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Yea Coon just confirmed this. I'm just following the Knicks RealGM board a bit. Guess the job would be DWTDD's to lose.
Same reason you and Joe get irrational talking about them, I guess.
The Lakers have not gotten anyone yet. Chill.
When I first read it, I thought your computer or phone autocorrected "Bibby" to "Diddy" and I thought that was funny, then I re-read the post.
Yeah, I just had that conversation in my head about 15 minutes ago. The idea that Pau goes into the black box and Paul comes out the other side just does not compute. There's a letter that is unaccounted for, amongst other things.
It'll be a three-way, in which Orlando gets the immortal Al Jefferson to replace Howard as their franchise anchor.
I would be very surprised if this allowed a player to extend his deal beyond the max deal length. Otherwise, it would be a pretty enormous loophole to allow guys to sign for an extra year, and the team could just give them another year's salary.
I would wear a microphone all the time!
Sources tell me that the owners would absolutely not go to $125.
All good points. I don't know how to make those valuations either; it just "feels" high to me.
That L goes into the appropriate column for the Hornets, and it's bringing friends.
Oh, I know. It's just fun to get posts like your [305] and the ones from the previous page in return. Having some fun.
Right now, it's just Broussard and they're just "discussions." I need more than that for me to take it seriously. A lot more.
Max for Chandler is 4/74. Simmons had him going back to Dallas at 4/69. Four for 58 works for me. If someone does a sign and trade for Nene at 5/100, Chandler's a steal.
CP3 would, essentially, have to agree to stabbing his friend in the back.
Who had the hose last?
Yeah, I don't see this going down that way.
Simmons is pretty much full of shitt. Don't get me wrong; triggering on Chandler makes plenty of sense for the Knicks. But the guy is not a "steal" at 14.5M a year.
Paul likes playing with Chandler a lot and that covers for losing Anthony. If the Knicks really wanted to win the CP3 derby, that would almost certainly trump everyone. I'd give it serious thought if I were them.
But the guy is not a "steal" at 14.5M a year.
Only in the context of Nene at 5/100. But, true, that's a lot of money. You have to think part of what they're paying for is premised somehow, some way, on CP3, no?
Given the scarcity of big men, the Knicks' resources, roster composition, and the fit, it makes sense for the Knicks to give Chandler a shitload of money. He is a 10-15M player--for them.
NO. I cannot stress that enough. And no, I don't think trading Melo (or STAT) for him is a realistic option either.
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The Chandler move came completely out of the blue and I think the Knicks might actually be thinking outside the box and actually trying to put a team together, as opposed to a fantasy team. I expect STAT/Melo trade rumors to appear and be serious. I'd offer the Nets either one for D-Will.
Then immediately changed the report from Bynum to Gasol. He has no idea what he's talking about. He is a hack who makes up most of his reports.
This gets into the realm of the unknowable, in the sense that we don't really know how these guys' relationships are, what they have talked about, etc.
Paul likes playing with Chandler, but all indications are that he and Anthony and Stoudemire (and Wade and James) are very tight personally.
But again, we don't know.
This Chandler/NY stuff makes me think, as I alluded to earlier, that Cuban will be heard from in all this, one way or another.
Small market owners ##### about profitability, then are forced to overpay FAs just to hit the higher salary floor.
Small market owners complain about being unable to keep their superstars, but one is still ends up trading a top-5 player to the Lakers.
*($# every one of you owners for taking my games away.
ADDENDUM: Coke to Void.
What does LA's frontcourt rotation look like now? Bynum and...?
You and Joe just crack me up when it comes to the Lakers.
The Lakers are obviously in the mix on all this shitt; they may get Paul or Howard, they may not. That is all we got.
Back in the real world, I am not a fan of the deal the Clippers gave Caron Butler.
I also am not a fan of the Butler signing. I don't really see how that is the move that team needs.
Edit: Coke to Frank McCourt
I have Laker problems, but this was a Woj rant...
...See?
Just Howard.
Lakers get CP3
Rockets get Gasol
Hornets get Odom, Scola, Martin and Dragic
If it happens, it will be a three-four-way--like I have been saying for days. NO will get some youth, someone else will get Gasol and/or Odom, and the Lakers will get Paul.
I also assume that Demps will try to get rid of either Okafor's or Ariza's contract in the deal.
It has occurred to me that Indiana might be involved in a three-way with LAL and NO. They have Hill and Collison, and they supposedly want an upgrade on Hansbrough at the 4.
See above. If this goes down, it will be a three-way. I don't know how good Wojnarowski's sources are--but it will be a three-way.
I also don't see Morey giving up Dragic, Scola, and Martin to get Pau , unless that is a prelude to something else.
Since Simmons is big buddies with Morey, it would be funny if Morey facilitated Paul's coming to the Lakers.
Yeah, and Scola is no spring chicken either.
I think all of you guys are getting way ahead of yourselves, but they would likely use the mini-MLE on a 4. They also have the trade exception from the Vujacic dump to use until the 15th.
Kobe may well break down due to age/mileage, but calling him "injury prone" is ludicrous. Check his BaskRef page for his games played numbers. Durability has been one of Kobe's primary plusses as a player. Bynum you are right about of course.
WRT Paul, I am not sure we know what shape his knee is really in. People seem to make assertions about it a lot. I do think it is possible he will have a short shelf life as an elite player--one of many obvious reasons that Howard is a better get--although I find Paul much more fun to watch.
Bynum's deal has a 12-13 team option as well.
I agree with something Sam Amick wrote the other day: this may be a very big moment for the Clippers. If they don't come away with Paul or Howard, and the Lakers do, that will be bad for them, and even with Griffin, keep them being the "JV" in LA for awhile longer.
We'll see. Pretty interesting stuff.
Of course. I had the pleasure of owning Kobe a season ago in fantasy, dude plays through everything. I meant "injury prone" in his case as "on the wrong side of 32".
If Gasol is still a sought-after guy, the Lakers should be sniffing around NJ. Gasol for Williams (whether direct or with some other teams) would be a nice idea as well. After last year's debacle, my thought was that Gasol wasn't really movable and certainly not for a top player. If the Lakes can move him for good value, they should do it. If they can move him for an All-Star point guard, they need to just stick him on a plane until they find out where he should land.
Paul: Concerns about how many miles he'll be able to put on his odometer
Bynum: Injury-prone
He actually had a good year, except for Phil killing him, and (duh) the Dallas series. I think Dallas winning it all took some heat off him.
And the deal isn't done, and it may all be BS.
Still and all, quite a day to be a Laker and Angel fan, huh, Dagoberto?
You used the word fantasy in your post, and although not in the right context, I do believe it correctly describes this part of your post.
BTW, exactly *who* is the one getting creative? Is Allan Houston officially the GM? Is it Isiah?
Looks like the Paul to the Lakers stuff is going to preempt your fantasy anyway.
After Deron's "90%" comment the other day and his explanation of the money involved (extension vs resigning), I think the Nets aren't going to talk about trading him at all, much less for Gasol.
He did have a nice season, but he was horrid against Memphis too. Not just bad for Gasol, but bad, real bad. Both series were favorable match-ups for him... and he was awful. Based on a few of the things that came out, I would be surprised to see him in a Laker uniform again.
Bynum and Odom for Paul would be a different thing. That move I'm not sure of.
Heh. Andrew, you think this is legit? ;-0
OK this made me laugh.
And no, I don't want Paul or Howard to go to LAL, but if it happens it happens. I am still in the brief shining moment where my wolves have a real coach, Ricky!, and Williams is awesome. Soon reality will hit, but for now the franchise is in the best shape of its life! (OK not really, but close)
You mean New Orleans, but yeah. Although he and Kobe denied--vehemently--the Vanessa Bryant: Love Advisor thing that got berg and Joe C all happy last spring, Gasol admitted that he had personal problems that were bugging him.
If this really goes down--unless it is actually a prelude to a Howard deal, which I find very hard to believe--a lot of the fanbase will not be thrilled. Trading one excellent and one good big man and getting a back a 6'0 guy with knee issues, even if he is Chris Paul, will not go over well with many, and of course the team will be "One awkward landing by Andrew Bynum away from..."
Bynum also will be serving his suspension the first five games, recall.
I can't believe that the other owners would allow it, and I can't believe Stern would allow it if they don't object. Actually, the second part I can believe, but not the first.
Sources say he's into goats.
Grizzlies did not play LA in the playoffs.
It's all blocked out at this point.
Gasol and Odom is a lot for a point guard.
So's your mom.
I know--unless they are actually getting Howard and Paul, and I simply don't see how that would work.
And to go back to earlier point...Stephen Curry is a very nice player, but I would not hold this up for him if I ran the Warriors and it was on the table.
...having a backcourt of CP3 and Kobe Bryant.
The Bulls will get into the Howard stuff if that is the case. Then we can use the hose on Moses.
Or, again, they are trying to set up a three-way.
Or a Clippers offer (like maybe the one they wouldn't do for CP3). Are their contracts close enough to do that trade straight up? Is DJ Mbenga going to start at the 4 and 5 for the Lakers on opening day?
I think Mbenga is part of the Kevin Love to LA deal. But there's always room for Kwame.
Every time Dwight is asked about Chicago he downplays it. I think he really doesn't want to play in a cold weather city, which is weird because it's not like a regular person moving to Chicago that has to live there 51 weeks out of 52.
I also think he might have a bit of a rivalry with Rose, just speculation though. It makes almost too much sense though to have Deng and Noah be the center pieces of a Howard deal. Orlando gets two guys in their mid 20's to build around and both are signed to fair long term deals. I doubt they get a better offer, assuming Chicago would even offer that, as GarPax seems a bit too attached to "their" guys at times.
I do really like WATCHING Paul, so if this is real, that part will be great. But I will miss Gasol and Odom, and so will the team.
@ Matt,
Maybe. I suppose, as berg suggests, that Howard might now say, "Trade me to the Lakers." But the Bulls can put together a very solid offer.
And, I also want to say this and will repeat it if the Howard stuff is not BS and the Paul deal is real: I don't think it would be good for the league if the Lakers got both Howard and Paul, and that is the type of statement I rarely, rarely, make. I think the Lakers getting one of them is just fine--good, actually--for the league, although the Haters will yammer incessantly about it. But not both.
As a Lakers fan, I want it to happen, of course. But as an observer of the league, not so much.
Speaking of...
Obviously it's the Lakers.
Owners voted 25-5 in favor of deal (no vote guesses anyone?).
Players:
100% agree.
Assuming the Paul deal is for real (and it seems to be):
Incredibly enough, Fisher has two more player options and Blake has three years left on his deal. Overcommitting to role players is a Kupchak tradition.
I also think that they will save the amnesty card--because they might have to use it on Kobe in 2013-14. Yes, I know: people would mark Buss for assassination, etc. But it could happen. If they decide not to go that way, this may mean that Blake, rather than Walton, gets cut right now. Fisher will be on the team, and Paul, of course, is a guy that Fisher cannot say word one in complaint about in terms of unseating him--as Fisher would have been inclined to do with a mid-tier replacemant.
As to Morris, my guess is that he will either start in the DLeague, or, perhaps, if the rules allow it, be included in a small trade for a frontcourt body.
Long-term, I think he is SOL in LA, but I do believe he will have an NBA career. He has been called a "poor man's Andre Miller" which doesn't sound that great, but Miller has actually had a hell of a run in the league--and is still around. I would prefer Fisher retire and they keep Morris, but at this point I think Morris will make the team only if Blake gets cut.
I'm in a similar place. I'll be pretty upset if they get Dwight, but if the team runs with Bynum and whoever they get to run the 4, it could be a lot of fun to watch.
And wouldn't the Lakers kinds need him?
As for Darius Morris, he has real talent. Can't shoot, but can play in transition, see the floor, and has ideal size to d up opposing PGs.
Nobody will see it unless they watch as much Derrick Rose and Michigan hoops as I do, but current Michigan frosh PG Trey Burke is a dead ringer for Rose on some of his moves. Burke is nowhere near the athlete Rose is but the way they use little deeks and ball fakes to get into the lane is eerily similar. Ford is currently projecting Burke as a late first rounder this year, which, yikes, sucks for Michigan fans. I mean, it's great he's so good already, it just sucks he might be a one and done.
Yes, and Howard. I don't see how this works for LA unless Howard joins the team. IMHO, it's not a matter of "if", but "when" the Howard shoe drops. There's just no way you make this trade w/o getting Howard. What can LA win with Paul, Kobe, and Bynum's bad legs?
I don't wanna be a jerk, but, uh, consider optometry if you can't see how this makes LA better. It's a little ludicrous to say that the only way adding a top-5 guy to your team will work is if you can get _another_ top 5 guy as well.
That makes more sense dollar wise (from the Laker stand-point, they should have to take back more money I would think) but it really cuts into NO's return. I'd love it if it happened.
I don't think it's obvious this makes the Lakers immediately better, especially if they don't get Scola. Losing Pau and Odom and gaining Paul seems like a wash IMO. Sure, they have a deadly back court, they are also one easily tweaked Bynum knee away from having one of the worst front courts in basketball. I can't wait to see Kobe smirking after Mbenga fails to rebound a critical opposition miss in crunch time.
That advantage that got them swept in the 2nd round last year? Right.
The NBA is now pushing New Orleans GM Dell Demps to pull the plug on the trade and keep Chris Paul, league sources tell Y! Sports.
I think people are underestimating the sucking hole the Lakers had in the backcourt last year, and they've filled it with a top-5 guy. Seriously, I live in Seattle, and I didn't have to vacuum for the first two rounds, because the PG spot sucked so bad for the Lakers.
Edit: I'm not saying it makes them scary. But it makes them better. They're not scary right now.
Well, look at it this way: I think Gasol is generally considered to be among the Top 20 players in the game, and Odom is considered to be among the Top 40. Gasol is about 6'11", Odom is about 6'10", and both of them have a lot of skills. They have been not key, but INDISPENSABLE, pieces of a team that has made the Finals three times in four years, won the title twice, and won 57 games again just last year. The endless maelstrom of bullshitt and emotion that surrounds the Lakers often makes it hard to see their flaws--and their strengths.
Yes, they are both over 30, but they apparently have both been traded today for a guy who is about 6' tall and has knee issues, and the "don't trade big for small" maxim exists for a reason. Paul is great, but he isn't LeBron James or Dwight Howard.
And the reax of the fanbase show it. The people who are giddy are such simply because they believe that this means Howard is coming, too. Those who either don't think that is true, or aren't sure, have issues with it.
If Andrew Bynum had his (Bynum's) same skillset/talent level and Dwight Howard's health record, I would be pretty giddy, too. Even as it is, I think I would have pulled the trigger--this is Chris F'ing Paul we are talking about--but this deal works BETTER if it is in the context of other moves.
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