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Wednesday, August 01, 2012

Murti: Yankees Tweak At Trade Deadline; Cashman Just Can’t Win With Fans

Murti In My Heart For The Judged…

The funny thing is Cashman just can’t win with the fans.  When he gets the big ticket guy, he is accused of being no more than a check-writer who can’t put together a roster without the Yankees’ financial muscle.  When he pulls off deals for lesser role players, Cashman is accused of making dumb moves and ignoring the gaping holes that star players should be filling.

Fans seem to think that the Yankees are sabotaging their chances to win because they are stuck on the upcoming $189 million tax threshold.  Does anybody realize that it’s still more money than anybody else is spending?  When you build your team around high-priced megastars like A-Rod and Jeter and Teixeira and Sabathia, you have to fill in the rest of your 25-man roster with a little more fiscal responsibility.  And when veterans like Raul Ibanez and Eric Chavez can be had relatively cheap, and they produce the way that they have this year, it seems the GM deserves a little credit there too.

If prospects need to be dealt, Cashman isn’t afraid to do it.  But he isn’t of the mind to purge the system for a marginal short-term upgrade.

Bottom line here is this—the Yankees are always trying to win, but there are times to say no.  It’s easy for the average fan to think of the team and each season with a fantasy mentality.  In reality, decisions have to be made.  You don’t always have to agree with them.  But there is a rationale behind them.  And there is still a desire to win, even if you don’t believe that to be the case.

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   1. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 01, 2012 at 09:37 AM (#4197901)
When he gets the big ticket guy, he is accused of being no more than a check-writer who can’t put together a roster without the Yankees’ financial muscle.

I am not shedding any tears for Cashman, but I don't think that Yankee fans actually make this accusation.
   2. SG Posted: August 01, 2012 at 09:41 AM (#4197903)
There are some Yankee fans who feel that way.
   3. Bitter Mouse Posted: August 01, 2012 at 09:45 AM (#4197906)
Breaking News: Yankee fans* feels entitled to World Series title every year, feel pain at every loss, and wish they had an all-star at every position.

* Not all of them obviously, there are a couple on this site that are more realistic for example.
   4. SoSH U at work Posted: August 01, 2012 at 10:06 AM (#4197920)
There are some Yankee fans who feel that way.


And those guys probably don't complain about the smaller moves.
   5. villageidiom Posted: August 01, 2012 at 10:20 AM (#4197926)
Not all of them obviously, there are a couple on this site that are more realistic for example.
There are a lot on this site - and RLYW - that are more realistic. The ones who aren't... Well, there are many, and they exist in large numbers beyond the borders of this site.

Y'know the Canseco thread where he wants to carry a gun, but it can't be a simple pistol, it has to be something totally badass like a grenade launcher or something? That isn't about protection; it's about having everyone think you're a badass. To many Yankees fans (and even more bandwagoners), that's what the Yankees logo is: the mark of the ultimate badass. Like Canseco, what they want is not effectiveness but image. (EDIT: They obviously want results to line up with image, but in terms of deadline deals and other player moves, they want image.) They want to be badass like your typical over-the-top reality show contestant, all noise and no skill. They want to be a Real Housewife.

What they should want to emulate, to extend the gun metaphor, is an assassin. Go about business, with weapons that are simple but practical and precise, and get the job done. Let the results generate the image, and not the other way around. That's what Cashman is trying to build. The more obnoxious fans aren't assassins, they're assassclowns.

The Yankees set themselves up for this, though. They - well, George - cultivated the "spare no expense" image; but even when they were spending far more than other teams they did have their limits. They spared expense. Now those fans are learning it's true, and are unhappy because it doesn't fit the badass image they want. Whatever; assassins don't care about image, they care about getting results efficiently and staying alive. You want image? Go buy Jay-Z's headphones, or a Miami Heat jersey, or something. And STFU.
   6. Gonfalon B. Posted: August 01, 2012 at 10:42 AM (#4197944)
The fans of MY team go "doop doop dee doo." But the fans of YOUR team go "blarg zorch rarr argle."
   7. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: August 01, 2012 at 11:11 AM (#4197980)
The fans who might feel that way should maybe look 200 miles north or 200 miles south. In the last ten or fifteen years, the Orioles, Mets, and Red Sox have more or less proven that an assemblage of high-price players don't buy you love.
   8. DKDC Posted: August 01, 2012 at 11:27 AM (#4198004)
The Yankees have been very successful at winning baseball games. They have marketed their team as winners and they have delivered that and they have attracted a large following of fans who like watching a winning team.

Some of these fans are losers elsewhere in life and tie up much of their self worth in the fortunes of the Yankees.

All winning teams have these type of fans but the Yankees have more of them. These types of fans are sometimes also loudmouth jerks, so many baseball fans root for the Yankees to lose so that these loudmouth jerks will be unhappy.

Other Yankee fans are normal and perfectly nice people who enjoy baseball. They chose to root for the Yankees because they grew up in the New York area or their parents rooted for the Yankees or other such reasons.

These Yankee fans are secretly tortured by the fact that they root for such a loathsome team, but they typically refuse to change their allegiance to another, less loathsome team because of peer pressure or habit or their own stubbornness.

So it goes.
   9. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 01, 2012 at 11:32 AM (#4198007)
All winning teams have these type of fans but the Yankees have more of them. These types of fans are sometimes also loudmouth jerks, so many baseball fan root for the Yankees to lose so that the loudmouth jerks will be unhappy.


That's not a smart game to play, since the Yankees don't lose very much. The loudmouth jerks wouldn't be fans of them if they did.
   10. ecwcat Posted: August 01, 2012 at 11:35 AM (#4198013)
Amazing how some of you guys who preach small sample size and the evils of generalizing are going to label Yankees fans a certain way.
   11. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 01, 2012 at 11:38 AM (#4198016)
I think the sample of Yankees fans is more than big enough to draw conclusions with confidence.
   12. DKDC Posted: August 01, 2012 at 11:40 AM (#4198021)
That's not a smart game to play, since the Yankees don't lose very much. The loudmouth jerks wouldn't be fans of them if they did.


The Yankees lose all the time. They generally lose 2 or 3 times a week during the baseball season.
   13. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 01, 2012 at 11:41 AM (#4198024)
The Yankees lose all the time. They generally lose 2 or 3 times a week during the baseball season.


Relative to all the other teams, though...
   14. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 01, 2012 at 11:49 AM (#4198031)

There are some Yankee fans who feel that way.

Perhaps a few, but are the really any meaningful number of Yankee fans who criticize the big-name signings when they are made? Except perhaps in a "We shouldn't have signed Mark Texeira because then we can't sign Albert Pujols" kind of way?
   15. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 01, 2012 at 11:50 AM (#4198034)
Amazing how some of you guys who preach small sample size and the evils of generalizing are going to label Yankees fans a certain way.

All Yankee fans are evil and smell like butter. The former I get, the latter confuses me, but still I trudge on.
   16. Swedish Chef Posted: August 01, 2012 at 12:04 PM (#4198052)
I think the sample of Yankees fans is more than big enough to draw conclusions with confidence.

What I know for sure about Yankee fans:
- Many Yankees fans live in New York.
- Some of them, but not a majority, have received a gift basket from Derek Jeter.
   17. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 01, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4198075)
I think I know the good Yankees fans. They have sort of an out-of-touch cheerful rich-guy approach in their dealings with fans of lesser teams, as if relentless optimism is always warranted because the worst that can happen is missing the playoffs 2 or 3 years in a row. They are just unable to confront the full horror of what it's like to be a Mariners or Astros fan, like Michael Bloomberg encountering a person who seems to be seriously claiming that she cannot find a steady job even though she has made a resume AND lowered her expectations AND applied to more than one job per month AND attempted to "network".
   18. Deacon Blues Posted: August 01, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4198136)
It's been amusing to watch most Red Sox fans adopt some of the very same traits they apparently used to find so abhorrent.
   19. ??'s Biggest Fan! Posted: August 01, 2012 at 01:35 PM (#4198140)
They are just unable to confront the full horror of what it's like to be a Mariners or Astros fan

This is such a conceit for non-Yankees fans. Grew up in the 80's and 90's. I can pretty much guarantee I can relate to how an Astros fans or a Pittsburgh fan feels. The only hope for any change in success is to pray that you're able to outlive the incompetent ownership.
   20. SoSH U at work Posted: August 01, 2012 at 01:48 PM (#4198161)

This is such a conceit for non-Yankees fans. Grew up in the 80's and 90's. I can pretty much guarantee I can relate to how an Astros fans or a Pittsburgh fan feels. The only hope for any change in success is to pray that you're able to outlive the incompetent ownership.


And this comment indicates that you really can't relate to how a Pirates fan feels (I'll grant you the Astros) if you think your plights were comparable. As a Yankee fan, you had the misfortune of four straight losing seasons, which followed more than a decade of year-in, year-out competitiveness, and preceded a remarkable run of success. The only way the 1980s are a decade of hardship for the Yankees is you genuinely believe you're entitled to a pennant every few years.


And I say this as a lifelong Red Sox fan who knows damn well the exact same applies to me, and did even before 2004, no matter what some delusional Simmonsesque idiot wants to say about the "pain" of rooting for the Sox.

   21. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 01, 2012 at 01:53 PM (#4198169)
In the 80's and 90's the Yankees had a losing record five times. If there was a wild card back then they would have won it in 1985, 1986, and 1993, and missed out on it by one game in 1983, and missed out on it by two games in 1984. The long stretch of Yankees failure now immortalized in the early seasons of "Seinfeld", and invoked by Yankees fans claiming to have paid their dues and survived to reap the rewards, lasted from 1989 all the way through 1992.

Edit: Moxie to Sosh U.
   22. DKDC Posted: August 01, 2012 at 01:54 PM (#4198171)
Below are Yankee teams of the 80s/ 90s and the last 19 Pirates teams, ranked by win percentage:

1998 Yankeees .704
1980 Yankeees .636
1994 Yankeees .619
1999 Yankeees .605
1985 Yankeees .602
1997 Yankeees .593
1996 Yankeees .568
1983 Yankeees .562
1986 Yankeees .556
1981 Yankeees .551
1995 Yankeees .549
1987 Yankeees .549
1993 Yankeees .543
1984 Yankeees .537
1988 Yankeees .528
1982 Yankeees .488
1997 Pirates .488
1999 Pirates .484
1992 Yankeees .469
1994 Pirates .465
2003 Pirates .463
1993 Pirates .463
1989 Yankeees .460
1996 Pirates .451
2004 Pirates .447
2002 Pirates .447
2011 Pirates .444
1991 Yankeees .438
2000 Pirates .426
1998 Pirates .426
2007 Pirates .420
1990 Yankeees .414
2008 Pirates .414
2006 Pirates .414
2005 Pirates .414
1995 Pirates .403
2009 Pirates .385
2001 Pirates .383
2010 Pirates .352
   23. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 01, 2012 at 01:58 PM (#4198177)
To be fair, there was an actual stretch of sustained Yankees incompetence 40+ years ago in the pre-Steinbrenner period, now known as "the Horace Clarke era" or "the Houk years".
   24. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 01, 2012 at 02:00 PM (#4198181)
The CBS years were no picnic, either!

Seriously, attempting to characterize people based on what baseball team they support? This is an exercise for self-proclaimed Thinking Fans?

EDIT: #23 wasn't up when I posted, so no beverage. Don't think that many used the term "Houk years" since Ralph Houk won 2 World Series and an AL Pennant in his first 3-year stint managing the Yankees.
   25. clowns to the left of me; STEAGLES to the right Posted: August 01, 2012 at 02:06 PM (#4198187)
And when veterans like Raul Ibanez and Eric Chavez can be had relatively cheap, and they produce the way that they have this year, it seems the GM deserves a little credit there too.

i'd say the architect of nys deserves a lot more of the credit for the performance of those players than cashman does. with both ibanez and chavez being LHHs and nys having the insanely short porch in RF, ibanez has an .886/.643 home/road split, and chavez has a split of .847/.753.


   26. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 01, 2012 at 02:14 PM (#4198201)
Seriously, attempting to characterize people based on what baseball team they support? This is an exercise for self-proclaimed Thinking Fans?

Don't try to confuse me with words. For I have read The Book and know the forked tongue of a butter-smelling Satan when I see one! Leave this vessel, Foul One! Know the Rightesous Fury that shall pierce thy cursed heart!
   27. SoSH U at work Posted: August 01, 2012 at 02:15 PM (#4198204)
To be fair, there was an actual stretch of sustained Yankees incompetence 40+ years ago in the pre-Steinbrenner period, now known as "the Horace Clarke era" or "the Houk years".


Yankees records between World Series appearances:

1965 77-85 6th
1966 70-89 10th
1967 72-90 9th
1968 83-79 5th
1969 80-81 5th
1970 93-69 2nd
1971 82-80 4th
1972 79-76 4th
1973 80-82 4th
1974 89-73 2nd
1975 83-77 3rd

Worse than the 90s "drought," but not exactly Bonifayesque or Littlefieldian.


   28. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 01, 2012 at 02:20 PM (#4198207)
Huh. That run in the 70's isn't as horrible as it's always made out to be.
   29. villageidiom Posted: August 01, 2012 at 02:25 PM (#4198210)
Amazing how some of you guys who preach small sample size and the evils of generalizing are going to label Yankees fans a certain way.
Small sample size is useless for projection. It is, however, a perfectly accurate historical record.
Seriously, attempting to characterize people based on what baseball team they support?
No. We're characterizing a subset of Yankees fans based on the way they behave. That is, as it turns out, remarkably on-topic in this thread. Some Yankees fans are irrational about the behavior of the team's front office. That's the topic.

If it makes you feel any better, I amend my earlier post to clarify that (a) I know lots of people who compensate for their insecurities by clinging to whatever projects a badass image, and (b) when it comes to baseball, many of them associate themselves with the Yankees. That should make it more clear that I'm talking about people who fit a particular behavioral profile in general, and that the Yankees-fan subset of them are the least rational in their treatment of front office non-moves. HTH.

It should be abundantly clear that other than Shooty's "smell like butter" comment, pretty much all the comments in this thread are not generalizing about Yankees fans. They're recognizing this particular subset of behavior is not general to Yankees fans, nor unique to Yankees fans.
   30. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 01, 2012 at 02:34 PM (#4198219)
This is such a conceit for non-Yankees fans. Grew up in the 80's and 90's. I can pretty much guarantee I can relate to how an Astros fans or a Pittsburgh fan feels. The only hope for any change in success is to pray that you're able to outlive the incompetent ownership.

Best record in baseball, 1980-1989:
                                             
Rk    Tm    G   W   L W-L%   RS   RA pythW-L%
1    NYY 1562 854 708 .547 7372 6799     .537
2    DET 1567 839 727 .536 7347 6779     .537
3    KCR 1561 826 734 .529 6809 6555     .517
4    STL 1562 825 734 .529 6574 6208     .526
5    LAD 1568 825 741 .527 6175 5781     .530
6    BOS 1564 821 742 .525 7586 7165     .526
7    TOR 1565 817 746 .523 7056 6658     .527
8    NYM 1561 816 743 .523 6482 6184     .522
9    HOU 1569 819 750 .522 6208 6054     .511
10   MON 1565 811 752 .519 6375 6136     .517

Best record in baseball, 1990-1999:
                                             
Rk    Tm    G   W   L W-L%   RS   RA pythW-L%
1    ATL 1554 925 629 .595 7297 6052     .585
2    NYY 1554 851 702 .548 7877 7117     .546
3    CLE 1551 823 728 .531 7970 7447     .531
4    CHW 1554 816 735 .526 7657 7352     .519
5    BOS 1555 814 741 .523 7549 7287     .516
6    HOU 1555 813 742 .523 7078 6595     .532
7    CIN 1556 809 746 .520 7164 6803     .524
8    TEX 1555 807 747 .519 7946 7783     .509
9    TOR 1556 801 754 .515 7405 7196     .513
10   LAD 1554 797 757 .513 6689 6428     .518

Cry me a river.
   31. ??'s Biggest Fan! Posted: August 01, 2012 at 02:49 PM (#4198234)
Best record in baseball, 1980-1989

Interesting, people were using this same stat as an indictment of the Yankees' management misplacing their priorities during this same period. Did anyone actually live in the city back during the 80's? I remember the utter frustration and antipathy towards the owner because of the perfect sh*t-storm of bad baseball decisions year after year.
   32. SoSH U at work Posted: August 01, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4198238)
Interesting, people were using this same stat as an indictment of the Yankees' management misplacing their priorities during this same period. Did anyone actually live in the city back during the 80's? I remember the utter frustration and antipathy towards the owner because of the perfect sh*t-storm of bad baseball decisions year after year.


Yeah, I remember (not a city kid, but close enough). Not sure why you think that makes the experience of your favorite team not maximizing their impressive W-L record is remotely similar to the two decades of putrid baseball endured by the Steel City's version of you.

   33. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 01, 2012 at 02:58 PM (#4198243)
Huh. That run in the 70's isn't as horrible as it's always made out to be.


They had Roy White!
   34. Nasty Nate Posted: August 01, 2012 at 04:15 PM (#4198317)
If more people knew that Yankee fans smelt like butter then Yankee fans would be embraced and loved by the world
   35. Nasty Nate Posted: August 01, 2012 at 04:20 PM (#4198323)
I hate to pile-on post #19, but I can't help notice the delusional notion that 80's Yankees fans' only hope for championships was new ownership.
   36. caprules Posted: August 01, 2012 at 07:19 PM (#4198477)
'd say the architect of nys deserves a lot more of the credit for the performance of those players than cashman does


Cuz there's no way Cashman can identify players who might play well in NYS and sign them?
   37. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 01, 2012 at 09:38 PM (#4198556)
In the 80's and 90's the Yankees had a losing record five times. If there was a wild card back then they would have won it in 1985, 1986, and 1993


And yet the Yankees did not cry to their league office stooges to award playoff slots to teams unable to win their own division. Second place is merely first in line amongst the losers. The Yankees, even in their lean years, had the mentality of a winner, always striving to be the very best and accepting no substitutes for total victory.

Of course this was long before the pernicious effects of Budshovism and the "everybody gets a trophy" mentality so closely associated with it.
   38. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 01, 2012 at 09:55 PM (#4198561)
And yet the Yankees did not cry to their league office stooges to award playoff slots to teams unable to win their own division. Second place is merely first in line amongst the losers.


That's why when they finished fourth overall in the AL East in 1981, they gracefully declined to participate in the playoffs.
   39. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 01, 2012 at 10:27 PM (#4198580)
Yes, the half-assed resolution to the strike-screwed 1981 season is clearly emblematic of, uh, something. The fact that you find equivalence between an emergency resolution created on-the-fly and the decades-long pro-loser stance of the Budshovik regime is interesting.
   40. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 01, 2012 at 10:39 PM (#4198584)
Equivalence? I found an instance of a fourth-place Yankee team going to the playoffs. I didn't say it was equivalent to the Budshovik regime, or anything else.

I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth.

EDIT: Let us also note that when the Yankees advanced to the playoffs as a wild card in 1995, neither the team nor its fans had any qualms about that.
   41. Nasty Nate Posted: August 01, 2012 at 11:42 PM (#4198604)
I may not have the facts right, but didn't a team or two vote against the wildcard in 1994, but the Yankees voted yes?
   42. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 01, 2012 at 11:45 PM (#4198606)
I may not have the facts right, but didn't a team or two vote against the wildcard in 1994, but the Yankees voted yes?


George Bush cast the lone vote against the expansion of the playoffs. Big Stein was with the Pirates, Marlins and Royals in support letting the first loser into the postseason.
   43. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 02, 2012 at 12:30 AM (#4198618)
Interesting, people were using this same stat as an indictment of the Yankees' management misplacing their priorities during this same period. Did anyone actually live in the city back during the 80's? I remember the utter frustration and antipathy towards the owner because of the perfect sh*t-storm of bad baseball decisions year after year.




1. I did

and

2. I remember the shitstorm and it was wholly justified


selective endpoints-the Yankees may have the best record in MLB thru the 80's inclusive,but that was based on a few good years (80,81,85) and the fact that no other team had a sustained good run at that time.
   44. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: August 02, 2012 at 01:27 AM (#4198628)
2. I remember the shitstorm and it was wholly justified


selective endpoints-the Yankees may have the best record in MLB thru the 80's inclusive,but that was based on a few good years (80,81,85) and the fact that no other team had a sustained good run at that time.


Whether the shitstorm was justified or not, this comment pretty well sums up why Yankees fans can't really understand what it must be like to be a Pirates fan.
   45. JoeHova Posted: August 02, 2012 at 02:23 AM (#4198640)
...the Yankees may have the best record in MLB thru the 80's inclusive,but that was based on ... the fact that no other team had a sustained good run at that time.

Maybe, but compare the winning percentages the Yankees had during the 80's and the 90's. I think it's fair to say the Yankees had a pretty successful run during the 90's, wouldn't you agree?
   46. clowns to the left of me; STEAGLES to the right Posted: August 02, 2012 at 02:51 AM (#4198649)
Cuz there's no way Cashman can identify players who might play well in NYS and sign them?
if nys played perfectly neutral, raul ibanez would have a .650 OPS, and eric chavez would not be much better.

i guess you could give him credit for playing to his park, but the successful production that they've gotten out of ibanez and chavez is due almost entirely to the shape of the ballpark, rather than any inherent ability that cashman has to identify bargain free agents.
   47. jyjjy Posted: August 02, 2012 at 06:03 AM (#4198662)
Ibanez has been less terrible than you would expect but I'd hardly say he has been good. Chavez has been great for his role by any reasonable measure whether you account for NYS or not.
   48. SG Posted: August 02, 2012 at 08:10 AM (#4198678)
You can't just double road OPS and assume that's what a player would do in a neutral park. The average player hits 10% better at home regardless of where they play. There's a home field advantage above and beyond park bandboxedness.
   49. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 02, 2012 at 08:26 AM (#4198683)
Here's a way of getting at fan experience. This is the standing of the Yankees on September 1st, every year through the 80s:

1980: 1st place, +1.5
1981: 1st place, +1.5
1982: 4th place, -11.0
1983: 4th place, -4.5
1984: 5th place, -15.0
1985: 2nd place, -4.0
1986: 3rd place, -7.5
1987: 3rd place, -5.0
1988: 3rd place, -5.0
1989: 6th place, -13.5

The Yankees were legitimately bad in 1989, and the runaway Brewers in '82 and Tigers in '84 had eliminated them by September. In 1986, the Red Sox were pretty close to eliminating them. Otherwise, the Yankees were playing meaningful September baseball.

This is the Pirates in the 2000s:

2000: 6th place, -21.5
2001: 6th place, -28.5
2002: 4th place, -16.5
2003: 4th place, -8.5
2004: 5th place, -26.0
2005: 6th place, -29.5
2006: 6th place, -20.0
2007: 6th place, -10.5
2008: 6th place, -27.0
2009: 6th place, -21.5

That is not a similar experience.
   50. villageidiom Posted: August 02, 2012 at 09:41 AM (#4198741)
The Yankees, even in their lean years, had the mentality of a winner, always striving to be the very best and accepting no substitutes for total victory.
This is not an evidence-based conclusion. The Yankees had accepted less than total victory throughout the decade, and acted like it in every way except in how the owner talked. The only evidence you have is propaganda, and you totally bought it.

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