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Wednesday, June 24, 2009

MVN: Hissey: Q & A With Author, Blogger Jeff Pearlman

Tyler: You once wrote that Barry Bonds was evil. In light of the recent names leaked of players linked to PEDs, do you still feel the same way? I feel that a Hall of Fame without Bonds—steroids or not—would be a shame, missing out on honoring one of the most impressive hitters and players of all time. For you, would you vote him in or out?

Jeff: No way, but the same goes for Clemens, Giambi, Sosa, McGwire. Bonds isn’t evil because he used steroids—he is evil because he treats everyone like dog crap and cares only about himself. The reason I wouldn’t vote him in is this: The Hall of Fame lists several criterion for enshrinement—one of which is GOOD OF THE GAME. What these guys have done by cheating far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far outweighs their statistics. They have voided an era. I mean, think about that—they have literally made an entire era statistically irrelevant. Or, as I always say, I wrote a biography on Barry Bonds, and right now I don’t know what the all-time home run record is. That was the biggest mark in sports. Now? Meaningless. Totally meaningless.

Tyler: Have you gotten into sabermetrics at all?

Jeff: Not one iota.

And here I thought SAMCRO might have a BPro glossary tie-in…

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   1. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: June 24, 2009 at 01:57 PM (#3230765)
Bonds isn’t evil because he used steroids--he is evil because he treats everyone like dog crap and cares only about himself.

This is setting the bar for evil pretty low. Dooshbaggery isn't evil.
   2. flournoy Posted: June 24, 2009 at 01:59 PM (#3230769)
Jeff Pearlman is evil.

Nothing to see here. Move along.
   3. robinred Posted: June 24, 2009 at 02:04 PM (#3230777)
far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far outweighs


This both mildly amused and mildly annoyed me.
   4. Craig Calcaterra Posted: June 24, 2009 at 02:26 PM (#3230808)
They have voided an era. I mean, think about that--they have literally made an entire era statistically irrelevant.


If one change in playing conditions, even a significant one, makes an era void from a statistical perspective, then there has never been a relevant statistical era. And that goes for Bill Simmons' 1988-92 as well.
   5. RJ in TO Posted: June 24, 2009 at 02:32 PM (#3230820)
Or, as I always say, I wrote a biography on Barry Bonds, and right now I don’t know what the all-time home run record is.


It's 73 and 762. You can look it up here and here. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it isn't true, or that it didn't happen.
   6. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: June 24, 2009 at 02:34 PM (#3230825)
Is it okay to not like Bonds and Pearlman or do you have to pick sides?
   7. cardsfanboy Posted: June 24, 2009 at 02:36 PM (#3230832)
Is it okay to not like Bonds and Pearlman or do you have to pick sides?
perfectly fine, I don't imagine many people like Bonds, just think that being an ass or a cheater is grounds to keep the best hitter in the history of the game out of the hall of fame, especially since the game has never had a pure era anyway.
   8. wjones Posted: June 24, 2009 at 02:38 PM (#3230837)
Or, as I always say, I wrote a biography on Barry Bonds, and right now I don’t know what the all-time home run record is.


It's 73 and 762. You can look it up here and here. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it isn't true, or that it didn't happen.


This also tells me all I want to know about how much research goes into Pearlman's work. Is it acceptable to wish terribly that a writer would get so discredited that he never writes publicly again?
   9. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: June 24, 2009 at 02:40 PM (#3230842)
This also tells me all I want to know about how much research goes into Pearlman's work. Is it acceptable to wish terribly that a writer would get so discredited that he never writes publicly again?

Pearlman's hacky writing should be all the discredit we need.
   10. The Essex Snead Posted: June 24, 2009 at 02:41 PM (#3230844)
Let's stop discussing this asswit and talk about Sons of Anarchy instead -- new season starts in September! Henry Rollins sorta joins the cast!
   11. Dan Szymborski Posted: June 24, 2009 at 02:45 PM (#3230855)
This also tells me all I want to know about how much research goes into Pearlman's work. Is it acceptable to wish terribly that a writer would get so discredited that he never writes publicly again?

I wonder why Pearlman would even say such a stupid thing.

I mean, take a political writer. The writer would surely got mocked beyond belief for the rest of his or her career if, after being unhappy with the result of the presidential election then claimed not to know who the current vice-president was.
   12. xdog Posted: June 24, 2009 at 03:12 PM (#3230902)
Isn't Pearlman simply saying that he doesn't know how many Bonds' HRs resulted from steroids/hgh/monkey juice?
   13. Repoz Posted: June 24, 2009 at 03:19 PM (#3230917)
Henry Rollins sorta joins the cast!

I believe it's a short contract...so he'll prolly git moidered off as the rival club leader.
   14. Ray (RDP) Posted: June 24, 2009 at 03:28 PM (#3230943)
Honestly at this point picking on Pearlman is like shooting fish in a barrel. We should probably have pity on him instead. "Pity the fool," as Mr. T would say.
   15. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 24, 2009 at 03:34 PM (#3230957)
"far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far outweighs"

Either his record's stuck, or somebody at MVN confused Jeff Pearlman with Chris Berman.
   16. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 24, 2009 at 03:49 PM (#3230988)
Threads like this make me glad that he who shall not be named no longer posts here. It would be a total shitshow if he were here.

Edit: I can say "shitshow"? Really? Huh.
   17. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 24, 2009 at 03:53 PM (#3231002)
The reason I wouldn’t vote him in is this: The Hall of Fame lists several criterion for enshrinement--one of which is GOOD OF THE GAME.
No, it isn't, you #########. You can't even get your fake moralizing right. There are about four different factors could claim steroid use fits with; not one of them says, "Good of the game."
   18. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: June 24, 2009 at 03:56 PM (#3231007)
Edit: I can say "shitshow"? Really? Huh.

Yeah, but you can't spell dooshbaggery correctly.
   19. Ray (RDP) Posted: June 24, 2009 at 04:01 PM (#3231018)
No, it isn't, you #########. You can't even get your fake moralizing right. There are about four different factors could claim steroid use fits with; not one of them says, "Good of the game."


Yeah, that was odd. That error would be bad enough even in a telephone interview, but in an email interview it's really absurd.
   20. Cooper Nielson Posted: June 24, 2009 at 04:04 PM (#3231023)
Or, as I always say, I wrote a biography on Barry Bonds, and right now I don’t know what the all-time home run record is.

I'm not going to touch the rest of this (suffice it to say, I'm not a Pearlman fan) but one of the issues here is that the record is so recent — Bonds "retired" only 1.5 seasons ago — that the number hasn't had time to settle into our collective memory. It takes a while for a career number to become memorable.

I can tell you Ty Cobb's hit record was 4191 (though I believe this has been retroactively corrected to 4189) and I can tell you Lou Gehrig played in 2130 straight games. However, while I know that Pete Rose broke Cobb's record and Cal Ripken broke Gehrig's, I honestly can't tell you what the current records are. The only numbers I can remember are 4192 and 2131. I consider myself a huge baseball fan, but I would have to look those numbers up.

With Bonds/Aaron, everyone remembers 756 because that was the record-breaking number. People pay much less attention to record-extending numbers until the next person comes along to chase the new record. I imagine the same thing was true with Aaron/Ruth in the '70s. Aaron was known as "Mr. 715" for years before people became familiar with his final total.

The Bonds situation is different, of course, but I imagine that in 10 years or so, when Mr. Pujols hits his 750th home run, people will be very aware of what Bonds' record is.
   21. RJ in TO Posted: June 24, 2009 at 04:07 PM (#3231031)
No, it isn't, you #########. You can't even get your fake moralizing right. There are about four different factors could claim steroid use fits with; not one of them says, "Good of the game."

Yeah, that was odd. That error would be bad enough even in a telephone interview, but in an email interview it's really absurd.



Of all his garbage, that one didn't bother me at all - I just assumed that he was lumping all the character, integrity, and sportsmanship items under a single "Good of the Game" umbrella.
   22. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: June 24, 2009 at 04:17 PM (#3231052)
Of all his garbage, that one didn't bother me at all - I just assumed that he was lumping all the character, integrity, and sportsmanship items under a single "Good of the Game" umbrella.


The lawyers need to pick their nits.
   23. tshipman Posted: June 24, 2009 at 04:37 PM (#3231079)
Is it okay to not like Bonds and Pearlman or do you have to pick sides?


I would hope that every intelligent person can dislike Jeff Pearlman. If we had to pick sides, all of Primer would have to move to San Francisco.
   24. Dr Love Posted: June 24, 2009 at 04:57 PM (#3231108)
Isn't Pearlman simply saying that he doesn't know how many Bonds' HRs resulted from steroids/hgh/monkey juice?


That's equally as stupid though. The HRs happened and Pearlman wants to believe they didn't.
   25. Ray (RDP) Posted: June 24, 2009 at 05:03 PM (#3231127)
That's equally as stupid though. The HRs happened and Pearlman wants to believe they didn't.


Indeed. Just like something called "Jon & Kate" happened, the coverage of which I can't seem to get away from.
   26. RJ in TO Posted: June 24, 2009 at 05:05 PM (#3231131)
Indeed. Just like something called "Jon & Kate" happened, the coverage of which I can't seem to get away from.


You can get away from it. Just be prepared to have to deal with the Perez Hilton crap instead.

I don't know who any of these people are, but I hate all of them.
   27. Dan Szymborski Posted: June 24, 2009 at 05:08 PM (#3231135)
Jeff Pearlman just wants to be like David Watts.
   28. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: June 24, 2009 at 05:10 PM (#3231139)
If we had to pick sides, all of Primer would have to move to San Francisco.


Probably. Pearlman makes John Rocker look like a sympathetic character in comparison.
   29. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: June 24, 2009 at 05:11 PM (#3231143)
I don't know who any of these people are, but I hate all of them.

Someone in the office asked me what I though of Perez Hilton getting beat up by some other celebrity I've never heard of. I'm going to treat myself to a slug of scotch tonight for not knowing what the hell he was talking about.
   30. cardsfanboy Posted: June 24, 2009 at 05:16 PM (#3231153)

Someone in the office asked me what I though of Perez Hilton getting beat up by some other celebrity I've never heard of. I'm going to treat myself to a slug of scotch tonight for not knowing what the hell he was talking about.


is Perez Hilton, Paris Hilton? (just watched a movie with her in it, no not that movie....ugh, I'm not sure I would want to see her like that.... Repo!:genetic opera)
   31. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 24, 2009 at 05:18 PM (#3231157)
"Repo!:genetic opera"

Was it any good? It's coming to the local midnight theater in a month or so, and I was thinking of springing for a ticket.
   32. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: June 24, 2009 at 05:18 PM (#3231158)
is Perez Hilton, Paris Hilton?

Evidently, there is a person named Perez Hilton, too, but I don't know why he or she is famous or why it's "news" that he or she has been beaten up.
   33. RJ in TO Posted: June 24, 2009 at 05:20 PM (#3231160)
is Perez Hilton, Paris Hilton?


I have been informed that they're different people - they're both useless human beings, but one is apparently a celebrity heiress, and the other is essentially a celebrity blogger.
   34. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: June 24, 2009 at 05:21 PM (#3231162)
Perez Hilton is the online gossip guy who takes red carpet celebrity photos and telestrates dopey insults on them. Imagine John Madden doing "I CAN HAZ CHZBURGR"-level graffiti on Lindsay Lohan's implants, and you've pretty much got it.
   35. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: June 24, 2009 at 05:24 PM (#3231168)
"I CAN HAZ CHZBURGR"-

I will admit that when I'm in line at the bookstore, I like flipping through that cat book. Im in ur chair watchin ur moviez makes me laugh for some reason.
   36. RJ in TO Posted: June 24, 2009 at 05:28 PM (#3231176)
I will admit that when I'm in line at the bookstore, I like flipping through that cat book. Im in ur chair watchin ur moviez makes me laugh for some reason.


It made you laugh because LOLCATS are funny, in a wonderfully childish way.
   37. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: June 24, 2009 at 05:51 PM (#3231216)
Perez Hilton is the online gossip guy who takes red carpet celebrity photos and telestrates dopey insults on them. Imagine John Madden doing "I CAN HAZ CHZBURGR"-level graffiti on Lindsay Lohan's implants, and you've pretty much got it.


That reminds me. Moop is another oxygen thief.
   38. cardsfanboy Posted: June 24, 2009 at 05:52 PM (#3231218)
Was it any good? It's coming to the local midnight theater in a month or so, and I was thinking of springing for a ticket.

depending on taste, the music had moments where it wasn't cringeworthy and the quality for a cult movie was definately there, I gave it a 7/10 on Net Flix, I liked the fact that instead of wasting time with long "here is what happened" when you meet someone or need background information they go to a couple of still comic book images to get the story moving faster. My thought on it, is if you think you'll like it, you'll probably like it. It is a cult movie that was designed to be a cult movie with a good size budget, it works. I would have prefered better voices for singing as there was only two numbers that I actually liked (and they weren't great or anything, I just like it when solos intermingle with each other)
   39. chisoxcollector Posted: June 24, 2009 at 08:45 PM (#3231482)
Was it any good? It's coming to the local midnight theater in a month or so, and I was thinking of springing for a ticket.


I really liked Repo! The Genetic Opera. Anthony Head of Buffy fame (he played Giles) is fantastic, Sarah Brightman is pretty good in her small role, and the soundtrack is pretty catchy. It has gotten a lot of play on my ipod. I agree with CFB, if it seems like something you might like, you should definitely see it.
   40. flournoy Posted: June 24, 2009 at 08:59 PM (#3231502)
I will admit that when I'm in line at the bookstore, I like flipping through that cat book. Im in ur chair watchin ur moviez makes me laugh for some reason.


WTF? They make books of this ####?
   41. RMc is the loyal supporter of the MLB event Posted: June 25, 2009 at 01:26 PM (#3232322)
Is it okay to not like Bonds and Pearlman or do you have to pick sides?

Molotov, meet Rippentrop. Joey, Slava.
   42. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: June 25, 2009 at 01:29 PM (#3232326)
WTF? They make books of this ####?

I iz in ur head, thinkin ur thotz.

It's not ####, it's fun! Lighten up!
   43. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: June 25, 2009 at 01:40 PM (#3232342)
I never got into lolcats, Ceiling Cat, or Keyboard Cat. Not sure if it is a generational thing or not, though. Shooty's not that much younger than me.
   44. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: June 25, 2009 at 01:41 PM (#3232344)
I never got into lolcats, Ceiling Cat, or Keyboard Cat. Not sure if it is a generational thing or not, though. SHooty's not that much younger than me.

And we both drink, too. I think the trick is for you to drink more and destroy the part of your brain that keeps you from giggling at pictures of cats wearing cowboy hats.

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