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Monday, August 13, 2012

NBC4Washington: Royals’ Jeff Francoeur On Stephen Strasburg’s Innings Limit: “Just Shoot Me”

“If you’re the Nationals, and those fans have been grinding away with their support,’’ says Kansas City Royals veteran outfielder Jeff Francoeur, “don’t you want to make the playoffs? Guys like (Ryan) Zimmerman who have been there a long time, how can you say it’s fair?”
“For me, you win as many damn games as you can, whenever you can. If that’s Stephen Strasburg throwing 200 innings, so what? Cole Hamels pitched 262 innings (at 25, in 2008) the year the Phillies won the World Series.

“You’re telling Strasburg that once you get to 180 innings, go ahead and enjoyOctober from the bench? Just shoot me.”

Tripon Posted: August 13, 2012 at 02:43 AM | 34 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. OsunaSakata Posted: August 13, 2012 at 08:11 AM (#4207083)
Just shoot me.


I wouldn't give Royals fans any ideas.
   2. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: August 13, 2012 at 08:35 AM (#4207092)
Francouer has the wisdom of two and a half men.
   3. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: August 13, 2012 at 08:37 AM (#4207093)
Just shoot me.


Spoken by Royals fans every time Jeffy swings at a 55 foot breaking pitch.
   4. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: August 13, 2012 at 08:52 AM (#4207099)
You know, this could get ugly if things go south for the Nats after Strasburg hits his limit and the players start grousing to the press...
   5. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 13, 2012 at 09:01 AM (#4207102)
Who'd have thought? Jeff's just as good at running a team as he is at playing baseball.
   6. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 13, 2012 at 09:03 AM (#4207103)
"So what? Whoop-La White pitched 680 innings in 1879."
   7. flournoy Posted: August 13, 2012 at 09:22 AM (#4207109)
Who'd have thought? Jeff's just as good at running a team as he is at playing baseball.


Which is to say, a whole heck of a lot better than any of us. Right?
   8. Rants Mulliniks Posted: August 13, 2012 at 09:54 AM (#4207124)
Thanks Jeff, for reminding me of Laura San Giacomo's rack.
   9. The Good Face Posted: August 13, 2012 at 10:09 AM (#4207134)
Thanks Jeff, for reminding me of Laura San Giacomo's rack.


Seconded. Might be time for a "Quigley Down Under" re-watch.
   10. donlock Posted: August 13, 2012 at 10:12 AM (#4207136)
#8,#9 Please 'splain the reference.
   11. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 13, 2012 at 10:20 AM (#4207140)
Which is to say, a whole heck of a lot better than any of us. Right?


I remain unconvinced.
   12. The Good Face Posted: August 13, 2012 at 10:28 AM (#4207152)
#8,#9 Please 'splain the reference.


Sure. Here is a picture of Laura San Giacomo.

She was on a late 90s sitcom called "Just Shoot Me". She starred in a 1990 movie called "Quigley Down Under" (with Tom Selleck!) when she was at the peak of her hotness. Jeff Francoeur's "just shoot me" quote reminded #8 of Laura and her giant boobs, which in turn reminded me of that awesome Tom Selleck movie.

   13. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 13, 2012 at 10:31 AM (#4207157)
If championships were so important, why don't they put them on the scoreboard?
   14. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 13, 2012 at 10:40 AM (#4207165)
Thanks Jeff, for reminding me of Laura San Giacomo's rack.

Cause Jeff is such a big boob?
   15. Lassus Posted: August 13, 2012 at 10:46 AM (#4207171)
Good Face's mention of whatever Selleck C-movie over "sex, lies, and videotape" shows a deep lack of credit - and probably taste - where due regarding Ms. San Giacomo's hotness.
   16. The Good Face Posted: August 13, 2012 at 11:03 AM (#4207183)
Good Face's mention of whatever Selleck C-movie over "sex, lies, and videotape" shows a deep lack of credit - and probably taste - where due regarding Ms. San Giacomo's hotness.


What can I say, I have a man-crush on Tom Selleck.
   17. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: August 13, 2012 at 01:43 PM (#4207300)
Cole Hamels pitched 262 innings (at 25, in 2008) the year the Phillies won the World Series.

So how does this work? I'm supposed to believe Jeff Francoeur is walking around with Cole Hamels workload from four years ago, down to the inning, rattling around in his head? That is something I'm not prepared to accept. I mean, surely he said something like "Carl Hamels threw something like 300 innings that year they won it all" and the writer just helped him out. Right? Please?

And the fact that I completely agree with Jeffy on this one, frankly, has me seriously rethinking my position.

Edit: And for those who are, um, fans of Ms. San Giacomo allow me to recommend the failed Liam Neeson vehicle Under Suspicion or her signature performance in the much easier to find Nina Takes A Lover.
   18. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 13, 2012 at 02:06 PM (#4207320)
Ah, redacted.
   19. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: August 13, 2012 at 02:58 PM (#4207356)
Good Face's mention of whatever Selleck C-movie over "sex, lies, and videotape" shows a deep lack of credit - and probably taste - where due regarding Ms. San Giacomo's hotness


Lousy movie. Great San Giacomo work as tarty sister of Andie Mac Dowell.
   20. Lassus Posted: August 13, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4207367)
Lousy movie. Great San Giacomo work as tarty sister of Andie Mac Dowell.

I admit I only saw it once, when it came out or very soon after on video. I really don't remember if I thought it was a good film or not, but I certainly remember certain bits of it.
   21. jyjjy Posted: August 13, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4207368)
I haven't been paying much attention to this issue but seeing as the Nats have had or been flirting with the best record in baseball for the whole season why didn't they just shut him down for a month or two mid-season so he could both pitch in the playoffs and keep below to his inning limit? He is at 133 IP right now. Just shut him down now and give him a month off to protect his arm. That will give him time for 3-4 starts in September to get back into form for the post-season.
   22. with Glavinesque control and Madduxian poise Posted: August 13, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4207377)
I haven't been paying much attention to this issue but seeing as the Nats have had or been flirting with the best record in baseball for the whole season why didn't they just shut him down for a month or two mid-season so he could both pitch in the playoffs and keep below to his inning limit? He is at 133 IP right now. Just shut him down now and give him a month off to protect his arm. That will give him time for 3-4 starts in September to get back into form for the post-season.


According to Rizzo, this would be more dangerous for his arm than just pitching the whole season.
   23. Papa Squid Posted: August 13, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4207385)
I, for one, hope they shut him down. My fantasy baseball team is half a point behind the first place team... who has both Strasbourg AND Sale. Shut them both down, and I waltz to a fantasy title!
   24. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 13, 2012 at 03:55 PM (#4207405)


According to Rizzo, this would be more dangerous for his arm than just pitching the whole season.


What about relief appearances?
   25. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: August 13, 2012 at 04:45 PM (#4207458)
Schilling pretty much ripped the Nats for their approach here (somewhere, the magic number went from 160 to 180, by the way. ). I am on the fence. This approach worked well with Jordan Z. But it's going to be tough to sit here in September or October and lose the deciding game with John or Ross pitching instead of Strasburg. Tough one. Rizzo is doing a good job.
   26. boteman Posted: August 13, 2012 at 04:59 PM (#4207473)
Strasburg swings a pretty decent bat, not even "for a pitcher". He already has a home run and it wasn't a cheapie and not the worst pitch ever thrown for a HR. In 44 PA this season he has 12 hits, 4 doubles, 3 walks, and 11 Ks for a .500 slugging percentage. OPS+ of 137. I know it's only 44 times up there, but it makes me giddy to look at those numbers. If Rizzo and Davey have any sense they'll keep him on the bench for a pinch-hit appearance to avoid burning the bench, although the shutdown will happen after rosters expand in September. Still...
   27. Sunday silence Posted: August 13, 2012 at 05:40 PM (#4207512)
He is at 133 IP right now.


doing some quick math; doesnt this put him in line for just about 180 inn. if we extrapolate? Again, this seems like one of the bigger non stories of the year. If they get to the playoffs I would guess all bets are off.
   28. Walt Davis Posted: August 13, 2012 at 05:58 PM (#4207530)
I'm supposed to believe Jeff Francoeur is walking around with Cole Hamels workload from four years ago, down to the inning, rattling around in his head?

b-r on the smartphone! Although impressively, Jeff thought to add Hamel's 227 regular season IP + 8 + 14 + 13 in the postseason to get to his 262.

   29. Srul Itza Posted: August 13, 2012 at 07:02 PM (#4207576)
Lousy movie. Great San Giacomo work as tarty sister of Andie Mac Dowell.


And don't forget a young James Spader in one of his most uber-creepy roles.
   30. Srul Itza Posted: August 13, 2012 at 07:05 PM (#4207578)
According to Rizzo, this would be more dangerous for his arm than just pitching the whole season.


So what if they just skipped a couple of starts (either in a row or staggered), and pulled him after 5 in the others? Would that leave some slack in the 180, for him to go in the playoffs?

   31. Graham & the 15-win "ARod Vortex of suck" Posted: August 13, 2012 at 07:57 PM (#4207601)
"pulled him after 5"

Heck, pull him after 3 or 4 if you have to limit him.
   32. donlock Posted: August 14, 2012 at 09:55 AM (#4207877)
#12 - Thanks.

Oh, my...
   33. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 14, 2012 at 10:49 AM (#4207915)
So how does this work? I'm supposed to believe Jeff Francoeur is walking around with Cole Hamels workload from four years ago, down to the inning, rattling around in his head? That is something I'm not prepared to accept. I mean, surely he said something like "Carl Hamels threw something like 300 innings that year they won it all" and the writer just helped him out. Right? Please?


I was wondering the same thing.

   34. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 14, 2012 at 10:51 AM (#4207917)
I haven't been paying much attention to this issue but seeing as the Nats have had or been flirting with the best record in baseball for the whole season why didn't they just shut him down for a month or two mid-season so he could both pitch in the playoffs and keep below to his inning limit? He is at 133 IP right now.


Perhaps Rizzo values the regular season more than the postseason, which he knows is a crapshoot.

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