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Thursday, March 24, 2011

Murray Chass on Baseball: STAN MUSIAL NO MAN OF HONOR, MR. PRESIDENT

This is more outrageous than Borrah Minevitch and his Harmonica Rascals complete career!

With the economy and international turmoil, President Obama has enough headaches; he doesn’t need any more. But his staff has created one for him with its failure to investigate fully the career and life of Stan Musial before recommending him for a Presidential Medal of Freedom that Obama bestowed on him last month.

It turns out that the 90-year-old Musial is not the Saint Stan he is considered in St. Louis. For sure, Musial remains the great player he was in his Hall of Fame career and deserves all of the accolades he has received for his achievements in that career.

As a person, however, he left much to be desired. Marvin Miller raised the issue in a recent conversation and provided the evidence to make his case. It is a convincing one.

...“Curt Flood organized this group of African-American players,” Miller related, “He got together a group that had known Musial as a teammate and they thought it was appropriate that they should go. As he said to me, ‘We didn’t always dress up but that night we did. We wore freshly pressed pants, shirts, ties, jackets and off we went to help celebrate with our former teammate.

“When we got to the restaurant, the maitre d’ refused to seat us,” Flood told Miller.

“He said they wanted to know why that was,” Miller continued, “and the maître d’ finally pointed around the restaurant and said, ‘Do you see any black faces here?’ Flood said he asked ‘Is this your idea?’ No, he said. The owner had given him instructions. They left.”

Repoz Posted: March 24, 2011 at 04:45 PM | 271 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   201. An Athletic in Powderhorn™ Posted: March 25, 2011 at 07:01 AM (#3777944)
Chass: DENNIS MARTINEZ'S SECRET NICARAGUAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE
   202. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: March 25, 2011 at 10:57 AM (#3777959)
Chass: SAY IT AIN'T SO, HARRY! : JODY DAVIS PEERS SPEAK OUT
   203. simon bedford Posted: March 25, 2011 at 11:40 AM (#3777968)
Chass: DUROCHER BEATEN OFTEN BY DO GOODERS
   204. BrianBrianson Posted: March 25, 2011 at 11:46 AM (#3777969)
Chass: I HAVE TO USE THE BATHROOM, MR. PRESIDENT
   205. Guapo Posted: March 25, 2011 at 11:51 AM (#3777971)
Chass: PASS THE BLOGGER STIMULUS BILL NOW, MR. PRESIDENT
   206. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: March 25, 2011 at 12:14 PM (#3777978)
Chass: BELL NOT UNDER COVERS BEFORE ROOM GOT DARK
   207. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: March 25, 2011 at 12:15 PM (#3777980)
Chass: FEAR DIDN'T STRIKE OUT, PIERSALL DID
   208. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: March 25, 2011 at 12:23 PM (#3777983)
Chass: JIM CREIGHTON: EFFING PU$SY
Chass: MIGUEL AND JOSE AGUILAR: SECRET GAY LOVERS
Chass: RMc: DOESN'T REALIZE THIS STOPPED BEING FUNNY ABOUT 50 POSTS AGO
   209. BrianBrianson Posted: March 25, 2011 at 12:24 PM (#3777985)
Chass: DISTRIBUTING KISSES DOES NOT MAKE YOU A BANDIT, MORGANNA
   210. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 25, 2011 at 12:49 PM (#3777988)
Chass: BASEBALL'S BAD BOY - DALE MURPHY
Chass: WHY DAVE DRAVECKY IS A QUITTER
Chass: LET THEM PLAY MR. SELIG! (dated September 12, 2001)
   211. DA Baracus Posted: March 25, 2011 at 12:59 PM (#3777994)
Chass: JACK BUCK DOES NOT THINK WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE
   212. Bob Evans Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:02 PM (#3777995)
Chass: EVERLEIGH SISTERS SAY, "MORE LIKE 'MUSHROOM CAP' ANSON," IF YOU ASK US
Chass: GEHRIG HAS ONLY HIMSELF TO BLAME
Chass: I TOLD MILLER HUGGINS IF HE KEPT PICKING AT IT, IT WOULD GET WORSE
   213. My Grate Friend Peason's pants are rankled Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:15 PM (#3778000)
Chass: BRIAN BANNISTER – BORING, SHITTY PITCHER
Chass: CHONE FIGGINS – ACTUALLY A FIRST BASEMAN
Chass: LIZ TAYLOR – MEGAN FOX IS HOTTER
   214. Tim McCarver's Orange Marmalade Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:16 PM (#3778001)
Chass: JACKIE ROBINSON WAS REALLY WHITE AND A MEMBER OF KKK, SAYS MILLER
   215. Tim McCarver's Orange Marmalade Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:22 PM (#3778003)
CHASS: ROY HOBBS WAS ON THE JUICE, NO MAN OF HONOR
CHASS: SELL THE FARM RAY, NO ONE WILL COME
   216. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:42 PM (#3778009)
CHASS: HARRY CARAY DID CARE IF HE EVER GOT BACK.
   217. DanG Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:50 PM (#3778016)
Chass: IT'S 'CHASS', AS IN CHASTISED
   218. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:54 PM (#3778019)
Chass: CONSECO'S SELFISH ACT JEOPARDIZES SOFTBALL GRUDGE MATCH
   219. WillYoung Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:59 PM (#3778020)
Chass: RICHIE PHILLIPS, GREAT STRATEGIST
Chass: VIN SCULLY PREDICTED GIBSON HOMER IN PRESS BOX
Chass: AL HRABOSKY ACTUALLY ROMANIAN
   220. bobm Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:59 PM (#3778021)
Chass: "DUKE" SNIDER ACTUALLY NOT DESCENDED FROM NOBILITY
   221. depletion Posted: March 25, 2011 at 02:03 PM (#3778024)
Chass: ROSE'S LEGACY TARNISHED BY SHORT CAREER, LACK OF HUSTLE.
   222. Guapo Posted: March 25, 2011 at 02:12 PM (#3778029)
Chass: WAS IT REALLY NECESSARY TO SEND THE SECRET SERVICE TO MY HOUSE, MR. PRESIDENT
   223. spike Posted: March 25, 2011 at 02:47 PM (#3778059)
Chass: ACTRESS FOSTER MASSIVELY IMPRESSED BY HINCKLEY'S EFFORTS
Chass: PEARL HARBOR, ALAMO, USS MAINE EMINENTLY FORGETTABLE
   224. My Grate Friend Peason's pants are rankled Posted: March 25, 2011 at 02:55 PM (#3778067)
Chass: LUIS SALAZAR – EVEN I KNOW IT'S TOO SOON
Chass: JOE POSNANSKI – THE ONLY SPORTSWRITER IN AMERICA WHO LAUGHED WHILE WATCHING FOOTAGE OF WILLIE MAYS FALLING IN THE OUTFIELD
Chass: TOM TANGO – SILLY TIGER, SABERMETRICS ARE FOR HUMANS
   225. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:13 PM (#3778077)
Chass: MYTH DEBUNKED -- MERKLE WAS IMPOTENT
   226. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:19 PM (#3778087)
Chass: I KNOW FULL WELL WHY IT BURNS WHEN I PEE
Chass: FELIX HERNANDEZ NOT ACTUALLY ROYALTY
Chass: RANDALL SIMON NOT A SAUSAGE HATER
   227. Ave, Xerac, morituri te salutant Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:25 PM (#3778094)
Chass just doesn't bother to be bothered by the facts. As for Donora, PA being a breeding ground of racist attutudes, do some more research. Musial played on the high school varsity baseball team that was integrated and one of his teammates was the father/grandfather of Ken Griffey Sr/Ken Griffey Jr. Musial, from what I have read, is good friends with the Griffey family to this day. Yep, Musial sounds like he is a racist and grew up in a town that bred racist attitudes.
   228. Arch Stanton Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:34 PM (#3778101)
Chass: BRICK TAMLAND KNEW DAMN WELL WHAT HE WAS YELLING ABOUT
   229. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:49 PM (#3778113)
Chass: FRISCH NEVER EXPOSED HIMSELF
Chass: MIZELL CAN'T BEND VINEGAR
   230. Tom (and his broom) Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:54 PM (#3778118)
Chass: JOHN BRITTAIN ACTUALLY SECRET LOVE CHILD OF JEFFREY LORIA
Chass: ALYSSA MILANO REAL REASON FOR DODGER DIVORCE
   231. BrianBrianson Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:54 PM (#3778119)
Chass: TEACHER WASN'T BOTHERING THOSE KIDS IN THE FIRST PLACE, MR WATERS
   232. mex4173 Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:55 PM (#3778123)
Chass: NEITHER WANER A TOXIC SUBSTANCE - WELL, MAYBE PAUL'S LIVER
Chass: VENTURA RESPECTS THE ELDERLY
Chass: WINFIELD GOOD BALLPLAYER IN OTHER MONTHS
   233. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:59 PM (#3778126)
Posnanski tweeted this yesterday:

"When I think N.Y. based blogger Murray Chass has hit rock bottom, he manages to sink lower. Sad. He was once a fine reporter."
   234. Tom (and his broom) Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:59 PM (#3778129)
Chass: BUD BLACK IS WHITE, FRANK WHITE IS BLACK
   235. Steve Phillips' Hot Cougar (DrStankus) Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:07 PM (#3778134)
Chass: REBECCA BLACK IS NOT TALENTED, MR. PRESIDENT
   236. My Grate Friend Peason's pants are rankled Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:10 PM (#3778140)
Chass: DAYTON MOORE, THE GENIUS BEHIND THE PROCESS
Chass: WALTER JOHNSON NEVER MANAGED TO RIDE A TRAIN
Chass: STAN MUSIAL TOPS POLL OF BASEBALL'S MOST RACIST PLAYERS; NY TIMES FAILS TO PUBLISH RESULTS
   237. BDC Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:16 PM (#3778147)
Chass: GARBO ENJOYED COMPANY
Chass: POOH A STUFFED TOY, CANNOT ACTUALLY EAT HONEY
Chass: WILL ROGERS NEVER MET ME
   238. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:25 PM (#3778153)
Chass: SHOCKER AND FABER BOTH COUNTRY BOYS
Chass: CHRIS SHORT WAS 6'4"
   239. Guapo Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:29 PM (#3778158)
Chass: SABERMETRICS DOES NOT INVOLVE ACTUAL SABERS; IN RELATED NEWS, BLOGGER LOSES EYE DUE TO TRAGIC MISUNDERSTANDING
   240. Tim McCarver's Orange Marmalade Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:37 PM (#3778171)
Chass: NO VIRGINIA, YOUR PARENTS ARE LYING TO YOU
Chass: BILL JAMES IS HITLER'S LOVE CHILD, ACCORDING TO RELIABLE SOURCES
   241. Ave, Xerac, morituri te salutant Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:42 PM (#3778176)
Chass: MARVIN MILLER IS OUTSOURCING MLB PLAYERS JOBS TO OVERSEAS PLAYERS
Chass: DAVID ECKSTEIN REALLY IS JEWISH
   242. WhoWantsTeixeiraDessert Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:45 PM (#3778181)
Chass: PUJOLS EATS BABIES; ENJOYS EGGS, LAMB, VEAL"
   243. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 25, 2011 at 05:25 PM (#3778213)
Worth noting that in the interval between the two incidents, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 became law, with public accomodations provisions that we take for granted today.

I think not: the story claims this happened "some time after" Musial retired, and he retired after the 1963 season. Unless "some time" means a few months, as the legislation was passed in the summer of '64.

There are multiple versions of the story floating around this thread, but the one referenced in # 39 (which I cited) suggests Musial was still active, since Flood is said to have confronted Musial the next day in the locker room. In any event, there is still a significant time window between Musial's retirement after the 1963 season, and the effective date of the Civil Rights Act, which IIRC was one year after enactment, that is July 1965.
   244. RobertMachemer Posted: March 25, 2011 at 05:39 PM (#3778224)
TOLAXOR: SPATE OF CHASS HEADLINES DON'T IMPRESS ME
   245. TomH Posted: March 25, 2011 at 05:41 PM (#3778226)
In the NHA, Bill James chose to comment on Albert Belle in his player ranking by saying 10 nice things about him (built like a god, never killed anyone...). I think it would be more fun, now that we've trashed Mr. Chass for a bazillion posts, to try a Murray C - top 10 - list.
   246. My Grate Friend Peason's pants are rankled Posted: March 25, 2011 at 05:41 PM (#3778227)
Chass: ROGER CLEMENS – THIRD EAR BYPASSES FOREHEAD, EMERGES FROM CHEST
Chass: FRANK ROBINSON FOR MILT PAPPAS A FAIR TRADE
Chass: RON SWANSON ACTUALLY A VEGETARIAN
   247. Guapo Posted: March 25, 2011 at 05:47 PM (#3778231)
Chass: SKYWALKER, SOLO, CHEWBACCA SEEN IN BAR THAT REFUSES TO SERVE DROIDS- SHOULD HAVE TO RETURN MEDALS RECEIVED AT END OF "STAR WARS"
   248. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 25, 2011 at 05:53 PM (#3778239)
In the NHA, Bill James chose to comment on Albert Belle in his player ranking by saying 10 nice things about him (built like a god, never killed anyone...). I think it would be more fun, now that we've trashed Mr. Chass for a bazillion posts, to try a Murray C - top 10 - list.

1. Murray is also the name of the cop that was friends with the Felix and Oscar. He seemed all right.
   249. An Athletic in Powderhorn™ Posted: March 25, 2011 at 06:18 PM (#3778263)
In the NHA, Bill James chose to comment on Albert Belle in his player ranking by saying 10 nice things about him (built like a god, never killed anyone...). I think it would be more fun, now that we've trashed Mr. Chass for a bazillion posts, to try a Murray C - top 10 - list."

1. Frequently spells words correctly.
2. Shows great respect for the opinions of the elderly.
3. Is beloved by Repoz.

That's the best I can do.
   250. cardsfanboy Posted: March 25, 2011 at 06:40 PM (#3778290)
4. almost guaranteed to generate multiple page thread
5. doesn't have backne
6. never been convicted of murder(literal murder that is, character assassination doesn't count)
   251. Guapo Posted: March 25, 2011 at 06:47 PM (#3778299)
7. his egregious errors are so easy to fact-check that their ability to permanently damage is limited
   252. Sheer Tim Foli Posted: March 25, 2011 at 06:50 PM (#3778302)
8. His SHIFT key works
   253. kthejoker Posted: March 25, 2011 at 06:52 PM (#3778306)
9. Has healthy disrespect of The Man.
   254. BDC Posted: March 25, 2011 at 07:08 PM (#3778325)
10. Inspires fine Leave it to Beaver mashups
   255. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: March 25, 2011 at 07:47 PM (#3778375)
11. Last name rhymes with "class".
   256. Tim McCarver's Orange Marmalade Posted: March 25, 2011 at 08:02 PM (#3778394)
12. Isn't Hitler
   257. My Grate Friend Peason's pants are rankled Posted: March 25, 2011 at 09:46 PM (#3778469)
13. Very charitable towards animals (ex. entertains dozens of primates every week)
   258. Swedish Chef Posted: March 25, 2011 at 10:00 PM (#3778475)
14. Hasn't violated the no-fly zone over Libya.
   259. Bob Evans Posted: March 25, 2011 at 11:32 PM (#3778507)
15. Once liked baseball.
   260. villageidiom Posted: March 26, 2011 at 01:11 AM (#3778533)
16. Thinks Joe Hardy's agent is just swell.
   261. Gamingboy Posted: March 26, 2011 at 01:41 AM (#3778544)
17. Does not worship the Crawling Chaos known as Nyarlathotep.
   262. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: March 26, 2011 at 01:49 AM (#3778547)
18. Exhales carbon dioxide, thus helping sustain our plant life.
   263. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 26, 2011 at 01:58 AM (#3778549)
19. Has never posted a video with him singing a song about any day of the week.
   264. villageidiom Posted: March 26, 2011 at 02:03 AM (#3778552)
20. Likes #19 in this list.
   265. Greg Franklin Posted: March 26, 2011 at 02:24 AM (#3778565)
21. Never trusts a snot-nosed wiki author as a legitimate journalist.

(needs response)

((props to #244))
   266. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: March 26, 2011 at 08:08 AM (#3778660)
22. Never got involved in a land war in Asia.
   267. Tim McCarver's Orange Marmalade Posted: March 26, 2011 at 11:40 AM (#3778673)
23. Never released a sex tape.
   268. WhoWantsTeixeiraDessert Posted: March 26, 2011 at 03:26 PM (#3778724)
24. Is nice to forgetful, elderly former labor leaders.
25. Has a last name that rhymes with a lot of good words for limerick purposes.
   269. DCA Posted: March 26, 2011 at 03:55 PM (#3778734)
There once was a blogger named Chass
who 'bout Musial wrote something crass.
But the actual story
paints Stan with some glory,
while Murray just talks out his ass.
   270. Ave, Xerac, morituri te salutant Posted: March 26, 2011 at 04:14 PM (#3778739)
#261 gamingboy, classic post. You have apparently seen "Cast a Deadly Spell" as well besides knowing your Lovecraft.

#26- Has never been credited with being anti-Semantic. Oops, he meant anti-Semetic.
   271. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: March 26, 2011 at 04:30 PM (#3778743)
27. Has an alibi for the Kennedy assassination.
   272. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 26, 2011 at 04:54 PM (#3778752)
27a. He's more into character assassination anyway.
   273. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 26, 2011 at 07:16 PM (#3778803)
28. Is capable inspiring an almost uncomfortably angry response from Joe Posnanski that includes the words 'disgusting', 'vomitous', and 'vile hack'.
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