Erin Andrews, the ESPN “it” babe who clearly isn’t afraid to flaunt it, sauntered around the visiting clubhouse, flitting from one Cubs player to another. Her skimpy outfit — designed to accentuate her, um, positives — had players leering at her. Some made lewd comments under their breath. Others giggled like 12-year-olds.
More on that later, as the scene was just one part of Bizarro Wednesday at Miller Park.
...Moments later, the blonde reporter was chatting with Alfonso Soriano. At one point, she placed her hand suggestively on Soriano’s left biceps.
Was I reading too much into all this? I don’t think so. I’ve been a paid observer for a long time ... and I wasn’t exactly the only one who noticed. As two Cubs stood near their lockers, one asked the other: “Hot? Or just attractive? Does she do anything for you?” The inquisitor then made eye contact with me as if saying — to use a term my uncle might have — “Hubba-hubba!”
This went on for at least an hour. Finally, Piniella emerged from his office, ready for his dugout media session. As he turned the corner, there was Andrews in all of her bare-legged, high-heeled, low-necklined glory.
“Hey, hey, hey! Look at this!” Piniella said, loudly and excitedly. “Are you doing a baseball game today or a modeling assignment?”
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sniff... sniff... I smell Pulitzer
And this thread IS useless without pics. Or with them, really.
That's Mike "I'll have nothing to do with Primer" Nadel* to you.
*(trust I'm getting my Nadels correct, since Wiki is down)
Maybe I will watch ESPN again some day.
Right, you are.
Huh. Is Nadel for real? That isn't very revealing.
I was thinking that, too. Will both Nadel and Piniella feel the Wrath of Zumsteg?
Hack.
Still, she probably wouldn't even have a job is she wasn't so freaking hot and the casualness she shows (I'm thinking of her chumminess and softball interviews), wouldn't be tolerated with anyone else.
She apparently parties pretty hard too, as a few friends of mine have seen her out at bars and such completely wasted.
1) Her job is harder because she's female
2) While tons of qualified women didn't get jobs in sports journalism because of their gender, she got much further based on her exceptionalism
3) All of the people cat-calling are ########.
Well she went to school in Florida, so that's pretty much a given.
2) While tons of qualified women didn't get jobs in sports journalism because of their gender, she got much further based on her exceptionalism
3) All of the people cat-calling are ########.
All three seem reasonable. But enough of that. Take your top off, Eraser-X. Woo!
Not until you hire him.
She got as far as she did because she's a hottie.
It's not a scandal, it's true in sports (ever watch FSN?) and news (esp local news) as well.
That, by the way, was the most exciting summer activity when I was a kid/teenager.
Ah, kids' letters from slutty camp.
Dear Mom and Dad,
Weather is great. Went swimming yesterday and saw a turtle.
Running a little low on cash, please send $50 for ice cream trips on weekends. Please send only $1 bills, because the ice cream man doesn't have change.
Love,
Bobby
No offense to your wife, but I disagree pretty strongly here. A lot of women I work with (college campus) wear stuff like this in the summer--skirts of that length are cooler than pants or long skirts, and it is too hot for pantyhose. Now, they don't all look as good as Andrews does, obviously, in that type of outfit, but for a woman to wear that while working outdoors in late July is reasonable. Because she's blonde and hot and working in an all-male media-driven context, it draws attention. I suppose she could wear summerweight pants, but MOST of the women under 40 I work with wear skirts and dresses this time of year, and the ones with good bodies tend to wear slightly shorter ones. I don't see that as slutty.
uhhuhuhuh yeah. Double D market. heheheheheh.
/Beavis
No. It is possible that they could be true but not in her case. Her job is harder because her employment markets her as a T&A;fest and Erin furthers those views by acting like a T&A;fest. Which in turns creates an atmosphere in which people cat call her. I know tons of beautiful women who most certainly do not give off this aura of "hey baby, hey".
Kind of like a bullfighting ad in a Michael Vick article.
Ah, it's not the misogynists fault--she was asking for it.
(In fairness, I thought the same about Jayson's Stark's ensemble.)
She wears what the wardrobe folks give her. She looks the way the makeup folks make her look. Her hair is worn the way the stylist styles it. It wouldn't shock me if they paid for a boob job.
I agree that outfit is not slutty ... but even if you think it is, ESPN is slutty, not her. No news there.
Yep because all victims are innocent victims who did absolutely nothing create the atmosphere.
Erin Andrews flirts with the ballplayers, flirts with the fans, flirts with the announcers, wears totally unprofessional clothing for a "serious" profession, but you are right it isn't her fault because gosh darnit the world is supposed to be a pleasant place to live and if a woman wants to take off her clothes and walk around nude we shouldn't notice that or comment on that instead we should respect her what is possibly in her mind.
I agree that outfit is not slutty ... but even if you think it is, ESPN is slutty, not her. No news there
She obviously has a say in it. Either by a contract she agreed upon or by choosing her own clothes. If she accepts the image that ESPN is creating for then that is her image.
Sluts, whores, wenches, women of ill repute, streetwalkers, harlots, trollops, strumpets, loose women, among others.
She's known as one of Barry's Hookers -- by the other women.
I got nothing against Andrews or any other woman who wants to flaunt. More power to ya, baby.
Yeah, basically. I mean, do you think it's really that difficult to respond to flirting without resorting to the same old uninspired sexist crap?
Is it the lack of pantyhose?
Is it the neckline?
Is it the length of the dress?
Is it that terrible belt (it really is unforgiveable)?
Like Freud said,
Sometimes a woman sitting on her knees with her mouth open is just a whore.
What does Paula Zahn, Maria Shriver, and Katie Couric where in the summer time while performing their job? Tube top and a leather skirt?
It's the hot body under it. Baseball clubhouses are chock-full of men who do most of their thinking with their little head.
Apparently BBTF as well.
Down, boy, down!
Can you answer my question, since EA is not wearing a tube top and leather skirt? What's slutty about this outfit?
You forgot the knee-high boots.
Doesn't she always flaunt her legs?
Depends on the climate, Sunny Jim.
Out here, that outfit would not even be slightly remarkable for a secretary, receptionist, retail workers, counter help, etc. I know women lawyers who regularly dress like something out of Ally McBeal, who make Erin look positively conservative.
Of course, in the resort areas (Waikiki, mainly; Kona on the Big Island), the dress code is even looser.
Gotta figure how to fit that on a vanity plate.
Maybe it's something about Wrigley that brings out the beast.
I believe I did. Would you call Erin's outfit business dress? Would you call it business casual? Sutcliffe and O'Brian had suits and ties on. Pretty much all male sideline reporters were the jacket and tie. Erin is very much obviously has a different dress code then her male counterparts.
Yes, and the minus the disrespect, I have no idea about Erin Andrews' sex life, nor do I care.
But what percentage of the time is guy who sees the woman and finds some compelling need to be derogatory an insecure, sexist #######?
We aren't talking about flirting, or suggestiveness, we're talking about the verbal equivalent of trying to hump her leg.
Nope.
Would you call Erin's outfit business dress? Would you call it business casual?
So basically, the only categories of dress you are aware of, is business dress, business casual, and slut? Maybe you need to get out more.
Erin is very much obviously has a different dress code then her male counterparts.
So? How does that make the outfit "slutty"?
According to Nadel it was Erin who was trying hump their leg.
This doesn't answer the question. Business dress? She's not doing business in any typical sense. She's working on television, which I submit is a unique business environment. Sure, she has a different dress code than her male counterparts, in part, I'm assuming, b/c she's a woman. So, no jacket and tie.
Ok, now we've established she has a different dress code than her male counterparts. But is it slutty? I've looked at other images of her at google, and she's almost always in pants and a top and occasionally in a dress like this. But, again, is it slutty, and if so, why? I'm w/Srul and others in not seeing it.
EDIT: What Srul said w/greater concision.
Where do I say it is "slutty"?
with
???
Supposed to be, according to who?
Her profession is: Sideline Eye Candy with a working knowledge of the sport.
She fills the role in baseball that is filled in football by shots of the cheerleaders and in basketball by the Laker Girls. Only, since they can't do it so obviously, she has to ask questions and give the appearance of knowing something about the sport.
Which is what all the sideline reporters should be.
Sexy, yes.
Slutty, no.
For some men, of course, there is no difference.
Her profession is: Sideline Eye Candy with a working knowledge of the sport.
If her job is to be a serious reporter it is inappropriate. If her job is to be eye candy and she acts like it then why are the people who respond to it sexist whatever the asterisks are that eraser had? That is my point, I don't give a rats-arse under what slut category her dress falls under.
And in hockey by the European players.
This week, there was a 33-year-old customer who came into my workplace who was dressed completely professionally, had her hair pulled back, wearing a suit, and I still had to keep myself from drooling over her. None of that could hide that she was smokin'. I'd imagine that if she let her hair down it'd cause havoc in her career.
Perhaps calling her a dirty girl enables some of us to deal with our own repressed sexual desires in the workplace.
And a baseball clubhouse is one of the least repressed workplaces in the world.
And btw -- women are worse than men when it comes to judging women sluts.
I like this. I might have gone w/"the Swedish players", but this is good.
As a Knicks fan, you'll get no argument from me.
If my aunt had wheels, she'd be a Truck.
What is there about Television Sideline Reporter that even suggests "serious reporter" is part of the qualifications.
I am beginning to think that you are one of those people who assumes that if a woman is not dressed like a school marm, she is automatically a slut. Maybe you would be happy if she was wearing a burqa?
If you can't find your way to the 21st century, at least see if you get as far as the latter part of the 20th
EDIT -- and what Loose Nuts said.
or especially with the habit. Around here, that costs $50 extra. Vigorous use of the ruler is another $50.
What is there about my posts that make you ignore my point and want to quibble with the part I have stated I care the least about and think is the least important issue? If you want somebody to play the fool for you so you can appear to be the gallant gent on an anonymous site just say so.
1) Erin Andrews is sexually attractive
2) Erin Andrews knows men find her sexually attractive
3) Instead of hiding her sexuality for acceptance, Erin Andrews appears to enjoy the attention from men (or at least doesn't discourage it like her other contemporaries in "journalism")
4) There ain't a damn thing wrong with 1, 2 or 3.
Oh, and she's competent, too. I can't remember a time when a sideline reporter actually added something to a broadcast, and there are way too many times when I've wanted to scratch my face off due to some hideous question. Andrews looks pretty, is enthusiastic and has an engaging way about her. Plus, it's always fun to wonder whether a player is going to crack under her spell of hotness and hit on her, Joe Namath-on-Suzy-Kolber style. So back off, rent some porn and stop calling sideline reporters sluts, you cavemen.
And I disagree that you have to express your attraction to someone by calling them a "slut" and asking if "she does anything" for them to your peers.
Anyone else notice this in the article:
A paid observer of what?
Furthermore, whatever her intentions are, the idea that specific clothing means that you are categorically trying to get people to want to have sex with you is pretty foul.
I enjoy wearing form fitting PVC and three piece shirts. That doesn't mean I want strange people wanting to have sex with me.
1) I see lots of male baseball foul line reporters wearing a polo shirt with the top button undone. They aren't all in suit and tie. Probably fewer than half are. So Andrews wears casual attire and looks good in it. That isn't her fault. Or slutty.
2) Her ta-tas were that big back with TBS before she even got around to ESPN playoff hockey coverage and riding Martin St. Louis's jock. So ESPN didn't pay her to attach a couple balloons to her chest.
Maybe not strange people, but definitely other guys.
That sounds <strike>hot</strike> warm.
Frankly, I have a hard time figuring out what your point is.
As near as I can make it out, you seems to be saying that she is not dressing in the manner that you believe a serious journalist should dress, and is therefore slutty, or maybe just proto-slutty (I am still waiting for clarification I requested per #63).
The problem is that (a) she is not pretending to be Red Smith or Roger Angell or Sydney Schanberg or even Peter Gammons; she is just a sideline television inteviewer/personality; and (b) her clothing is sexy, but not "slutty", which in fact is probably appropriate to her role.
The rest of your point, if anything, seems to be taking everything Nadel says at face value, and then opining that:
I simply disagree with Eraser's view that people acting the way she encourages them to act somehow makes these people horrible people.
Given that he comes across as borderline creepy, I am not sure I would give his "observations" all that much credence. Second, it is not at all apparent that she is encouraging men to act like high school boys.
The problem, of course, is that she is interacting with a demographic (professional baseball players and the knights of the keyboard) who probably have not advanced all that far from high school in any event.
I seriously thought that was an Onion article when I first hit the link (naturally, my eyes were drawn to the photos before they were drawn to the NYT masthead). Jesus christ. Those things are wrong on about 12 different levels. "Incredibly goofy" is putting it kindly.
Now, if I could get away with wearing a linen shirt and cargo shorts to work on a humid day, I'd do it in a heartbeat, but I'm by no means desperate enough to wear shorts to the office to wear those friggin' freakshow outfits.
Here MDAA
Yes, she does.
Yes, he does.
They don't have wardrobe folk.
They have makeup folk, but in the studios only. Not on the road.
They don't have hair stylists at all. If you mean her personal one, my apologies.
I really, really doubt it.
I think that would depend on what it is that's put you on your death bed.
Then she needs to accept that some will be calling her a slut because of the way she dresses. She should not get all the benefits of her looks ("look at me, wearing a short dress!") and none of the disadvantages ("I'm a professional journalist, just one who wears short dresses and blouses that show my cleavage. How dare you objectify me!")
so that Amish thing is working out well? ; )
Just a terrible article. Over the top. Unprofessional. It's only journalist wasteland.
It still wouldn't be the sex (unless it was due to a heart attack in which case as causes of death go...), it would be the method that did it.
Is there any evidence she doesn't? Does the fact that some will inevitably do so therefore justify it.
Why can't i walk down a street free of suggestion?
Is my body the only trait in the eye's of men?
I've got some skin
You want to look in
There lays no reward in what you discover
You spent yourself watching me suffer
Suffer you words, suffer your eyes, suffer your hands
Suffer your interpretation of what it is to be a man
I've got some skin
You want to look in
She does nothing to deserve it
He only wants to observe it
We sit back like they taught us
We keep quiet like they taught us
He just wants to prove it
She does nothing to remove it
We don't want anyone to mind us
So we play the roles that they assigned us
She does nothing to conceal it
He touches her 'cause he wants to feel it
We blame her for being there
But we are all guilty
123 repeater!
And I guess Eraser needs to accept being called a chink because of how he looks, Sam needs to accept being called a filthy queer because of who he #####, and one of my exes needs to accept being called a ###### because of her backround.
Wrong.
And I will not accept it.
Never.
That's just silly, she dresses no more or less appropriately than most other women on TV these days. Pretty much all women on TV news programs dress in a style that would have been considered too risque or offensive years ago. Big deal.
Pish-posh. Some of us highly evolved beings saw Minor Threat back in the day. (I had to drive about 110 miles down the interstate to Tucson for that show, even though they were playing Phoenix -- where I lived -- the next night, because the latter gig conflicted with Prince's show & I wasn't about to miss Prince.)
Goddammit. You knew that was coming. However, I apparently didn't.
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