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Friday, October 11, 2019

Nationals vs. Cardinals: Washington or St. Louis? How each city stacks up

The Nationals finally won a postseason series. The Cardinals are vying for their 20th World Series appearance in franchise history.

The only other time these two teams have faced off in the postseason, the Nationals blew a 6-0 third-inning lead and the Cardinals used a four-run ninth inning to end Washington’s season.

But that was 2012, and this Nationals team has already overcome major adversity and advanced further into the postseason than any before it. As the teams get ready to decide National League supremacy, let’s take a look at the tale of the tape.

Unfortunately, I’ve never been to St. Louis and have nothing to say involving the quality of conditions there- anyone familiar enough with both of these cities to pass judgment?

 

QLE Posted: October 11, 2019 at 12:51 AM | 30 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: comparisons, st. louis, washington

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   1. Bote Man sez Davey is MoY Posted: October 11, 2019 at 04:51 AM (#5889201)
I posted some mp3 files capturing the highlights (from a Nats fan perspective) of the NLDS Game 5 extra-inning victory. You can download the mp3 files and some browsers are even fancy enough to play them in place.

I find it's easier to click that grid button in the upper right of the web page to switch to a text line-item listing instead of those gorpy big red square icons. Enjoy.

DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN
NATS IN FIVE
   2. How can it be QPQ if Zonk Says it isn't a QPQ? Posted: October 11, 2019 at 09:29 AM (#5889219)
Congrats, Bote...

I know this is all just make-believe simulation, given that the 2019 baseball season was abruptly cancelled three weeks ago, but I'm rooting for the Nats... Davey + abject hatred of the three other teams that remain in this simulated reality of a 2019 baseball season played to its WS conclusion.

Good luck!
   3. Rusty Priske Posted: October 11, 2019 at 09:47 AM (#5889226)
I am looking forward to the ALCS, since both AL teams seem much better than both NL teams, I can only imagine it will be the best remaining series.
   4. salvomania Posted: October 11, 2019 at 10:45 AM (#5889258)
it will be the best remaining series.

Fans of both NL teams like to moan a lot, so I'm hoping for a tight, up-and-down series to maximize the anguish.
   5. Bote Man sez Davey is MoY Posted: October 11, 2019 at 12:11 PM (#5889295)
As to the linked article, assuming my script blocker isn't preventing me from seeing more, it aint much of an article. Reddit would call it a "low effort post" and delete it.

Most popular sports team: Washington Redskins (WAS) | St. Louis Cardinals (STL)

City's nickname: The DMV (WAS) | Gateway to the West (STL)


The Redskins are in no way the most popular sports team in D.C. any longer. They used to have a years-long waiting list to become a season ticket holder, now they can't give them away. They have squandered so much goodwill it makes Rob Manfred look like a saint. After sticking a fork in their left eye the only question remaining is how they will stick a fork in their remaining good eye. I would say the Capitals hockey squad is still riding the high of winning the Stanley Cup last year; they showed the city how to celebrate, showing up a random bars and restaurants with the Cup and generally involving regular fans in their non-stop partying. I doubt the Nationals will be parading the World's Series trophy all over the city in such a flamboyant manner, but those who say D.C. is not a baseball nor sports town are just dead wrong.

The D.M.V. is a new term, but when I see it I automatically think "DelMarVa" as in the peninsula; I mean, Libby's Restaurant in Fenwick Island serves "Delmarvelous chicken" fercrissakes! Nicknames for D.C. over the years have included District of Confusion by anybody who had to deal with the Federal gummint. Most long-time residents just call it "the District", as in "Takoma Park is just over the District line".

There are many, many things to do of all sorts around the lesser D.C. area. At this time of year, if you time it right, you can catch the trees changing to Autumnal colors out toward the mountains, a wide variety of cultural events, bicycle riding along the Potomac and G.W. Parkway, the Udvar Hazy air & space museum out by Dulles Airport (for all the displays that are being restored or simply won't fit downtown), and a broad mix of cultures as it is very much a melting pot. Just beware that any time the Sun is up, it is rush hour which really means slow hour.

Saint Louis has the National Transportation Museum in a southwest suburb, so if you like trains you will LOVE this place. I went there with a mere 1 roll of film (yes, film, kids!) about 20 years ago and regretted not bringing more. Lots to see if you're into that kind of thing. My sales guy is from there and guided me to a hip restaurant that had good food and a good crowd, so I'm sure some locals have better suggestions. U.S. Route 66 passed/passes through there, although there were a few alignments over the years; most small towns along the Mother Road are trading on nostalgia with commemorative signs hung on street poles and so forth.
   6. Perry Posted: October 11, 2019 at 12:54 PM (#5889335)
Ridiculous "article," barely worth clicking on, although I did. They list Ozzie Smith as one of the most famous athletes from St. Louis, although he was actually born in Alabama and grew up in California. Cool Papa Bell was from St. Louis, however, and so is Max Scherzer. And under "celebrities," I'd give the nod to Miles Davis, T.S. Eliot, Tennessee Williams, Scott Joplin, or even Harry Caray over Nelly or Tina Turner.
   7. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 11, 2019 at 01:04 PM (#5889347)
City's nickname: The DMV (WAS)
Popular with the younger set, but it refers to the entire metropolitan area (District, Maryland & Virginia) not just Washington, DC.
   8. Bourbon Samurai stays in the fight Posted: October 11, 2019 at 01:07 PM (#5889353)
MLB postseason appearances: 6 (WAS) | 29 (STL)

World Series appearances: 0 (WAS) | 19 (STL)

World Series championships: 0 (WAS) | 11 (STL)


Given this is supposed to be about the cities, they should be counting the Senators WS, not worrying about what the Expos did.

agree with Bote on both "the district" as the main nickname and the Caps as the city's number one team in general. The Redskins still take up a disproportionate share of the city's sports dialogue, but it is pretty much entirely fury, despair, and hate watching.
   9. Bote Man sez Davey is MoY Posted: October 11, 2019 at 01:12 PM (#5889359)
Most popular team today would be the Washington Mystics who secured their first WNBA title last night to great fanfare. It was Game 5.
   10. Bote Man sez Davey is MoY Posted: October 11, 2019 at 01:16 PM (#5889361)
The Redskins still take up a disproportionate share of the city's sports dialogue, but it is pretty much entirely fury, despair, and hate watching.

You can blame the sports talkers at 106.7 "The Fan" and whatever WRC is blathering these days (ESPN Radio?? I never even try to listen*). D.C. sports radio is relentlessly, desperately pushing all Redskins, all the time. Even when the Nats made the post-season and The Fan supposedly dedicated an entire day to Nats talk, they still could not stay away from veering into football blah blah, like a moth to the flame. Those are the only handful of Redskins stalwarts remaining; sadly, they have microphones in front of their pie holes, but they do not represent the D.C. sports fan base at large.

To paraphrase "Bob Here" on WHFS: listening to sports talk radio gives you ear cancer.
   11. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 11, 2019 at 01:21 PM (#5889365)
The Redskins are in no way the most popular sports team in D.C. any longer. They used to have a years-long waiting list to become a season ticket holder, now they can't give them away. They have squandered so much goodwill it makes Rob Manfred look like a saint

The Redskins are easily the most hated team in DC, both within and outside the Metro region, but they still get much higher ratings than any of the others.

Of course that's only because the NFL still rules TVLand. There have been weeks where the Redskins were outdrawn by the other NFL game in the same time slot.
   12. toratoratora Posted: October 11, 2019 at 02:00 PM (#5889388)
You can blame the sports talkers at 106.7 "The Fan" and whatever WRC is blathering these days (ESPN Radio?? I never even try to listen*). D.C. sports radio is relentlessly, desperately pushing all Redskins, all the time. Even when the Nats made the post-season and The Fan supposedly dedicated an entire day to Nats talk, they still could not stay away from veering into football blah blah, like a moth to the flame. Those are the only handful of Redskins stalwarts remaining; sadly, they have microphones in front of their pie holes, but they do not represent the D.C. sports fan base at large.

Unless I am mistaken, Dan Snyder owns most of the radio sports talk channels in town.
Hence the focus on the Skins and the no negative commentary approach
   13. Bote Man sez Davey is MoY Posted: October 11, 2019 at 03:07 PM (#5889417)
Unless I am mistaken, Dan Snyder owns most of the radio sports talk channels in town.

I don't know for sure, but all the more reason to avoid them.
   14. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: October 11, 2019 at 03:15 PM (#5889421)
And under "celebrities," I'd give the nod to Miles Davis, T.S. Eliot, Tennessee Williams, Scott Joplin, or even Harry Caray over Nelly or Tina Turner.


Those celebrities died 28, 54, 36, 102, and 21 years ago respectively. Let's throw a bone to the people reading NBCSSports.com. Also it doesn't say Ozzie Smith is "from" St. Louis, it says he's a "local athlete". Claiming Ozzie Smith is not a St. Louis figure and Harry Caray is a St. Louis figure is contrarian and/or pedantic to say the least.
   15. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 11, 2019 at 03:33 PM (#5889428)
Unless I am mistaken, Dan Snyder owns most of the radio sports talk channels in town.
No longer true. Snyder sold off his last radio station in May 2018.
   16. Perry Posted: October 11, 2019 at 04:16 PM (#5889452)
Okay, it lists Yogi Berra and Jackie Joyner-Kersey as the other "local athletes," so I assumed they meant natives and that Ozzie was simply a mistake. If it's just local sports figures they want, then Musial, Gibson, Brock, and virtually every other long-term Cardinal need to be there ahead of Berra.

As for Caray, again, I was thinking natives, which he was. He also spent 25 years announcing Cardinals games, long before he ever went to Chicago. I'll grant you that as a "celebrity" he's now more associated with Chicago, thanks to WGN.
   17. Perry Posted: October 11, 2019 at 05:14 PM (#5889477)
Those celebrities died 28, 54, 36, 102, and 21 years ago respectively. Let's throw a bone to the people reading NBCSSports.com.


Hey, Washington got Duke Ellington. If they can claim him, St. Louis can claim Miles Davis. :-)
   18. cardsfanboy Posted: October 11, 2019 at 05:58 PM (#5889498)
Reading that list for local athletes, have to agree, Ozzie Smith has to be a mistake. I think it would have been somewhat funny to list Max Scherzer, but probably somewhere on the truth scale also.
   19. cardsfanboy Posted: October 11, 2019 at 06:01 PM (#5889502)
I do have to wonder if Nelly is really a bigger celebrity than John Goodman or Scott Bakula. (Nelly has a higher peak I guess, but the other two have the career thing going, and Bakula as a lead on three successful TV shows has to be able to carry some weight---well two and a half... Enterprise may not have been 'successful' but it still lasted a while) (of course I also like James Gunn, but not sure that he's really a big celebrity)
   20. depletion Posted: October 11, 2019 at 09:43 PM (#5889568)
The Mississippi is a much more mighty and important river than the Potomac, but I love the Potomac and visit her wild banks at least once a week. The Maryland side is a National Park up to Cumberland. I generally can't stand living in the Washington area as I dislike politics, but, to paraphrase Willie Sutton, that's where the money is. I haven't been to St. Louis since 1966 (got Stan the Man's autograph on a program); I assume it's still one of the top 4 baseball cities (the others in no particular order being Boston, Chicago, New York).
Also from Washington proper: Marvin Gaye, Jorma Kaukonen and Henry Rollins.
   21. JJ1986 Posted: October 11, 2019 at 11:15 PM (#5889647)
Nelly might not be more famous, but he is more famously from St. Louis.
   22. Walt Davis Posted: October 12, 2019 at 02:45 AM (#5889682)
showing up a random bars and restaurants with the Cup and generally involving regular fans in their non-stop partying

'Tis a Stanley Cup tradition (well, since 1995 apparently); 'tis not a WS trophy tradition.

Each player gets the Cup for a few days to pretty much do with what they want. Per Wiki, there's also just one Stanely Cup, not a new one every year. (Me suspects this is not quite true.)
   23. RickG Posted: October 12, 2019 at 05:15 AM (#5889686)
Per Wiki, there's also just one Stanely Cup, not a new one every year. (Me suspects this is not quite true.)


If it's not true, they're running one heck of a con, even on the players and coaches who speak of the thing with such reverence.

There's only the one Cup, misspellings, scratch outs, and all. However, a while back they realized it was getting a bit unwieldy, so whenever they fill a 'ring' with teams and names, they take the oldest ring off, put it on display in the Hall of Fame, then add a fresh ring to the bottom. Keeps the "Cup" the same size.

A guy named Philip Pritchard totes it around North America and Europe. Great Twitter feed (@keeperofthecup).
   24. My name is RMc and I feel extremely affected Posted: October 12, 2019 at 09:44 PM (#5889963)
Fun fact: The last World Series game in Washington is closer to the Civil War than it is to today. (Actually, it's closer to the Compromise of 1850 than it is to 2019.)
   25. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 12, 2019 at 11:39 PM (#5890033)
Also from Washington proper: Marvin Gaye, Jorma Kaukonen and Henry Rollins

Don't forget Jack Casady, a fellow alum of Wilson High School, three years after Kaukonen. Gaye was an alum of Cardozo. In Jr. High Casady was known as much for his D.A. haircut as he was for his R & B influenced rock 'n' roll. I couldn't believe it when just a few years later he'd completely changed both his music and his look.

Rollins was a former customer of my book shop in Georgetown who'd buy armloads of paperback Russian novels, and in person was a quiet and very nice sort. He also used to manage a Haagen-Dazs shop around the corner where he and his fellow employees used to give free ice cream to customers because the owner was such a complete prick. Needless to say, that was my favorite ice cream shop.
   26. depletion Posted: October 13, 2019 at 10:31 PM (#5890215)
Andy, Jack Casady is an inner-circle hall of fame bass guitarist. I saw Black Flag with Henry. Even though I had heard the records I wasn't prepared for the experience. To a lot of people he was the most intense performer; James Brown without the vocal ability.
Regards,
Tim
   27. depletion Posted: October 13, 2019 at 10:33 PM (#5890217)
Also from St. Louis: Chuck Berry.
   28. Howie Menckel Posted: October 13, 2019 at 11:36 PM (#5890243)
yes, though iirc, East St. Louis.

he opens his great autobiography with a story about his first memory being about 5 or 6 years old and there was a fire his neighborhood.

Chuck saw the firemen come out of the burning building, and he was very upset - he thought they had been so badly burned that their faces had turned white!
   29. Perry Posted: October 14, 2019 at 10:16 AM (#5890337)
Also from St. Louis: Chuck Berry.


He's one of the three listed in the original article as a St. Louis celeb. And he's from St. Louis proper, not East St. Louis. Miles Davis was from East St. Louis however.
   30. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 14, 2019 at 11:58 AM (#5890357)
Tim,

I only met Jack Casady a few times in Jr. High School, on a friend's paper route that I used to accompany him on. My only real memory of any of our conversations was when we both agreed that Little Willie John's version of "Fever" left Peggy Lee's top 40 version in the dust. Although at the time he was only about 13 or 14, by that comment alone I figured he had good taste in music.

If you ever read Capital Rock, the definitive history of the DC music scene, you'll see that when Casady was at Wilson High, he and his friends would hit every music spot in DC and the suburbs, absorbing every kind of music they could find, from R&B to R&R to country to bluegrass to blues to jazz to swing and probably some I've missed.

The irony is that the only reason I even knew he'd become a big star was that a college roommate and I used to get into music wars in the dorm, with me and my R&B 45's and him with his "white rock" albums. One day he showed me a copy of "Surrealistic Pillow", and when I saw the picture of the band on the album cover and read the liner notes, I did a triple take----Holy ####, I know this guy!

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