Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Tuesday, July 01, 2014

New Hearing for Barry Bonds

I thought this was dead and buried but the full 9th Circuit has decided to hear the case again.

BBTF lawyers—report for duty.

Walt Davis Posted: July 01, 2014 at 09:24 PM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: barry bonds, truth, justice and the american way

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. Mark S. is bored Posted: July 02, 2014 at 12:13 PM (#4741900)
Bonds already has served his sentence of 30 days' house arrest and paid a $4,100 fine. He also was sentenced to two years of probation and 250 hours of community service in youth-related activities.


If he wins, does he get his $4,100 back?
   2. dlf Posted: July 02, 2014 at 12:19 PM (#4741904)
yes ... and he can't go home for 30 days.
   3. Batman Posted: July 02, 2014 at 12:19 PM (#4741905)
If he wins, does he get his $4,100 back?
No, but Sid Bream is out.
   4. Mark S. is bored Posted: July 02, 2014 at 12:26 PM (#4741911)
yes ... and he can't go home for 30 days.


And he will have youth service him for 250 hours.
   5. Ron J2 Posted: July 02, 2014 at 12:31 PM (#4741916)
Too bad we don't have primeys any more. #2 made me laugh out loud.
   6. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 02, 2014 at 01:22 PM (#4741964)
. . . but the full 9th Circuit has decided to hear the case again.

That's not quite correct. In every other federal circuit, en banc review includes all the active judges of the circuit, but the 9th Circuit is so large (29 judges) that it has determined that to be too unwieldy, so it uses a special of panel of 11 judges (always including the Chief Judge) for en banc review. The 9th Circuit is far larger than any of the other circuits were when they were split into two circuits (e,g, 11th Circuit carved out of the old 5th Circuit), so from a judicial administration perspective, either every other circuit is the wrong size, or the 9th Circuit is too big. That so much of the size disparity is due to one state, California, has complicated efforts to address the issue, as has the partisan motivations arising from the 9th Circuit being somewhat ideologically out of step for the last couple of decades.
   7. Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: July 02, 2014 at 01:31 PM (#4741973)
And he will have youth service him for 250 hours.
Your ideas are intriguing to Chad Curtis and he would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
   8. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 02, 2014 at 01:41 PM (#4741979)
And don't worry, that newsletter is shipped to you in a plain brown wrapper with the words "NOT PENIS CREAM" stamped all over it in big red letters.
   9. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: July 02, 2014 at 03:50 PM (#4742098)
While clerking I was specifically told, by a federal magistrate judge and a federal district court judge (in the same district, far away from the 9th cir.) to never bring to them, cases from the 9th circuit when preparing bench memos, or other research. These weren't exactly the most right wing judges either.
   10. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: July 02, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4742104)
That's not quite correct. In every other federal circuit, en banc review includes all the active judges of the circuit, but the 9th Circuit is so large (29 judges) that it has determined that to be too unwieldy, so it uses a special of panel of 11 judges (always including the Chief Judge) for en banc review.
Yep. And, as the article notes, the judges on the circuit vote on whether to rehear a case en banc (once there's a petition to rehear it). So this indicates that a significant number of them think that the original panel got the case wrong. I worked for one of the Ninth Circuit judges in law school, and seeing the emails sent around prior to en banc votes was always pretty entertaining. Most judges have pretty high opinions of themselves and they really don't like a bunch of their equally arrogant colleagues telling them that they got it wrong. Also, when I was there they all used Lotus Notes, which was hilarious in itself and infuriated Kozinski.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: July 02, 2014 at 06:07 PM (#4742237)
250 hours of community service in youth-related activities.

Lecturing them on the dangers of wandering off-topic I hope.

And apologies, I didn't realize I needed a scorecard to track the 9th circuit.

My memory of the original ruling is that it basically said that what Bonds did was pretty immaterial (he answered the question directly later) but that the obstruction statute was written so broadly that obstructing justice for a minute still counted.
   12. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: July 02, 2014 at 09:53 PM (#4742366)
So the whole court (29 judges) votes on the en banc petition -- is the 11-judge panel then random apart from the chief (or 7 randoms plus chief plus original panel)? If so, that's pretty wacky. You could end up with mostly judges who voted against rehearing the case.
   13. Cooper Nielson Posted: July 02, 2014 at 10:05 PM (#4742376)
Too bad we don't have primeys any more. #2 made me laugh out loud.

Me too. But I had to read it twice.
   14. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: July 02, 2014 at 10:22 PM (#4742380)
So the whole court (29 judges) votes on the en banc petition -- is the 11-judge panel then random apart from the chief (or 7 randoms plus chief plus original panel)? If so, that's pretty wacky. You could end up with mostly judges who voted against rehearing the case.
The other 10 judges are drawn by lot, so yeah the composition of the panel can have a dramatic effect on the result.
   15. Ziggy Posted: July 02, 2014 at 10:56 PM (#4742401)
The line about Sid Bream was good too. Good work everyone.
   16. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 04, 2014 at 04:48 PM (#4743457)
Has Kevin's head exploded?

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
greenback calls it soccer
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogPrimer Dugout (and link of the day) 7-31-2014
(18 - 5:41pm, Jul 31)
Last: Sweatpants

NewsblogTigers To Acquire David Price
(43 - 5:40pm, Jul 31)
Last: Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play

NewsblogJim Bowden Caught Stealing From Fake Twitter Account, Deletes Everything
(14 - 5:38pm, Jul 31)
Last: Rennie's Tenet

NewsblogOTP - July 2014: Republicans Lose To Democrats For Sixth Straight Year In Congressional Baseball Game
(3936 - 5:36pm, Jul 31)
Last: The Id of SugarBear Blanks

NewsblogAthletics, Twins Swap Tommy Milone, Sam Fuld
(19 - 5:29pm, Jul 31)
Last: andrewberg

NewsblogJULY 31 2014 OMNICHATTER/TRADE DEADLINE CHATTER
(321 - 5:29pm, Jul 31)
Last: clowns to the left of me; STEAGLES to the right

NewsblogHardball Talk: Calcaterra: Nationals-Orioles TV Money Dispute about to Explode
(20 - 5:23pm, Jul 31)
Last: DKDC

NewsblogOT: The Soccer Thread July, 2014
(547 - 5:18pm, Jul 31)
Last: Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play

NewsblogWhy the Mets Are Right to Save the New York State Pavilion
(13 - 5:06pm, Jul 31)
Last: The Yankee Clapper

NewsblogOT: Monthly NBA Thread- July 2014
(1050 - 4:47pm, Jul 31)
Last: clowns to the left of me; STEAGLES to the right

NewsblogGeorge "The Animal" Steele Mangles A Baseball
(152 - 4:09pm, Jul 31)
Last: Gonfalon Bubble

NewsblogCardinals Acquire John Lackey
(87 - 4:05pm, Jul 31)
Last: esseff

NewsblogCameron: Why a July 31 trade deadline just doesn’t make sense anymore
(18 - 4:05pm, Jul 31)
Last: Barry`s_Lazy_Boy

NewsblogA's Acquire Lester, Gomes For Cespedes
(124 - 3:58pm, Jul 31)
Last: The Chronicles of Reddick

NewsblogRed Sox trade rumors: 'Very good chance' John Lackey and Jon Lester are traded - Over the Monster
(90 - 3:36pm, Jul 31)
Last: Infinite Joost (Voxter)

Page rendered in 0.2289 seconds
53 querie(s) executed