Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Wednesday, June 13, 2001

NATIONAL POST ONLINE Lessons continue for former pupil

Buck Martinez thinks, “He [Bobby Cox] should go to the Hall of Fame. He’s the dominant manager of his era.” I agree.

Jim Furtado Posted: June 13, 2001 at 01:22 PM | 2 comment(s) Login to Bookmark

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. Jay Jaffe Posted: June 14, 2001 at 04:29 AM (#69271)
My sentiments exactly, Donald. Cox is a fine manager for the long haul, but his postseason record leaves much to be desired. Besides Torre, he's lost out to Tom Kelly, Cito Gaston, Jim Leyland, Bruce Bochy, Tony LaRussa. Good managers all, yet none (okay, maybe LaRussa) hailed as the answer to Casey Stengel.

I've been doing a lot of research on Tommy Lasorda lately, and thinking about his methods in the context of what constitutes a great manager. Lasorda's tactics were overshadowed by his personality, by and large, but one would have to say that he made his personality part of his tactics. What I mean is, when Lasorda's teams showed a weakness, he could deflect attention away from that though his own magnetism, and rally the troops at the same time. Think of the 1988 World Series, where he won with a cleanup hitter who batted .196, among a patchwork of role players pressed into duty by injuries.

Lasorda's not alone in his force-of-personality shtik. Pepperpots like Billy Martin and Earl Weaver pulled as much or more out of less talented ballclubs and acted as lightning rods for the attention. Their teams were almost always in contention.

Cox, on the other hand, has always struck me as somewhat bloodless. I've seen the man blow up over bad calls, but I also get the sense that he's not one to resort to the kind of win-one-for-the-Gipper pep talk that a team might sometimes need. I know this may sound stupid, when we sit here analyzing statistics and tendencies, but the manager of the team sets the tone. Torre's professionalism, Martin's aggressiveness, Lasorda's B.S., whatever it takes...

Character doesn't win ballgames, but the collective attitude of a team does have an impact on how they play. The Braves seem to lack a hunger to get over the hump at critical times, and in my eyes that's a reflection of the manager. Dominance of the NL East and the National League during the course of the past decade--that I will concede to Cox. But he falls short beyond that measure.
   2. The Original Gary Posted: June 14, 2001 at 01:10 PM (#69272)
The funny thing about Joe Torre is that he was never considered a great manager when he was with the Mets, Braves or Cardinals. Funny how good players turn managers into geniuses.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.



<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF


Thanks to
JE (Jason)
for his generous support.


You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

(82 - 7:20pm, Nov 30)
Last: zenbitz

NewsblogRed Sox to sign Chris Young |
(26 - 7:20pm, Nov 30)
Last: Walt Davis

NewsblogDiamondbacks' offer to Johnny Cueto rejected |
(33 - 7:15pm, Nov 30)
Last: greenback needs muscle

NewsblogOT: Monthly NBA Thread - November 2015
(1418 - 7:13pm, Nov 30)
Last: TFTIO is a hater and/or a loser

NewsblogEntertainer Marc Anthony enters MLB player rep biz
(8 - 7:11pm, Nov 30)
Last: Booey

NewsblogOT - November* 2015 College Football thread
(1258 - 7:04pm, Nov 30)
Last: Chicago Joe

NewsblogGM Jed Hoyer: Chicago Cubs not close but moves are coming - Chicago Cubs Blog- ESPN
(11 - 6:57pm, Nov 30)
Last: SouthSideRyan

NewsblogChris Davis and the 'hometown discount' - Baltimore Sun
(61 - 6:41pm, Nov 30)
Last: Infinite Yost (Voxter)

NewsblogRyan Thibs has his HOF Tracker Up and Running
(100 - 6:40pm, Nov 30)
Last: Ithaca2323

(1340 - 5:59pm, Nov 30)
Last: ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick

NewsblogPrimer Dugout (and link of the day) 11-30-2015
(16 - 5:42pm, Nov 30)
Last: mathesond

NewsblogYoung: Reggie’s job is to sell N.Y. on Yankee Stadium - NY Daily News
(17 - 5:22pm, Nov 30)
Last: Batman

NewsblogMLB to investigate Dodgers' Yasiel Puig for role in reported fight - LA Times
(72 - 5:09pm, Nov 30)
Last: Never Give an Inge (Dave)

NewsblogWhy did Braves trade Andrelton Simmons? | Atlanta Braves blog
(51 - 5:02pm, Nov 30)
Last: stevegamer

Hall of Merit2016 Hall of Merit Ballot Discussion
(116 - 4:06pm, Nov 30)
Last: DL from MN

Page rendered in 0.2421 seconds
48 querie(s) executed