Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Wednesday, June 13, 2001

NATIONAL POST ONLINE Lessons continue for former pupil

Buck Martinez thinks, “He [Bobby Cox] should go to the Hall of Fame. He’s the dominant manager of his era.” I agree.

Jim Furtado Posted: June 13, 2001 at 01:22 PM | 2 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags:

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. Jay Jaffe Posted: June 14, 2001 at 04:29 AM (#69271)
My sentiments exactly, Donald. Cox is a fine manager for the long haul, but his postseason record leaves much to be desired. Besides Torre, he's lost out to Tom Kelly, Cito Gaston, Jim Leyland, Bruce Bochy, Tony LaRussa. Good managers all, yet none (okay, maybe LaRussa) hailed as the answer to Casey Stengel.

I've been doing a lot of research on Tommy Lasorda lately, and thinking about his methods in the context of what constitutes a great manager. Lasorda's tactics were overshadowed by his personality, by and large, but one would have to say that he made his personality part of his tactics. What I mean is, when Lasorda's teams showed a weakness, he could deflect attention away from that though his own magnetism, and rally the troops at the same time. Think of the 1988 World Series, where he won with a cleanup hitter who batted .196, among a patchwork of role players pressed into duty by injuries.

Lasorda's not alone in his force-of-personality shtik. Pepperpots like Billy Martin and Earl Weaver pulled as much or more out of less talented ballclubs and acted as lightning rods for the attention. Their teams were almost always in contention.

Cox, on the other hand, has always struck me as somewhat bloodless. I've seen the man blow up over bad calls, but I also get the sense that he's not one to resort to the kind of win-one-for-the-Gipper pep talk that a team might sometimes need. I know this may sound stupid, when we sit here analyzing statistics and tendencies, but the manager of the team sets the tone. Torre's professionalism, Martin's aggressiveness, Lasorda's B.S., whatever it takes...

Character doesn't win ballgames, but the collective attitude of a team does have an impact on how they play. The Braves seem to lack a hunger to get over the hump at critical times, and in my eyes that's a reflection of the manager. Dominance of the NL East and the National League during the course of the past decade--that I will concede to Cox. But he falls short beyond that measure.
   2. The Original Gary Posted: June 14, 2001 at 01:10 PM (#69272)
The funny thing about Joe Torre is that he was never considered a great manager when he was with the Mets, Braves or Cardinals. Funny how good players turn managers into geniuses.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Chicago Joe
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogOTP - September 2015: Making Sense Of The Republican Presidential Race: It's Like Major League Baseball In August
(650 - 9:08pm, Sep 04)
Last: DJS From Suplex City!

NewsblogThe Ankiel House of Horror
(2 - 9:08pm, Sep 04)
Last: Leroy Kincaid

NewsblogOMNICHATTER 9-4-2015
(24 - 8:52pm, Sep 04)
Last: boteman asks Where's My Ring?

NewsblogBryce Harper's bizarre night: four runs, zero swings and a little bit of history
(20 - 8:50pm, Sep 04)
Last: Rickey! something like a pipe-bomb ready to blow

NewsblogJazayerli: A Dayton With Destiny
(11 - 8:39pm, Sep 04)
Last: Eric J can SABER all he wants to

NewsblogAbraham Almonte embracing his chance with Cleveland Indians after ditching a life of lies, anger and alcohol
(18 - 8:39pm, Sep 04)
Last: Leroy Kincaid

NewsblogOT: Soccer August 2015
(648 - 8:29pm, Sep 04)
Last: Mefisto

NewsblogOT - September 2015 College Football thread
(81 - 8:19pm, Sep 04)
Last: Lance Reddick! Lance him!

NewsblogOT: Wrestling Thread November 2014
(1109 - 8:05pm, Sep 04)
Last: i'm only STEAGLES when it's complicated

NewsblogDeadspin: Boras wants Harvey shut down after 180 IP
(30 - 7:10pm, Sep 04)
Last: toratoratora

NewsblogBloop Hits: Warren Zevon and Bill Lee | FOX Sports
(23 - 7:05pm, Sep 04)
Last: Swedish Chef

NewsblogTim Lincecum's hip recovery stalls, and he might have thrown his last pitch as a Giant: "The bad days are outshining the good ones" - Giants Extra
(21 - 6:34pm, Sep 04)
Last: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad)

NewsblogMetsblog: Dominic Smith Named FSL Player of the Year
(12 - 6:05pm, Sep 04)
Last: Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora

NewsblogAs Kiermaier emerges, should Rays seek long-term deal? | Tampa Bay Times
(17 - 5:25pm, Sep 04)
Last: bbmck

NewsblogBreaking tradition: Brewers reschedule fan appreciation night; Chicago Cubs may be to blame
(2 - 4:52pm, Sep 04)
Last: Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams)

Page rendered in 0.1633 seconds
43 querie(s) executed