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Thursday, March 01, 2018

Neil Walker sounds bummed about Yankees’ Drury trade | New York Post

Torres looks like a better fit at 2B. Walker hasn’t played much third. Add in his back issue, his poor defense, and his salary and it’s not difficult to figure out when the Yankees preferred to trade for Drury.

Walker wishes intangibles weighed more in the Yankees’ decision.

“Maybe it’s something that’s being lost in translation with teams — how are we valuing guys?” Walker said. “Are we strictly valuing them on numbers, or are we not able to quantify how they’re making an impact, not only on the field but in the clubhouse? I’ve always felt like I’ve been somebody that’s been a leader. I guess in terms of dollars and cents, teams are not seeing that as a value at this point.”

Jim Furtado Posted: March 01, 2018 at 10:18 AM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: free agents, neil walker, yankees

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   1. PreservedFish Posted: March 01, 2018 at 10:23 AM (#5632231)
Who's to say that Brandon Drury isn't a great clubhouse guy?
   2. The Ghost of Logan Schafer Posted: March 01, 2018 at 10:30 AM (#5632232)
The Brewers probably would have given him 2/20 back in November, but I don't blame him for seeking more.
He still might get 2/20, he's a solid player.
   3. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 01, 2018 at 11:03 AM (#5632249)
How does this affect the Muffin Man?
   4. Ziggy's screen name Posted: March 01, 2018 at 11:09 AM (#5632256)
How could something that's intangible have any weight? If it weighed something, wouldn't that make it... you know... tangible?
   5. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 01, 2018 at 11:13 AM (#5632261)
Neil...if you're that great a leader, you'll make your teammates play better, and guess where that'll show up?
   6. Bug Selig Posted: March 01, 2018 at 11:57 AM (#5632304)
Maybe he's confused by the fact that he's better than Drury and Torres put together.
   7. Stormy JE Posted: March 01, 2018 at 11:57 AM (#5632305)
Walker doesn't know the Thumbs Down thing is so 2017.
   8. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: March 01, 2018 at 12:15 PM (#5632324)
Maybe he's confused by the fact that he's better than Drury and Torres put together.


I think you're the one who's confused. Walker and Drury had pretty similar seasons in 2017, and you'd take the one who is 7 years older and costs 10-20 times as much? And throw in a top 5 prospect?
   9. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 01, 2018 at 12:15 PM (#5632326)
That article might have mentioned the $16 M difference in their last contracts, which might have had something to do with the Yankees' decision.

EDIT: A 6 oz coke to cercopithecus.
   10. Rennie's Tenet Posted: March 01, 2018 at 12:35 PM (#5632349)
Walker can sell a few tickets in Pittsburgh, and around New Year's it seemed inevitable they'd bring him back. They've managed to get a plausible major leaguer at each position now, though, so it doesnt seem a good fit unless someone gets traded or goes down this month.
   11. dejarouehg Posted: March 01, 2018 at 01:12 PM (#5632375)
On the relative indignance scales, Walker making $16M last year is significantly more outrageous than the fact that he is currently unsigned and just further evidence that the owners have been suckers for an awfully long time. (Then again, I think Trout is underpaid.)

I like Walker and would be happy to see him back with the Mets. Obviously, having no idea what he's asking, I think anywhere near 8 figures is preposterously stupid. A 1 or 2 year at $7M annual seems more rational.
   12. Rally Posted: March 01, 2018 at 01:43 PM (#5632401)
I thought he was a good candidate for the Angels, but that was before they signed Cozart and traded for Kinsler.
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 01, 2018 at 01:46 PM (#5632405)
I like Walker and would be happy to see him back with the Mets.

He doesn't really make sense anymore. With the Frazier signing, they've got two cromulent 2B. Is Walker really any better than Flores or Cabrera?

Edit: per Zips they project to 108, 103, and 101 wRC+ respectively. I don't think that upgrade is worth $7M.
   14. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 01, 2018 at 01:58 PM (#5632420)
Meanwhile, back in the real world of the 2018 Yankees......

Miguel Andujar today: 2 pitches, 2 long home runs. He's now 6 for 12 for the Spring, with 4 dingers.
   15. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 01, 2018 at 02:08 PM (#5632435)
Miguel Andujar today: 2 pitches, 2 long home runs. He's now 6 for 12 for the Spring, with 4 dingers.

Any off major league pitchers? Or still minor leaguers?
   16. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 01, 2018 at 02:34 PM (#5632460)
Miguel Andujar today: 2 pitches, 2 long home runs. He's now 6 for 12 for the Spring, with 4 dingers.

Any off major league pitchers? Or still minor leaguers?


They're Phillies, so who can tell the difference? But they were all technically Major Leaguers in 2017.

And just to make things interesting, Drury's added a homer of his own, also off a nominal Major Leaguer.
   17. Hotel Coral Esix Snead (tmutchell) Posted: March 01, 2018 at 02:35 PM (#5632463)
Any off major league pitchers? Or still minor leaguers?


Nick Pivetta (6.02 ERA in 133 IP last year with the Phils.)
Pedro Beato (4.31 career ERA, though he hasn't pitched more than a handful of MLB innings since 2012)
Justin Shafer (4.34 Minor league ERA, including exactly 4 innings above AA)

I'll start getting excited if he hits a few off some established major leaguers later in the spring, when all the rust is off...
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 01, 2018 at 02:40 PM (#5632466)
Nick Pivetta (6.02 ERA in 133 IP last year with the Phils.)

Pivetta's an interesting guy. Nasty ERA, but pretty decent peripherals last year. 4.87 FIP, 4.26 xFIP. Had a high BABIP and a crazy high HR/FB ratio. Throws around 95.
   19. Bug Selig Posted: March 01, 2018 at 02:49 PM (#5632471)
Walker and Drury had pretty similar seasons in 2017
In the sense that they were both professional baseball players, yes. Otherwise, please look again.
And throw in a top 5 prospect
Nobody's throwing in anything. Neil Walker, in 2018, is more likely to help your baseball team than Gleyber Torres is. You're acting as if I said "more valuable" like I'm trying to get you to make a Strat trade. Independent of prospect status and money (Walker's last contract being completely irrelevant to his next contract) being good at baseball still exists.
   20. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 01, 2018 at 03:08 PM (#5632481)
Neil Walker, in 2018, is more likely to help your baseball team than Gleyber Torres is.

Not actually. Zips projects Walker at 1.8 WAR in 483 PA, Torres at 1.5 WAR in 426. Per 600 PAs that 2.25 WAR vs. 2.1 WAR.
   21. Baseballs Most Beloved Figure Posted: March 01, 2018 at 03:11 PM (#5632482)
First rule of free agency salesmanship - If you don't have the numbers, talk clubhouse chemistry.
   22. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 01, 2018 at 03:11 PM (#5632484)
Pivetta's an interesting guy. Nasty ERA, but pretty decent peripherals last year. 4.87 FIP, 4.26 xFIP. Had a high BABIP and a crazy high HR/FB ratio. Throws around 95.

Yeah, and just going off what I saw today, he's got nasty stuff but no control.

Both of Andujar's home runs were crushed. This may be the March in me speaking, but he's got the look and feel of a real Major Leaguer, and nothing I've seen of his numbers at any level has so far persuaded me otherwise. He might even be better than this Neil Walker guy.
   23. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 01, 2018 at 03:17 PM (#5632489)
Oh, and add two more solo homers, by Tyler Austin and Billy McKinney, plus a long triple by their #3 rated prospect Estevan Florial.

Why can't the Yanks play the Phillies every day?
   24. Man o' Schwar Posted: March 01, 2018 at 03:19 PM (#5632491)
I think the real question is whether Judge, Stanton, and Andujar will go 50-50-50 this year in HRs. All signs this spring point to yes, provided that Judge and Stanton step up their games.
   25. Walt Davis Posted: March 01, 2018 at 03:23 PM (#5632497)
Neil Walker making $17.2 M last year isn't a sign of anything except the QO system. If the Mets were dumb it was in thinking Walker would expect to get a better multi-year deal on the market and decline the QO. Walker may have liked it in NY but presumably the main factor in his decision was a belief that, especially with a pick attached, a more attractive multi-year offer probably wasn't out there for him. As such he really shouldn't be so surprised there's not one out there for him this year.
   26. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 01, 2018 at 03:29 PM (#5632503)
Walker can sell a few tickets in Pittsburgh, and around New Year's it seemed inevitable they'd bring him back.


I don't think Walker would sign with the Pirates if he had any other options, since he's still upset at them for not wanting to give him a big fat extension, and the Pirates probably aren't all that keen on having him back either, given his medical issues (and unreliability related to such).

Neil Walker, in 2018, is more likely to help your baseball team than Gleyber Torres is.


We're going to have to agree to disagree on that.
   27. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: March 01, 2018 at 09:46 PM (#5632728)
Miguel Andujar today: 2 pitches, 2 long home runs.


Just watched the replays, damned if he didn't drive them both well out without squaring either pitch up.
   28. Walt Davis Posted: March 01, 2018 at 10:05 PM (#5632733)
I'd probably bet on Torres for 2018 too but it's mostly irrelevant (I know you didn't start it Vlad). The question is whether Walker can help a ML team in 2018 and the most likely answer to that is yes, to the tune of 1-2 WAR. He was still a 2.1 oWAR player last year and maybe he's lost the defensive step for good but it's also 7.1 oWAR over the last 3 years. ZiPS projects to a 108 wRC+, 114 OPS+ and 2.2 zWAR in under 500 PA -- that's a guy who seems to have plenty of baseball left in him. The only Brewers position players projected to be better (pre-trades) and just barely are Shaw (2.7) and Santana (2.3) and it's not clear Santana has a job anymore. I assume there 2B is going to be Villar, projected to just 1.0 zWAR. If that ZiPS table loaded correctly, he's projected to be about the 20th best 2B in baseball, nothing to get worked up over but a solid player.

Again, no idea what Walker is looking for money-wise. If he's holding out for 2/$25 or something then, sure, easy to see why teams wouldn't be jumping at that. If he's looking for Todd Frazier money then there are some teams that should probably say yes. If he's looking for one year of Todd Frazier money, it might well be at least half of the teams that should say yes, even if it's just as half-time 2B and backup 3B/1B/DH for 400-500 PA.
   29. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 02, 2018 at 09:27 AM (#5632848)
Again, no idea what Walker is looking for money-wise. If he's holding out for 2/$25 or something then, sure, easy to see why teams wouldn't be jumping at that.


Near the start of the offseason, I read somewhere that he was looking for a four-year deal, which if true would explain why he's still unemployed.
   30. Walt Davis Posted: March 02, 2018 at 04:56 PM (#5633219)
It would explain why he's unemployed if he insisted on a 4-year deal (as opposed to "looking for") and continued to insist on one with no offers coming in. He is reported to have turned down a 3-year deal from the Mets pre-2017 (no $ mentioned) ... which sounds a bit silly since he felt it wise to accept the QO to start with so I'm perfectly willing to believe it's Walker who made the mistake here. If he turned down, say, a 2/$25 offer early, he made a mistake. If, as the market continued to not develop, he stuck to his guns and didn't adjust, then he made a mistake (possibly a mistake in not adapting to the collusion environment but still better to have 1/$8 and hope the MLBPA can win you some compensation than to be unsigned and hope the MLBPA can win you some compensation.)
   31. Bug Selig Posted: March 02, 2018 at 06:22 PM (#5633242)
Per 600 PAs that 2.25 WAR vs. 2.1 WAR.
A. Those playing time projections aren't random.
B. 2-digits past the decimal on WAR, really?
   32. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 02, 2018 at 07:56 PM (#5633262)
A. Those playing time projections aren't random.
B. 2-digits past the decimal on WAR, really?


A. Szymborski specifically states he doesn't project PT. It's purely based on history. The Yankees control the PT.
B. I didn't want to be viewed as tilting it towards Torres by saying 2.2 vs. 2.1, or 2 vs 2, which is what rounding would do.

They project to be essentially identical, and Torres costs millions less, and his development by playing in MLB adds extra value in future years.

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