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I think Garnett is best understood as a raving lunatic robot who likes to play defense and yell at people. He's not "human" per se.
I actually mostly can't argue with this. I'm a Celtics fan, but I find Paul Pierce's offensive game to be almost entirely unwatchable and Garnett's bullying to be pretty loathsome. I've also never liked Jason Terry's whole deal. But I can't get mad at Rondo, and I find Doc to be extremely likable, and I'm bizarrely attached to Jeff Green, and I'm really excited about this new group of players. In fact I'm probably more excited about this team than any since the championship year.
And got more money.
What about Rondo's clothesline of Wade? Just another classy move
To be fair, Teflon Dwyane is also kind of an ####### based on watching games and not knowing him.
Yeah, this is something I meant to say as well. Whatever Garnett's fundamental human qualities, the...thing he becomes on the court is just really unattractive.
And Rondo simply comes off as a jerk of the highest order.
It doesn't help that everything I've read about Allen makes him seem like a genuinely interesting, worldly, admirable figure. Set him against Rajon Rondo and it's really easy to pick a favorite.
Just another subjective opinion
Great article.
Hollins was the target of my favorite Basketball quote, by Andrew Toney, in response to how Maurice Cheeks and Lionel Hollins helped him as a rookie: "Mo, he tells me what it is; Trane, he tells me what it be".
He couldn't have had 2 better teachers.
See now this part seems totally obvious to me. Their teammate just left to sign with the team that knocked them out of the playoffs. Of course they're going to hold it against him. Doesn't mean they wouldn't do it themselves, doesn't mean they begrudge the guy getting a deal he liked better, it's just simple: you were one of us, now you're one of them, therefore we're not cool. That seems perfectly logical to me. They're competitive people.
The Reggie Miller 30-for-30 talked about the Knicks having a similar attitude, but to a more thuggish extent. There was the "no helping an opposing player up", which seems ok but will lead to chippy games, and the "knock a guy to the floor if he drives the lane", which isn't ok and will lead to fights and awful basketball. I do like the "no shots after the whistle" thing the C's did (still do?) as a meaningless non-violent show of team seriousness.
So, to get brief, my overall take is I might not like the Celtics team attitude, but I can appreciate it as their way of winning, because I'd rather see a team that cares than a team that doesn't.
Isn't some of that payback for Wade's armbar of Rondo last year?
Edit: Echoing [808] I can understand Garnett being of a mindset where he can't be friends with Ray Allen right now. If that extends until after one or the other retires, then you're really being a *($#.
The Knicks do this. I hate it and think it looks stupid. On the other hand, I, as a lifelong Knick fan *sobs uncontrollably* LOVED not shaking hands, helping opposing players up, or allowing anyone to drive the lane.
No, pretty sure clotheslining a guy in basketball is pretty cheap. And, I bet that's a pretty universal opinion.
The Celtics "Ubuntu" us-against-the-world thing works well for a little while, until guys start getting traded, and its not an "us" anymore
Yeah. The thing that makes it really funny is Allen played longer on non-Celtics teams in his career than Celtics. In fact, didn't he play on two teams each longer than the Celtics? It's not like he was drafted by them
It probably looks pretty stupid if you're not a title contender, like the C's were when they started doing it.
No, I think it just generally looks stupid.
EDIT:Count me among the people who prefer bad sportsmanship to the lack of interest in winning that at times seems to pop up in the NBA.
Agree with the bolded.
Same. I'd take a jerk who would do anything to win like Garnett over a nice but indifferent player like Vinsanity any day of the week.
(and I'm talking only about attitudes. Obviously there's a country mile between their level of performance as well)
No, I enjoy ugly basketball and rivlaries and mutual hatred and all that stuff. I just think the post play blocked shot thing is ridiculous because a.) it has no effect on the score and b.) (this is the main reason) you would see guys literally run across the lane to try and block a shot (that wouldnt't count) and I just thought it actually looked ridiculous, as in laughable, especially when guys missed.
I also enjoy post whistle shots / block attempts...
RDF
I really didn't read that as a clothesline. It looked to me like Rondo tried to wrap up Wade's shoulders to keep him from the rim and also as a bit of an eff you for the uncalled hooking Wade threw on him earlier in the game. Wade was driving hard and moving around and Rondo's left hand slipped up to the neck. It was an intentional foul near the head area, so I don't think he deserves any particular clemency. I'm inclined to give Rondo the benefit of the doubt here, granted, but the fact that he initially grabbed the shoulders and, though he held on with his right, let go with his left hand right after it hit Wade's neck, fit the hypothesis that it was a wrap-up gone awry. Wade is a historically slippery guy. I understand others took a different interpretation.
I will say, for all the good things he does, I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to watch a team whose point guard can't make an open 15-footer.
That's pretty incredible, NJ.
dwight howard may have just locked this up on opening night. 3/14 sets a pretty high bar for the rest of the year.
Tell that to Popeye Jones, Sam Cassell, and Hedo Turkoglu.
My take on Garnett is that the stuff about him that bugs people is tied inextricably to the stuff that has made him so great, and I think that is true of most people; it is just more visible with Garnett.
This may be a only theoretical concern at present, mind you.
Especially when you play pick-and-roll.
TOnight's the extension deadline. Taj Gibson and the Bulls are still apart, so he may be heading to RFA after the season
Especially when you play pick-and-roll.
Yep:
Hollinger had the best reaction:
power's back, cable's back, internet's back. sixers are shooting horrendously, but they're still managing to cling to a 1 point lead halfway through the 2nd quarter. getting killed on the boards, too.
I'm so glad they sent Asik packing so this could happen. As a White Sox fan it's a constant battle of evil JR and good JR. Sign Peavy, let Gibson walk over relative peanuts. If he gets to RFA someone will make an offer he can't refuse and Chicago won't match, you can take that to the bank, literally in Gibson's case.
I'm obviously biased, but OTOH he's always been my least favorite among the "big four," well before he left.
And I haven't even watched the Rondo/Wade play yet, but Wade broke Rondo's arm by pulling him to the ground in a playoff game, so.
They are leading at half though, though looking at the lines you wonder how the hell they're doing it.
Meanwhile, Jeremy Lin seem to be doing alright.
jrue holiday had a solid night with 14, 6, and 11 assists. he was only 5/16 from the floor, though.
the wings did not have a great shooting night either. turner, richardson, wright, and young combined to go 12/41 from the field, which is kind of terrible, but they also had 5 threes, and went 9/9 from the FT line, which mellowed out the poor FG% just a little bit.
also, i wasn't a fan of denver coming into the season, so i can't really gloat over this just yet, but the last time denver scored fewer than 75 points was feb 7, 2009. that seems like an indication of...something.
Can we start a fan campaign for him to officially change his name to this? 1000x better than Chad Ochocinco, as far as vanity names go.
You and I have clearly been reading different stories. See, e.g., Brian Windhorst ("Allen has dragged up three-year-old stories and anti-Rondo rhetoric, trotting them out in prearranged media interviews") or Jackie MacMullan. Allen lost his starting job because the Celtics were better when the other guy started. That's usually how smart basketball teams are run. And he's hardly the first player to be the subject of trade rumors. I'm sure that's not pleasant and he indeed was by and large professional, but it sounds like it also helped sour his relationship with his teammates and his coach and he has spelled that all out in the press since he left.
In more interesting news, that 37/6/12/4/1 line from James Harden is pretty spiffy.
although i will admit that if i was really good, i'd also find a way to work in a reference to inspector spacetime.
Brian Windhorst is not part of the Boston press corps. Never has been. And it's not like unnamed sources or something -- Allen went out of his way to hold press conferences and talk about Rivers and Rondo.
How did Anthony Davis look tonight?
On an 82-0 pace! ;-)
nash hurt - lower leg contusion
on the other hand, kobe and tafka ron artest hit 6 combined 3s, and dwight howard went 15/19 from the FT line a night after locking up the nick anderson award. first we show up, then we see what happens.
Tribjazz pic
Looks like fat Chris Tucker and Wooderson
Stolen from Twitter:
Lin +23 in 35 minutes
DWTDD -14 in 13 minutes
Finally - and I say this as someone who believes they'll ultimately end up with 55+ wins and (at least) an appearance in the Western Conference Finals - I am really enjoying the new Laker dynasty thus far.
I hope they schedule Tim's last game in 2015 to be against Anthony Davis.
I hope to god it was a fake tooth. That came out way too easy, there didn't appear to be any blood, and he didn't miss any time. Otherwise, he's hella tough.
gibson for 4/32 (+6m in incentives)
Great deal. Gibson gave in. Before the game, he said he wouldn't sign it, then he had all these quotes afterwards about how it was too much to pass up, how happy he was in Chicago, etc.
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Some other thoughts on that Bulls/Kings game:
-The Kings actually have more guys I like than I thought (Hayes, Brooks, Thorton), but the pieces just don't look like they fit yet.
-The Bulls were going offense/defense (actually, if I were being honest I wouldn't call the one group "offense") and the defense team was Noah/Deng/Butler/Hinrich/NateRob...and it kinda worked because of how crazy the Kings roster is.
-The Bulls got great games from Noah and Boozer, and about as good of a game as you can hope for from Rip and barely won. I don't want to overreact, but perhaps I did overrate their chances.
-The Bulls are not fun or interesting to watch at all. Ugh.
I see no reason why he can't, he's going to get the shots. If he can keep the same efficiency, now that would be impressive.
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It's kinda funny the Allen and Rondo stuff here is breaking pretty clearly along rooting lines. I'm hopelessly biased, so I've been trying to avoid commenting, especially since if I were to comment on the Rondo/Wade play from the other night I'd have to take Wade's side and I'd rather not do that.
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I remember when people were blasting the bulls for wasting a pick on taj Gibson. Things have changed.
Indeed. I for one was very critical of that pick.
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Looking at those other extensions signed yesterday, I like the Gibson deal even more.
I agree with this (Really, Toronto?), but $8 million plus per year for a guy who plays 20-25 minutes per game? Feels like a lot to me - maybe I am underestimating what a guy like him should make. Are they planning on playing him more this year?
And exactly what NBA city is a hellhole for a young man making millions? That is some silly right there, and I think he can decide to sign or not for any reason he wants, but hellhole? Really? Of course it wasn't the player talking about hellholes, but still.
Detroit. Memphis. Sacramento. Oakland. The two California ones really stand out because you add in California taxes. Plus, you know with the Bulls you're going to win, you get no guarantees from that if you leave.
The problem is they bargained against themselves. Hollinger points this out every offseason, but few teams realize the power they wield in restricted free agency. The Hornets did in the offseason with Gordon, the Bulls appeared to with Gibson, but why give DeRozan that kind of cash? Do you really think that someone else was going to? Wouldn't you like to see this year first to determine if last year was real or not?
The money's not going to cripple them, and you're right, they won't get near the cap because players seem to have an aversion to Canada. I just think it shows that the front office doesn't understand the market and the CBA.
Yes. I don't think Mohammed is going to just absorb all of Asik's minutes. I could see Boozer's minutes declining more, and with both Noah and Boozer as injury risk, I'll be surprised if Taj doesn't end up starting at least 20 games this year.
Wouldn't you like to see this year first to determine if last year was real or not?
Even though he scored more last year, he still kinda sucked. I don't think he was worth his contract last year, so in essence they're paying for hopeful future improvements.
I saw the post game interview with Kanter and loved the attire. For the sake of entertainment, I'm hoping that's how he always dresses and it had nothing to do with Halloween.
With Millsap and Jefferson in the starting lineup and Favors and Kanter coming off the bench, I'm thinking the Jazz could be a serious rebounding and double-double machine this season.
I actually meant it in the "last year sucked, i hope this isn't real" sense. I thought it was just generally accepted that he regressed last year. This is why I'm a scientist, not a writer.
Collison- he just lit up Steve Nash and Mo Williams. That result against the Jazz is about what you'd expect from Dirk-less Dallas. Hard to read too much into what they did against LA's current state of confusion. I'm sure the Lakers will repay the favor once they get it figured out.
Harden really was a boss. Not much to add. He was so assertive and never faded out of the spotlight when he was in the game. Lin looked ok, and I am sure he will be featured more as time goes on, but there was one play where you could see him trying to prove he could go left when they hedged on a pick, and he instantly turned it over. I also liked the play when he had the ball on the elbow with 3 secs on the shot clock, everyone was covered, so he rapidly backpedaled 2 dribbles to get behind the 3-pt line and maximize the value of his jacked-up shot.
Denver looked sickly. The only guy who pushed anything in the parts I watched was Andre Miller. They took a lot of contested long twos. Philadelphia gets credit for not giving them anything easy. They also get blame for not finding a plan B when the fast-break plan wasn't working against a low-TO opponent.
I'll spot you Sacremento (though I think hellhole is strong even for that cow town), but the others - especially Oakland - have very nice areas around them to live in and plenty of amenities (clubs, whatever). And you can't be serious that he took less money to avoid possibly paying a bit more in California taxes - that is just silly. Making a Florida versus New York taxes calculation is one thing, making an Illinois versus unknown locale tax rate argument.
I can see taking certainty and have no complaint with him choosing whatever, but hellhole is jsut a silly thing for anyone to have said about pretty much any NBA city. It's not like they are playing in Beruit or anything.
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