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Wednesday, August 06, 2014

Must C: Ball gets loose on field

Will someone please explain why the umpires didn’t have the discretion to rule this play dead and permit Murphy to return to third base? After all, the ball came from the Reds bullpen, which is gated (i.e., not Wrigley)....

JE (Jason) Posted: August 06, 2014 at 09:43 AM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: August 06, 2014 at 10:18 AM (#4765387)
Yeah I'd like to know the answer to that as well. Was the play even reviewed?
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 06, 2014 at 10:22 AM (#4765392)
Is this legal?
   3. Nasty Nate Posted: August 06, 2014 at 10:29 AM (#4765407)
"Must C?" Is MLB.com getting their section headings via text from a 15-year old?
   4. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 06, 2014 at 10:29 AM (#4765408)
Will someone please explain why the umpires didn’t have the discretion to rule this play dead and permit Murphy to return to third base? After all, the ball came from the Reds bullpen, which is gated (i.e., not Wrigley)....


You wouldn't want to make it a rule (play automatically stops when a ball leaves the field of play), as that could encourage teams to intentionally throw a ball onto the field in certain situations). But I'm all for allowing umpires discretion in this, and many other, situations.
   5. JE (Jason) Posted: August 06, 2014 at 10:31 AM (#4765412)
Never mind.
   6. JE (Jason) Posted: August 06, 2014 at 10:34 AM (#4765418)
I agree, SoSH, but the current rule apparently encourages such behavior as well.
   7. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 06, 2014 at 10:35 AM (#4765419)
But I'm all for allowing umpires discretion in this, and many other, situations.


That exists. There is a rule on the books that says umpires are allowed to rule on anything not specifically covered in the rule book. Ron Luciano in one of his books said that the rule would come up more in minor league games (questionable talent, dicey facilities) and his ruling generally amounted to "penalize the team that caused the problem." So in this case the Reds threw the ball away, penalize the Reds and let Murphy be safe because of the confusion of the second baseball.
   8. Rennie's Tenet Posted: August 06, 2014 at 10:43 AM (#4765426)
Just a note that it seems Jumbo Diaz was the guy warming up in the Reds bullpen. The legend grows.
   9. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 06, 2014 at 10:51 AM (#4765433)

I agree, SoSH, but the current rule apparently encourages such behavior as well.


That's why I'm all for discretion for the arbiters, in this and many other instances, because that's the best way to deal with rules that can be bent. Now, if what Jose said is accurate, and I have no reason to doubt him, then I would say the umpire simply screwed it up.
   10. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 06, 2014 at 10:57 AM (#4765440)
A world in which David Murphy was called out amidst this nonsense is a world that needs to change, however it's accomplished.
   11. Karl from NY Posted: August 06, 2014 at 02:25 PM (#4765655)
TOOTBLAN! One of the announcers actually called that. Right after the halfway point when the video switches to the Cincinnati broadcast.
   12. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 06, 2014 at 03:57 PM (#4765770)
The always popular 9.01(c)!

(c) Each umpire has authority to rule on any point not specifically covered in these
rules.
   13. God Posted: August 06, 2014 at 06:48 PM (#4765937)
This was a screw-up probably worth getting ejected over, but Francona didn't seem particularly upset and after the game he bent over backwards to defend the umpires. Apparently he was told there was nothing the umps could do until the play was dead. Which is a ridiculous excuse, considering that the play was completely over and the Reds infielders can be seen asking for time out several seconds before Murphy was tagged out. The only thing keeping the play supposedly "alive" was an illegal ball in play. A good umpiring crew would have ruled that the ball was dead when, you know, play actually stopped, thereby rendering the tag on Murphy irrelevant. If I was managing Cleveland this is the kind of ruling I would have gone apeshit over, like maybe take one or two of the bases back to the clubhouse with me, McClendon-style.
   14. Zach Posted: August 06, 2014 at 08:08 PM (#4765979)
I'm surprised they didn't rule the play dead when the extra ball interfered with the runner and send people to whatever bases they thought were appropriate.

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