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Tuesday, January 14, 2014

Morosi: Why is A-Rod destroying himself?

Destroy-Oh-Boy!: Up For A Downslide.

Rodriguez charged that the union “completely abdicated” its responsibility to him. He had particularly sharp criticism for Michael Weiner, the universally respected former executive director of the MLBPA, who died of brain cancer less than two months ago.

For Rodriguez to disparage Weiner in that way, with the union still mourning his loss, was one of the most revolting acts I’ve witnessed in baseball. (Weiner never explicitly declared Rodriguez’s guilt during a radio interview, as A-Rod alleged.) Tony Clark, Weiner’s successor at the MLBPA, said Rodriguez’s attacks on Weiner were “gratuitous” and “inexcusable.”

So let’s summarize: MLB has banished A-Rod for a year and probably wishes he’d leave for good. The Yankees certainly don’t want him in spring training. The union that protected him has turned into an adversary — by his own doing. And now that he’s spoken out against Weiner, how many teammates or fellow players will defend Rodriguez on the record? Will any?

... But from the time Horowitz’s decision became public Saturday morning, Rodriguez has systematically destroyed what little goodwill he had.

Does he want to be despised by the fans who once cheered for him, because it’s better than slipping into irrelevancy? Does he actually believe he never used PEDs, despite Bosch’s testimony under oath and the associated documentation? Or is he a serial doper who’s lashing out because he can’t bear the thought of having to play clean?

Baseball will move on, because spring training starts in a month. The Yankees will move on, with Kelly Johnson and perhaps a right-handed platoon partner (Michael Young? Logan Forsythe?) at third base. The union will move on, as Clark navigates an increasingly adversarial relationship with the commissioner’s office. But A-Rod can’t move on — at least, not anytime soon. He’s alone, unpopular and disgraced. And he has no one to blame but himself.

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   1. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: January 14, 2014 at 08:24 AM (#4638390)
One of the easiest questions of all time: because he's a malignantly narcissistic, out of control, mentally deranged psychopath.
   2. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: January 14, 2014 at 08:26 AM (#4638391)
I blame it on The Cathedral.
   3. BrianBrianson Posted: January 14, 2014 at 08:28 AM (#4638392)
IIRC, Jesus destroyed himself for the benefit of everybody else, and is widely liked for it. I don't get why people don't like ARod for it. I know I do.
   4. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: January 14, 2014 at 08:42 AM (#4638395)
#1 - I basically agree, and it still makes me sad. What a waste of talent.
   5. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 14, 2014 at 08:47 AM (#4638397)
One of the easiest questions of all time: because he's a malignantly narcissistic, out of control, mentally deranged psychopath.

Wait, are we still talking about A-Rod?
   6. TJ Posted: January 14, 2014 at 08:54 AM (#4638399)
Centaur's gotta do what a centaur's gotta do...
   7. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 14, 2014 at 08:55 AM (#4638400)
Centaur's gotta do what a centaur's gotta do...

Hay-ers gonna hay...
   8. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: January 14, 2014 at 09:13 AM (#4638403)
Exactly what goodwill did ARod have left?
   9. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 09:13 AM (#4638404)
One of the easiest questions of all time: because he's a malignantly narcissistic, out of control, mentally deranged psychopath.


Yep. I was simply going to post "because he's batshit crazy" but this works just as well.
   10. salajander Posted: January 14, 2014 at 09:19 AM (#4638406)
Who, Selig?
   11. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 10:06 AM (#4638429)
No, Selig is in fact very good at his job and it's been detailed by people smarter than myself in other threads how ownership is trying to use this issue to fracture the MLBPA.

As always, evil and incompetence are wholly different things.
   12. AROM Posted: January 14, 2014 at 10:21 AM (#4638438)
One of the easiest questions of all time: because he's a malignantly narcissistic, out of control, mentally deranged psychopath.


Psychopath? That's a stretch. He hasn't hurt anyone but himself*, unless you buy Bosch's fear that A-Rod was going to put a hit on him. Out of control narcissist, that one fits.

*Looking at his playoff record since he allegedly first met Bosch in 2010, A-Rod wouldn't even hurt a baseball.
   13. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM (#4638440)
One of the easiest questions of all time: because he's a malignantly narcissistic, out of control, mentally deranged psychopath.

No, please, don't hold back. Tell us how you reaallly feel about this question.
   14. Publius Publicola Posted: January 14, 2014 at 10:39 AM (#4638447)
Malignant narcissism is a form of sociopathy so if Joey used the term"sociopath" instead of "psychopath", I think the description fits quite well.
   15. Bitter Mouse Posted: January 14, 2014 at 10:48 AM (#4638463)
I am amused at the amount of piling on being done. Seriously people get a grip. A-Rod did not kill anyone or anything like it. He is a very talented and competitive athlete, who has a terrible "on camera" persona.

But I am sure you all love Kirby Puckett*, because he was a great guy and fun and everything. You need to separate the sports person from the real person. Feel free to dislike the sporting acts or whatever, but OMG he said something bad about a guy who had cancer and died - so he should be killed! Some folks are being more than a little ridiculous.**

You people act like he ran over your dog or something, when in reality he just put his hoof on its tail. The dog will recover just fine.

* Example player with great public persona and some serious issues, and as it turns out not a great guy in the slightest despite his PR. I chose him because I am a fan of the Twins and loved Kirby the sports hero as much as the next guy.

** And I am not a fan of A-Rod (pre-Centaur addition) and I (sports) hate the Yankees. I am really glad he did not beat Bonds Home Run records. But even so...

EDIT: And no it is not appropriate to diagnose mental illness in someone from a distance, and shows as much tact and self awareness as A-Rod has honestly.
   16. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: January 14, 2014 at 10:51 AM (#4638467)
Malignant narcissism is a form of sociopathy so if Joey used the term"sociopath" instead of "psychopath", I think the description fits quite well.


Man, there's nothing like a good case of internet psychotherapy babblefish doctoring in the morning.
   17. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 14, 2014 at 11:04 AM (#4638487)
A-Rod did not kill anyone or anything like it.

But only because Manfred and Selig stepped in and saved the day. Imminent ARod-sponsored murder is something that is entirely plausible and in no way dubious.
   18. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 11:05 AM (#4638489)
Man, there's nothing like a good case of internet psychotherapy babblefish doctoring in the morning.


I recall former Primate "kevin" fabricating some grandiose background for himself which crumbled under scrutiny. I don't know where that falls under the DSM.
   19. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: January 14, 2014 at 11:23 AM (#4638520)
And no it is not appropriate to diagnose mental illness in someone from a distance, and shows as much tact and self awareness as A-Rod has honestly.

1. Consider the source
2. Apply "takes one to know one" standard
3. Put said source on ignore
4. Profit!
   20. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 11:26 AM (#4638526)
Rodriguez charged that the union “completely abdicated” its responsibility to him. He had particularly sharp criticism for Michael Weiner, the universally respected former executive director of the MLBPA, who died of brain cancer less than two months ago.

For Rodriguez to disparage Weiner in that way, with the union still mourning his loss, was one of the most revolting acts I’ve witnessed in baseball. (Weiner never explicitly declared Rodriguez’s guilt during a radio interview, as A-Rod alleged.) Tony Clark, Weiner’s successor at the MLBPA, said Rodriguez’s attacks on Weiner were “gratuitous” and “inexcusable.”


No "disparaging" of Weiner took place. This is a court case. ARod's career, income, and reputation (what's left of it) are at stake. ARod's filing focused 100% on Weiner acting in his capacity as union head, and the comments Weiner made, and the union's failure to protect ARod. And ARod's papers were correct in their statements about Weiner. No personal attacks took place.

Let's try to act like adults here.
   21. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: January 14, 2014 at 11:29 AM (#4638532)

Let's try to act like adults here.


Why start now?
   22. hee came hee seop'd he choi'd Posted: January 14, 2014 at 11:37 AM (#4638548)
This has to have been a decision made by his lawyers and I'm sure they billed countless hours going over where to include the union or not for both legal and pr reasons. Its not something done lightly.
   23. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 14, 2014 at 12:14 PM (#4638598)
No "disparaging" of Weiner took place. This is a court case. ARod's career, income, and reputation (what's left of it) are at stake. ARod's filing focused 100% on Weiner acting in his capacity as union head, and the comments Weiner made, and the union's failure to protect ARod. And ARod's papers were correct in their statements about Weiner. No personal attacks took place.
Let's try to act like adults here.


How do we know that A-Rod's secret murder squad didn't take care of Weiner?
   24. Bitter Mouse Posted: January 14, 2014 at 12:20 PM (#4638604)
How do we know that A-Rod's secret murder squad didn't take care of Weiner?


I believe it is called the Murder Herd. Try to keep up ;)
   25. vivaelpujols Posted: January 14, 2014 at 02:05 PM (#4638716)
Malignant narcissism is a form of sociopathy so if Joey used the term"sociopath" instead of "psychopath", I think the description fits quite well.


You guys are idiots.
   26. KT's Pot Arb Posted: January 14, 2014 at 02:17 PM (#4638738)
Wiener deserves some criticism, let's not beatify the dead.
   27. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: January 14, 2014 at 02:19 PM (#4638740)
Wiener deserves some criticism, let's not beatify the dead.

Never heard him arbitrate.
   28. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: January 14, 2014 at 02:24 PM (#4638747)
Wiener deserves some criticism, let's not beatify the dead.


Calcaterra wrote a nice piece for Hardball Talk today that kind of gets to this point. Paraphrasing from memory he said that A-Rod and lawyers weren't critical of Wiener the man or mocking his illness but being critical of his work as head of the MLBPA and that is fair game.
   29. Squash Posted: January 14, 2014 at 03:29 PM (#4638821)
hee came hee seop'd he choi'd

I think this at least ties Benji Gil Gamesh as my favorite BBTF player-pun handle.
   30. Squash Posted: January 14, 2014 at 03:34 PM (#4638828)
And as long as we're throwing around internet diagnoses, ARod doesn't strike me as a malignant narcissist or anything. He seems to me like a guy whose entire identity is being a baseball player, and he's going to do whatever it takes to remain a baseball player because it props up his entire view of himself. He doesn't have anything else.
   31. Bug Selig Posted: January 14, 2014 at 03:48 PM (#4638837)
Wiener deserves some criticism, let's not beatify the dead.


I'm glad somebody else said this. Weiner's position was that he best served the interests of his membership by cutting certain of his members loose. I wondered how he got away with it at the time, and am not surprised that it at least mildly offended the abandoned parties.

Mind you, I ask nobody to weep for Alex. He's a scumbag. But the fact that a whole new rulebook has been legitimized just to stick it to him is bad for all of the players. Not today, not tomorrow, but soon.
   32. Flynn Posted: January 14, 2014 at 04:03 PM (#4638859)
I'm glad somebody else said this. Weiner's position was that he best served the interests of his membership by cutting certain of his members loose. I wondered how he got away with it at the time, and am not surprised that it at least mildly offended the abandoned parties.

Mind you, I ask nobody to weep for Alex. He's a scumbag. But the fact that a whole new rulebook has been legitimized just to stick it to him is bad for all of the players. Not today, not tomorrow, but soon.


I agree with all of this, basically. I don't think Miller would have ever thrown A-Rod to the dogs like that. Weiner gave the appearance of being a very nice man who just didn't possess the unrepentant dedication to his constituents like Miller had. Weiner may thought this wasn't a battle worth fighting, but Miller would have understood that all battles with a Goliath like the MLB owners are worth fighting. Weiner and to a lesser extent Fehr, perhaps motivated by Congressional pressure, have decided that membership's anti-steroid views should carry the day. I think Miller would have convinced membership why their views were erroneous and how fighting MLB tooth and nail would be better for all players, including those who don't want steroids in the game.

I'm also rather troubled by Weiner's successor. I don't know what Weiner's role was in choosing Tony Clark, but as far as I see it an ex-player with no law degree is no choice to lead the players. Ex-pros like Steve Rogers, Mark Belanger, and Clark himself have served the players well, and there is always a role for former players in elucidating what issues are important to the players, but hitting a fastball is not a qualification to negotiate versus Rob Manfred. I know Clark has advisers with more experience in law and negotiating, but he has the final call.

That A-Rod's a jerk is totally beside the point.
   33. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 04:12 PM (#4638874)
I think Miller would have convinced membership why their views were erroneous and how fighting MLB tooth and nail would be better for all players, including those who don't want steroids in the game.

Why is this his job? Why should the union head be shaping his constituents interests rather than representing them.

I mean, there are pros and cons to being a very militant union. If the players choose to be less militant, that's their right.
   34. Spahn Insane Posted: January 14, 2014 at 04:20 PM (#4638883)
1. Consider the source
2. Apply "takes one to know one" standard
3. Put said source on ignore
4. Profit!


I'm still waiting on that last part. I must be doing it wrong.
   35. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 04:22 PM (#4638885)
#7 is brilliant. That is all.
   36. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: January 14, 2014 at 04:27 PM (#4638891)
Mind you, I ask nobody to weep for Alex. He's a scumbag. But the fact that a whole new rulebook has been legitimized just to stick it to him is bad for all of the players. Not today, not tomorrow, but soon.

Agree
   37. Flynn Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:00 PM (#4638929)
Why is this his job? Why should the union head be shaping his constituents interests rather than representing them.

I mean, there are pros and cons to being a very militant union. If the players choose to be less militant, that's their right.


Because the spirit of the times shouldn't endanger the future rights of future players, and part of leadership's job is to take a longer-term view and counsel membership against making a potentially unwise decision. It's why there's a leadership structure at all.
   38. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:37 PM (#4638963)
Why is this his job? Why should the union head be shaping his constituents interests rather than representing them.


ARod wanted to challenge the suspension within the structure that had been set up. Weiner thwarted that to some degree, by suggesting publicly that ARod was guilty, by disclosing his advice to ARod that ARod should take a deal based on the evidence Weiner saw, by not directing his union to stand up for the confidentiality provisions in the JDA, by standing idly by while MLB filed a bogus lawsuit in order to coerce a witness into testifying against one of the members.

A King Owner is very very bad for the players, and that is made no less so by the fact that the issue per se happens to involve steroids. The commissioner's powers have been greatly expanded due to the power yielded to the commissioner by Weiner over a decade, and now by Horowitz's ruling that first time offenders can be tagged for multiple suspension periods under the JDA, and that punishment can be meted out in part based on a vast definition of "obstruction" (that even per MLB's reasoning included the very fact that ARod took the position that he was not guilty), and that quite simply there was no sleazy tactic employed by MLB here that Horowitz found troubling or relevant.

The union is in a very bad spot right now, and it is the leadership's obligation (Tony Clark et al) to counsel them appropriately, not to vilify ARod.
   39. Ron J2 Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:39 PM (#4638966)
Flynn I don't precisely agree with you. I do agree that Miller would never have cut ARod adrift as Weiner seemed to. But while he absolutely would have attempted to convince the players that agreeing to testing (etc) was a bad idea, if (as seems fairly likely) he couldn't convince them of this he'd have done one of two things. Either resign or (far more likely IMO) get the best deal possible -- and spend the necessary time to draft an ironclad agreement. (and get membership buy in before signing)

And he'd literally never have agreed to reopen an agreement without a substantial concession from ownership.
   40. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 05:47 PM (#4638972)
and spend the necessary time to draft an ironclad agreement. (and get membership buy in before signing)


Right. Draft an agreement that clearly laid out the penalties. And be clear with membership that the penalties for doing X are Y.

Again, this agreement was so poorly drafted that something as basic as the punishment for a first offender who was caught using multiple substances -- not exactly a rare occurrence; in fact, it's quite common -- was not clearly spelled out.
   41. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: January 14, 2014 at 06:20 PM (#4638997)
Again, this agreement was so poorly drafted that something as basic as the punishment for a first offender who was caught using multiple substances -- not exactly a rare occurrence; in fact, it's quite common -- was not clearly spelled out.

Correct ... but that in turn weighs on how the union people advise clients players when they realize the ambiguity. Once they scoured the language and realized that MLB's theory was actually plausible, advising A-Rod to cut a deal was perfectly legitimate. A-Rod's own lawyers should have done the same thing, but they're shysters.

By the time the MLBPA had to face Biogenesis, the poor draftsmanship of the last CBA negotiations was a sunk cost.

A-Rod should have cut a deal long ago and saved himself the hassle, money, and massive damage to his reputation fighting everyone has resulted in.

   42. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 06:32 PM (#4639007)
SBB: Not sure what kind of a deal you think ARod could have cut. I seem to recall reading last night in the court papers that the best MLB offered ARod in a deal was 162 games. Which (presuming I'm not imagining that) would have been utterly foolish of him to take. Indeed, he lost big and STILL only ended up with that number.
   43. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: January 14, 2014 at 06:35 PM (#4639012)
SBB: Not sure what kind of a deal you think ARod could have cut. I seem to recall reading last night in the court papers that the best MLB offered ARod in a deal was 162 games. Which (presuming I'm not imagining that) would have been utterly foolish of him to take. Indeed, he lost big and STILL only ended up with that number.


He probably could have saved some lawyer money that way.
   44. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: January 14, 2014 at 06:35 PM (#4639013)
There were some leaks today suggesting that he could have got 50 games. Obviously he should have taken that if he could have got it. He should also have taken Braun's 65 if that was offered.

I agree that you litigate if 162 is the best offer. I doubt it was.
   45. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: January 14, 2014 at 06:38 PM (#4639015)
and that quite simply there was no sleazy tactic employed by MLB here that Horowitz found troubling or relevant.

The union is in a very bad spot right now, and it is the leadership's obligation (Tony Clark et al) to counsel them appropriately, not to vilify ARod.


The could start by doing what the Union never has (but the owners have at least 3 times)- can the Arbitrator, the have the right to do so, the MLB has exercised their right to do so, at the very least it would send a message that the Union is not rolling over- and I got to tell you, as an outsider it looks like the Union is rolling over, and if I think that I know the owners are smelling blood in the water, and this is no longer about PEDs it's gonna be about $.

As Bill James once wrote, when owners had the big hammer (the reserve clause) they used it again and again, without reflection or shame (the multi-generational/institutional hate that engendered in the players against the owners is part of why the MLBPA became so remarkably unified and strong), the owners may not now have a "big hammer" to match the old reserve clause, but they now have a source of leverage they didn't have a week ago, and they are going to use it. You don't think someone like Loria doesn't see that if he has a "problem" contract, that digging up dirt could be very beneficial to him? The arbitrator just looked at MLB conduct FAR worse than what got Steinbrenner suspended in 1990, and shrugged.
   46. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: January 14, 2014 at 06:43 PM (#4639017)
There were some leaks today suggesting that he could have got 50 games. Obviously he should have taken that if he could have got it. He should also have taken Braun's 65 if that was offered.


I'm reading that allegedly he was offered that before Bosch flipped.

One thing that could get really interesting, the Government is investigating Bosch, they have to be asking MLB and MLB investigators about what they have on Bosch. I would love to see a mass of criminal indictments, against Bosch, AROD, their Pals, maybe an MLB employee or two (Oh please God let Selig get subpoenaed...)
   47. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: January 14, 2014 at 06:43 PM (#4639018)
Agreed. Big test for the union on the Horowitz firing decision.

I'd have a back channel to the owners right now saying "Commit to a renegotiation of the loophole in the penalty language by Opening Day and we won't fire Horowitz. Otherwise he's out." If they say no, you know where you stand going into the next CBA negotiation. Obviously, you don't sign a new CBA until it's entirely firmed up and unambiguous.

   48. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 06:59 PM (#4639032)
What is funny is that if the union renegotiates to close the ARod Loophole created by Horowitz, (1) they get bad press -- although who cares -- and (2) ARod does end up looking like he got screwed.

Frankly I doubt the union has the stomach or the integrity to try to close the loophole.
   49. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: January 14, 2014 at 07:16 PM (#4639044)
The first thing the union has to do to fix this is say, "No settlements of PED suspension actions, period." It's either the specified time or its nothing and no one has any authority to say otherwise. That takes the leverage away from management and prevents the ludicrous result that people like M. Cabrera could walk away with 0 games for an actual second offense, while a first offender gets 162 (and that only after fighting 211).
   50. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: January 14, 2014 at 07:53 PM (#4639066)
(1) they get bad press -- although who cares -- and (2) ARod does end up looking like he got screwed.


you forgot to put "although who cares" after #2

I think part of the problem the MLBPA has (or thinks it has) is that ARod is such an "unsympathetic plaintiff" to use the lawyerly phrase, MLBPA needs or thinks they need a well-liked (or at least a not widely disliked) player to get screwed before they can do anything...
   51. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 14, 2014 at 08:42 PM (#4639102)
But as soon as a well-liked player gets screwed on the issue of PEDs, he will stop being well-liked. Even Derek Jeter would not get through the leaking of a test result that turned out to be a bona fide false positive with his saintly reputation intact. I suppose Mariano Rivera might.
   52. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: January 14, 2014 at 08:48 PM (#4639104)
But as soon as a well-liked player gets screwed on the issue of PEDs, he will stop being well-liked.


I'm not sure the MLBPA understands that.

   53. Jay Z Posted: January 14, 2014 at 09:41 PM (#4639126)
I am assuming that if the players' union had been around in 1920 they would have been against banning the spitball. Because banning the spitball requires possible discipline by management, and might hurt certain pitchers. Ray Chapman's widow just needs to suck it up.

Never mind that the use of the spitball doesn't bring one single extra dollar into the players' hands COLLECTIVELY. Individually, yes, certain pitchers did benefit from the spitball. But even if all of the spitball-heavy pitchers lost their jobs, they would be replaced by other pitchers paid at a commensurate rate. Plus, getting rid of the spitball improved worker safety.

PEDs are the exact same issue. Maybe ARod made more money by taking them, but he is just displacing some other player. PEDs are a management dream. Work for free that's dangerous to the employee. Why do you think they didn't care about them for so long.

If the union was or is truly taking the long view, then they should have found a graceful exit from the PED mess. Defending ARod and the PED users is the short view. That view means that the union is only about its membership at this exact moment, so PED users get defended because at this exact moment they're the union, or part of the union. That is short run, for an issue that hurts player safety while not putting one single more dollar in the players' pockets collectively.
   54. Squash Posted: January 14, 2014 at 10:04 PM (#4639141)
I'm not sure the MLBPA understands that.

Really? I think they absolutely understand that, which is extra dressing as to why they cut ARod loose. For better or worse, the wider baseball public does not like steroids in the game, especially at this point with the home run records having fallen and being perceived as tainted. The MLBPA, both for PR reasons and for constituency reasons (large portions of the MLBPA seem to support reducing steroid use in MLB), is not going to get behind steroid users in a big way at this point no matter who they are, unless MLB way oversteps their bounds (lifetime bans and such). At which point the MLBPA will be dragged into a fight it doesn't want to have because it's a lose-lose situation for them. They're not waiting for a popular player to get caught - they're hoping like hell a popular player doesn't get caught.
   55. Squash Posted: January 14, 2014 at 10:30 PM (#4639149)
If the union was or is truly taking the long view, then they should have found a graceful exit from the PED mess. Defending ARod and the PED users is the short view.

I was about to write the exact same thing but from a PR point of view. I don't think we account for the degree to which PEDs are a major long-term PR disaster for the MLBPA, since they're the ones have to defend players who use them against a wider public that doesn't want them in the product they're paying for. Or maybe we do, and the recent "PR doesn't matter!" BBTF meme is the lady protesting too much.

PR matters. For everyone. And everything. Especially famous entertainers operating in a very public forum. Negative PR affects everything. It affects your salary, it affects your endorsements, it affects your off the field opportunities, it affects your mental well-being.

The MLBPA as an organization isn't waiting around for an opportunity to zing MLB on steroids. What they want is to be out of the steroid business because nothing good comes out of it for them.
   56. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 10:42 PM (#4639154)
If the players en masse REALLY want a zero tolerance policy for steroids users, they can agree to a permanent suspension for a first offense of either use, possession, or "obstruction."

Somehow I'm not holding my breath that they would ever agree to this.

But this could be the new inverse of Rick Reilly asking Sosa to pee in a cup: let's ask Brad Ziegler to agree to retire and give all of his remaining salary back to the Diamondbacks if he is ever found to have used or possessed even a single time.

Does anyone seriously think he would agree?
   57. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 11:16 PM (#4639182)
Just found the section of ARod's complaint that discusses the deal I referenced. Seems that ONCE AROD FILED HIS GRIEVANCE, the best deal MLB would offer was 162. From page 40:

"[A]t all times when MLB discussed a potential settlement of the Grievance with Mr. Rodriguez, it insisted upon a 162 game suspension."

So perhaps MLB offered 50 games at some early point before they managed to pay off Bosch. I hadn't read that but it seems to be what Craig's reporting says.

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