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Tuesday, July 16, 2013
Will Yankee Stadium security guards see George Steinbrenner’s ghost soon?
. . . I tweeted that the Yankee Stadium parking garage bonds were likely one of the most corrupt muniland deals ever.
I might have said this because the bonds had defaulted. Or because the $238 million of bonds were unrated. Or it might have had something to do with the issuer of the bonds, the Bronx Parking Development, being a couple working out of their home in Hudson, New York, who had defaulted on two previous municipal bond deals structured in the very same way. Or maybe I said this because, in the event of a default, the deal allowed the bondholders to take control of extremely valuable public land and convert it to use for private gain. This fourth explanation actually prompted my opinion of the deal.
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1. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: July 16, 2013 at 09:01 AM (#4495560)Maybe it's time for Mike Stanton to retire.
Or just start going by Giancarlo.
Edit: Dammit.
May your site be infested with opinionated know-nothing millenials!
Thats why you should buy Rants Mullinik's Aluminum Protective Headware (TM), for the low-low price of $49.99. Rants has crafted thin layers of alumninum into a form-fitting hat that will protect you from the transmissions of evil "Governments" and the Jews.
Really? You think the idea that corruption is endemic in todays government institutions?
Right now in the US close to 30% of all GDP is directly controlled and spent by the state/local/federal government. Through law and regulation they control or direct a significant amount of the remaining 70%. You don't see the massive incentives to bribe, er, lobby career politicians and bureaucrats to award/divert even a tiny fraction of those amounts, since a tiny fraction amounts to more money than you or I could spend in a lifetime?
Every person who mentally associates themselves with a political party believes that it's only the "other guys" who lie, cheat and steal, and they are always only half right.
Oh, hell no. The large majority of politicians, of every party, are guilty of some sort of corruption. I associate with the party that is the lesser of the two evils.
???
really, I had you pegged as a Republican...
I think there is plenty of corruption in government, particularly in state and local. I don't think its "par for the course", and I think any fool that believes that (and Rants is a conspiracy-theory-peddling fool) should spend some time in a truly corrupt place to get a flavor for what that's like.
I used to associate myself with the party that is for limited government until they got control of the wheels of power and became directly responsible for most of that massive increase in government spending.
How close is he to Texas? Louisiana? (Insert choice of other 48 states or District of Columbia here)?
Unintentionally hilarious.
Explain please. I could use a laugh today.
I think there's a fair amount of corruption and legal quid pro quo that goes on, but I disagree strongly with the idea that it's unique to western governments or to today.
If by "truly corrupt" you mean envelopes of cash, third world traffic stops, etc, I'd agree that it's not par for the course. Compared to other nations, it's pretty hard to bribe Americans in that blunt, Huey Long style.
But in America, our corruption is legal, open, and massive: campaign contributions. If the definition is expanded to include that, and I believe it should be, then corruption is deeply endemic in America. Not par for the course but rather a double eagle or hole in one.
Damn that quote makes me miss John Brattain....
Government based on a person (King, Emperor, Chief, so forth) generally are incredibly corrupt. Basically once you move past societies that contain 3 mud huts it gets corrupt in a hurry.
Of course. But, it may be getting worse, and it's getting involved in an ever increasing share of the economy.
So going back to past threads, if Dick Allen had a circumcision, he'd be less of a prick?
The current system is a mess, but it's so much better than it once was.
I've worked most of my life in local government, and I've never personally seen anything that could be interpreted as corruption. Maybe there is such activity higher up the food chain, but not for us peons...
The Yankees' proximity may actually be good, as it brings more attention to a shady deal, whereas a similar one for XYZ Corp. down the street would not.
Almost did a spit-take on this. Local government is rife with personal fiefdoms and abuse of power to settle personal grudges.
Maybe a low or mid-level office worker won't see any graft. But kick-backs on contracts are fairly common. When I was in HS our school district (a very wealthy suburban district) lost $1.6M b/c the Asst. Superintendent placed the money with a manager not on the approved list. He was never convicted, but it was clear he was in bed with the manager. Why else would one deviate from the approved list to patronize a no-name fund?
Just guessing - not from Chicago? Or New Jersey? Louisiana? The District of Columbia?
I think it depends on where you are. Local government here in Madison - no signs of it. City of Milwaukee has had its share of problems, most recently former Alderman Michael McGee, Jr. who had two drivers' licenses and a habit of extorting business owners for supporting liquor license applications. His wikipedia page is surprisingly thorough, and pretty entertaining. He also signed his own recall petition, and then claimed the organizers lied to him about what it was. If you were going to make a television series about Milwaukee like The Wire, he would certainly be a character.
Odd that a state capitol would be free of corruption.
Washington state.
Don't leave out New York. About half our City Council has been caught establishing fake charities to embezzle City grants. Not to mention the guys who tried to literally sell (for cash) the Republican nomination for mayor to a Democratic colleague.
State government is a different beast. (Also, I said "signs" of corruption - I don't know what goes on underneath locally.) Here's a brief profile of a former state senator with a colorful history. Wisconsin legislators tend to be urban do-gooders, Tea Party folks, or pro-business Republicans, none of which seem the sort to do something illegal. They make their money the old fashioned way - contributions from lobbyists and constituents.
Of course, the state has set aside a pile of money for business subsidies with an intentionally opaque process and a special agency. In the wrong hands, that could clearly be used as a slush fund.
Does another spit take.
Let me narrow "something illegal" down to "be actively corrupt." They have done things like make laws that are probably unconstitutional, pass pandering social legislation and any number of cringe-worthy things. There hasn't been any indication that they are on the take.
When the you can grow up to be a "lobbyist" and never be out of work, you live in a corrupt society. When you live in one of the most resource-rich countries on earth and 20% of your children live in poverty, you live in a corrupt society.
Zop, you can call me crazy and a fool all you want, I honestly don't care as you narrow minded opinion means absolutely nothing to me, but I would appreciate it if you didn't insinuate that I'm anti-Semitic. That's pretty low, even for you.
It seems like you're using "corrupt" as a synonym for "bad."
I think you're selling him short.
That has more to do with the behaviors of their parents than the corruption of Gov't. Though mant corrupt politicians benefit from having a dependent underclass.
When you live in a supposed democracy (and I know the US is a republic, let's not get hung up on semantics) corruption is required to divert all of the wealth the country produces to the very few. The average net worth of a Congress member is almost $7 million, and a Senator almost $12 million. If that's not direct evidence of corruption I don't know what is. Obviously you would expect their net worth to be higher than that of the general population, but when multimillionaires are in control of who gets what, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that the economic gap between the rich and the poor is accelerating.
In most cases they are already rich when they get there.
Getting a civil servant job based on a personal connection
Getting a civil service promotion by working after hours for your boss's re-election. Or getting canned because you didn't.
Awarding contracts to campaign contributors, or their friends (done that way intentionally to avoid the appearance of corruption)
Accepting contributions from public employee unions and voting huge pensions for those unions
Accepting contributions funneled through "consultants" which is extremely common
Accepting dinner of golf rounds or hookers or ballgame tickets from people with an interest in public funds
I find many of your conspiracy theories have many of the zesty features of classic anti-semitic conspiracy thinking. You're the finest of lines away from blaming the interest rate cabal. So why not call it what is, shall we?
Lke Jon Corzine in bed with the manager, or merely "in bed with the manager"?
Lke Jon Corzine in bed with the manager, or merely "in bed with the manager"?
Purely financial. I hope.
I do not know who he was in bed with, but the investors surely got farcked.
I always thought New Brunswick, but who can say?
Like Jon Corzine in bed with the manager, or merely "in bed with the manager"?
Purely financial. I hope.
He only dipped his beak in enough to get wet.
We live in the wealthiest time in history. Likely it is the least violent time in history. People are healthier and live longer than they ever have and are better educated. The present is bright and the future brighter still.
None of that matters to many though, DOOM! DOOM I say. The world is falling apart and things were much better in my youth, numbers be damned.
There is a sport that just died. Even Horse Racing and Tennis have surpased it (to say nothing of NASCAR and various other fighting sports). I think the lack of any real organizational body has done it in, but that is a total guess on my part.
This. Many times over, this.
I'm not defending corruption - nor am I saying it doesn't exist - but relative to even modern history?
Even in places where it's still a problem - saying this as a Chicago resident - it's nowhere near the same scale it once was.
Heck, the most recent local corruption scandal is basically about the IL House Speaker lobbying the Regional Transportation Board head to give a raise to a staffer that had also worked on Madigan's (the IL House Speaker) campaign. The raise was denied and the staffer quit. In addition, the now-former head had also denied a couple of hiring requests from other politicos. The RTA head resigned/was forced out - and given a 6 figure severance that looks like hush money.
Now... none of that is good... but even just 30 years ago? The staffer who got denied a raise wouldn't have actually BEEN working - he'd have been a ghost payroller and the other two hiring requests wouldn't have actually BEEN hiring requests, they probably would have just been given big stipends out of a shadowy slush fund.
You can even take Blago and George Ryan -- I'm not defending any of their actions, either -- but you don't have to go back too far in IL gubernatorial history to find far worse than the crimes they committed (or in Blago's case, attempted to commit).
By all means, investigate, prosecute, report... but let's not pretend the problem is worse than ever/out of control.
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