howie Menckel Posted: April 21, 2014 at 09:02 AM (#4690088)
Exactly. There are plenty of "I'm so happy" moments in sports that opponents take perhaps unfair exception to, but Gomez came off like a sneering jerk. It's not even just "look at me" - it's also "look what I just did to you!"

TFA also is pretty condescending to Hispanics, as if all of them can't help but show that hot-bloodedness or something. And plenty of showboats are from other cultures, anyway.
   3. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 21, 2014 at 09:05 AM (#4690089)
I'll never understand why it's OK for football, basketball and soccer players to celebrate great plays, but baseball players are supposed to stifle their emotion for fear of "showing up" the other team. The double standard is nonsensical and counterproductive to baseball's growth.


Because those other sports are inferior to baseball and require childish, professional wrestling type theatrics to keep the mouth breathers entertained.
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 21, 2014 at 09:19 AM (#4690097)
There's also an element of denigrating his opponent, as there is with, say, the post-dunk staredown in basketball.



And what exactly is wrong with that? Embrace it! It works in professional wrestling. We should have villains and good guys, with the villains showing up the good guys by going against the polite decorum of the unwritten rules.
   5. Howie Menckel Posted: April 21, 2014 at 09:23 AM (#4690100)

and fistfights. we need more fistfights.
   6. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 21, 2014 at 09:27 AM (#4690107)
After denoting who the villains and good guys are, we can then script the results for maximum entertainment value.
   7. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 21, 2014 at 09:32 AM (#4690113)
After denoting who the villains and good guys are, we can then script the results for maximum entertainment value.


Careful, Bud Selig will think you've bugged his office.
   8. Chicken Stanley Has Smallpox Posted: April 21, 2014 at 09:35 AM (#4690117)
Rule 91.5 (c) - Each base, including home plate, shall have its own turnbuckle. Players may carom or jump off any turnbuckle to get a running start to the next base, or they may leap from any turnbuckle to knock opposing fielders to the ground. A few designated players may, on occasion, bite any of the turnbuckles while on base, strewing the contents of said turnbuckle about the field. Said player should be unusually hirsute, with a Neanderthal demeanor. He is not permitted to speak but may grunt or yell in triumph or agitation.

EDIT: Addendum: Players permitted to bite the turnbuckle shall not, under any circumstances, wear any apparel above the waist, regardless of weather conditions or the airborne presence of angrily tossed folding chairs.
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 21, 2014 at 09:46 AM (#4690122)
Bad Guy Coalition
Ryan Braun
Alex Rodriguez
Bryce Harper
Carlos Gomez
Yasiel Puig
Robinson Cano
Zack Greinke
AJ Pierzynski
Nelson Cruz
Jhonny Peralta
Yasmani Grandal

Good Guy Coalition
Derek Jeter
Mariano Rivera
Brian McCann
Ryan Dempster
Jeff Francoeur
Gerrit Cole
Michael Young (outta retirement in a surprise plotline)
The St. Louis Cardinals

I'm only half-kidding about all this.
   10. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: April 21, 2014 at 09:50 AM (#4690128)
Jonny Gomes - Good Guy Coalition but sudden heel turn when he takes a steel chair to Dempster.
   11. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: April 21, 2014 at 09:52 AM (#4690131)
TFA also is pretty condescending to Hispanics, as if all of them can't help but show that hot-bloodedness or something. And plenty of showboats are from other cultures, anyway.

Bryce Harper for example has been accused by some of not showing sufficient respect for his opponents and the game, and he's a white kid from Las Vegas.

It sure would be nice if the "mainstream" media could occasionally refrain from trying to turn everything into a racial or ethnic issue, but they just can't seem to help it with their Borg collective-like hive mentality.
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2014 at 10:01 AM (#4690141)
So, why does Gomez have the right to "express himself" but Cole doesn't?

Why are one set of actions/words protected and not the other?
   13. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 21, 2014 at 10:07 AM (#4690150)
So, why does Gomez have the right to "express himself" but Cole doesn't?


Because reasons and stuff.
   14. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 21, 2014 at 10:12 AM (#4690159)
Why are one set of actions/words protected and not the other?


First Amendment. Only my rights are protected, not yours.
   15. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 21, 2014 at 11:03 AM (#4690175)
Why are one set of actions/words protected and not the other?


Remember when Bud threated Hank Steinbrenner with sanctions for criticizing his Glorious Redistribution Scheme? Bud fancies himself a king. Shame on all the lickspittles who encouraged his imperial airs.
   16. McCoy Posted: April 21, 2014 at 11:05 AM (#4690177)
Disagree that Gomez is merely "having fun" or "enjoying himself." There's also an element of denigrating his opponent, as there is with, say, the post-dunk staredown in basketball.

And somehow in basketball "showing up" your opponent doesn't lead to bench clearing brawls. You basically have to lose your shvt to get into a fight in basketball and with the rules in place players rarely leave the bench as well.
   17. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2014 at 11:15 AM (#4690186)
And somehow in basketball "showing up" your opponent doesn't lead to bench clearing brawls. You basically have to lose your shvt to get into a fight in basketball and with the rules in place players rarely leave the bench as well.

And many people don't like the "showboating" culture of basketball.
   18. John Northey Posted: April 21, 2014 at 11:16 AM (#4690187)
Part of the bench clearing issue in baseball is the uneven number of players on the field... from 4 to 7 for the offense (counting coaches and guy in on-deck circle) vs 9 for the defense. Still, MLB should put in a rule much like the NHL did years ago to stop bench clearing - if you leave the dugout or bullpen you get suspended. Period.
   19. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: April 21, 2014 at 11:24 AM (#4690194)
Part of the bench clearing issue in baseball is the uneven number of players on the field... from 4 to 7 for the offense (counting coaches and guy in on-deck circle) vs 9 for the defense. Still, MLB should put in a rule much like the NHL did years ago to stop bench clearing - if you leave the dugout or bullpen you get suspended. Period.


It will never work for the first reason you listed, plus a few more. Players in the dugout will not allow one teammate to get his ass kicked by three or four guys in the field. And catchers won't allow his pitcher to get attacked by a hitter without stepping in. So, rule be damned, you'll have odd-man fights and benches cleared. So it won't do anything (or almost nothing) to prevent bench-clearing incidents, while it will result in uneven punishments when those incidents occur. And, of course, baseball doesn't have a penalty box, or any kind of intermediate, team-damaging penalty between nothing and ejection.

   20. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: April 21, 2014 at 11:28 AM (#4690197)
It will never work for the first reason you listed, plus one more. Players in the dugout will not allow one teammate to get his ass kicked by three or four guys in the field. And catchers won't allow his pitcher to get attacked by a hitter without stepping in. So, rule be damned, you'll have odd-man fights and benches cleared. So it won't do anything (or almost nothing) to prevent bench-clearing incidents, while it will result in uneven punishments when those incidents occur.


I disagree. The majority of fights are started by batters charging the mound. If hitters know their teammates won't join them then they won't be charging the mound.

Also, you can implement the same style rule as the NHL for other players on the field. Just as the NHL does not permit the "3rd man in" so too should MLB. If the hitter charges the mound the pitcher and him can kill each other but anyone from any other position who joins the show is suspended just as a player coming off the bench would be.

I know the counterargument is that you can't change the culture but I highly doubt the fighting is more of a cultural part of baseball than it was for hockey 30-40 years ago and they got rid of those sorts of melees pretty easily.
   21. spike Posted: April 21, 2014 at 11:32 AM (#4690202)
And somehow in basketball "showing up" your opponent doesn't lead to bench clearing brawls

Who needs a brawl when you get multiple opportunities to "hard foul" someone and stay in the game? And furthermore, pro basketball is unwatchable for this, among other reasons. It's a cartoon, and a badly paced one at that.
   22. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: April 21, 2014 at 11:36 AM (#4690210)
Disagree that Gomez is merely "having fun" or "enjoying himself." There's also an element of denigrating his opponent, as there is with, say, the post-dunk staredown in basketball.


I don't mind a bit of denigrating the opponent. Pitchers get to strut a little after strikeouts.

And then, since this is the case, he's hot-triggered when his opponent says something back to him.


This, however...if Gomez wants to be allowed to run his mouth, he should expect that the other guys are going to do the same thing. It's possible to indulge in good-natured smack talk and take your opponents' responses with good humor. That's not what Gomez is doing.
   23. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: April 21, 2014 at 11:39 AM (#4690216)


I disagree. The majority of fights are started by batters charging the mound. If hitters know their teammates won't join them then they won't be charging the mound.


I doubt that. And not all fights are started by the hitter charging the mound, so those situations would result in that same uneven problem, without the ability to say "you get what you deserved."


Also, you can implement the same style rule as the NHL for other players on the field. Just as the NHL does not permit the "3rd man in" so too should MLB. If the hitter charges the mound the pitcher and him can kill each other but anyone from any other position who joins the show is suspended just as a player coming off the bench would be.


This is simply false. Catchers will not let their pitchers take on a batter hell-bent on revenge without intervening (at least, it will be a very long time for that kind of change in attitude to take place). But for the foreseeable future it will not happen, no matter what rules baseball puts in place. And once it goes 2 on 1, I don't think you can expect the other dominoes won't fall.

Obviously, you can implement either of these policies. But if you're goal is to curb the practices, rather than simply punish, I don't think either will be effective, and may actually be counterproductive to injury prevention.


I know the counterargument is that you can't change the culture but I highly doubt the fighting is more of a cultural part of baseball than it was for hockey 30-40 years ago and they got rid of those sorts of melees pretty easily.


Fighting is still part of the culture, which makes policing it somewhat easier (just curious - if some goon starts beating up on a Gretzky type, do Gretzky's teammates just let that happen or does a fellow tough guy say "damn the penalty" and step in).

And again, just as with umpire arguments, the penalty box (or 15-yard penalty) works as a deterrent to some of these things. And those are things baseball doesn't have. Ejections simply aren't viewed as penalties against the team.
   24. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 21, 2014 at 11:57 AM (#4690232)
Still, MLB should put in a rule much like the NHL did years ago to stop bench clearing - if you leave the dugout or bullpen you get suspended. Period.


I still think its kinda odd this is part of the game with pretty much no legal ramifications. So if two guys brawl in the parking lot, they'd probably be arrested, but two guys on the field doing the exact same thing is legal somehow.
   25. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: April 21, 2014 at 12:01 PM (#4690239)
I do think there is a kernel of validity to this article

The World Baseball Classic had fans and players being loony and nobody took umbrage

maybe one group of players needs to ratchet things down but maybe some other players can stop looking for reasons to get upset
   26. Sunday silence Posted: April 21, 2014 at 12:08 PM (#4690244)
the part Rickey quoted in post no. 3 I dont get. The NFL has gone out of its way to create penalties for celebrations it doesnt like. First it was the choreographed celebrations in the end zone, which I never liked when you have to line up your whole team to re enact Swan Lake or whatever. Then they stopped the strut after the sack, which I didnt really have a problem because that stuff happens so fast. Then they have rules for taking out your sharpie and autographing the ball when you score. This year they've outlawed the dunk over the goal posts. Football is very concerned with this sort of stuff...

Basketball I dont know, but you cant get in people's faces. They ejected Rasheed Wallace for starting at the ref and I guess Lebron got the same thing. I think the NBA has its own way to deal with this, you dont see as many fights as you used to and you see less bench clearing brawls I think.

I guess you really have to look at this on a sport by sport basis as well as what is spontaneous and what is not. They are not going to ban home plat congratualations, they are not gonna ban high fives in the OF.
   27. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 21, 2014 at 12:08 PM (#4690245)
maybe one group of players needs to ratchet things down


Didn't the Dutch have kinda obnoxious enthusiasm? Its always the Dutch.
   28. Sunday silence Posted: April 21, 2014 at 12:14 PM (#4690251)
So if two guys brawl in the parking lot, they'd probably be arrested, but two guys on the field doing the exact same thing is legal somehow.



It's a good pt. but if you go a little deeper there have been legal cases brought for stuff like this. I think in Italy someone got jailed for a hit in soccer. I think there was a lawsuit with Kermit Washington/Tomjanovich. In the NHL there have been any number of lawsuits but most of them get dismissed or minor penalty; even Steve Bertuzzi did not go to jail:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in_ice_hockey
   29. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 21, 2014 at 12:53 PM (#4690283)
I know, the famous case they teach in law school is Hackbarth, where a Bengals player beat up an opposing player. Its just...weird that its accepted.

Ed Farmer did press charges against Al Cowens in the 70s for tearing his nostrils during a brawl. Cowens had cops waiting for him the next time he returned to Chicago. But Farmer dropped the charges in exchange for a handshake.
   30. Random Transaction Generator Posted: April 21, 2014 at 01:03 PM (#4690293)
but baseball players are supposed to stifle their emotion for fear of "showing up" the other team.


Huh?

How many times have we seen walk-off hits celebrated by the entire team on the field?
I'm pretty sure I'm witnessing "emotion" when the dugout empties on the field to celebrate with the player at home (or chasing him around the diamond if it's not a walk-off home run).
The opposition never seems to get upset when that happens...
   31. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: April 21, 2014 at 01:07 PM (#4690302)
I know, the famous case they teach in law school is Hackbarth, where a Bengals player beat up an opposing player. Its just...weird that its accepted.


At the same time, running full speed at a stationary individual, lowering your shoulder and drilling him in the midsection would likely get you arrested in real life, but it's not only acceptable, it's the very way the game is supposed to be played. With that, I think it's not hard to understand why certain conduct is accepted on the field that wouldn't be tolerated elsewhere.

   32. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 21, 2014 at 01:11 PM (#4690306)
That's a bit different though, that is literally how you play the game (and it has been outlawed). Brawls don't really serve as an integral part of the game.
   33. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 21, 2014 at 01:14 PM (#4690309)
I'm pretty sure I'm witnessing "emotion" when the dugout empties on the field to celebrate with the player at home (or chasing him around the diamond if it's not a walk-off home run). The opposition never seems to get upset when that happens...


There's a lot more room for celebration if the game has just ended dramatically. You're celebrating the win with your team. Even if that ball clears the wall, Gomez would have been pimp-walking his own solo homer, which may not have contributed to a team win at all, or may have been one of five or six runs in a team win. Even in that regard, if you absolutely blast a HR into the 2nd deck, players will understand a step or two of pimping it as you watch it fly, as long as you put your head down and run it out afterwards. (The Barry Bonds.) But if you hit a ball that maybe, on a good day, might scrape over the top of the wall, but in all actuality bounces off of it and should have been a long single if the CF plays it correctly? You're pimp walking that? No. That's not cool.
   34. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: April 21, 2014 at 01:14 PM (#4690312)
That's a bit different though, that is literally how you play the game (and it has been outlawed).


How has that been outlawed? That's about the only way you're allowed to sack the quarterback now.

Brawls don't really serve as an integral part of the game.


The point being, you have a workplace that is fundamentally different, where violent behavior is legal and routine. Given that, it shouldn't be hard to understand why other kinds of violent conduct there are treated differently than they are in the outside world.

   35. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 21, 2014 at 01:20 PM (#4690318)
How has that been outlawed? That's about the only way you're allowed to sack the quarterback now.


Baseball doesn't have quarterbacks.
   36. Bitter Mouse Posted: April 21, 2014 at 01:32 PM (#4690336)
Baseball doesn't have quarterbacks.


What?!? <scratches head, goes out to Wikipedia for more information>
   37. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: April 21, 2014 at 01:32 PM (#4690337)
Baseball doesn't have quarterbacks.


I was specifically responding to your comment about a Bengals game. I assumed that was the kind you'd find in the wilds of southwestern Ohio.

Even so, baseball has a history of some level of legal violence associated with it (even if it's being phased out). That's going to affect how we view the extracurricular kind.
   38. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: April 21, 2014 at 01:34 PM (#4690339)
I really abhor violence in real life, but for some reason (I'm immature or haven't really thought it through, probably?) the number of baseball "brawls" doesn't really bother me that much. While real-life fights are incredibly sad to me, baseball fights seem so removed from that, with so few consequences (people almost never seem to actually get hurt, no one goes to jail, the guys involved are millionaires, and aren't on a downward spiral that will probably lead to their premature death or destroying their lives) that they seem kind of amusing to me. I find their awkwardness and ineffectiveness almost endearing.

Still, I don't think what Cole said were really fighting words. Gomez' reaction to Cole should have been, "Yeah, next time I'll hit one farther" or a simple "Go f*** yourself" or some combination of the two. If Cole insults his mom, or says some racial stuff or whatever, sure, go nuts. Now I wonder if Gomez was embarrassed and couldn't come up with a good response fast enough and got mad.
   39. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2014 at 01:42 PM (#4690350)
But if you hit a ball that maybe, on a good day, might scrape over the top of the wall, but in all actuality bounces off of it and should have been a long single if the CF plays it correctly? You're pimp walking that? No. That's not cool.
All these unwritten rules. Someone should carve them in stone or something.
   40. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: April 21, 2014 at 01:47 PM (#4690355)
But if you hit a ball that maybe, on a good day, might scrape over the top of the wall, but in all actuality bounces off of it and should have been a long single if the CF plays it correctly? You're pimp walking that? No. That's not cool.


Gomez said after the game that the reason he didn't run out of the box was not because he thought it was going out, but because he thought McCutchen was going to catch it (which, as I said yesterday, is less defensible, but I don't think anyone "pimp walks" an F-8).

   41. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 21, 2014 at 01:52 PM (#4690357)
All these unwritten rules. Someone should carve them in stone or something.


Not really. People who actually pay attention to the game of baseball understand them just fine.

Gomez said after the game that the reason he didn't run out of the box was not because he thought it was going out, but because he thought McCutchen was going to catch it (which, as I said yesterday, is less defensible, but I don't think anyone "pimp walks" an F-8).


That's funny. So Cole did Matt Williams' job for Roenicke?
   42. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2014 at 02:02 PM (#4690370)
Not really. People who actually pay attention to the game of baseball understand them just fine.
And people who want to get huffy about nonsense will get huffy about nonsense. One man's fist pump hop is another man's FU strut. If you're gonna get all indignant and righteous about it every time someone wants to show some emotion, perhaps sports shouldn't be your thing.
   43. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 21, 2014 at 02:15 PM (#4690382)
If you're gonna get all indignant and righteous about it every time someone wants to show some emotion, perhaps sports shouldn't be your thing.


And if you want to watch primadonnas dance around like grade schoolers, perhaps you should try wrestling or football.
   44. Xander Posted: April 21, 2014 at 02:18 PM (#4690388)
Not really. People who actually pay attention to the game of baseball understand them just fine.
You mean like Matt Garza, who got mad at the A's for forcing him to field bunts last year? Yea, when you allow a culture of unwritten rules, nonsense like that is allowed to persist, even if everyone else thinks it's crazy.
   45. JE (Jason) Posted: April 21, 2014 at 02:42 PM (#4690424)
Now I wonder if Gomez was embarrassed and couldn't come up with a good response fast enough and got mad.

Yeah, well, the jerk store called...?
   46. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: April 21, 2014 at 02:58 PM (#4690435)
And if you want to watch primadonnas dance around like grade schoolers, perhaps you should try wrestling or football.


I hope you meant "professional wrestling", also known as "rasslin", or you might be on the wrong end of a double-leg shoot and vigorous oil-checking.
   47. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 21, 2014 at 03:29 PM (#4690457)
And if you want to watch primadonnas dance around like grade schoolers, perhaps you should try wrestling or football.
I don't, but I don't lose my #### over it, and I don't expect ballplayers to throw down and rumble like a 70s movie over it.
   48. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: April 21, 2014 at 03:40 PM (#4690466)
a double-leg shoot and vigorous oil-checking.


The nanny is falling down on the job, I see.
   49. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 21, 2014 at 04:29 PM (#4690499)
You mean like Matt Garza, who got mad at the A's for forcing him to field bunts last year?


Not at all. Garza's lack of fundamentals and his head case pissing of his pants when teams exploit his failures in that regard are completely on him. And Bo Porter was completely wrong to ##### at Jed Lowrie for bunting against the shift. (If you're going to shift a hitter, suck it up and accept that he may bunt against it.) That you thing Garza's insanity is similar to this suggests you don't understand baseball.
   50. theboyqueen Posted: April 21, 2014 at 06:07 PM (#4690579)
White people really like their "unwritten rules", don't they? There's that whole British Constitution thing...

If the goal is to turn baseball into a more "honorable" sport like golf or foxhunting or sumo or canasta or whatever, you can have it.

Gomez' reaction to Cole should have been, "Yeah, next time I'll hit one farther" or a simple "Go f*** yourself" or some combination of the two.


Chances are Gomez doesn't speak English well enough to respond like this. He could have called Cole a "maldito cabron" or something but then we are reaching the true limits of palaver.
   51. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 21, 2014 at 06:24 PM (#4690592)
White people really like their "unwritten rules", don't they?


Unwritten rules for me. 30 lashes for you. Seems fair.
   52. theboyqueen Posted: April 21, 2014 at 07:32 PM (#4690631)
Unwritten rules for me. 30 lashes for you. Seems fair.


When the slaves hold the whips, unwritten rules are all you've got left.
   53. McCoy Posted: April 21, 2014 at 08:27 PM (#4690672)
Who needs a brawl when you get multiple opportunities to "hard foul" someone and stay in the game? And furthermore, pro basketball is unwatchable for this, among other reasons. It's a cartoon, and a badly paced one at that.

Dikembe Mutombo got hard fouled? In basketball showing the other guy up is part of the culture consequently you don't everybody stop what their doing and fight over every little thing that might be perceived as a slight.
   54. Bhaakon Posted: April 21, 2014 at 09:17 PM (#4690713)
Dikembe Mutombo got hard fouled? In basketball showing the other guy up is part of the culture consequently you don't everybody stop what their doing and fight over every little thing that might be perceived as a slight.


I find it interesting that basketball has developed a culture of selfish play despite there being a clear benefit to playing unselfishly, while baseball has its honor code despite being the rare team sport in which acting selfishly is almost always good for the team.
   55. theboyqueen Posted: April 21, 2014 at 09:49 PM (#4690748)
In basketball showing the other guy up is part of the culture consequently you don't everybody stop what their doing and fight over every little thing that might be perceived as a slight.


This is 100% correct, and why baseball fights are so damn silly.
   56. Random Transaction Generator Posted: April 22, 2014 at 08:33 AM (#4690898)
All these unwritten rules. Someone should carve them in stone or something.


Not really. People who actually pay attention to the game of baseball understand them just fine.


Obviously not since there seems to be lots of players/managers who are participating in the game of baseball (which I assume is actually a step above "paying attention") who are breaking these "unwritten rules".

Otherwise, we wouldn't be seeing these things (brawls/whining) happen all the time.
   57. McCoy Posted: April 22, 2014 at 08:45 AM (#4690909)
I find it interesting that basketball has developed a culture of selfish play despite there being a clear benefit to playing unselfishly, while baseball has its honor code despite being the rare team sport in which acting selfishly is almost always good for the team.

Except basketball doesn't have a culture of selfish play. There are selfish players to be sure, just like there are in every sport but basketball has a culture of team play.
   58. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 22, 2014 at 08:53 AM (#4690916)
In basketball showing the other guy up is part of the culture consequently you don't everybody stop what their doing and fight over every little thing that might be perceived as a slight.

And lots of people around baseball (players, execs, fans) don't want that to be the culture of MLB. Why do we have to adopt the crappy culture of other, inferior, sports?

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