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Tweets say there is a Fernandez/Brewer trade happening with CHI/DAL.
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Tweets say there is a Fernandez/Brewer trade happening with CHI/DAL.
I would LOVE this.
Stern's media optics are a lot better on the deal if Gordon is in it. I would imagine that the league pressured Olshey and Sterling pretty hard on that point. It is obviously a far better return for NO, but this is also a case where appearance matters.
If Gordon isn't in it, the Lakers should fire a collusion charge against the NBA. Because the only reason there trade was rejected would be because Dan Gilbert's a whiny #####.
I love how Gilbert is complaining about the "Washington Generals" now. He didn't do that much complaining when Lebron was on his team. Hmmm, wonder what changed?
If the Clippers get Paul and keep Gordon, combined with the Lakers' bizarre decision to dump Odom and help out Mark Cuban, Simmons will be way too busy writing his "The Clippers own LA--and I have season tickets!" column to worry about Stern.
The problems for this signing that I see are:
1) Yet another point guard. Seriously, Kahn signs one a year. And overpays all of them.
2) Defensively, this could be the worst backcourt in the NBA
3) 4 years? A bit long for a guy who's very short, depends on quickness, and really seemed to be a product of the system
Gordon is certainly overrated, but - as you note - he's also good.
Simmons will be too busy at Kings games to talk about the Clippers...
McRoberts + Rush = Mayo happened.
I don't know if that's a comment more on Stern's manhandling of the situation or just the nature of how quickly rumors spread. I guess this case is more of the former, but wouldn't be surprised to see it happen more. Of course, it's a little funny how there are sources spreading rumors about sources...
Good. I hope they do.
Heh.
They have to, after what they did with the Lakers deal. It has to be clear to *everyone* that the Hornets got a better deal this time.
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I think all these guys would be better off if they just said they are not going to comment on trade negotiations.
Indeed. Like I said, IMO Stern needs Gordon in the deal for the media optics (and Gordon makes the deal better for basketball reasons as well of course--he's a good player).
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It's going to be really hard to trade Paul anywhere now. Maybe Gilbert can force a deal to Cleveland.
But if this is true, and if the stuff about Paul's signing for two years was true, I think the Clippers should have pulled the trigger. Having Paul + Griffin with the Lakers scrambling, capped out, and in some trouble was/is potentially a big moment for the Clippers. Remember--they have Mo Williams to slide in at the 2. He is a decent scorer and player.
I get that others, like DK, will disagree for analytical reasons, and I respect that. But I think there are times to say "fukc it" and make your move in sports and in life, and I think this may have been one of those times for the Clippers.
Again--if this is true.
[**]from later in the article:
there was also this wonderful video to accompany that section.
still, i'm very optimistic about eurogoon's potential to immediately provide positive contributions to the sixers on both ends of the court.
also, just looking at the other center prospects who were profiled, this video of valanciunas is absolutely hilarious. it's like you can see his eyes light up when he gets out to the top of the key to set a screen, and then you can see his hopes get crushed when he doesn't get the ball.
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As a Clippers fan, I agree. I know there are downsides, but I wouldn't have blinked at trading Gordon for Paul.
As a Bulls fan in the 00's who watched so many valuable assets go from valuable to not valuable to overpaid to gone, I cannot agree more. The Bulls are so absolutely lucky to be in this situation now, with Rose having fallen into their lap. If it were up to the Bulls (and they hadn't lucked into Rose), they without a doubt would have definitely been trying to trade various pieces to get Paul* this past week, but never would have gotten as far as either the Lakers or Clippers have in the process.
*I guess it's still hypothetically possible for the Bulls to go through this solo dance and end up empty with Howard, but I truly believe they won't seriously try to trade for him.
If I'm Paul, I'm filing an unfair labor practice suit.
943- Could he be a Portland Blue Blazer?
If every single move in these potential deals wasn't being leaked to the press, this wouldn't be as much of a problem. I get overruled by my boss all the time, but millions of people don't find out (and, obviously, wouldn't care). But twice being publicly shot down after working for days to put these together... yeah, might be time to step aside.
It's not impossible that what looks like ham-fisted authoritarianism is really clever positioning, but it's way too late (I assume) to do so for this season, so I'm not sure what exactly the game would be. In the meantime, yeah, if I were Demps I would be gone after the second trade got shot down. Unless the league is doing a much better job of communicating with him than they did initially, it would be nearly impossible to work under those conditions.
Barring some huge unforeseen reversal, the trade does not make sense, either for "basketball reasons" or financial ones.
As to the emotional issues, I think it would have been smarter to let it sit a few days--have Odom talk to Fisher and maybe MWP, anyone else he might listen to, get his massive standing O from the Laker faithful on the 25th, and see where it led. Then if they felt they had to move him, try to find some place other than Dallas.
Easy for me to say sitting at my keyboard in my office, but I am not buying any spin on this from the FO based on what I know.
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Injunctions, treble damages to Paul, the Hornets, the Lakers, the Clippers . . . this could get very ugly.
And doesn't anyone else think we could see an informal rule developing among the players: nobody, ever, signs with the Cavs. Take Dan Gilbert and freeze his moronic ass to the ice of Lake Erie.
[Kaman is what I remembered him to be - pretty good and kind of forgotten about.]
-- yes, i'm missing the point with that comment, i know.
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Demps' future: I dunno - I might stick it out.
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Also, this was reported earlier today, but it does not appear to be true, at least not yet. Mayo was at the Grizzlies camp today and both McRoberts' agent and Grizz FO people denied it. Heisley is quoted by the Commericial Appeal saying that they are not actively negotiating on a trade for O.J. Still wouldn't be surprised to see it happen, but at the moment it appears to have been an incorrect report.
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I agree. As I said earlier, I think basically the Clippers would have been trading Gordon + pick for Paul. They just spent 24M on Caron Butler and will spend 43M on DeAndre Jordan, so I don't think losing Aminu and Kaman means that much. Bledsoe is a nice athlete and will have a career, but he looks like a third guard to me. Kaman was leaving anyway, and what better move to use his expiring on than to add one of the top players in the game? I see Aminu and Bledsoe as useful but replaceable.
You add in the context I already described--and the fact that I think bringing in CP3 makes Griffin more excited about being there--I think the Clippers should have given Wile E. Stern, SuperGM, what he wanted.
Arenas and Varejao.
Edit: Ok, that worked. Thanks guys.
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IIRC, NBPA did say if Paul was not moved by today, they would look into legal action.
But, OTOH, they just negotiated a new CBA with the Hornets being owned by the league and the issue barely came up, if at all. If the CBA and league constitution are silent on the issue, I don't see how Paul or the union could plausibly argue that the league can't own the Hornets and if the league can own the Hornets, the league can decide yes/no on trades for the Hornets.(**)
Hunter dropped the ball by not raising the Hornets as an issue in the negotiations for the new CBA. One of the most prominent union members was directly impacted, as were -- it's now clear -- the livelihoods and work environments of at least a dozen other union members. He was never going to get the league to divest, but he could have got a procedure in writing as to how trades and transactions were going to be handled, and an explicit right to arbitrate grievances, with specified and rapid procedures, on Hornet-related matters.
(**) Without conceding that they had any obligation to act "reasonably" under current law/CBA, I don't think it's inherently unreasonable for the Hornets to hang onto a top-5/top-10 player, and not trade him.
one rumor is that indy is dragging their heels for temporary cap space reasons involving a possible pursuit of jamal crawford. no idea offhand if that makes any sense...
Yup. It's set at 3 adds/drops per week.
Condensed camps cause condensed cramps.
I think I've seen that they've now amnestied Posey. I don't see the use for them adding Mayo and Crawford though, but we'll see.
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In response to CP3 back on to the Clips:
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KC Johnson tweeting some good quotes from JVG:
Yeah, but it's not the best interest of the team. This team has #### for talent beyond Paul. If they can't get assets for him, who is going to want to buy the team. Hell, who wants to buy it right now with all this ########### going on? The answer, it appears, is no one.
That's certainly true -- how anyone gets this on to a judge's docket is the key. The fact that Paul has no legal right to be traded is a huge hurdle, and it's a bit hard to see how you translate Stern's conflict of interest into an unfair labor practice. Someone's going to have to be very creative to make that connection. Or . . . one of the teams that has had its trade turned down (Rockets, Lakers, Clippers) would have to be the plaintiff, alleging that the conflict of interest did affect its legal rights, and that team would have to sue the NBA and Stern.
The point is that if someone can convince a court that a legal right of some kind is at stake -- that's the hard part -- the violation of that right seems like the easy part. Because Stern sure has acted in a way that a lot of judges would quickly find appalling.
I wonder how they determine the minimum. Also, first I've seen anything about trading a claimed guy.
Legally, Stern is safe, I think, respecting the fact that Sam is a law professor and knows much, much more than I ever will about that.
Optically, Stern needs Gordon in the deal, and "better offer" is a subjective term in this context.
Current roster, I think, is:
1: Dj - Blake - Butler - Gordon - Billups
2: Kaman - Gomes or 2.5m exception guy - Aminu - Foye - Williams
3: Bledsoe, Cook, Warren
He appears to have tweeted it out in English and Spanish, and then just for good measure what Google Translate says is Catalan. For the record, that is 3 more languages than Tony Allen uses in his twitter feed.
Without question.
Let me try it this way: if I were his lawyer, I would have told him that there is no way in the world he should be involved in this, because he has inherently conflicting obligations in his roles as (a) commissioner of the NBA, a job which carries with it fiduciary obligations to act in the collective interests of the league as a whole and the teams, and (b) de facto "owner" and decision-maker for the Hornets, a position which carries with it fiduciary obligations to act in the best interests of the Hornets and maximize the value of the franchise.
If a reasonable person could question whether the same person can, in this situation, be faithful to both sets of those obligations, then Stern has problems under what I understand to be some basic tenets of corporate law -- though I should add that this is not my area, it has been years since I even took that class in law school, and people with a lot more expertise than me should chime in. But if I'm not mistaken, if the CEO of a corporation is involved in negotiations on behalf of that corporation, and it turns out he has vested interests (and worse yet, he owes actual obligations to parties with an interest on the other side of those negotiations), he is in a ton of trouble.
That is why Stern was so careful in his statement after vetoing the Laker/Rocket deal to say that his action was "independent of the input of other NBA owners" -- or words to that effect. He said that because his lawyers knew that if his actions were NOT independent of the input or interests of those owners, he and the NBA were in a world of hurt. And I have to think there is at least an issue of fact -- it would be massively disputed -- whether Stern was acting in the Hornets' interest, or in the interests of the owners who pay his salary. Especially now that he's gutted TWO deals recommended by the people who actually are entrusted to run the team, and who are NOT subject to Stern's conflict. And who would, under oath, have to testify that they do, indeed, believe these trades were in the best interests of the Hornets.
All that said, I agree that getting someone into court who can actually show they have a true legal right affected by all this is a tough nut to crack. Stern may be safe, but NOT because he didn't do anything wrong. It stinks to high heaven, but it may well be that nobody is able to nail him for it.
Not so much that nobody can, but nobody will. I would think the Lakers (and now Clippers) have some grounds to make a fuss (though I'm not clear what the best way to raise it would be) but no NBA team is likely to do that. Either of Stern, or a Stern protege/proxy, will be running the show for the foreseeable future. I can't see any reasonable owner wanting to poke that bear with a stick.
Of course, I did say reasonable owner, which might leave an opening for Donald Sterling. He is an attorney, seems to have absolutely no interest other than the near-term bottom line, and has enough of a history of craziness that I wouldn't completely give up on the idea. But I'd still bet heavy against it.
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