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Mota supsended 50 games, drug violation

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caprules Posted: November 01, 2006 at 07:44 PM | 73 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. snakestl Posted: November 01, 2006 at 07:56 PM (#2229758)
Glad he wasn't suspended before Game 2 of the NLCS! Thanks, Guillermo!
   2. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 01, 2006 at 07:57 PM (#2229760)
Guillermo Mota's a punk? Gee, who would've guessed?
   3. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: November 01, 2006 at 07:59 PM (#2229763)
So, do all of Bonds' HR's against Mota count 100% now? If he has, in fact, hit any off of him. Gawd, but steroids are a drag, no?
   4. rr Posted: November 01, 2006 at 08:01 PM (#2229766)
See, DePo was just morally cleansing the Dodger clubhouse--it had nothing to with WARP or VORP or any of that crap. A user of steroids and a chaser of teenaged #####--gone.

The fact that Plaschke attacked this trade makes me think he should take random drug tests.
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 01, 2006 at 08:06 PM (#2229772)
The Mets should have an asterisk by their NL East Division Title.
   6. Rob Base Posted: November 01, 2006 at 08:10 PM (#2229776)
The Mets should have an asterisk by their NL East Division Title.

Nah, only by their pythagorean. The Mets win the division with or without Mota.
   7. Chris in Wicker Park Posted: November 01, 2006 at 08:10 PM (#2229777)
Baseball should have sentenced him to go a few rounds with Burnitz. I will always love Burnitz for trying to kill Mota for throwing at Piazza in a spring training game, no less.
   8. DTS Posted: November 01, 2006 at 08:17 PM (#2229783)
He took full responsibility? What a loser. Can't he at least blame it on a tainted Power Bar or something?

What percentage of these suspensions (majors and minors) have been pitchers? 75%?
   9. Tony H. Posted: November 01, 2006 at 08:20 PM (#2229785)
Guess that explains how he suddenly turned into a good pitcher when he went to the Mets.
   10. Raskolnikov Posted: November 01, 2006 at 08:20 PM (#2229786)
I always thought there was something suspicious about the guy. Anyone who would throw at Piazza couldn't be All-American in my book. I tried to warn Sam about Mota, but Sam was too weak ...
   11. Bob Koo Posted: November 01, 2006 at 08:30 PM (#2229791)
First, he costs us the World Championship, and now this. I despise the man.
   12. Bob Koo Posted: November 01, 2006 at 08:31 PM (#2229792)
Nice, he's a free agent. Good riddance.
   13. Old Matt Posted: November 01, 2006 at 08:32 PM (#2229794)
Omar will still sign him.
   14. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: November 01, 2006 at 08:33 PM (#2229796)
So much for giving Heilman a crack at the rotation next season.
   15. Kyle S Posted: November 01, 2006 at 08:36 PM (#2229797)
Guglielmo: it's not too late to save yourself! Why should you protect David Wright, the man who showed you the way with steroids and even injected them into your ass? He wouldn't protect you! Give him up, and everything will be just fine.
   16. Raskolnikov Posted: November 01, 2006 at 08:36 PM (#2229798)
Has anyone made Yadier Molina pee in a cup yet? He was definitely on something during the postseason.
   17. DCW3 Posted: November 01, 2006 at 08:38 PM (#2229801)
I blame Miguel Tejada.
   18. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: November 01, 2006 at 08:42 PM (#2229803)
Guglielmo: it's not too late to save yourself! Why should you protect David Wright, the man who showed you the way with steroids and even injected them into your ass? He wouldn't protect you! Give him up, and everything will be just fine.



Nice try...
   19. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: November 01, 2006 at 09:03 PM (#2229812)
This is a pretty big deal to the Mets offseason plans. It probably keeps Heilman in the bullpen as of right now.
   20. salvomania Posted: November 01, 2006 at 09:07 PM (#2229813)
Molina actually has a good stroke.

As a 22-yr-old rookie in '05, he had a decent .653 OPS, put the ball in play, and had 8 homers in a little over 400 PAs, leading many cardinal fans to think he could attain a .700 or better OPS in 2006, maybe break double digits with the homers. With his defense, that would've been a great season for a 23-yr-old catcher still afew years away from his prime.

In 2006, his average dropped 36 points, his walk rate dropped, his K rate increased, and he hit fewer HRs in more at-bats.

There are a lot of second-year players over the years who have had similar regressions.

I wasn't surprised to see Yadi hiiting well in the postseason; I was more surprised that he only hit .216 during the regular season. But he did hit 26 doubles, so the "gap power" he displayed in the postseason didn't come out of nowhere, and has he matures I really do expect him to put up numbers like .280/.330/.420.

Call me crazy.
   21. cardsfanboy Posted: November 01, 2006 at 09:27 PM (#2229829)
Ok, yes steroids are bad, but how come the owners end up getting away scott free in this little game?

How come the suspension didn't come out until after he declared himself a free agent? Is there any team that is going to sign this guy now? is his career officially over? if you are suspended that means any team that signs you has to put you on the 25 man roster and lose a spot for almost 2 months(I think--if I'm wrong forget the rest of this rant) So the owners are getting the benefit of having players play on roids, then when they get suspended the team doesn't get any punishment for having allowed such a player? How do the owners always find a way to shirk responsibility. At the very least, the team that a player played on when the test was administered should face a 10 game suspension(team choice of a player inserted) to kinda force them to police their own.

I know it won't ever happen, but man the owners keep getting away with not having to be responsible for anything.
   22. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: November 01, 2006 at 09:34 PM (#2229832)
Cardsfanboy: it costs a 40-man roster spot, but not a 25-man spot. Only on-field discipline results in a team having to play with a man down.
   23. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 01, 2006 at 09:38 PM (#2229833)
How come the suspension didn't come out until after he declared himself a free agent? Is there any team that is going to sign this guy now? is his career officially over?

This doesn't seem to stop NFL teams from signing players suspended for a quarter of the season for drug use.
   24. cardsfanboy Posted: November 01, 2006 at 09:40 PM (#2229835)
ok, well then it's not so bad, thinks for the info. I wasn't too sure how that worked. This means his career is not over. If it cost a 25 man spot his career would be over, I'm pretty sure.

I still think the owners get off too light in all of this, but it's not quite as insidious(sp) as I thought.
   25. cardsfanboy Posted: November 01, 2006 at 09:41 PM (#2229836)
This doesn't seem to stop NFL teams from signing players suspended for a quarter of the season for drug use.

football has about 53 roster spots, you can pretty much afford to have a couple of guys missing.
   26. Raskolnikov Posted: November 01, 2006 at 09:58 PM (#2229843)
This is a pretty big deal to the Mets offseason plans. It probably keeps Heilman in the bullpen as of right now.

You think so, Russlan? Mota's your classic accessory piece. Here are the options as I see it.

1) Do nothing. Can still trade Heilman. Feliciford as either secondary or primary set-up. Sanchez as the other set-up until he reestablishes himself as the 9th inning guy.

2) Kool-Aid. Easily can do the 7th inning role. In fact, before Mota fell into our laps, that was Omar's original plan.

3) Sift through the veteran pile yet again to find the next Kool-Aid 2007. In fact, I think Omar's getting turned on just thinking about the chance to do so again.

In the latest news, the Cubs are interested in Heilman as a starter. Yeah, I know, who would want a 28 yo average reliever? That makes at least 2 teams now who are clearly interested in Heilman.

If we can pry Pie or Patterson from Hendry, I'll still trade Heilman.
   27. AROM Posted: November 01, 2006 at 10:06 PM (#2229846)
and has he matures I really do expect him to put up numbers like .280/.330/.420.

Call me crazy.


Not crazy at all. His brothers were nowhere near the majors at Yadier's age. I think he's going to surpass Bengie as a hitter, and Bengie's been a pretty good one. He'll be a tremendously valuable player unless he lets himself go and his defense falls apart just as his bat matures.

I don't know much but I do know my Molina brothers.
   28. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: November 01, 2006 at 10:09 PM (#2229850)
how come the owners end up getting away scott free in this little game?

Hmm, maybe it's 'cause they, you know, *own* the teams?
   29. Raskolnikov Posted: November 01, 2006 at 10:11 PM (#2229852)
Molina actually has a good stroke.

As a 22-yr-old rookie in '05, he had a decent .653 OPS, put the ball in play, and had 8 homers in a little over 400 PAs, leading many cardinal fans to think he could attain a .700 or better OPS in 2006, maybe break double digits with the homers. With his defense, that would've been a great season for a 23-yr-old catcher still afew years away from his prime.

In 2006, his average dropped 36 points, his walk rate dropped, his K rate increased, and he hit fewer HRs in more at-bats.

There are a lot of second-year players over the years who have had similar regressions.

I wasn't surprised to see Yadi hiiting well in the postseason; I was more surprised that he only hit .216 during the regular season. But he did hit 26 doubles, so the "gap power" he displayed in the postseason didn't come out of nowhere, and has he matures I really do expect him to put up numbers like .280/.330/.420.

Call me crazy.


I like my explanation better. 'Roids.
   30. Joshemy Posted: November 01, 2006 at 10:14 PM (#2229855)
This could possibly explain his second half goodness.

I also disagree with Matt. I think this does him in as a Met. And hopefully so... never ever liked the guy.
   31. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: November 01, 2006 at 10:20 PM (#2229856)
Why did this come out now? It is my understanding that they don't test during the off-season, so what did they do, take a sample during Game 7 of the NLCS? I highly doubt that, and if it was any time before then, why wasn't this released immediately and Mota suspended? Oh, because MLB doesn't want to taint the playoffs. Silly me.
   32. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: November 01, 2006 at 10:25 PM (#2229859)
Silly Nate, there's always been a fairly long lag between when the tests are done and when the suspensions are meted out. I think it may actually be codified in the testing agreement -- mandatory notice and response procedures or some such.
   33. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: November 01, 2006 at 10:26 PM (#2229860)
Why did this come out now? It is my understanding that they don't test during the off-season, so what did they do, take a sample during Game 7 of the NLCS? I highly doubt that, and if it was any time before then, why wasn't this released immediately and Mota suspended? Oh, because MLB doesn't want to taint the playoffs. Silly me.
Look, I don't deny the possibility of a conspiracy to hide it during the playoffs, but I don't understand why you think this is necessarily the case.

Who says it wasn't released immediately? There's a time delay between taking the sample and finding out the results. If Mota happened to get randomly selected for testing towards the end of the season, then it would come out about now. Someone has to be tested in September, after all -- or players would feel free to use during the last month of the season.
   34. DCW3 Posted: November 01, 2006 at 10:31 PM (#2229865)
What Yadier really needs to do is lose some weight. His BABIP last year was a remarkably low .227, which I think is less a fluke than a product of the fact that it takes him an hour and a half to run to first base. He's never going to be Vince Coleman, but he'd pick up a few more singles if he wasn't so fat.
   35. greenback calls it soccer Posted: November 01, 2006 at 10:35 PM (#2229870)
I like my explanation better. 'Roids.

I like the Molina multiplexing theory better.

What Yadier really needs to do is lose some weight.

What he needs is bat speed.
   36. Spahn Insane Posted: November 01, 2006 at 10:39 PM (#2229875)
His BABIP last year was a remarkably low .227

Is that '05, or '06? 'Cause it would indeed be amazing if he hit .227 on balls in play, and still managed to hit .216 overall (as he did in '06).
   37. DCW3 Posted: November 01, 2006 at 10:41 PM (#2229877)
Is that '05, or '06? 'Cause it would indeed be amazing if he hit .227 on balls in play, and still managed to hit .216 overall (as he did in '06).

That's 2006. I'm excluding home runs from BABIP.
   38. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: November 01, 2006 at 10:43 PM (#2229878)
Silly Nate, there's always been a fairly long lag between when the tests are done and when the suspensions are meted out. I think it may actually be codified in the testing agreement -- mandatory notice and response procedures or some such.


That's a fine explanation, but what are these timeframes? Has the actual fail date of a test ever been announced? If not, I'm not sure how you could tell there was such a large lag, unless there is specific language in the CBA as to timelines. I suppose that's my own fault for not looking it up before jumping on MLB.
   39. schuey Posted: November 02, 2006 at 12:08 AM (#2229917)
The secret of Rick Petersen and Billy Beane's success. Whatever happened to winning the honorable way, like Kenny Rogers and Mike Scott?
   40. greenback calls it soccer Posted: November 02, 2006 at 12:10 AM (#2229918)
Whatever happened to winning the honorable way, like Kenny Rogers and Mike Scott?

Did you see Mota's cap?
   41. Flynn Posted: November 02, 2006 at 12:12 AM (#2229920)
He'll be a tremendously valuable player unless he lets himself go and his defense falls apart just as his bat matures.

Considering he's a Molina, that's a genuine concern.

What he needs is bat speed.

Weight loss helps that, no?
   42. Шĥy Posted: November 02, 2006 at 12:22 AM (#2229926)
He should also stop waxing his eyebrows. He might end up on the Arod path.
   43. cardsfanboy Posted: November 02, 2006 at 12:22 AM (#2229927)
That's a fine explanation, but what are these timeframes? Has the actual fail date of a test ever been announced? If not, I'm not sure how you could tell there was such a large lag, unless there is specific language in the CBA as to timelines. I suppose that's my own fault for not looking it up before jumping on MLB.

not exactly how accurate I am, but I thought that Palmiero was told of his failure in june and he didn't exhaust the appeal process until august.(just going on probably faulty memory)
   44. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: November 02, 2006 at 12:28 AM (#2229932)
He's no longer a Hall of Famer in my book.
   45. Rob Base Posted: November 02, 2006 at 12:33 AM (#2229935)
He's a Hall of Fame Assclown in my book.
   46. Sam M. Posted: November 02, 2006 at 12:34 AM (#2229936)
I always thought there was something suspicious about the guy. Anyone who would throw at Piazza couldn't be All-American in my book. I tried to warn Sam about Mota, but Sam was too weak ...

Now that I'm done cleaning up the barf on my laptop . . . .

Do I resist the temptation to go all "I told you so" on the wages of not respecting your team's history and karma??? Nah; why both? I TOLD YOU SO!!! This #### should never have worn a Met uni in the first place. One can only hope he goes on Fred Wilpon's Benson List, a/k/a the "Omar, get him out and never let him back in again, period, list."

IMO, this clearly DOES affect the Mets' off-season plans. With Sanchez a question mark coming back from surgery, and Mota now an absolute off-limits to ever return under any circumstances, Heilman is the only reliable quality RHP for the late innings they've got. They can't trade him unless they acquire someone else first, and they can't move him to rotation. So that certainly alters any thinking they might have had re. Heilman.

The Mota Months. I will work hard to forget he ever played for the Mets. He's right at the top of the list of my all-time least favorite Mets, and I'm proud to say that was true even before I knew he was a cheater AND a punk.
   47. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: November 02, 2006 at 12:34 AM (#2229937)
Nicely done, OneAlou.
   48. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: November 02, 2006 at 12:40 AM (#2229946)
I posted this in another thread but this one seems to be getting more traffic.

This info is from SOSH. If a team signs a "Type A" free agent, they give up their first round pick to the team that formerly employed that player only if that team offered arbitration to that player. If a team signs a "Type B" free agent, they don't give up anything but the team that formerly employed that player gets a pick between the first and second rounds if they offered that player arbitration.

Chad Bradford, RHP A
Cliff Floyd, OF A
Roberto Hernandez, RHP A
Guillermo Mota, RHP B
Darren Oliver, LHP B
Jose Valentin, 2B B
Orlando Hernandez, RHP B

The Mets need to decide to whom they will offer arbitration. Here are my thoughts:

Bradford: It's a no-brainer to offer Bradford arbitration. He's going to get more on the open market than he is from arbitration so there's no chance he will accept.

Floyd: I wouldn't offer arbitration. He'd probably accept and get more than he's worth.

Kool-Aid: I'd offer arbitration. Say what you want about Kool-Aid but he's pitched well as a Met the last two seasons. Mike Timlin got 2.8 million from the Red Sox for the 2007 season and that seems about what Kool-Aid would get in arb. That's not a vast overpayment for a pitcher who should be solid contributor.

Mota: Steroid suspension makes this a no-brainer to not offer.

Oliver: He'll get more than he's worth in arbitration. Not worth the risk.

Valentin: No brainer to offer him arbitration.

El Duque: No brainer to offer him arbitration.
   49. Raskolnikov Posted: November 02, 2006 at 12:57 AM (#2229962)
He's a Hall of Fame ######## in my book.

Now that I'm done cleaning up the barf on my laptop . . . .

Do I resist the temptation to go all "I told you so" on the wages of not respecting your team's history and karma??? Nah; why both? I TOLD YOU SO!!! This #### should never have worn a Met uni in the first place. One can only hope he goes on Fred Wilpon's Benson List, a/k/a the "Omar, get him out and never let him back in again, period, list."

....

The Mota Months. I will work hard to forget he ever played for the Mets. He's right at the top of the list of my all-time least favorite Mets, and I'm proud to say that was true even before I knew he was a cheater AND a punk.


Tell us how you really feel, Rob, Sam.

The anger, the anger.


IMO, this clearly DOES affect the Mets' off-season plans. With Sanchez a question mark coming back from surgery, and Mota now an absolute off-limits to ever return under any circumstances, Heilman is the only reliable quality RHP for the late innings they've got. They can't trade him unless they acquire someone else first, and they can't move him to rotation. So that certainly alters any thinking they might have had re. Heilman.



I hope not. C'mon, Mota was the freaking 7th inning guy. We loaded with them. Feliciford is just as reliable as Heilman. And we still have Padilla and Sanchez. There's also Bell and Owens. Finally, we have Omar's magical find-a-diamond-in-the-dumpster skills.

I'm afraid that Omar and Willie think more along your lines - that somehow this 8th inning role is so crucial that we can't move Heilman under any circumstance. There are already 3 teams (Bos, TB, Chicago-N) that are interested in him. I say we move him this winter when we should be able to get a good player back.
   50. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: November 02, 2006 at 01:00 AM (#2229963)
CFB,

Rafael Palmeiro Suspended

According to this link, baseball would not reveal the failed drug test date.
   51. Raskolnikov Posted: November 02, 2006 at 01:03 AM (#2229964)
Floyd: I wouldn't offer arbitration. He'd probably accept and get more than he's worth.

Russlan, agree with all of your other decisions. This one I would offer. Floyd's stats were crap last year, he's not going to win much in arbitration. I think he can get a better offer (incentive-laden) on the open market, which would be great for us. On the other hand, we could certainly use him for a one year commitment. If he takes the offer, we'd try to peddle Shawn Green off to Pittsburgh or somewhere else.
   52. cardsfanboy Posted: November 02, 2006 at 01:08 AM (#2229968)
Russlan, agree with all of your other decisions. This one I would offer. Floyd's stats were crap last year, he's not going to win much in arbitration. I think he can get a better offer (incentive-laden) on the open market, which would be great for us. On the other hand, we could certainly use him for a one year commitment. If he takes the offer, we'd try to peddle Shawn Green off to Pittsburgh or somewhere else.


I believe arbitatrion rules require no less than a 20% pay decrease, he would still be getting 6mil a year. It's why you don't offer him arby. because he isn't going to get a better deal on the market, so he'll take you up on it. (maddux screwed the braves one year that way)
   53. Rob Base Posted: November 02, 2006 at 01:13 AM (#2229972)


I believe arbitatrion rules require no less than a 20% pay decrease, he would still be getting 6mil a year. It's why you don't offer him arby. because he isn't going to get a better deal on the market, so he'll take you up on it. (maddux screwed the braves one year that way)


Ah yes, the time of year where poster after poster mistakenly insist that a free agent cannot get more than a 20% pay cut in arbitration. Christmas is just around the corner.
   54. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: November 02, 2006 at 01:14 AM (#2229974)
Shawn Green isn't going anywhere. He's got a NTC.

Rask, I'm not against re-signing Floyd. The guy is still quite the player when he's healthy. That said, if he does sign, I'd want it to be an incentive based deal.
   55. greenback calls it soccer Posted: November 02, 2006 at 01:17 AM (#2229978)
Ah yes, the time of year where poster after poster mistakenly insist that a free agent cannot get more than a 20% pay cut in arbitration. Christmas is just around the corner.

At least I can beat Greg Maddux to the punch. From XX.B.3 of the Basic Agreement that expires this year:

If the Player accepts the offer to arbitrate, he shall be a signed player for the next season and the parties will conduct a salary arbitration proceeding under Article VI, provided, however, that the rules concerning maximum salary reduction set forth in Article VI shall be inapplicable and the parties shall be required to exchange figures on the last day established for the exchange of salary arbitration figures under Article VI.
   56. cardsfanboy Posted: November 02, 2006 at 01:18 AM (#2229981)
instead of being your typical ass, why don't you provide something to the conversation and clarify the rule then...
   57. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 02, 2006 at 01:20 AM (#2229983)
"Anyway, I know this will sound controversial but does anybody else not think it a coincidence that the sudden and dramatic proliferation of players hailing from San Pedro de Macoris, with a total population of roughly 250,000, roughly coincide with the advent of widespread usage of steroids in major league baseball?"

I think that's a little aggressive, given the level of evidence so far. If I'm scanning the list correctly, as things stand we've only got good hard evidence of two San Pedrans as users (Mota and Manny Alexander), plus rumors about a third (Sammy Sosa). Given the number of players from the town, that's probably pretty close to what you'd expect.
   58. Raskolnikov Posted: November 02, 2006 at 01:26 AM (#2229990)
"Anyway, I know this will sound controversial but does anybody else not think it a coincidence that the sudden and dramatic proliferation of players hailing from San Pedro de Macoris, with a total population of roughly 250,000, roughly coincide with the advent of widespread usage of steroids in major league baseball?"

I think that's a little aggressive, given the level of evidence so far. If I'm scanning the list correctly, as things stand we've only got good hard evidence of two San Pedrans as users (Mota and Manny Alexander), plus rumors about a third (Sammy Sosa). Given the number of players from the town, that's probably pretty close to what you'd expect.


First, I don't know which is scarier: That there have been 3+ major league ballplayers recently out of a town of 250,000. Or that Vlad actually know the names of these 3 ballplayers off the top of his head.

Second, that's great news - the town's citizens are finally taking their vitamins.
   59. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: November 02, 2006 at 01:29 AM (#2229994)
CFB, what base means to say is that the 20% rule is for players with less than six years of service time. It does not apply to free agents.

I know this will sound controversial but does anybody else not think it a coincidence that the sudden and dramatic proliferation of players hailing from San Pedro de Macoris, with a total population of roughly 250,000, roughly coincide with the advent of widespread usage of steroids in major league baseball?

Well, first I'd ask whether it really does coincide. I thought that the influx started in the 1970's. Juaquin Andujar and Pedro Guerrerro for instance. Rico Carty was a decade earlier. Anyway, I always kind of assumed that anyone in the DR who had any baseball skill moved to San Pedro de Macoris. It never made any sense that so many elite athletes could come from the same small city, no matter waht they might be putting in the water.
   60. cardsfanboy Posted: November 02, 2006 at 01:31 AM (#2229995)
CFB, what base means to say is that the 20% rule is for players with less than six years of service time. It does not apply to free agents.


not really what base meant to say is he's an ass, what greenback06 said is that second part.
   61. Rob Base Posted: November 02, 2006 at 01:33 AM (#2229998)


not really what base meant to say is he's an ass, what greenback06 said is that second part.


Aw, cardsfanboy's feelings are hurt so he's calling names. And not making much sense when he's trying to form sentences. All is right in the world.
   62. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: November 02, 2006 at 01:34 AM (#2229999)
As a Dodger fan, "Ha!"
   63. Brian Posted: November 02, 2006 at 01:35 AM (#2230001)
Interesting theory Kevin. If SPDM was a college program that was putting the same proportion of players in the majors all of a sudden, especially with a few alumni getting caught, we'd be asking some questions.
   64. Guapo Posted: November 02, 2006 at 01:37 AM (#2230003)
A list of all players from S.P.d.M. can be found <url=http://www.baseball-reference.com/bio/D-R-_born.shtml>here.</url>
   65. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: November 02, 2006 at 01:47 AM (#2230006)
23 players from SPDM made their major league debuts in 2006. That's mind boggling.
   66. Sparkles Peterson Posted: November 02, 2006 at 01:51 AM (#2230008)
The sad thing is that Yadier Molina really isn't fat. He could stand to be a little leaner, but looking at his brothers I'm afraid he's likely to go the other way, and he's going to be even slower when that happens.
   67. Raskolnikov Posted: November 02, 2006 at 02:36 AM (#2230032)
I always kind of assumed that anyone in the DR who had any baseball skill moved to San Pedro de Macoris. It never made any sense that so many elite athletes could come from the same small city, no matter waht they might be putting in the water. 23 players from SPDM made their major league debuts in 2006. That's mind boggling.

I know where my future little boys are going to be spending their summer vacations.
   68. Cooper Nielson Posted: November 02, 2006 at 03:34 AM (#2230048)
23 players from SPDM made their major league debuts in 2006. That's mind boggling.

Huh? More like 4. Guapo's link is for the entire Dominican Republic. The name of the city is on the far right.
   69. Anonymous Observer Posted: November 02, 2006 at 03:43 AM (#2230052)
What he needs is bat speed.

Unless he's hitting changeups from Aaron Heilman...

AO
   70. chris p Posted: November 02, 2006 at 03:49 AM (#2230056)
Anyway, I know this will sound controversial but does anybody else not think it a coincidence that the sudden and dramatic proliferation of players hailing from San Pedro de Macoris, with a total population of roughly 250,000, roughly coincide with the advent of widespread usage of steroids in major league baseball?

hey that's where robinson cano's from!
   71. chris p Posted: November 02, 2006 at 03:50 AM (#2230057)
also, josias manzanillo ... but i think he gets the mike lowell exception.
   72. WalkOffIBB Posted: November 02, 2006 at 02:26 PM (#2230174)
Well, first I'd ask whether it really does coincide. I thought that the influx started in the 1970's. Juaquin Andujar and Pedro Guerrerro for instance. Rico Carty was a decade earlier. Anyway, I always kind of assumed that anyone in the DR who had any baseball skill moved to San Pedro de Macoris. It never made any sense that so many elite athletes could come from the same small city, no matter waht they might be putting in the water.

Looks to me like the initial premise of a sudden and dramatic proliferation is false. Looking at B-R, there are, by my count, 68 players who were born in San Pedro de Macoris, including George bell and Tony Fernandez. While this count does not include anyone who moved there or anyone who moved away, it does show that the city has a long history of producing MLB players. based on my quick review, any influx appears be have started in the late 60's - early 70's time frame.

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