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Monday, June 18, 2012

National Post: Move to Jays ‘saved’ Rasmus: father

The Colby meteorite…picking up/letting off steam.

On whether his coaching contradicted what Cardinal coaches were telling Colby …

That’s absolutely the biggest fallacy I’ve ever heard, to be honest with you.

On where that story came from …

I’ll tell you, privately, but I’m not going to say it to make it back to St. Louis in the newspapers. I was just a BP guy and the thing is, I throw pretty good BP. If I want to throw outside-edge BP, I can throw it. If I want to bust you in, so we would go through scenarios, no balls, no strikes, this guy’s throwing today, he throws a lot of first-pitch fastballs, that’s how we do. One June two years ago, I spent the whole month doing that. He hit nine home runs that month. I always told somebody, if your kid believes he has to chop off a chicken’s head to hit, if he believes that’s what makes him hit, then by God, chop one off every day. He for some reason believed me throwing batting practice to him was helpful for him. If he believed it was helpful for him, it was helpful.

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   1. bjhanke Posted: June 18, 2012 at 09:03 AM (#4159776)
Colby Rasmus' OPS+ in St. Louis, being terrorized by TLR: 89, 132, 108
Colby Rasmus' OPS+ in Toronto, where they're happy to have Colby's dad be his hitting coach or whatever he calls it: 37, 106.

The 108 in STL and the 37 in Toronto are his splits in 2011. - Brock Hanke

   2. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: June 18, 2012 at 09:05 AM (#4159777)
That's not what a fallacy is!!
   3. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 18, 2012 at 09:12 AM (#4159779)
brock

c'mon.

colby rasmus was jd drew take 2. it's ok. some guys who can play are not a fit for some teams. tony has a plan and if you don't conform to the plan you got dumped. many great managers took the same approach including the cardinals manager many of the bbtf'ers here love to hate, whitey herzog

just accept that rasmus will likely play in the bigs for 15 years, have a nice career and it won't be for the cardinals. and that happened because the cards manager didn't want him on the team. end of story.

   4. booond Posted: June 18, 2012 at 09:48 AM (#4159788)
There are small sample sizes at play for each side of the argument. That said, if I'm Colby I want dad to stfu.
   5. formerly dp Posted: June 18, 2012 at 09:50 AM (#4159790)
It looks like he has figured something out though, no? This is his first sustained streak of success since joining the Jays. Between he and Gose, anyone have any thoughts on who is more likely to move to LF? I really thought Snider would be their long-term solution out there...
   6. asdf1234 Posted: June 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM (#4159807)
That said, if I'm Colby I want dad to stfu.


At this point, having Mel Gibson as his father would be less damaging and distracting to his career. Colby should buy his folks a nice retirement lodge out in the middle of nowhere and encourage his dad to take up fishing.

Edit: 50-year-old men should not wear the Gagne on their chins.
   7. bobm Posted: June 18, 2012 at 10:12 AM (#4159810)
[3] tony has a plan and if you don't conform to the plan you got dumped. many great managers took the same approach including the cardinals manager many of the bbtf'ers here love to hate, whitey herzog

The difference is Whitey traded away a star drug user and TLR traded for a star drug user. /sarcasm
   8. RJ in TO Posted: June 18, 2012 at 10:30 AM (#4159821)
Between he and Gose, anyone have any thoughts on who is more likely to move to LF? I really thought Snider would be their long-term solution out there...

While I don't believe it's been announces, I would be shocked if Rasmus wasn't the one to move to LF. He's not anything special in CF, and Gose is talked about in extremely complimentary terms there.
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 18, 2012 at 10:40 AM (#4159824)
That's not what a fallacy is!!


Rhythm - you have it or you don't - that's a fallacy!
   10. puck Posted: June 18, 2012 at 10:52 AM (#4159830)
That's not what a fallacy is!!

It begs the question, is this a fallacy?
   11. BDC Posted: June 18, 2012 at 10:54 AM (#4159833)
having Mel Gibson as his father would be less damaging and distracting

I'm afraid you've just given Jodie Foster the idea for the sequel Bad News Beavers.
   12. bjhanke Posted: June 18, 2012 at 10:57 AM (#4159836)
Um. Whitey in addition to everyone else, acquired Joaquin Andujar, who is not, shall we say the cleanest of drug users. He also kept Keith Hernandez around until Keith just started ignoring Whitey completely. His big problem, like a whole roster of managers, is that he had found some player in his former organization who looked vastly underrated. This often works: Sid Thrift and Bobby Bonilla, TLR and Mark McGwire. This happens a lot. Joe Torre, managing the Cards, begged the management to trade for Devon White. He didn't get him, but he was right; White entered his peak seasons and was surely better than any other CF the Cards had. It didn't last long, but it was surely the right move at the time. TLR wanted Darryl Porter. He tried to get Simmons and Hernandez to move places to make room for Darryl at catcher. Simmons was reluctant but game. Hernandez flat refused. He didn't last long on the roster after that. - Brock Hanke
   13. Matthew E Posted: June 18, 2012 at 11:02 AM (#4159844)
On the Jays future OF plans:

Gose making the major leagues is an "if", not a "when". No idea if the guy's going to hit enough, although there is some reason for optimism.

And don't count out Snider for LF, either; his floor as a hitter is probably pretty close to Gose's ceiling.

Wouldn't be surprised if Rasmus stayed in CF; some people are quite high on his defense. I have no strong opinions about it but I certainly don't see the need to move him.

One solution might be an OF of Snider-Gose-Rasmus, with Bautista at 1B and Encarnacion at DH.
   14. 92-93 Posted: June 18, 2012 at 11:23 AM (#4159865)
Colby Rasmus' OPS+ in Toronto, where they're happy to have Colby's dad be his hitting coach or whatever he calls it: 37, 106.


Since May 18th, when Colby got a couple of days off to work on a new stance, he's hitting .321/.357/.623.
   15. base ball chick Posted: June 18, 2012 at 11:56 AM (#4159891)
obviously, colby wants/needs his daddy and his daddy's big mouth. daddy shoots off his mouth more than colby ever talks.

every manager has players he does/does not like - and it isn't related to how good the player actually IS.

and TLR very obviously did NOT like colby rasmus. and by the time colby got traded, the st looey media didn't like him neither, so it's best he got another start somewheres else.
   16. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: June 18, 2012 at 12:15 PM (#4159913)
Joe Torre, managing the Cards, begged the management to trade for Devon White. He didn't get him, but he was right; White entered his peak seasons and was surely better than any other CF the Cards had.


Torre managed the Cards 1990-1995. It's true that White was a much better player than Ray Lankford 1991-1993, but Lankford was a lot better than White after that. I can see the logic in not getting White if they had Lankford. I assume you meant he wanted them to acquire White after the 1990 season when the Blue Jays got him for Junior Felix and spare parts. I'm guessing that the Cards would have had to include Lankford or some equivalent player in a deal for White.
   17. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 18, 2012 at 12:27 PM (#4159930)
it's forgotten now but junior felix was considered a major talent back in the day.

i mention that in case anyone stops by and scoffs at the cards having to offer up lankford. at the time they would have been regarded as somewhat equivalent talents
   18. The District Attorney Posted: June 18, 2012 at 12:38 PM (#4159947)
Let's not make this Whitey vs. TLR and play into the crazy person's hands.

Firstly:
colby wants/needs his daddy and his daddy's big mouth.
I don't know that we can say that. Perhaps he just doesn't feel he can tell his father what to do. A lot of people feel that way.

Harveys is right that TLR had "a system" that he wanted his players to "buy into". Althouth this is common in other sports, I find it to be a weird approach to baseball, a sport which involves very little on-field cooperation with teammates. But, TLR was one of the greatest managers of all time and it worked for him. As to Rasmus in particular, the Cardinals likely would not have won the World Series had they not traded him. Thus, unless Rasmus puts up a John Smoltz career, St. Louis should not think twice about having traded him. He is not turning out to be John Smoltz. It is not even clear that he is above average. "He changed his stance on X date a month ago, after which he's hit well" is a really bad argument. (In other words, "You mean my whole fallacy is wrong!", as Woody Allen scripted Marshall McLuhan to say in the Best Original Screenplay-winning Annie Hall...)
   19. RJ in TO Posted: June 18, 2012 at 12:46 PM (#4159952)
it's forgotten now but junior felix was considered a major talent back in the day.

At the time, he seemed to have tons and tons of tools, and looked like he was going to develop into a star. Of course, those projections were largely based on the assumption that he was actually his stated age. It was later speculated that he was at least a half dozen years older than his stated age, and possibly even as much as a decade older.
   20. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 18, 2012 at 12:46 PM (#4159953)
district

walter alston had a specific approach

bill mckechnie had a specific approach

mike scioscia has a specific approach

all of them had guys traded for or traded guys who either fit or didn't fit. you think mike napoli would be in texas if not for mike scioscia?

it isn't common and the manager better win to get his way but it does exist
   21. formerly dp Posted: June 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM (#4159954)
Gose making the major leagues is an "if", not a "when". No idea if the guy's going to hit enough, although there is some reason for optimism.

He's holding his own in the PCL at 21, and had a solid season last year.

And don't count out Snider for LF, either; his floor as a hitter is probably pretty close to Gose's ceiling.

Except that Gose's speed and defense add value-- if Snider's not hitting, he's not helping the team. I'm still pulling for him.
   22. BDC Posted: June 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM (#4159958)
He is not turning out to be John Smoltz

Well, nobody's asked him about gay marriage yet.
   23. 92-93 Posted: June 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM (#4159959)
It is not even clear that he is above average.


Unless you're also unclear as to whether guys like Shane Victorino and BJ Upton are above average, Colby Rasmus is above the bar.
   24. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 18, 2012 at 01:01 PM (#4159965)
snider is only 24 but are the blue jays going to give him another chance? unfair or not it seems most clubs give a guy a finite number of trials and then dump him

travis hasn't been a disaster but he's been up with the club multiple times and never grabbed a hold of a job and kept it

lots of reasons i know

just figure someone is finally going to throw in the towel and somebody is going to get a bat for a very reasonable price
   25. 92-93 Posted: June 18, 2012 at 01:09 PM (#4159977)
Snider's wrist injuries have prevented him the last couple of years from getting a real everyday opportunity. He was tearing up the PCL again this year before getting hurt playing defense, and likely would have been called up when Thames got demoted if not for the injury. I expect that once Travis is healthy he will be given another shot at the everyday LF job (currently held by Rajai Davis, who is helpless against a RHP with a decent breaking ball) and they'll take it from there.
   26. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 18, 2012 at 01:14 PM (#4159982)
post 25

okey dokey. hope so. kid looks like a keeper
   27. formerly dp Posted: June 18, 2012 at 01:25 PM (#4159995)
He was tearing up the PCL again this year before getting hurt playing defense

Obligatory PCL qualifier:
Snider
.337/.418/.587
Team
.310/.378/.470

For fun:
Lind
.412/.475/.667
d'Arnaud
.335/.385/.602
Woodward (yep, that one)
.233/.280/.370
   28. Matthew E Posted: June 18, 2012 at 02:08 PM (#4160062)
Gose's speed and defense add value-- if Snider's not hitting, he's not helping the team. I'm still pulling for him.


I am too. Don't disregard Snider's speed and defense, though; neither one are bad at all. He's a fast runner, although not Gose fast, and he's a good enough outfielder that he could play CF for a while if you really needed him to. He's not Eric Thames out there.

I don't think the Jays are going to give up on him until a) they have no other choice, or b) they have an obviously better option. As has often been observed, Snider is exactly the kind of guy Anthopoulos would be trying to trade for if he were in any other organization.
   29. Steve N Posted: June 18, 2012 at 02:32 PM (#4160097)
Wasn't Junior Felix actually something like 6 years older than his listed age? He had a pretty good year as a 22 year old rookie and looked good. Not so good when it turned out that he was 26.
   30. bobm Posted: June 18, 2012 at 02:34 PM (#4160102)
[12] His big problem, like a whole roster of managers, is that he had found some player in his former organization who looked vastly underrated. This often works: Sid Thrift and Bobby Bonilla, TLR and Mark McGwire.

Branch Rickey and Roberto Clemente?
   31. formerly dp Posted: June 18, 2012 at 03:09 PM (#4160149)
and he's a good enough outfielder that he could play CF for a while if you really needed him to.

Thanks, I did not realize he was that good. "Often banged up" + RF moved to LF + power hitter= me making bad assumptions.

I don't recall the Jays having this much young talent in their organization since the early '90s. If only they could stop bleeding starters...
   32. Nolan Giesbrecht Posted: June 18, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4160154)
I saw an interview with Colby a week or so ago where he said that while in St. Louis he asked his dad to step back for awhile as he had too many voices trying to give him advice and overwhelming him.
   33. Matthew E Posted: June 18, 2012 at 03:14 PM (#4160159)
No kidding. Quick, which rotation would you rather have:

Romero/Alvarez/Cecil/Richmond?-Carreno?-Chavez?-Coello?

or

Morrow/Drabek/Hutchison/McGowan/Litsch

?

But then I think they really haven't been too badly off for injuries over the past few years and were probably due for something like this.
   34. esseff Posted: June 18, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4160180)
So disgusted were the Cardinals with Tony Rasmus that they drafted his third son last year.
   35. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 18, 2012 at 03:25 PM (#4160182)
nolan

that's interesting since tony larussa directly accused colby of ignoring hitting coach mark mcgwire and only listening to his father.

that remark was made shortly before rasmus was traded.

who knows what really happened?

   36. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: June 18, 2012 at 03:26 PM (#4160184)
I saw an interview with Colby a week or so ago where he said that while in St. Louis he asked his dad to step back for awhile as he had too many voices in his head trying to give him advice and overwhelming him & telling him to kill.


If only ...
   37. Nolan Giesbrecht Posted: June 18, 2012 at 04:34 PM (#4160301)
Caveat: Been working a ton lately and my memory may be a bit fuzzy; this conversation that Colby had with his dad may have happened after the trade. Which does change things.

Any other Jays fans see the Rasmus interview on/by Sportsnet? During the Braves or Nationals series perhaps?

And on a broader note, while Rasmus has been on a tear as of late, his early season stats are misleading. For a while he as leading the Jays in line drive % while still managing to hit under .200 - it seemed every hard hit ball went straight into a glove. That said, there has definitely been a change in mechanics as he's closer both to the pitcher and the plate. Hopefully the changes stick.
   38. PreservedFish Posted: June 18, 2012 at 05:17 PM (#4160378)
That's not what a fallacy is!!


Why not?
   39. Walt Davis Posted: June 18, 2012 at 05:19 PM (#4160380)
the cardinals manager many of the bbtf'ers here love to hate, whitey herzog

Is he? I thought the consensue about Whitey the manager around here was that he was a genius and fielded fun, fast teams. The consensus about Whitey the grumpy old codger is "love to hate".

But BBTF contains multitudes and no doubt there are some here who hate Whitey Herzog the manager.
   40. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 18, 2012 at 05:22 PM (#4160388)
walt

there is a strong subset who insist whitey is overrated and speak of him in negative terms.
   41. formerly dp Posted: June 18, 2012 at 06:40 PM (#4160472)
Romero/Alvarez/Cecil/Richmond?-Carreno?-Chavez?-Coello?

They're rumored (romoured?) to be in on Guthrie, which actually wouldn't be a bad thing, if it only costs them money. It looked like they had a shot this year, but with all of the injuries, I think the best bet is to just use minor/cheap "upgrades" like Guthrie. Getting Arencibia out of the lineup for 2013 will help immensely.
   42.     Hey Gurl Posted: June 18, 2012 at 06:47 PM (#4160481)
I am quite concerned about Henderson Alvarez maintaining any sort of success while striking out a batter every week. I mean, there's the Rueter line and then there's...that. He's making Josh Towers look like Strasburg.
   43. phredbird Posted: June 18, 2012 at 07:05 PM (#4160495)
i think whitey gets rated lower than TLR on btf because whitey lately has come off as a 'back in my day' kind of old f@rt.

TLR is just kinda nutty, but has a stronger managing record than whitey.

TLR wanted Darryl Porter. He tried to get Simmons and Hernandez to move places to make room for Darryl at catcher. Simmons was reluctant but game. Hernandez flat refused. He didn't last long on the roster after that. - Brock Hanke


you meant whitey, but i get it. just mentioning that in case anybody else was confused.
   44. bjhanke Posted: June 18, 2012 at 11:25 PM (#4160719)
Ivan (#16) has it right. The point I was trying to make is that someone connected with one team (Torre was actually a broadcaster before STL hired him) will often/usually have someone in mind, on the team he is leaving, that he thinks is undervalued by that team. When he gets to the next team, he wants to bring that guy over with him, right now, before the old team figures it out. Torre wanted White ASAP as soon as he arrived in STL. Later, he tried to get the team to acquire Bobby Bonilla, but they would not do that, either.

And phredbird is right, too. I edited my comment to change TLR to Whitey. Just another brain freeze. - Brock
   45. phredbird Posted: June 19, 2012 at 01:01 PM (#4161088)
brock, i'm gonna quit following you around correcting your mistakes! you're on your own!

:)
   46. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 19, 2012 at 01:13 PM (#4161098)
I was at a Jays game a few weeks ago, and Colby's wife and child were sitting behind us.
His wife was extremely polite (apologizing profusely to my father when Cobly's daughter spilled her popcorn down his back), and very charming. Heavy southern accent, teased hair, nicely tanned, and all the look of a former beauty/homecoming queen.

His daughter was unbelievably adorable. She was wearing a princess costume, with a Blue Jays jersey over top of it (Rasmus, naturally).

Every time they announced Colby coming to the plate, she's say out loud "That's my daddy!"

It was before his recent hot streak, so Rasmus popped up rather weakly. I could see my dad biting his tongue to avoid revealing any frustration in front of Colby's family, when we heard his wife say under her breath "Come on, baby. You can do better than that!"

   47. Srul Itza Posted: June 19, 2012 at 01:48 PM (#4161126)
The 108 in STL and the 37 in Toronto are his splits in 2011. - Brock Hanke


The 37 was in 35 games, after he changed leagues in the middle of a season. It is not unusual for guys to struggle with that kind of change.
   48. Srul Itza Posted: June 19, 2012 at 01:52 PM (#4161132)
I always told somebody, if your kid believes he has to chop off a chicken’s head to hit, if he believes that’s what makes him hit, then by God, chop one off every day.


Why call up the ghost of Mel Gibson, when Kevin Costner will do:

"If you believe you're playing well because you're getting laid, or because you're not getting laid, or because you wear women's underwear, then you *are*! And you should know that! "
   49. Srul Itza Posted: June 19, 2012 at 01:58 PM (#4161137)
there is a strong subset who insist whitey is overrated and speak of him in negative terms.


I don't think he is overrated.

He managed the Cardinals. That is more than enough reason to hate him.
   50. bigglou115 Posted: June 19, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4161146)
You know, I have to wonder if Rasmus even listens to his dad at all. I think that I, and the majority of my friends, would just let the old guy talk and go about my business. Looking at the story that seems like an entirely plausible scenario for what's happening right now. It seems more plausible to me than the idea that Rasmus is actually listening to his dad. I mean, is he really dumb enough to figure that not only has the team hired professional hitting coaches at every level to help him, but he (Colby) has been paid quite a fair bit of money because of his talent, but he's going to listen to his dad instead. It seems like the guy least likely to be able to help Colby Rasmus is his dad.
   51. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 19, 2012 at 02:23 PM (#4161171)
big

colby rasmus personality was a poor fit for the cards. you go over to most cards websites and the commenters there were predicting that rasmus would get 'drewed' by tony sooner rather than later.

guys who are low-key professionals (drew, scott rolen, rasmus) bug the ever living bejeezus out of tony. hey, it worked for the guy so saying that is stupid is stupid since the man has the skins on the wall to show for his efforts.

everybody would be best served to accept that it didn't work and move on but is often the case the parties feel compelled to throw darts justifying their actions. sad but true
   52. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 19, 2012 at 02:39 PM (#4161196)
He tried to get Simmons and Hernandez to move places to make room for Darryl at catcher.


Moving Keith Hernandez off of first seems like a really bad idea.
   53. phredbird Posted: June 19, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4161296)
He tried to get Simmons and Hernandez to move places to make room for Darryl at catcher.


Moving Keith Hernandez off of first seems like a really bad idea.


was wondering about that too, but hernandez did have a good throwing arm for a first baseman. in fact, it was exceptional. maybe whitey thought he could move keith to right field, keeping simmons bat in the lineup, a definite plus.

however, his public comments on this, esp. in his book, was more about getting the druggie hernandez off the team. i wonder if whitey thinks he looks better if thats his story.

colby rasmus personality was a poor fit for the cards.


yeah, if there's anything that bugged me about tony besides the bajillion pitchers per game, it was this stuff with rasmus/drew/rolen. at the time of the trade, i was wondering if TLR had finally shot off his foot ... but we know how it turned out, so, whatever. grin and bear it.
   54. Matthew E Posted: June 19, 2012 at 04:12 PM (#4161322)
The other thing is this. Rasmus seems like a quiet guy, perhaps an introverted sort.

History tells us that this kind of player will often be criticized. The Blue Jays, in an earlier era, basically ran Shannon Stewart and John Olerud out of town because of their quiet demeanours. The perception seems to be that if you're not an extrovert, you don't care about winning.

Certainly the Toronto fans have been slow to accept Rasmus. I hear it on the call-in shows; they want a guy who's "fiery".

So it's not fair. But it's also probably not the last time Rasmus is going to have to deal with it.
   55. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 19, 2012 at 04:17 PM (#4161327)
once upon a time the brewers picked up cecil cooper and ben ogilvie in separate deals in part because the players didn't exhibit what management wants to see in terms of behavior. cooper was so reserved boston thought he was dumb and ogilvie was considered weird for liking and reading poetry.

harry dalton/george bamberger didn't give a hoot and the team enjoyed these players very much.

later when ben ogilvie brought his wife to the clubhouse his teammates enjoyed that very, very much. mrs. ogilvie was a looker.
   56. formerly dp Posted: June 19, 2012 at 05:04 PM (#4161379)
I really, really liked Shannon Stewart. Remember when OB%-crazy people thought the Jays won the Kielty-Stewart swap? The team never appreciated what it had in him. That said, his career went south quickly, never could really stay healthy.
   57. Matthew E Posted: June 19, 2012 at 07:27 PM (#4161493)
Yeah. There were a few years there where he was my favourite player. Really exciting player when he was at his peak.
   58. esseff Posted: June 19, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4161532)
was wondering about that too, but hernandez did have a good throwing arm for a first baseman. in fact, it was exceptional. maybe whitey thought he could move keith to right field, keeping simmons bat in the lineup, a definite plus.

however, his public comments on this, esp. in his book, was more about getting the druggie hernandez off the team. i wonder if whitey thinks he looks better if thats his story.


Two different points in time. The grand scheme to move Simmons to first and Hernandez to left (not right) was after the 1980 season, after Herzog came in and Porter, his catcher from KC, was signed as a FA. Simmons had already proved to be unable to play OF in a failed experiment when Terry Kennedy was coming up, so Hernandez was going to have to change positions, too. When Hernandez balked, it was Simmons who was dealt away.

The drug ultimatum -- get clean or get out -- came years later, early in the 1983 season. That's when Hernandez was traded.
   59. Matthew E Posted: June 20, 2012 at 12:04 AM (#4161723)
Well, whatever's been working for Rasmus seems to be still working.
   60. 92-93 Posted: June 20, 2012 at 03:02 AM (#4161762)
Well, whatever's been working for Rasmus seems to be still working.


Only AL CFs with a higher wOBA & wRC than Rasmus are Granderson & Jones.
   61. Jorge Luis Bourjos (Walewander) Posted: June 20, 2012 at 07:47 AM (#4161793)
Without looking it up, I would be surprised if Austin Jackson wasn't higher than Rasmus, but possibly Granderson and Jones as well. He has a .957 OPS.
   62. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: June 20, 2012 at 08:37 AM (#4161804)
Only AL CFs with a higher wOBA & wRC than Rasmus are Granderson & Jones.
Well, among those currently qualified for the batting title. Austin Jackson has put up more batting value (39 wRC to Rasmus' 36) in about 75 fewer PA apiece.

Plus, the question of who is a center fielder is a little fuzzy. Josh Hamilton has played more games in CF than anywhere else on the field, and his batting numbers of course trounce Rasmus'. Mike Trout is primarily a CF, and like Jackson he has more wRC (41 in Trout's case) in 75 fewer PA than Rasmus.

And the "higher wOBA & wRC" is a bit of a hack - these are wRC, wOBA, and wRC+ for Rasmus, Alejandro de Aza, Michael Saunders, Denard Span, and BJ Upton:

40 wRC, .344 wOBA, 113 wRC+ - Alejandro de Aza
36 wRC, .341 wOBA, 114 wRC+ - Colby Rasmus
34 wRC, .337 wOBA, 116 wRC+ - Michael Saunders
35 wRC, .333 wOBA, 110 wRC+ - Denard Span
27 wRC, .326 wOBA, 109 wRC+ - BJ Upton

Rasmus is having a nice year, which fits in with those guys, and really has nothing to do with Granderson or Jones (or Jackson, Trout, or Hamilton).

What is going on with AL CF, by the way? This sort of suddenly became the best position in baseball - and that's with Jacoby Ellsbury on the shelf.
   63. bobm Posted: June 20, 2012 at 08:41 AM (#4161805)
[60],[61]

              Name          Team  PA wOBA wRC+
     Josh Hamilton       Rangers 269 .440 177
    Austin Jackson        Tigers 202 .418 166
        Mike Trout        Angels 214 .412 164
   Scott Podsednik       Red Sox  70 .403 152
     Quintin Berry        Tigers  94 .397 151
        Adam Jones       Orioles 293 .394 149
      Craig Gentry       Rangers 125 .378 135
 Curtis Granderson       Yankees 305 .372 133
   Yoenis Cespedes     Athletics 146 .354 126
  Alejandro De Aza     White Sox 294 .344 113
      Colby Rasmus     Blue Jays 271 .341 114


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   64. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 20, 2012 at 08:47 AM (#4161809)
rasmus cranked 2 homers last night and both were effortless

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