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Narducci: Mike Trout, 20, is diving into the future with talent and confidence

Fear not…the Weird New Jersey dudes are on the case!

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Mike Trout looked as if he had just bitten into a lemon. His face went through a series of contortions after the rookie, a graduate of Millville High, was asked a simple question: Had he thought about the possibility of being named an all-star in his rookie season?

“No,” the 20-year-old outfielder with the Los Angeles Angels said politely, but emphatically. “I don’t look at that stuff.”

...Eddie Bane, who was scouting director of the Angels at the time and is now a scout for the Detroit Tigers, said Trout was the second player on the Angels’ board, behind Stephen Strasburg, who was taken first by Washington and has justified that selection.

“The Yankees also had him as their No. 2 player, and they were selecting after us, and I told them he would never get to them,” Bane said.

...The Angels had two picks in the draft - Nos. 24 and 25. At 24, they took Randal Grichuk, a high school outfielder from Texas now playing in single A. Trout was taken next.

If Trout was second on their board, why wasn’t he picked first by the Angels at No. 24?

“It was a little bit of gamesmanship,” Bane said. “We were going to take both of them, but Mike’s agent had put out a different [financial] figure before the draft.”

Repoz Posted: June 12, 2012 at 09:41 AM | 89 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 12, 2012 at 10:13 AM (#4154525)
That's a pretty good drawing of Ted Nugent. I assume the artist planned to draw the guitar last.
   2. BDC Posted: June 12, 2012 at 10:16 AM (#4154527)
He's diving in now, but what about the years ahead when he has to fight his way upstream? Will he flop around on the deck, or will he have smooth swimming? Will there be pitchers who will grill him and eat him with lemon butter? What happens after he signs a big FA contract and starts to stink on ice? Will he ever replace Tim Salmon as the fish of the franchise?

OK, we never have to hear any of those phrases again.
   3. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: June 12, 2012 at 10:22 AM (#4154533)
All joking aside, Mike Trout is an amazing player to watch. Right now, one of the four or five best players in baseball. No question. He has been unreal over the last 6 weeks. Average, patience, power, speed, defense and clutch performance. I'm continually in awe of the diversity of his skill set.
   4. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: June 12, 2012 at 10:36 AM (#4154544)
You can lead a P.A. system to water, but you can't mike a trout.
   5. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: June 12, 2012 at 10:51 AM (#4154558)
Obligatory Mike Carp joke.
   6. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 12, 2012 at 10:59 AM (#4154570)
Trout's June so far: 21-42, 3 doubles, triple, homer. 7 stolen bases, 4 walks.

Good month so far. He put on a show last night (2 hits, homer, 2 stolen bases, walk) and it was fun listening to Vin Scully gush over his talent.
   7. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: June 12, 2012 at 11:16 AM (#4154589)
Obligatory Mike Carp joke.


Tim Salmon pun.
   8. PreservedFish Posted: June 12, 2012 at 11:23 AM (#4154594)
Tim Salmon pun.


This will not do! It is just laziness disguised as meta humor. If you've got a Tim Salmon pun up your sleeve, I dare you to use it.
   9. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: June 12, 2012 at 11:26 AM (#4154598)
Let's just go ahead and induct him into the All-Fish team right now, he really does look that awesome.
   10. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: June 12, 2012 at 11:29 AM (#4154606)
I was just looking at the Angels BBref page and it's amazing that both Trombo and Trout are in the "bench player" section, not in the starting player one. Why is Vernon Wells still identified as the Angel's starting LF?
   11. SoSH U at work Posted: June 12, 2012 at 11:35 AM (#4154609)
Why is Vernon Wells still identified as the Angel's starting LF?


I think it's total plate appearances while filling the role of left fielder. Trout and Trumbo have been used elsewhere.
   12. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: June 12, 2012 at 11:35 AM (#4154610)
I guess it's because Wells has started 30 games at LF and nobody else has started more than 12.

Trout is 2 starts behind Bourjos at the CF position.

Trumbo is nowhere near any starting-player designation since he has played 4 games at 1B, 8 games at 3B, 12 games at LF, 20 games at RF, and 8 games at DH.
   13. Good cripple hitter Posted: June 12, 2012 at 11:35 AM (#4154612)
Trout's started more games overall, but they're spread across different positions. Wells has started 30 games in LF, Trout and Trumbo 12 each.
   14. zack Posted: June 12, 2012 at 11:39 AM (#4154617)
I was just looking at the Angels BBref page and it's amazing that both Trombo and Trout are in the "bench player" section, not in the starting player one. Why is Vernon Wells still identified as the Angel's starting LF?


I'm fairly sure it is just the games or innings or PA leader at each position, and because they split positions while Wells was mostly in LF, neither Trout nor Trumbo lead the team at any one position. Which is annoying (knowing who the actual starter was intended to be on each day tells us more than just playing time), but understandable given that it has to go back to 1876.

Crap, there goes all my Coke.
   15. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: June 12, 2012 at 11:39 AM (#4154618)
One really impressive thing with Trout is the adjustments he's made over his first few hundred PA. He was striking out at a really dangerous rate both last fall and this May, but he's been much more aggressive and contact-focused in June, and he's gone from striking out in 25% of his PA to under 10%.
   16. PreservedFish Posted: June 12, 2012 at 11:40 AM (#4154620)
Bobby Wilson has one RBI in 76 ABs. That is impressive.
   17. PreservedFish Posted: June 12, 2012 at 11:43 AM (#4154625)
Remember the rumors of a Peter Bourjos for David Wright trade? Had the Angels done that, and started Trout in CF on day one, they'd be the best team in the majors.
   18. The District Attorney Posted: June 12, 2012 at 11:53 AM (#4154631)
Is that what Hideki Matsui's fiancee looks like now?
   19. Johnny Slick Posted: June 12, 2012 at 12:01 PM (#4154636)
Hey guys! I am not sure if you noticed but Mike Trout shares the same last name as a commonly eaten fish! I think writers should really start to capitalize upon this in their headlines!
   20. Anonymous Observer Posted: June 12, 2012 at 12:03 PM (#4154640)
Ugh. What is that picture from? I know I've seen it, but I can't place it.
   21. zonk Posted: June 12, 2012 at 12:10 PM (#4154647)
Ugh. What is that picture from? I know I've seen it, but I can't place it.


Ditto - I was thinking it was from the Jersey Devil episode of the X-files, but not certain...
   22. Repoz Posted: June 12, 2012 at 12:17 PM (#4154655)
Ditto - I was thinking it was from the Jersey Devil episode of the X-files, but not certain...

dingdingding!
   23. SG Posted: June 12, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4154663)
So would the Angels be in first place right now if they hadn't dicked around with Wells and broke camp with Trout in the OF?
   24. asdf1234 Posted: June 12, 2012 at 12:33 PM (#4154670)
I'm horrified that so many so-called human beings didn't immediately recognize that screenshot from an S1 X-Files episode. Many of you wouldn't know a flask labeled Purity Control or a swarm of blood-sucking prehistoric midges if they bit you in the ass.

I was checking Trout's strikeout rate last night as well, and he and Pujols have both slashed their K rates over the past couple of weeks with no loss of power--must be something in the water. I never cared about the Angels one way or another outside of the 2002 Series, but if they're going to have Pujols, Haren, Weaver (who I've liked ever since he put on the BotB to join his brother on the field after Game 5 of the 2006 World Series), and the latter-day Tyrus R. Cobb together for a few more years, I might have to tune into a few more of their broadcasts.
   25. Cowboy Popup Posted: June 12, 2012 at 12:38 PM (#4154676)
So after booming a big time HR down the line to left, singling on an 0-2 pitch up and away and stealing third without a throw, Mike Trout is on first and takes off for second with a decent jump on the pitcher. Not a great jump, but definitely a good one. By the time the catcher lets go of the freaking ball, Trout is sliding into second. Everything about him is remarkable, but his speed is insane. It's almost unfair, teams aren't going to be able to IBB him until he slows down five or six steps.

Checking BBRef.com, he is already LEADING the AL in SBs with 15.
   26. AROM Posted: June 12, 2012 at 12:50 PM (#4154693)
It's almost unfair, teams aren't going to be able to IBB him until he slows down five or six steps.


Why not? Nobody (well almost nobody) gets IBB with bases empty. So you can IBB Trout when someone at the bottom of the order is on base. Especially if it's one of the catchers, who usually hit 9th. That's probably the only way to slow down Trout - he's not allowed to pass the catcher on the bases.
   27. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 12, 2012 at 01:00 PM (#4154706)
anyone htink its coincidence that albert got his bat moving around the same time?

   28. Cowboy Popup Posted: June 12, 2012 at 01:00 PM (#4154707)
So you can IBB Trout when someone at the bottom of the order is on base.

With Trout being on the Angels, I assumed that would never happen.
   29. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 12, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4154739)
With Trout being on the Angels, and Erick Aybar batting at the bottom of the oorder I assumed that would never happen.
There you go.
   30. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: June 12, 2012 at 01:27 PM (#4154746)
anyone htink its coincidence that albert got his bat moving around the same time?

Pujols since May 15: .344 / .407 / .677 over 25 games (8 2b, 8 HR, 3 SB).
Also on a nice little streak, with two hits in each of his last six games.

Trout since May 15: .385 / .440 / .577, also 25 games (5 2b, 3 3b, 3 HR, 11 SB).

Trout has a fluky-high BABIP during this time; Pujols doesn't.
   31. Repoz Posted: June 12, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4154750)
Mike Trout reminds me of a much faster, much stronger, more patient version of Bill Madlock.
   32. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: June 12, 2012 at 01:42 PM (#4154762)
Trout has a fluky-high BABIP during this time

Would it be fair to say that, because Trout is essentially an unknown to opponents, they don't know how to position the defense to get him out more frequently?
   33. PreservedFish Posted: June 12, 2012 at 02:02 PM (#4154785)
Can't tell if #32 is a joke or not.
   34. Gaelan Posted: June 12, 2012 at 02:19 PM (#4154799)
Trout is unbelievable. He makes a groundball to shortstop exciting.
   35. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: June 12, 2012 at 02:27 PM (#4154804)
#33 - I was not joking. I can't hold a candle to the insight and analysis put in by those who frequent this site so I'm trying to learn from it. Sorry if I'm too much of a country bumpkin for you.
   36. just plain joe Posted: June 12, 2012 at 02:32 PM (#4154807)
Bobby Wilson has one RBI in 76 ABs. That is impressive.


He is channeling Enzo Hernandez.

EDIT: Gratuitous snark removed.
   37. Nasty Nate Posted: June 12, 2012 at 02:42 PM (#4154821)
I don't know what's wrong with post #32, it seems like a reasonable perfectly question.
   38. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 12, 2012 at 02:43 PM (#4154822)
i think preserved was meaning post 31 which is........ interesting

unless repoz is solely referencing bill's uncanny ability to lead the world in humpback liners
   39. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 12, 2012 at 02:49 PM (#4154831)
Would it be fair to say that, because Trout is essentially an unknown to opponents, they don't know how to position the defense to get him out more frequently?

Trout's spray chart. Right now, it looks like you have to play him straight up.
   40. PreservedFish Posted: June 12, 2012 at 02:58 PM (#4154848)
No, I meant #32. Even if true the effect must be so tiny as to be imperceptible.
   41. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: June 12, 2012 at 03:03 PM (#4154855)
Trout has to be one of the favorites for AL MVP, along with Hamilton. The other teams' best candidates -- Cano, Konerko, Longoria, Pedroia, Bautista, Verlander/Cabrera, Asdrubal/Kipnis, Jones/Wieters -- all seem to have bigger flaws.
   42. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 12, 2012 at 03:04 PM (#4154859)
hamilton will get hurt and miss a month. maybe mike trout can be freddy lynn circa 1975?
   43. Nasty Nate Posted: June 12, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4154864)
No, I meant #32. Even if true the effect must be so tiny as to be imperceptible.


The effect would be a few hits that would be outs if the opponents knew better where to position themselves. A few hits are perceptible.
   44. zenbitz Posted: June 12, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4154884)

Mike Trout reminds me of a much faster, much stronger, more patient version of Bill Madlock.


YM Kevin Bass

   45. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 12, 2012 at 03:31 PM (#4154898)
Let's just go ahead and induct him into the All-Fish team right now

C: Steve Pickerell (minors)
1B: Mike Carp
2B: Johnny Ray
3B: Melvin Mora
SS: Harry Spratt
OF: Mike Trout
OF: Kevin Bass
OF: Tim Salmon
DH: Sid Bream
SP: Catfish Hunter
RP: George Haddock
   46. zonk Posted: June 12, 2012 at 03:38 PM (#4154907)
No, I meant #32. Even if true the effect must be so tiny as to be imperceptible.



The effect would be a few hits that would be outs if the opponents knew better where to position themselves. A few hits are perceptible.


Agreed.

Especially with defensive metrics and heavy shifts all the rage -- I suspect that there MIGHT well be something to this... But it may well be also true that there's really no 'best' alignment beyond playing him straight up.
   47. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: June 12, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4154913)
Trumbo is nowhere near any starting-player designation since he has played 4 games at 1B, 8 games at 3B, 12 games at LF, 20 games at RF, and 8 games at DH.

Can someone share observations about Trumbo's D? Dramatically unsatisfactory at 3B? Is he average at 1B, how is he in the OF? They HAVE to continue to play him for his bat at this point, I would assume.

Looks like he's been playing LF every day since Hunter's been back (other alignment is Hunter out, Bourjos in at CF, Trout to LF, Trumbo to RF), and Morales is pretty much locked in at DH. Is Morales not able to play the field at all? He's had 1 start at 1B, none in the OF. What happens when Wells comes back - looks like that's in about a month?
   48. PreservedFish Posted: June 12, 2012 at 03:49 PM (#4154917)
Perceptible how? We don't know his true talent babip within 50 points.

He's a superfast spray line drive hitter. How much more are we going to learn and how many hits will it save, and how will we ever be able to evaluate these things?

I maintain that the idea that this is contributing to his too-high babip in a meaningful way is a bit silly.
   49. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: June 12, 2012 at 04:00 PM (#4154928)
This will not do! It is just laziness disguised as meta humor.


Dismissive reference to Chien-Ming Wang.
   50. Nasty Nate Posted: June 12, 2012 at 04:03 PM (#4154932)
Perceptible how? We don't know his true talent babip within 50 points.

He's a superfast spray line drive hitter. How much more are we going to learn and how many hits will it save, and how will we ever be able to evaluate these things?

I maintain that the idea that this is contributing to his too-high babip in a meaningful way is a bit silly.


I think you are probably right about it being imperceptible, but not because the effect is "so tiny" as you said in the other post. If there was some effect of bad positioning, it wouldn't be tiny because he has so few at-bats that a few hits would change his BA and BABIP. Just because we can't at this point (or maybe ever) evaluate and quantify the effect doesn't eliminate the possibility that teams are mis-positioning themselves against him thus far.
   51. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 12, 2012 at 04:06 PM (#4154934)
petunia

i have only seen trumbo at third via mlb extra innings and tv can play tricks on my perception

that being stated i would put him somewhere between bear batting a fish and wes helms on a bad day
   52. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 12, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4154941)
petunia

i think at one point mark had more errors than putouts. or it was 5 putouts to 4 errors.

i think it was then that mike pulled the plug
   53. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 12, 2012 at 04:16 PM (#4154944)
Can someone share observations about Trumbo's D? Dramatically unsatisfactory at 3B?
He's exactly as good as you'd think big first baseman would be: he's really truly terrible.

Is Morales not able to play the field at all?
Not this season — the Angels aren't taking any chances with his ankle. Morales also looks like he's gained about 600 pounds during his off-time, so I don't see a lot of 3B in his future, and with Pujols at first, probably no 1B for the Angels except for the occasional spot start.
   54. Matt Welch Posted: June 12, 2012 at 04:51 PM (#4154976)
Mike Trout reminds me of a much faster, much stronger, more patient version of Bill Madlock.

Excellent comment & memory. Those two have the shortest right-handed stroke I have ever seen. And after Trout's finished with his, his body is in perfect balance & position to sprint down the line. It's really something, and looks a helluva lot better than last year, when he started out by lunging a lot.
   55. AROM Posted: June 12, 2012 at 04:53 PM (#4154979)
Is Morales not able to play the field at all? He's had 1 start at 1B, none in the OF


Seems like you answered your own question. He started a game at first with Pujols playing third. I would not be surprised to see that again during interleague play. Having Morales play in the outfield seems like a disaster, that's probably as likely as asking Trout to play catcher, or Jered Weaver to try second base.
   56. Walt Davis Posted: June 12, 2012 at 04:59 PM (#4154987)
Here's a trivia question for you -- highest season BABIP in 502+ PA, 2001 onwards? It is in fact the second highest since integratio (Carew at 408 is the highest).

Anyway, there are some seasons 390+. The highest sustained BABIPs over the last decade are in the 350s (Votto, Kemp, Choo and Ichiro at 349). Kemp and CarGo (347) are probably the most similar to Trout.

Mike Trout reminds me of a much faster, much stronger, more patient version of Bill Madlock.

But otherwise, they're like twins!
   57. Walt Davis Posted: June 12, 2012 at 05:01 PM (#4154989)
Jered Weaver to try second base.

The Tigers would listen if he called.
   58. Sweatpants Posted: June 12, 2012 at 05:10 PM (#4154997)
Here's a trivia question for you -- highest season BABIP in 502+ PA, 2001 onwards? It is in fact the second highest since integratio (Carew at 408 is the highest).
I wanna guess it's by Austin Jackson in 2010.
   59. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 12, 2012 at 05:18 PM (#4155004)
That All-Fish team would win a lot of games if every player were at his prime.
   60. Cowboy Popup Posted: June 12, 2012 at 05:24 PM (#4155006)
Here's a trivia question for you -- highest season BABIP in 502+ PA, 2001 onwards?

Ichiro in 2004?

   61. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 12, 2012 at 05:26 PM (#4155008)
paul molitor is a batter match on the items described

   62. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 12, 2012 at 05:31 PM (#4155012)
Here's a trivia question for you -- highest season BABIP in 502+ PA, 2001 onwards?
Chone Figgins in 2007?
   63. Gonfalon B. Posted: June 12, 2012 at 05:37 PM (#4155018)
Trout aside, the All-Fish team is too old, and there's nothing worse than old fish. You gotta call up Preacher Roe.
   64. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: June 12, 2012 at 05:51 PM (#4155023)
I was gonna guess either Austin Jackson in 2010 or BJ Upton in 2007.

Looked it up, and... nope.
   65. Cowboy Popup Posted: June 12, 2012 at 06:05 PM (#4155031)
Looked it up, and... nope.

I just did too. Holy cow, I never would have gotten that. Wow.

Ichiro in 2004 was second since 01 though, so I was close.
   66. Swedish Chef Posted: June 12, 2012 at 06:09 PM (#4155032)
highest season BABIP in 502+ PA, 2001 onwards? It is in fact the second highest since integratio (Carew at 408 is the highest).

Mark Reynolds in 2009? Not high BA if I remember correctly, but an insane amount of strikeouts.
   67. BWV 1129 Posted: June 12, 2012 at 06:18 PM (#4155039)
Can someone share observations about Trumbo's D? Dramatically unsatisfactory at 3B? Is he average at 1B, how is he in the OF? They HAVE to continue to play him for his bat at this point, I would assume.

1B: acceptable
3B: catastrophic
OF: good effort, but not good job
   68. BWV 1129 Posted: June 12, 2012 at 06:21 PM (#4155041)
Trout's BABIP is .411. His BABIP in the minors was .407. I don't know how to MLE that, but while .411 is almost certainly unsustainable over the long run, he is a good bet to have a high BABIP. If he ever lost the ability to swing, he could probably bunt for a high BABIP.
   69. BWV 1129 Posted: June 12, 2012 at 06:25 PM (#4155044)
Also on Pujols, he entered this season with a career OPS+ of 170. Since his batting average lowpoint on May 8, he's hit 325/385/598 -- an OPS+ of 173.

Obviously that first month counts, and you would never expect someone in his 30s to put up offensive numbers on a par with his career marks, but, not bad at all.
   70. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: June 12, 2012 at 06:29 PM (#4155045)
Looking at those historical BABIP seasons, I really liked Tony Gwynn's 1994. He hit .394 with a .389 BABIP, because he hit 12 homers and struck out only 19 times in 110 games.
   71. smileyy Posted: June 12, 2012 at 06:35 PM (#4155048)
[2] That leaves nothing but Kilgore Trout references (who I just learned was a Theodore Sturgeon proxy).
   72. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: June 12, 2012 at 08:36 PM (#4155140)
Thanks everybody for the input on Trumbo. I find his situation this year fascinating.

Having Morales play in the outfield seems like a disaster, that's probably as likely as asking Trout to play catcher, or Jered Weaver to try second base.

Wow, no kidding. I actually had no idea how little OF he had played in MLB to this point (too much fantasy, not enough mother's basement, I guess). I had thought of him as primarily an outfielder so I figured he was just behind Wells/Bourjos/Hunter and Abreu/Trout, and they preferred Trumbo to him in the field either way. I guess that's just another roundabout way of answering my own question.

While I have your attention, what's wrong with Erick Aybar? Have we definitely passed 'slow start' territory yet?
   73. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 12, 2012 at 08:53 PM (#4155153)
He's been decent with the bat two of the last three years, but he's hitting a ton more ground balls this season than in the past. It may be a fluke, or it may be mechanical.
   74. Walt Davis Posted: June 12, 2012 at 09:57 PM (#4155207)
Holy cow, I never would have gotten that. Wow.

I'm one of the guy's biggest fans and I had no idea. One un-uesful hint -- 404 BABIP in that season, 324 career. One useful hint -- HW should know this one.
   75. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: June 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM (#4155213)
Bobby Sturgeon might deserve a look at SS for that all Fish team.
   76. Chicago Joe Posted: June 12, 2012 at 11:20 PM (#4155265)
Bobby Sturgeon might deserve a look at SS for that all Fish team.

Lip Pike maybe in the OF.
Definitely not Dory Dean.

   77. baudib Posted: June 13, 2012 at 01:37 AM (#4155317)
For Fish team:

Are we overruling the Trouts (Dizzy and Steve) for more name variety?
If so I guess Catfish Metkovich doesn't make it, either.

paul molitor is a batter match on the items described



Ted Williams once compared Molitor to Joe DiMaggio based on his manner and approach and swing.

According to Bill James, Kid Nichols said DiMaggio was the spitting image of Ed Delahanty in every respect.

I could see Delahanty being an 1890s version of Molitor, or of what Trout could become. (Seems unlikely Trout would develop along the lines of Joe D.)

Ed Delahanty led the league in batting (1), OBP (1), Slugging % (5), hits (1), doubles (5), triples (1), homers (1), RBIs (3), SB (1).

Without looking, I'd guess that the list of players who led the league in all of those categories at one time or another must be extremely small, and the only guy I can think of who probably did it is Ty Cobb.

   78. PreservedFish Posted: June 13, 2012 at 01:43 AM (#4155318)
One un-uesful hint -- 404 BABIP in that season, 324 career. One useful hint -- HW should know this one.


Jose Valentin and/or Jose Hernandez? Please to be revealing answer.
   79. Cowboy Popup Posted: June 13, 2012 at 01:52 AM (#4155322)
Ed Delahanty led the league in batting (1), OBP (1), Slugging % (5), hits (1), doubles (5), triples (1), homers (1), RBIs (3), SB (1).

Without looking, I'd guess that the list of players who led the league in all of those categories at one time or another must be extremely small, and the only guy I can think of who probably did it is Ty Cobb.


The first guy I thought of was Mays. He led the league in batting (1), OBP (2), Slugging % (5), hits (1), triples (3), homers (4), and SB (4). He never led the league in doubles (2nd once, 3rd twice) or RBIs (2nd twice, 3rd three times). He did lead the league in runs twice and walks once.
   80. McCoy Posted: June 13, 2012 at 02:01 AM (#4155324)
I don't think Trout looks anything like Ed Delahanty.
   81. BWV 1129 Posted: June 13, 2012 at 04:21 AM (#4155348)
Jose Valentin and/or Jose Hernandez? Please to be revealing answer.

I actually looked at this recently (in reference to Melky Cabrera), and without looking it up again, I think it's one of those guys. Someone really off-the-wall like those guys, at any rate.
   82. PreservedFish Posted: June 13, 2012 at 04:40 AM (#4155352)
They both struck out a lot. Jose Hernandez struck out so much that he could hide a .400 BABIP behind a .280 AVG. He was crafty like that.

Edit > full disclosure. At first I typed "Jose Hernandez or Valentin, whichever one played for the Brewers," and then B-R told me that they both played for the Brewers.
   83. The NeverEnding Torii (oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh) Posted: June 13, 2012 at 06:31 AM (#4155369)
So would the Angels be in first place right now if they hadn't dicked around with Wells and broke camp with Trout in the OF?


Depends. Do Pujols and the bullpen still absolutely suck all throughout April in this hypothetical season?
   84. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 13, 2012 at 08:38 AM (#4155397)
Ed Delahanty led the league in batting (1), OBP (1), Slugging % (5), hits (1), doubles (5), triples (1), homers (1), RBIs (3), SB (1).

Without looking, I'd guess that the list of players who led the league in all of those categories at one time or another must be extremely small, and the only guy I can think of who probably did it is Ty Cobb.


Honus Wagner is really close - led in all of them at various times except for homers, in which he was second twice.

On the other hand, Delahanty never led the league in runs. Cobb did indeed win titles in all of the listed categories, plus runs.
   85. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 13, 2012 at 09:38 AM (#4155433)
well it has to be jose hernandez.

folks confuse him with jose valentin all the time but valentin was the superior player and i am inclined to say far superior

the ironic thing is that phil garner complained about valentin's strikeouts constantly yammer, yammer, yammer and then the team put up with hernandez striking out much more frequently.

granted, different manager. but still funny to a local fan.

valentin's 100 strikeouts were unacceptable but jose could strike out 180 times and that was fine.

hello?
   86. zack Posted: June 13, 2012 at 10:12 AM (#4155462)
Are the Angels short in the pen or something? Can a reasonable case be made for why Scioscia didn't have a lefty up for Msr. Nouveau Riche?

I stayed up late to see Trout hit in the 9th (and listen to Vin), but as soon as Williams let a base runner on in the 8th he went into hypo-Trachsel mode. I think that inning took 40 minutes. And then Trout struck out on 3 pitches.
   87. AROM Posted: June 13, 2012 at 10:53 AM (#4155507)
Good question. Downs didn't pitch on Monday so he should have been available. 8th inning, 2 on, 2 out, other team's best lefty up - that's what Scott Downs is for. Maybe he was sore or something.
   88. Dan Posted: June 13, 2012 at 11:08 AM (#4155517)
From Rotoworld:

Scott Downs was unavailable Tuesday with a rib-cage injury.
Many wondered why Downs wasn't called on to face Andre Ethier in Tuesday's game and now we have our answer. The southpaw suffered the injury during his appearance on Sunday and is considered day-to-day. Jun 13 - 9:36 AM


I guess he could've gone to Takahashi, but he's hardly been lights out for the Angels.
   89. BWV 1129 Posted: June 13, 2012 at 02:18 PM (#4155786)
I saw today that Takahashi was unavailable, as well. Still, I hate to see a #4/#5 starter vs. the other team's top hitter on his 4th trip through the order.

On the other hand, Conger had already gotten Williams out of the inning, so, whatjagonnado.

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