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Thursday, July 31, 2008

Nadel: Blonde bombshell can’t distract red-hot Cubs

Conny Van Dyke got a gig with ESPN?!  Cool!

Erin Andrews, the ESPN “it” babe who clearly isn’t afraid to flaunt it, sauntered around the visiting clubhouse, flitting from one Cubs player to another. Her skimpy outfit — designed to accentuate her, um, positives — had players leering at her. Some made lewd comments under their breath. Others giggled like 12-year-olds.

More on that later, as the scene was just one part of Bizarro Wednesday at Miller Park.

...Moments later, the blonde reporter was chatting with Alfonso Soriano. At one point, she placed her hand suggestively on Soriano’s left biceps.

Was I reading too much into all this? I don’t think so. I’ve been a paid observer for a long time ... and I wasn’t exactly the only one who noticed. As two Cubs stood near their lockers, one asked the other: “Hot? Or just attractive? Does she do anything for you?” The inquisitor then made eye contact with me as if saying — to use a term my uncle might have — “Hubba-hubba!”

This went on for at least an hour. Finally, Piniella emerged from his office, ready for his dugout media session. As he turned the corner, there was Andrews in all of her bare-legged, high-heeled, low-necklined glory.

“Hey, hey, hey! Look at this!” Piniella said, loudly and excitedly. “Are you doing a baseball game today or a modeling assignment?”

Repoz Posted: July 31, 2008 at 10:28 PM | 121 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. phredbird Posted: July 31, 2008 at 11:03 PM (#2885502)
dang. no pix?
   2. Guapo Posted: July 31, 2008 at 11:06 PM (#2885507)
The inquisitor then made eye contact with me as if saying — to use a term my uncle might have — “Hubba-hubba!”



sniff... sniff... I smell Pulitzer
   3. PepTech Posted: July 31, 2008 at 11:08 PM (#2885509)
That's not what you're smelling.

And this thread IS useless without pics. Or with them, really.
   4. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: July 31, 2008 at 11:10 PM (#2885512)
Instead of pics of Erin Andrews, we get a giant picture of Mike Nadel.
   5. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 31, 2008 at 11:13 PM (#2885514)
Without pics, this article is useless.
   6. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: July 31, 2008 at 11:13 PM (#2885515)
Here's a picture of her from yesterday, I think.
   7. Guy LeDouche Posted: July 31, 2008 at 11:19 PM (#2885522)
You gotta love dirty, dirty whores
   8. Repoz Posted: July 31, 2008 at 11:21 PM (#2885527)
we get a giant picture of Mike Nadel

That's Mike "I'll have nothing to do with Primer" Nadel* to you.

*(trust I'm getting my Nadels correct, since Wiki is down)
   9. zonk Posted: July 31, 2008 at 11:29 PM (#2885531)
Hmmm...

Maybe I will watch ESPN again some day.
   10. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: July 31, 2008 at 11:29 PM (#2885532)
*(trust I'm getting my Nadels correct, since Wiki is down)


Right, you are.
   11. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 31, 2008 at 11:53 PM (#2885545)
Here's a picture of her from yesterday, I think.

Huh. Is Nadel for real? That isn't very revealing.
   12. _ Posted: July 31, 2008 at 11:57 PM (#2885552)
It's almost impossible (especially for a man) to comment on this story without sounding like either a prude, a leering pervert, or both, so it's probably best not to say anything. On the one hand, ESPN is very clearly using sex to sell its product. On the other hand, shame on you for noticing that. Her eyes are up here, pal. She's got a brain and a journalizzm degree!
   13. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: August 01, 2008 at 12:06 AM (#2885568)
Wow, I went to the blog link. I'm reminded how tough it must be to be female in a male dominated profession.
   14. robinred Posted: August 01, 2008 at 12:07 AM (#2885570)
Zumsteg will have fun with this.
   15. NTNgod Posted: August 01, 2008 at 12:08 AM (#2885572)
Zumsteg will have fun with this.

I was thinking that, too. Will both Nadel and Piniella feel the Wrath of Zumsteg?
   16. Old Matt Posted: August 01, 2008 at 12:13 AM (#2885577)
Middle of a pennant race and this is the best thing he has to write about?

Hack.
   17. Ozzie's gay friend Posted: August 01, 2008 at 12:18 AM (#2885584)
I've seen her at a couple things, I kinda felt bad for her really because both times she was try to do her job, sideline reporter and an on-location behind the desk thing, while like a hundred guys shouted lame and lewd come-ons at her.

Still, she probably wouldn't even have a job is she wasn't so freaking hot and the casualness she shows (I'm thinking of her chumminess and softball interviews), wouldn't be tolerated with anyone else.

She apparently parties pretty hard too, as a few friends of mine have seen her out at bars and such completely wasted.
   18. jwb Posted: August 01, 2008 at 12:24 AM (#2885592)
What the hell is "flitting?"
"Flitting" is how dedicated followers of fashion move.
   19. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: August 01, 2008 at 12:24 AM (#2885593)
Can't all of these be true:
1) Her job is harder because she's female
2) While tons of qualified women didn't get jobs in sports journalism because of their gender, she got much further based on her exceptionalism
3) All of the people cat-calling are ########.
   20. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: August 01, 2008 at 12:26 AM (#2885594)
She apparently parties pretty hard too, as a few friends of mine have seen her out at bars and such completely wasted.

Well she went to school in Florida, so that's pretty much a given.
   21. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: August 01, 2008 at 12:26 AM (#2885595)
1) Her job is harder because she's female
2) While tons of qualified women didn't get jobs in sports journalism because of their gender, she got much further based on her exceptionalism
3) All of the people cat-calling are ########.


All three seem reasonable. But enough of that. Take your top off, Eraser-X. Woo!
   22. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: August 01, 2008 at 12:29 AM (#2885598)
Take your top off, Eraser-X. Woo!


Not until you hire him.
   23. Ozzie's gay friend Posted: August 01, 2008 at 12:30 AM (#2885599)
Dude, if erin was a radio gal she'd still be in some class D market.

She got as far as she did because she's a hottie.
It's not a scandal, it's true in sports (ever watch FSN?) and news (esp local news) as well.
   24. JoeHova Posted: August 01, 2008 at 12:32 AM (#2885602)
I showed my wife the pic of Andrews' outfit and she thought (in the context of being at your job) that it went beyond merely slutty to whorish. I'm more in the slutty camp.
   25. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: August 01, 2008 at 12:52 AM (#2885617)
the slutty camp

That, by the way, was the most exciting summer activity when I was a kid/teenager.

Ah, kids' letters from slutty camp.
   26. Russ Posted: August 01, 2008 at 12:59 AM (#2885625)
Ah, kids' letters from slutty camp.

Dear Mom and Dad

Weather is greatWent swimming yesterday and saw a turtle

Running a little low on cashplease send $50 for ice cream trips on weekendsPlease send only $1 billsbecause the ice cream man doesn't have change. 

Love, 

Bobby 
   27. robinred Posted: August 01, 2008 at 01:01 AM (#2885629)
merely slutty to whorish. I'm more in the slutty camp


No offense to your wife, but I disagree pretty strongly here. A lot of women I work with (college campus) wear stuff like this in the summer--skirts of that length are cooler than pants or long skirts, and it is too hot for pantyhose. Now, they don't all look as good as Andrews does, obviously, in that type of outfit, but for a woman to wear that while working outdoors in late July is reasonable. Because she's blonde and hot and working in an all-male media-driven context, it draws attention. I suppose she could wear summerweight pants, but MOST of the women under 40 I work with wear skirts and dresses this time of year, and the ones with good bodies tend to wear slightly shorter ones. I don't see that as slutty.
   28. H_Vaughn08 Posted: August 01, 2008 at 01:04 AM (#2885631)
Her job is stupid. Baseball foul line reporters of either sex add zero value: Gammons' clumsy live VOs over B-roll/graphic packages; Starks' pointless stat packs.
   29. robinred Posted: August 01, 2008 at 01:07 AM (#2885634)
   30. AROM Posted: August 01, 2008 at 01:48 AM (#2885671)
Dude, if erin was a radio gal she'd still be in some class D market.


uhhuhuhuh yeah. Double D market. heheheheheh.

/Beavis
   31. McCoy Posted: August 01, 2008 at 01:48 AM (#2885672)
Can't all of these be true:

No. It is possible that they could be true but not in her case. Her job is harder because her employment markets her as a T&A;fest and Erin furthers those views by acting like a T&A;fest. Which in turns creates an atmosphere in which people cat call her. I know tons of beautiful women who most certainly do not give off this aura of "hey baby, hey".
   32. SouthSideRyan Posted: August 01, 2008 at 01:53 AM (#2885683)
I'm with #27. Calling that outfit whorish or slutty or whatever is crazy. What exactly is the problem here? The skirt? The lack of pantyhose?
   33. depletion Posted: August 01, 2008 at 01:58 AM (#2885689)
Am I the only one who thought it was odd to have an ad for "Tokyo Spa" on the same page as Nadel's article?
Kind of like a bullfighting ad in a Michael Vick article.
   34. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: August 01, 2008 at 01:59 AM (#2885690)
No. It is possible that they could be true but not in her case. Her job is harder because her employment markets her as a T&A;fest and Erin furthers those views by acting like a T&A;fest. Which in turns creates an atmosphere in which people cat call her. I know tons of beautiful women who most certainly do not give off this aura of "hey baby, hey".


Ah, it's not the misogynists fault--she was asking for it.
   35. JC in DC Posted: August 01, 2008 at 02:14 AM (#2885718)
I guess sluttiness is in the eye of the beholder. Anyway, I'm with those who don't find the outfit particularly risque. In fact, I don't find it attractive. It's a swirly mess, the belt's hideous, and she looks hippy.

(In fairness, I thought the same about Jayson's Stark's ensemble.)
   36. Walt Davis Posted: August 01, 2008 at 02:15 AM (#2885720)
More to the point ... do you really think Andrews chooses her own wardrobe? Do you think Stuart Scott chooses his own ties?

She wears what the wardrobe folks give her. She looks the way the makeup folks make her look. Her hair is worn the way the stylist styles it. It wouldn't shock me if they paid for a boob job.

I agree that outfit is not slutty ... but even if you think it is, ESPN is slutty, not her. No news there.
   37. McCoy Posted: August 01, 2008 at 02:17 AM (#2885721)
Ah, it's not the misogynists fault--she was asking for it.

Yep because all victims are innocent victims who did absolutely nothing create the atmosphere.

Erin Andrews flirts with the ballplayers, flirts with the fans, flirts with the announcers, wears totally unprofessional clothing for a "serious" profession, but you are right it isn't her fault because gosh darnit the world is supposed to be a pleasant place to live and if a woman wants to take off her clothes and walk around nude we shouldn't notice that or comment on that instead we should respect her what is possibly in her mind.
   38. McCoy Posted: August 01, 2008 at 02:20 AM (#2885727)
She wears what the wardrobe folks give her. She looks the way the makeup folks make her look. Her hair is worn the way the stylist styles it. It wouldn't shock me if they paid for a boob job.

I agree that outfit is not slutty ... but even if you think it is, ESPN is slutty, not her. No news there


She obviously has a say in it. Either by a contract she agreed upon or by choosing her own clothes. If she accepts the image that ESPN is creating for then that is her image.
   39. The George Sherrill Selection Posted: August 01, 2008 at 02:25 AM (#2885734)
Does anyone dress that way to work? Besides hookers?
   40. JC in DC Posted: August 01, 2008 at 02:40 AM (#2885747)
Does anyone dress that way to work? Besides hookers?


Sluts, whores, wenches, women of ill repute, streetwalkers, harlots, trollops, strumpets, loose women, among others.
   41. PerroX Posted: August 01, 2008 at 02:46 AM (#2885750)
There's a woman that works in sales/recruiting that dresses that way at work.

She's known as one of Barry's Hookers -- by the other women.

I got nothing against Andrews or any other woman who wants to flaunt. More power to ya, baby.
   42. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: August 01, 2008 at 02:48 AM (#2885752)
Erin Andrews flirts with the ballplayers, flirts with the fans, flirts with the announcers, wears totally unprofessional clothing for a "serious" profession, but you are right it isn't her fault because gosh darnit the world is supposed to be a pleasant place to live and if a woman wants to take off her clothes and walk around nude we shouldn't notice that or comment on that instead we should respect her what is possibly in her mind.


Yeah, basically. I mean, do you think it's really that difficult to respond to flirting without resorting to the same old uninspired sexist crap?
   43. JC in DC Posted: August 01, 2008 at 02:50 AM (#2885755)
What exactly - and I'm asking this in all seriousness - is slutty about her outfit?

Is it the lack of pantyhose?
Is it the neckline?
Is it the length of the dress?
Is it that terrible belt (it really is unforgiveable)?
   44. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 01, 2008 at 02:51 AM (#2885756)
This is the second Erin Andrews "news" item in the last few weeks where I watched the game in question and was subsequently surprised to read about an alleged controversy afterwards. The first regarded Sutt's sexist remarks. In both cases, I don't see what the big deal is. It's almost August. What's she supposed to be wearing, a full ball gown from the 1930s?
   45. McCoy Posted: August 01, 2008 at 02:52 AM (#2885757)
How is it sexist if someone is openly and publicly flirting with pretty much everybody?

Like Freud said,

Sometimes a woman sitting on her knees with her mouth open is just a whore.
   46. McCoy Posted: August 01, 2008 at 02:53 AM (#2885761)
This is the second Erin Andrews "news" item in the last few weeks where I watched the game in question and was subsequently surprised to read about an alleged controversy afterwards. The first regarded Sutt's sexist remarks. In both cases, I don't see what the big deal is. It's almost August. What's she supposed to be wearing, a full ball gown from the 1930s

What does Paula Zahn, Maria Shriver, and Katie Couric where in the summer time while performing their job? Tube top and a leather skirt?
   47. PerroX Posted: August 01, 2008 at 02:56 AM (#2885762)
What exactly - and I'm asking this in all seriousness - is slutty about her outfit?

It's the hot body under it. Baseball clubhouses are chock-full of men who do most of their thinking with their little head.

Apparently BBTF as well.

Down, boy, down!
   48. JC in DC Posted: August 01, 2008 at 02:57 AM (#2885763)
What does Paula Zahn, Maria Shriver, and Katie Couric where in the summer time while performing their job? Tube top and a leather skirt?


Can you answer my question, since EA is not wearing a tube top and leather skirt? What's slutty about this outfit?
   49. The George Sherrill Selection Posted: August 01, 2008 at 02:57 AM (#2885764)
What does Paula Zahn, Maria Shriver, and Katie Couric where in the summer time while performing their job? Tube top and a leather skirt?


You forgot the knee-high boots.
   50. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 01, 2008 at 02:57 AM (#2885765)
Katie Couric

Doesn't she always flaunt her legs?
   51. Srul Itza Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:00 AM (#2885768)
Does anyone dress that way to work? Besides hookers?

Depends on the climate, Sunny Jim.

Out here, that outfit would not even be slightly remarkable for a secretary, receptionist, retail workers, counter help, etc. I know women lawyers who regularly dress like something out of Ally McBeal, who make Erin look positively conservative.

Of course, in the resort areas (Waikiki, mainly; Kona on the Big Island), the dress code is even looser.
   52. PerroX Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:01 AM (#2885771)
Loose Nuts Loves Sluts.

Gotta figure how to fit that on a vanity plate.

Maybe it's something about Wrigley that brings out the beast.
   53. McCoy Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:02 AM (#2885773)
Can you answer my question, since EA is not wearing a tube top and leather skirt? What's slutty about this outfit?

I believe I did. Would you call Erin's outfit business dress? Would you call it business casual? Sutcliffe and O'Brian had suits and ties on. Pretty much all male sideline reporters were the jacket and tie. Erin is very much obviously has a different dress code then her male counterparts.
   54. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:05 AM (#2885775)
Sometimes a woman sitting on her knees with her mouth open is just a whore.


Yes, and the minus the disrespect, I have no idea about Erin Andrews' sex life, nor do I care.

But what percentage of the time is guy who sees the woman and finds some compelling need to be derogatory an insecure, sexist #######?

We aren't talking about flirting, or suggestiveness, we're talking about the verbal equivalent of trying to hump her leg.
   55. Srul Itza Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:06 AM (#2885776)
I believe I did.

Nope.

Would you call Erin's outfit business dress? Would you call it business casual?

So basically, the only categories of dress you are aware of, is business dress, business casual, and slut? Maybe you need to get out more.

Erin is very much obviously has a different dress code then her male counterparts.

So? How does that make the outfit "slutty"?
   56. McCoy Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:06 AM (#2885778)
We aren't talking about flirting, or suggestiveness, we're talking about the verbal equivalent of trying to hump her leg.

According to Nadel it was Erin who was trying hump their leg.
   57. JC in DC Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:06 AM (#2885779)
I believe I did. Would you call Erin's outfit business dress? Would you call it business casual? Sutcliffe and O'Brian had suits and ties on. Pretty much all male sideline reporters were the jacket and tie. Erin is very much obviously has a different dress code then her male counterparts.


This doesn't answer the question. Business dress? She's not doing business in any typical sense. She's working on television, which I submit is a unique business environment. Sure, she has a different dress code than her male counterparts, in part, I'm assuming, b/c she's a woman. So, no jacket and tie.

Ok, now we've established she has a different dress code than her male counterparts. But is it slutty? I've looked at other images of her at google, and she's almost always in pants and a top and occasionally in a dress like this. But, again, is it slutty, and if so, why? I'm w/Srul and others in not seeing it.

EDIT: What Srul said w/greater concision.
   58. McCoy Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:08 AM (#2885781)
So? How does that make the outfit "slutty"?

Where do I say it is "slutty"?
   59. McCoy Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:11 AM (#2885782)
I simply believe that she is wearing inappropriate dress for what her profession is supposed to be and her actions according to what Nadel said are inappropriate for her profession as well. Furthermore it looks from her actions and her dress that she promotes an atmosphere filled with sexual overtones. Is that necessarily bad? Not really, again it appears that she encourages this behavior by her own actions. I simply disagree with Eraser's view that people acting the way she encourages them to act somehow makes these people horrible people.
   60. Srul Itza Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:12 AM (#2885783)
If you are not saying it is slutty, what precisely did you mean by responding to:

Can you answer my question . . .What's slutty about this outfit?


with

I believe I did.


???
   61. JC in DC Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:12 AM (#2885784)
True. You didn't call it slutty, you only called it a "T&A;Fest," obliquely (at least) called her a whore, assented to the term "slutty" and offered that that was her choice when it was suggested that ESPN sets her wardrobe, and compared it to taking off all her clothes and walking around nude. All apologies.
   62. Srul Itza Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:15 AM (#2885786)
I simply believe that she is wearing inappropiated dress for what her profession is supposed to be

Supposed to be, according to who?

Her profession is: Sideline Eye Candy with a working knowledge of the sport.

She fills the role in baseball that is filled in football by shots of the cheerleaders and in basketball by the Laker Girls. Only, since they can't do it so obviously, she has to ask questions and give the appearance of knowing something about the sport.
   63. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:17 AM (#2885787)
Sideline Eye Candy with a working knowledge of the sport.

Which is what all the sideline reporters should be.
   64. Srul Itza Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:17 AM (#2885788)
That still does not mean she dresses slutty.

Sexy, yes.

Slutty, no.

For some men, of course, there is no difference.
   65. McCoy Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:18 AM (#2885789)
Supposed to be, according to who?

Her profession is: Sideline Eye Candy with a working knowledge of the sport.


If her job is to be a serious reporter it is inappropriate. If her job is to be eye candy and she acts like it then why are the people who respond to it sexist whatever the asterisks are that eraser had? That is my point, I don't give a rats-arse under what slut category her dress falls under.
   66. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:19 AM (#2885790)
She fills the role in baseball that is filled in football by shots of the cheerleaders and in basketball by the Laker Girls.


And in hockey by the European players.
   67. PerroX Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:20 AM (#2885792)
Erin Andrews is tall (5'10"), busty and blonde. She could dress as a nun and still fill the "slut" role for many men. Esp. without the habit.

This week, there was a 33-year-old customer who came into my workplace who was dressed completely professionally, had her hair pulled back, wearing a suit, and I still had to keep myself from drooling over her. None of that could hide that she was smokin'. I'd imagine that if she let her hair down it'd cause havoc in her career.

Perhaps calling her a dirty girl enables some of us to deal with our own repressed sexual desires in the workplace.

And a baseball clubhouse is one of the least repressed workplaces in the world.

And btw -- women are worse than men when it comes to judging women sluts.
   68. SouthSideRyan Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:20 AM (#2885793)
I don't really understand what Andrews's actions are that are drawing the attention either. Is Craig James bringing on catcalls with his fluff interviews? Ahmad Rashad did everything but get down on his knees for Jordan in the 90s. He probably deserved to be anally raped for those actions huh?
   69. JC in DC Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:22 AM (#2885794)
And in hockey by the European players.


I like this. I might have gone w/"the Swedish players", but this is good.
   70. JC in DC Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:23 AM (#2885795)
I don't really understand what Andrews's actions are that are drawing the attention either. Is Craig James bringing on catcalls with his fluff interviews? Ahmad Rashad did everything but get down on his knees for Jordan in the 90s. He probably deserved to be anally raped for those actions huh?


As a Knicks fan, you'll get no argument from me.
   71. Srul Itza Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:27 AM (#2885796)
If her job is to be a serious reporter it is inappropriate.

If my aunt had wheels, she'd be a Truck.

What is there about Television Sideline Reporter that even suggests "serious reporter" is part of the qualifications.

I am beginning to think that you are one of those people who assumes that if a woman is not dressed like a school marm, she is automatically a slut. Maybe you would be happy if she was wearing a burqa?

If you can't find your way to the 21st century, at least see if you get as far as the latter part of the 20th

EDIT -- and what Loose Nuts said.
   72. Srul Itza Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:29 AM (#2885797)
She could dress as a nun and still fill the "slut" role for many men. Esp. without the habit.

or especially with the habit. Around here, that costs $50 extra. Vigorous use of the ruler is another $50.
   73. McCoy Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:30 AM (#2885798)
What is there about Television Sideline Reporter that even suggests "serious reporter" is part of the qualifications.

What is there about my posts that make you ignore my point and want to quibble with the part I have stated I care the least about and think is the least important issue? If you want somebody to play the fool for you so you can appear to be the gallant gent on an anonymous site just say so.
   74. RyanMcC Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:48 AM (#2885809)
Facts:
1) Erin Andrews is sexually attractive
2) Erin Andrews knows men find her sexually attractive
3) Instead of hiding her sexuality for acceptance, Erin Andrews appears to enjoy the attention from men (or at least doesn't discourage it like her other contemporaries in "journalism")
4) There ain't a damn thing wrong with 1, 2 or 3.

Oh, and she's competent, too. I can't remember a time when a sideline reporter actually added something to a broadcast, and there are way too many times when I've wanted to scratch my face off due to some hideous question. Andrews looks pretty, is enthusiastic and has an engaging way about her. Plus, it's always fun to wonder whether a player is going to crack under her spell of hotness and hit on her, Joe Namath-on-Suzy-Kolber style. So back off, rent some porn and stop calling sideline reporters sluts, you cavemen.
   75. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: August 01, 2008 at 03:51 AM (#2885811)
I simply disagree with Eraser's view that people acting the way she encourages them to act somehow makes these people horrible people.


And I disagree that you have to express your attraction to someone by calling them a "slut" and asking if "she does anything" for them to your peers.

Anyone else notice this in the article:

Was I reading too much into all this? I don’t think so. I’ve been a paid observer for a long time


A paid observer of what?

Furthermore, whatever her intentions are, the idea that specific clothing means that you are categorically trying to get people to want to have sex with you is pretty foul.

I enjoy wearing form fitting PVC and three piece shirts. That doesn't mean I want strange people wanting to have sex with me.
   76. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: August 01, 2008 at 04:05 AM (#2885826)
Couple things:

1) I see lots of male baseball foul line reporters wearing a polo shirt with the top button undone. They aren't all in suit and tie. Probably fewer than half are. So Andrews wears casual attire and looks good in it. That isn't her fault. Or slutty.

2) Her ta-tas were that big back with TBS before she even got around to ESPN playoff hockey coverage and riding Martin St. Louis's jock. So ESPN didn't pay her to attach a couple balloons to her chest.
   77. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: August 01, 2008 at 04:07 AM (#2885828)
I enjoy wearing form fitting PVC and three piece shirts. That doesn't mean I want strange people wanting to have sex with me.

Maybe not strange people, but definitely other guys.
   78. PerroX Posted: August 01, 2008 at 04:07 AM (#2885829)
I enjoy wearing form fitting PVC and three piece shirts.


That sounds <strike>hot</strike> warm.
   79. Srul Itza Posted: August 01, 2008 at 04:20 AM (#2885846)
What is there about my posts that make you ignore my point and want to quibble with the part I have stated I care the least about and think is the least important issue?

Frankly, I have a hard time figuring out what your point is.

As near as I can make it out, you seems to be saying that she is not dressing in the manner that you believe a serious journalist should dress, and is therefore slutty, or maybe just proto-slutty (I am still waiting for clarification I requested per #63).

The problem is that (a) she is not pretending to be Red Smith or Roger Angell or Sydney Schanberg or even Peter Gammons; she is just a sideline television inteviewer/personality; and (b) her clothing is sexy, but not "slutty", which in fact is probably appropriate to her role.

The rest of your point, if anything, seems to be taking everything Nadel says at face value, and then opining that:

I simply disagree with Eraser's view that people acting the way she encourages them to act somehow makes these people horrible people.

Given that he comes across as borderline creepy, I am not sure I would give his "observations" all that much credence. Second, it is not at all apparent that she is encouraging men to act like high school boys.

The problem, of course, is that she is interacting with a demographic (professional baseball players and the knights of the keyboard) who probably have not advanced all that far from high school in any event.
   80. Spahn Insane Posted: August 01, 2008 at 04:24 AM (#2885851)
Those short suits look incredibly goofy, robin. Even if I was in my twenties, I wouldn't be caught dead in one.

I seriously thought that was an Onion article when I first hit the link (naturally, my eyes were drawn to the photos before they were drawn to the NYT masthead). Jesus christ. Those things are wrong on about 12 different levels. "Incredibly goofy" is putting it kindly.

Now, if I could get away with wearing a linen shirt and cargo shorts to work on a humid day, I'd do it in a heartbeat, but I'm by no means desperate enough to wear shorts to the office to wear those friggin' freakshow outfits.
   81. billyshears Posted: August 01, 2008 at 04:46 AM (#2885871)
I feel like I am missing something here. Erin Andrews is hot. There's no question about that. But she's normal hot. Not so out of this world hot that I'm going to lose my #### around her.
   82. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 01, 2008 at 04:51 AM (#2885877)
So what's worse: Nadel opining negatively on Andrews' wardrobe and flirtatious behavior or Deadspin's extensive objectification of her?
   83. pv nasby Posted: August 01, 2008 at 05:03 AM (#2885883)
Nobody's posted her hottest pic in this thread yet? At least I think it's the hottest.

Here MDAA
   84. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: August 01, 2008 at 05:14 AM (#2885886)
More to the point ... do you really think Andrews chooses her own wardrobe? Do you think Stuart Scott chooses his own ties?

She wears what the wardrobe folks give her. She looks the way the makeup folks make her look. Her hair is worn the way the stylist styles it. It wouldn't shock me if they paid for a boob job.


Yes, she does.
Yes, he does.
They don't have wardrobe folk.
They have makeup folk, but in the studios only. Not on the road.
They don't have hair stylists at all. If you mean her personal one, my apologies.
I really, really doubt it.
   85. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: August 01, 2008 at 05:15 AM (#2885887)
Mostly because of the beak (but also the bodacious rack) I can kinda see that being Schmoopy in 50 years. Only me and Herbstreit are allowed to call her Schmoopy, btw, so don't even think about it.
   86. Biscuit_pants Posted: August 01, 2008 at 05:23 AM (#2885889)
Next TVerik is going to tell me that college mascots don't actually walk around ESPN studio's.
   87. JoeHova Posted: August 01, 2008 at 06:18 AM (#2885912)
I realize that I was the first to use slutty, but I didn't mean it literally. Perhaps it was the wrong word, I should have said suggestive or provocative or something. I don't know or care anything about her sex life and I wasn't trying to imply anything about it. I was just saying that, in my opinion, if you wear an outfit to work where you can't make a normal movement (bending over, reaching up, jumping, etc.) without worrying about your genitals being exposed, you are underdressed. That's my personal view on the issue. My wife went a bit farther and said she looked like she was trying to make somebody some money, which I guess she was, though not as explicitly and directly as a whore does.
   88. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: August 01, 2008 at 07:13 AM (#2885920)
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   89. We don't have dahlians at the Palace of Wisdom Posted: August 01, 2008 at 07:18 AM (#2885921)
God knows when I'm on my death bed one of my regrets won't be "had way too much sex"

I think that would depend on what it is that's put you on your death bed.
   90. The George Sherrill Selection Posted: August 01, 2008 at 07:50 AM (#2885928)
3) Instead of hiding her sexuality for acceptance, Erin Andrews appears to enjoy the attention from men (or at least doesn't discourage it like her other contemporaries in "journalism")


Then she needs to accept that some will be calling her a slut because of the way she dresses. She should not get all the benefits of her looks ("look at me, wearing a short dress!") and none of the disadvantages ("I'm a professional journalist, just one who wears short dresses and blouses that show my cleavage. How dare you objectify me!")
   91. Mom makes botox doctors furious Posted: August 01, 2008 at 07:52 AM (#2885929)
"merely slutty to whorish. I'm more in the slutty camp"

so that Amish thing is working out well? ; )

Just a terrible article. Over the top. Unprofessional. It's only journalist wasteland.
   92. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: August 01, 2008 at 08:07 AM (#2885931)
I think that would depend on what it is that's put you on your death bed.

It still wouldn't be the sex (unless it was due to a heart attack in which case as causes of death go...), it would be the method that did it.
   93. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: August 01, 2008 at 08:09 AM (#2885932)
Then she needs to accept that some will be calling her a slut because of the way she dresses.

Is there any evidence she doesn't? Does the fact that some will inevitably do so therefore justify it.
   94. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: August 01, 2008 at 08:52 AM (#2885936)
I just happen to be playing this song right now...(seriously)

Why can't i walk down a street free of suggestion?
Is my body the only trait in the eye's of men?
I've got some skin
You want to look in
There lays no reward in what you discover
You spent yourself watching me suffer
Suffer you words, suffer your eyes, suffer your hands
Suffer your interpretation of what it is to be a man
I've got some skin
You want to look in
She does nothing to deserve it
He only wants to observe it
We sit back like they taught us
We keep quiet like they taught us
He just wants to prove it
She does nothing to remove it
We don't want anyone to mind us
So we play the roles that they assigned us
She does nothing to conceal it
He touches her 'cause he wants to feel it
We blame her for being there
But we are all guilty
   95. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: August 01, 2008 at 09:11 AM (#2885938)
Good old Ian. Wanting to take the fun out of just about everything. :)
   96. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: August 01, 2008 at 09:53 AM (#2885942)
Seems once a year for about a fortnight or so, all I play is Fugazi. Little bit too much for the customers, but they'll survive. Always during a bad Red Sox stretch as well

123 repeater!
   97. Lassus Posted: August 01, 2008 at 11:03 AM (#2885949)
Then she needs to accept that some will be calling her a slut because of the way she dresses.

And I guess Eraser needs to accept being called a chink because of how he looks, Sam needs to accept being called a filthy queer because of who he #####, and one of my exes needs to accept being called a ###### because of her backround.


Wrong.

And I will not accept it.

Never.
   98. A.T.F.W. Posted: August 01, 2008 at 12:30 PM (#2885978)
Then she needs to accept that some will be calling her a slut because of the way she dresses.

That's just silly, she dresses no more or less appropriately than most other women on TV these days. Pretty much all women on TV news programs dress in a style that would have been considered too risque or offensive years ago. Big deal.
   99. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 01, 2008 at 12:55 PM (#2885990)
Seems once a year for about a fortnight or so, all I play is Fugazi.


Pish-posh. Some of us highly evolved beings saw Minor Threat back in the day. (I had to drive about 110 miles down the interstate to Tucson for that show, even though they were playing Phoenix -- where I lived -- the next night, because the latter gig conflicted with Prince's show & I wasn't about to miss Prince.)
   100. Spahn Insane Posted: August 01, 2008 at 12:59 PM (#2885994)
Nobody's posted her hottest pic in this thread yet? At least I think it's the hottest.

Goddammit. You knew that was coming. However, I apparently didn't.
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