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Wednesday, August 13, 2014

Nats Enquirer: Jayson Werth apparently has speeding problems

Why else does someone get a Porsche?

According to a search of Fairfax County General District Court in the Virginia General District Court Online Case Information System, Werth was pulled over in Fairfax County, VA on July 6 and charged with reckless driving for doing 105 in a 55, and had a court date this past Friday (August 8) that has been continued until November 12. We don’t know our Virginia traffic laws very well; but can’t reckless driving offenses can lead to jail time in VA?

Jim Furtado Posted: August 13, 2014 at 09:11 AM | 51 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. JE (Jason) Posted: August 13, 2014 at 10:54 AM (#4770087)
If only there were a grizzled veteran outfielder who could take him aside and . . . er, never mind.
   2. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: August 13, 2014 at 11:29 AM (#4770114)
charged with reckless driving for doing 105 in a 55

Too bad he just missed joining the exclusive "I doubled the Interstate speed limit" club. Maybe next time.
   3. BDC Posted: August 13, 2014 at 01:32 PM (#4770216)
I love driving in Canada where I can go 110.
   4. valuearbitrageur Posted: August 13, 2014 at 01:41 PM (#4770226)
Virginia is an archaic state with archaic speeding laws.

Loved the 85 MPH highways in Utah.
   5. PreservedFish Posted: August 13, 2014 at 01:43 PM (#4770230)
Too bad he just missed joining the exclusive "I doubled the Interstate speed limit" club.

Hmm. I don't think I've ever done that. I've hit 110 but it was on one of those long flat empty Western strips where the limit is 70 or more.
   6. JE (Jason) Posted: August 13, 2014 at 01:56 PM (#4770246)
Back in August of '06, I hit 105 on a lonely stretch of one-lane highway (in each direction) in northern Wyoming. And then I slowed down to a more manageable 90. And haven't gone faster than 85-87 since.
   7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 13, 2014 at 01:59 PM (#4770254)
Hmm. I don't think I've ever done that. I've hit 110 but it was on one of those long flat empty Western strips where the limit is 70 or more.

I've done 130+ MPH in Europe.

Tops in the US is probably 100-ish.
   8. TJ Posted: August 13, 2014 at 02:00 PM (#4770256)
105 in a 55 zone? Doesn't sound like Werth has a speeding problem to me...
   9. eric Posted: August 13, 2014 at 02:17 PM (#4770272)
My records: 130 in a 65 (fastest for me). 105 in a 35. 90 in a 30. 20 in a 5 for the 4x (does that count?). I was a bit of a daredevil (#######? idiot? all of the above?) when I was younger. Worst getting pulled over was 95 in a 55 which technically was reckless driving, but the cop lowered it to 79 (25 over was the threshold). Given that Jayson and I are almost exactly the same age, seems like either he's 15 years behind the curve or I was 15 ahead of it. Of course, maybe if I were to own whatever car he probably has, I'd still be going 100+ regularly.
   10. Jeltzandini Posted: August 13, 2014 at 02:27 PM (#4770279)
Fairfax is suburban DC, not rural Utah. There's no way that 105 there is anything but reckless and stupid. It's not any cuter or playfully mischievous than a moderate DWI.
   11. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 13, 2014 at 02:36 PM (#4770287)
Fairfax is suburban DC, not rural Utah. There's no way that 105 there is anything but reckless and stupid.

He's not driving your VW Squareback with balding tires.
   12. JE (Jason) Posted: August 13, 2014 at 02:42 PM (#4770298)
Fairfax is suburban DC, not rural Utah. There's no way that 105 there is anything but reckless and stupid. It's not any cuter or playfully mischievous than a moderate DWI.

Twenty years ago, the Dulles access road (not to be confused with the toll road) was an easy place where one could go north of 100, although maybe not on balding tires. Nowadays, there's too much traffic and construction (not to mention smokeys) to excuse anything over 75....
   13. Nasty Nate Posted: August 13, 2014 at 02:59 PM (#4770312)
I love driving in Canada where I can go 110.


Speaking of Canada, there are some beautiful new highways in southern/eastern New Brunswick. They are big, wide expressways with almost zero traffic and so tempting to speed on.
   14. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 13, 2014 at 03:06 PM (#4770317)
I got a car my senior year of college and was generally a safe, follow the rules driver except for one thing. I hated how long it took to get between Ithaca and New York City. Because of this I had a goal of making every trip between the two places shorter than the last. To the shock of no one, I was pulled over for doing 94 in a 65 (I think) in March '08. When I was pulled over I went with the "I have no idea why this is happening" move despite the fact that I was well aware that I had hit 120 on the straightaway before slowing down to the mid 90s to make it around the bend. Nowadays I might touch 80 but once I notice it I drop down.
   15. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 13, 2014 at 03:06 PM (#4770320)
In many states, the issuance of a reckless driving citation, may (doesn't usually happen) permit the law enforcement personnel to take you and your vehicle into custody on the spot. In my previous life as an ADA, the standard for being taken into custody via reckless driving, was if you were a HTO (habitual traffic offender) and or if alcohol was involved, or children in car, otherwise we'd simply whack you with the steep fine, and lots of points, which may suspend your DL, and leave it to the judge/commissioner to determine whether or not you should sit in the clink.

In this suburban county of about 350,000 people in which we 'processed' traffic matters twice a week (citations issued by State Troopers, County Sheriff deps, along with DNR officers on Interstate, state, county HWYs) we would see about 5 drivers with 90+ mph citations per week, and maybe 1 person at 100+ per month. 115 in a 65 was fastest I recall being written.
   16. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: August 13, 2014 at 03:36 PM (#4770355)
Werth was pulled over in Fairfax County, VA on July 6 and charged with reckless driving for doing 105 in a 55,


Matt Williams appreciates the hustle.
   17. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 13, 2014 at 03:37 PM (#4770358)
Fairfax is suburban DC, not rural Utah. There's no way that 105 there is anything but reckless and stupid. It's not any cuter or playfully mischievous than a moderate DWI.

Parts of I-95 & I-66 are in Fairfax County. I wouldn't recommend doing 105 MPH on either, but Werth may not have been taking a shortcut through a school zone or tooling through your typical suburban subdivision.
   18. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 13, 2014 at 03:44 PM (#4770372)
Werth may not have been taking a shortcut through a school zone or tooling through your typical suburban subdivision.


Do they have a lot of school zones and subdivisions with 55 MPH limits in Fairfax County?

   19. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: August 13, 2014 at 03:47 PM (#4770379)
You're from or are around the Milwaukee area, right mrams? It's funny -- I feel relatively comfortable sitting at 80-90 on the Illinois side of 94, but am nervous going over 80 the Wisconsin side. This despite the fact that the speed limit is actually 10 MPH higher on the Wisconsin side.
   20. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 13, 2014 at 03:49 PM (#4770381)
Fairfax is suburban DC, not rural Utah. There's no way that 105 there is anything but reckless and stupid. It's not any cuter or playfully mischievous than a moderate DWI.

That's a bridge too far.

There are plenty of places in the NYC metro where you could do 110 pretty safely, depending on traffic/weather, e.g. NYS Thruway, I-684. The normal lefthand lane speed is probably 85+, except during rush hour.
   21. dr. scott Posted: August 13, 2014 at 04:16 PM (#4770406)
I'm a terrible speeder, but the cars I've owned don't go much faster than 80-85 before the uncomfortable shaking starts. Either way i gave up cars for the bicycle completely over the last 5 years. At least everyone else around me is safer.
   22. Lassus Posted: August 13, 2014 at 04:32 PM (#4770425)
There are plenty of places in the NYC metro where you could do 110 pretty safely, depending on traffic/weather, e.g. NYS Thruway, I-684. The normal lefthand lane speed is probably 85+, except during rush hour.

Passing people as if they were sitting at a dead stop on the highway and you are going 25 mph is not safe in the NYC metro area. Especially when those people are actually going 85 mph as opposed to 0 mph.
   23. BDC Posted: August 13, 2014 at 04:40 PM (#4770430)
Speaking of Canada, there are some beautiful new highways in southern/eastern New Brunswick. They are big, wide expressways with almost zero traffic and so tempting to speed on

That's actually great and timely news: the Sport Literature Association conference will be in Fredericton in 2016. One thing I'd really like to do is drive from there to Charlottetown and/or back. I promise not to speed: I truly don't think I got above 110 in BC this summer, not that the piece of crap Jeep I rented would go much faster.
   24. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 13, 2014 at 04:44 PM (#4770436)
You're from or are around the Milwaukee area, right mrams? It's funny -- I feel relatively comfortable sitting at 80-90 on the Illinois side of 94, but am nervous going over 80 the Wisconsin side. This despite the fact that the speed limit is actually 10 MPH higher on the Wisconsin side.


Yeah, grew up and used to live in the area, though not in Racine/Kenosha Co. You are spot on, Kenosha Co. in particular regularly does heavy patrol on I-94 in that range, especially now with the rebuild. What I know about those guys, is that they say there's enough offenders at 80+, they tend to shrug off just about anybody going just 10-15 over the limit. Aside from the first couple miles into Illinois, I'm with you, I wouldn't blink about driving 85mph on the Illinois side. It really isn't until you get to the TriState/I-294, where you get regular interstate patrols in Illinois, at least much more likely than on the Edens or Kennedy.
   25. Nasty Nate Posted: August 13, 2014 at 04:48 PM (#4770442)
That's actually great and timely news: the Sport Literature Association conference will be in Fredericton in 2016. One thing I'd really like to do is drive from there to Charlottetown and/or back. I promise not to speed: I truly don't think I got above 110 in BC this summer, not that the piece of crap Jeep I rented would go much faster.


Are you in Charlottetown? Have we had this conversation before?
   26. Joey B. Posted: August 13, 2014 at 04:53 PM (#4770445)
Jeez, Werth has been in this area long enough that he should know by now that Virginia is basically a police state. You can barely throw a rock around here without hitting a LEO.

Only a tourist or a fool could actually think they would get away with doing 105 in Fairfax for any significant length of time.
   27. Guapo Posted: August 13, 2014 at 04:57 PM (#4770449)
The Post has a copy of the ticket. Looks like he was clocked while driving on the Beltway near the Georgetown Pke exit around McLean at 9:30 on a Sunday (probably going to take the GW parkway to nats park).

Traffic would have been light then, but going 100 on the beltway is not smart (or safe).

Edit: to be clear, 9:30 AM
   28. Bourbon Samurai Posted: August 13, 2014 at 05:17 PM (#4770462)
Fairfax is suburban DC, not rural Utah. There's no way that 105 there is anything but reckless and stupid. It's not any cuter or playfully mischievous than a moderate DWI.

Parts of I-95 & I-66 are in Fairfax County. I wouldn't recommend doing 105 MPH on either, but Werth may not have been taking a shortcut through a school zone or tooling through your typical suburban subdivision.


Not to mention the Beltway. I grew up in Falls Church and there were plenty of places you could zip around at crazy speeds relatively safely at the right hour of night. I spent much of high school years doing it, although I never got up to 100, but I blame that on my dodge caravan.
   29. Joey B. Posted: August 13, 2014 at 05:24 PM (#4770469)
Traffic would have been light then, but going 100 on the beltway is not smart (or safe).

You're not kidding. From time to time deer will actually run all the the way across the Beltway in the wee hours of the morning around that 270 spur area. I've had a couple of sort-of near misses doing only 65-70.
   30. BDC Posted: August 13, 2014 at 05:30 PM (#4770474)
Are you in Charlottetown? Have we had this conversation before?

No, no, I'm in Texas :) I'd fly up somewhere and spend some days before and after the Fredericton conference doing some auto touring.
   31. zack Posted: August 13, 2014 at 06:44 PM (#4770523)
You're from or are around the Milwaukee area, right mrams? It's funny -- I feel relatively comfortable sitting at 80-90 on the Illinois side of 94, but am nervous going over 80 the Wisconsin side. This despite the fact that the speed limit is actually 10 MPH higher on the Wisconsin side.

I've driven worse places in terms of traffic or ####### drivers or ridiculous roads, but having just driven 90 up and 94 back through Chicago, it's the second worst place I've ever driven in terms of speed. Not only is everyone doing at least 80, but the speed limit is constantly changing (WHY?!), dropping to 45 in places, and everyone keeps going 80. So now you're doing 35 over (but so is everyone else). And when you're not doing 80 you're slamming on the brakes to a dead stop.

The only worse place is the QEW coming into Toronto. The last time I drove into Toronto I got passed, while I was going 90mph, by someone on the right. I was in the right lane.

Sort of on topic, whoever thought that having a separate speed limit for trucks and cars on an interstate is an imbecile. I can see how that came about, but all it accomplishes is making it more dangerous for everyone.
   32. Leroy Kincaid Posted: August 13, 2014 at 07:27 PM (#4770559)
I'm no highway-star (rarely get above 85) but I think people who do 60 in the left lane should be stabbed. I'm just sayin'.
   33. Nasty Nate Posted: August 13, 2014 at 07:59 PM (#4770583)
No, no, I'm in Texas :) I'd fly up somewhere and spend some days before and after the Fredericton conference doing some auto touring.


That's a good idea, it's beautiful up there.
   34. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 13, 2014 at 08:09 PM (#4770593)
The last time I drove into Toronto I got passed, while I was going 90mph, by someone on the right. I was in the right lane.

Rob Ford motorcade?
   35. Super Creepy Derek Lowe (GGC) Posted: August 13, 2014 at 08:13 PM (#4770596)
I got clocked once doing 101 MPH somewhere near Watseka, Ill. on I-55. I think the fine they issued me bankrolled the new gymnasium for the local high school.
   36. depletion Posted: August 13, 2014 at 09:50 PM (#4770686)
Only a tourist or a fool could actually think they would get away with doing 105 in Fairfax for any significant length of time.

Werth is a fool then. The reason 105 is illegal is that if everyone went 105 we'd all die in 3 weeks.
   37. JE (Jason) Posted: August 13, 2014 at 10:04 PM (#4770699)
Traffic would have been light then, but going 100 on the beltway is not smart (or safe).

Yeah, is there any stretch of the Beltway that one can drive 100 for more than a minute or two without being out of their mind? Perhaps by Andrews Air Force Base?
   38. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: August 13, 2014 at 10:06 PM (#4770702)
I was a terrible, aggressive driver when I was young, though I was driving a 10-year-old Volvo station wagon, so it was hard to go that fast. Now that I can afford a car with a real engine, I'm a very nervous and slow driver. I often don't even attain the speed limit when I'm in Utah or Wyoming.

Oregon has a very low speed limit, and our staties are real careful about it. If you ever drive up to PDX from SFO or Los Angeles, you'll probably see 4 or 5 people getting popped in Jackson County, which lies just north of the California line -- the speed limit drops by 10 MPH right there, and the cops become much more vigilant.
   39. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: August 13, 2014 at 10:08 PM (#4770703)
I never go over 80-85 on the interstates for two simple reasons: Speed cameras and radar traps. When you're doing 80, one tap on the brakes puts you under the ticketing threshold in most parts of Maryland, but over 85 and you could get pulled over before you know it.
   40. JE (Jason) Posted: August 13, 2014 at 10:16 PM (#4770707)
I never go over 80-85 on the interstates for two simple reasons: Speed cameras and radar traps. When you're doing 80, one tap on the brakes puts you under the ticketing threshold in most parts of Maryland, but over 85 and you could get pulled over before you know it.

Only two reasons, Andy? Isn't it difficult to go that fast when steering with your knees?
   41. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 13, 2014 at 10:29 PM (#4770713)

I used to be a pretty reckless driver, getting a couple of tickets (one for speeding and one for an illegal U-turn) in a one-week span in my late-20s cured me of that. In my early 20s, I'd sometimes break 100 on I-5 driving from LA to SF. Now I try to stick to 10 MPH over the speed limit, or 15 if the rest of the traffic around me is going that speed.
   42. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: August 13, 2014 at 10:56 PM (#4770728)
I never go over 80-85 on the interstates for two simple reasons: Speed cameras and radar traps. When you're doing 80, one tap on the brakes puts you under the ticketing threshold in most parts of Maryland, but over 85 and you could get pulled over before you know it.

Only two reasons, Andy? Isn't it difficult to go that fast when steering with your knees?


Not really, at least not on a straightaway if your wheels are in proper alignment. OTOH I might not recommend it on the off-ramps or on the Beltway. (smile)
   43. boteman Posted: August 14, 2014 at 12:48 AM (#4770755)
I challenge ANYBODY to go anywhere close to the speed limit on the Capital Beltway. If the Sun is up, it will be slowed to a crawl by construction, wrecks, the random trooper sitting on the side of the road, or just sheer volume of traffic. If Werth really wanted to have some fun he should have opened it up wide on old Georgetown Pike out Great Falls way, especially around those S-curves.

I wonder if Jayson was given special treatment? I mean, he is 35 years old and has various aches and pains hobbling him in the field these days after all.
   44. tshipman Posted: August 14, 2014 at 01:07 AM (#4770758)
This thread is a great example of why autonomous driving cannot happen soon enough.
   45. Walt Davis Posted: August 14, 2014 at 01:26 AM (#4770767)
I don't think I've ever topped 95 but ... it was in a Dodge Colt ca 1990.

Top that!

If you're wondering ... yes, the front end of a Dodge Colt does get a bit loose around 95 MPH.
   46. valuearbitrageur Posted: August 14, 2014 at 03:13 AM (#4770788)
Only a tourist or a fool could actually think they would get away with doing 105 in Fairfax for any significant length of time.

Werth is a fool then. The reason 105 is illegal is that if everyone went 105 we'd all die in 3 weeks.


If he was in a 911 it was perfectly safe. Porsches are rock solid at speed and have massive brakes. I caught myself doing 105 on many occasions while passing in my Boxster and car felt so stable I was surprised I was over 75. On those Utah freeways I touched 100 in my wife's V6 Cayenne which is about as barebones a Porsche as you can get, still solid and stops on a dime, even from high speed.

Fastest I ever went was 124 on two occasions. Boxster in Arizona, and a VW Corrado in N. California (was a crazy kid back then). I got pulled over in VW shortly thereafter while doing 105. When cop started berating me and saying he would only write me up for 84 because he'd have to take me to jail for 30 over, I had to control my giggles thinking "How mad would he be if he had caught me 5 miles earlier".
   47. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: August 14, 2014 at 08:08 AM (#4770809)
I challenge ANYBODY to go anywhere close to the speed limit on the Capital Beltway. If the Sun is up, it will be slowed to a crawl by construction, wrecks, the random trooper sitting on the side of the road, or just sheer volume of traffic.

Depends on the time of day and whether you're in Maryland or Virginia. I drive from Kensington to Glen Burnie and back every week, via 495 and 95, usually leaving Kensington just before 7:00 PM, and 4 times out of 5 everyone's going the usual 70 once they pass Georgia Avenue. And coming back around midnight, it's 70 to 80 all the way. OTOH Virginia is much more known for its strict enforcement, and there's more construction over there than there is on the Maryland side.

Not that Werth wouldn't have been stopped in Maryland, but in the neighborhood of 80 you're much more likely to be caught in Virginia.
   48. JE (Jason) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 08:15 AM (#4770811)
I challenge ANYBODY to go anywhere close to the speed limit on the Capital Beltway. If the Sun is up, it will be slowed to a crawl by construction, wrecks, the random trooper sitting on the side of the road, or just sheer volume of traffic.

I've done 85 from the Maryland side of the American Legion Bridge until I-270 on Sundays before 9am. (I need to be on time for softball.)
   49. just plain joe Posted: August 14, 2014 at 08:33 AM (#4770818)
Fastest I ever went was 124 on two occasions.


I have gone faster than that on at least twice, once in a Ford GT belonging to a former neighbor. He showed up one day and asked if I wanted to go for a ride. We went out to a section of the interstate that is typically lightly traveled, if not deserted. After a few minutes he asked if I wanted to drive and naturally I said yes. He told me to drive it like it was my own, so I did; I wasn't watching the speedometer but my friend was calling off the speeds. When we got to 160 I decided that discretion was the better part of valor and backed off. I found out later we could have gone much faster, the top speed of a Ford GT is 190-195 mph. I never felt unsafe going that fast, the car was planted to the road and there was no other traffic to worry about.

The other banzai run was in a Mustang GT; I had it up to around 130 on my way to work one morning. Unlike the Ford GT, the front end on the Mustang started to get noticeably lighter as the speed increased so I declined to push it any further.

I don't condone driving at a high rate of speed on public highways but I don't necessarily condemn it either, sometimes things just happen. I will say that now that I'm older (and hopefully wiser), I no longer have the urge to go hyper fast.
   50. Howie Menckel Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:26 AM (#4770839)

I got a ride from the Formula One Grand Prix world champ a couple of years ago on the streets of Weehawken, on the edge of the Hudson River, Jersey side. He cleared 100 mph in a souped-up Infiniti, and never seemed to brake as we made turns in the circular route.

Felt WAY safer than riding at 55 mph in midtown Manhattan with a cab driver with no license from a country with no paved roads, lol.

   51. Ron J2 Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:44 AM (#4770854)
#21 A friend seems to believe cars have two speeds. Off and on. He's picked up an awesome number of speeding tickets over the years.

Another friend said of him (in a different context), he never makes the same mistake once.

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