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Tuesday, November 05, 2013

New human knee ligament discovered by Belgian doctors

“research shows that the ligament, which was given the name anterolateral ligament (ALL), is present in 97 per cent of all human knees. Subsequent research shows that pivot shift, the giving way of the knee in patients with an ACL tear, is caused by an injury in the ALL ligament.”

DL from MN Posted: November 05, 2013 at 02:26 PM | 34 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: November 05, 2013 at 04:18 PM (#4594386)
Who will be the first player to be diagnosed with an ALL tear?
   2. jacjacatk Posted: November 05, 2013 at 04:18 PM (#4594388)
Can someone give me the idiot's guide to how we can just now be checking for the existence of this ligament that was apparently postulated to exist in 1879? Especially in light of the advances in athletic surgeries in the last 40-odd years.
   3. salvomania Posted: November 05, 2013 at 04:26 PM (#4594408)
It's not much different than the discovery of the thumb---which was previously thought to be a part of the fist---in the late 19th century.
   4. tfbg9 Posted: November 05, 2013 at 04:38 PM (#4594427)
Good one.
   5. Nasty Nate Posted: November 05, 2013 at 04:48 PM (#4594446)
Who will be the first player to be diagnosed with an ALL tear?


I think Mark Prior was diagnosed with all tears...
   6. AROM Posted: November 05, 2013 at 04:49 PM (#4594447)
Who will be the first player to be diagnosed with an ALL tear?


Greg Oden. He's actually torn 3 other ligaments yet to be identified.
   7. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: November 05, 2013 at 05:03 PM (#4594463)
Here is an image of the knee ligament stress that was studied by the Belgian doctors.
   8. zonk Posted: November 05, 2013 at 05:14 PM (#4594478)


I think Mark Prior was diagnosed with all tears...


If you discover it, I will tear it.
   9. dr. scott Posted: November 05, 2013 at 07:06 PM (#4594603)
At first i thought that the belgians had just finally found something everyone else already knew about...

but yea, I echo number 2, WTF?
   10. Jason Michael(s) Bourn Identity Crisis Posted: November 05, 2013 at 07:14 PM (#4594609)
Dr Claes and Professor Bellemans are currently working on a surgical technique to correct ALL injuries.

And what will they call this magical technique? Go!
   11. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: November 05, 2013 at 07:36 PM (#4594625)
What are the chances that R.A. Dickey is missing this A.L.L. too?
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 05, 2013 at 07:37 PM (#4594626)
If you discover it, I will tear it.


Upon being informed of the discovery, Nick Johnson immediately felt a "pop" in his right knee...

   13. Publius Publicola Posted: November 05, 2013 at 08:13 PM (#4594646)
At least they didn't waffle about this discovery.
   14. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 05, 2013 at 08:27 PM (#4594651)
At first i thought that the belgians had just finally found something everyone else already knew about...


I thought they had just stumbled across something in an alley in Liege... "Hey, Johan, what is this thing under this pile of french fries and mayonniase? It looks almost like a human ligament!"
   15. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: November 05, 2013 at 08:44 PM (#4594659)
Add me to the list of those to whom this makes no sense. How was this undiscovered until now? "Zis muscle--eet has a ligament inside eet! Eureka! Anuzzer Trappist ale, pleez."

The real question I have after looking at the article, though, is this: What in hell is Gerdy's tubercle?
   16. Willie Mayspedes Posted: November 05, 2013 at 09:31 PM (#4594677)
What are the chances that R.A. Dickey is missing this A.L.L. too?


3%
   17. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: November 05, 2013 at 10:13 PM (#4594704)
Nice, Willie.
   18. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: November 05, 2013 at 10:17 PM (#4594706)
Can someone give me the idiot's guide to how we can just now be checking for the existence of this ligament that was apparently postulated to exist in 1879? Especially in light of the advances in athletic surgeries in the last 40-odd years.


Next time I sit around for long periods of time doing nothing, I'll actually be searching for something that was postulated 134 years ago.

Tough job, but someone's got to do it.
   19. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: November 05, 2013 at 10:21 PM (#4594709)
Can we trade one hundred of the lawyers who post here for one orthopedic surgeon so we can get a proper explanation?
   20. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: November 05, 2013 at 10:24 PM (#4594713)
Can we trade one hundred of the lawyers who post here for one orthopedic surgeon of just about anyfuckingthing under the sun?


Better.
   21. Morty Causa Posted: November 05, 2013 at 10:28 PM (#4594716)
19:

Do you think a doctor is crazy enough to issue an opinion in place full of lawyers? It is to laugh.

Besides, doctors--what do they know? Lionel "I Can't Believe It's a Law Firm " Hutz,
   22. McCoy Posted: November 05, 2013 at 10:33 PM (#4594719)
Next time I sit around for long periods of time doing nothing, I'll actually be searching for something that was postulated 134 years ago.

Tough job, but someone's got to do it.




A Cubs World Series win?
   23. Tim D Posted: November 05, 2013 at 10:41 PM (#4594723)
Can it be transplanted to an elbow?
   24. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: November 05, 2013 at 10:41 PM (#4594724)
Too Much bold</b>face around here.
   25. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: November 05, 2013 at 11:41 PM (#4594748)
What in hell is Gerdy's tubercle


It's either an awesome pub on the northside of Belfast or something you get from a Serbian hooker.
   26. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: November 05, 2013 at 11:59 PM (#4594753)
Thanks, Monty. *sigh* Second time I've done something like that in the last week.

I am stupid, & I should be shot.
   27. Rants Mulliniks Posted: November 06, 2013 at 09:53 AM (#4594830)
I'm sure DaVinci knew about this.

   28. a bebop a rebop Posted: November 06, 2013 at 01:19 PM (#4595001)
Still wondering about this! I just don't have the capability to judge whether the article is real.
   29. DL from MN Posted: November 06, 2013 at 01:38 PM (#4595019)
The Journal of Anatomy is a real medical journal.
   30. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: November 06, 2013 at 01:39 PM (#4595021)
Still wondering about this! I just don't have the capability to judge whether the article is real.

Science Daily is the go-to place for basic science reporting. It's generally solid and focused on straight reporting of new studies. It rarely goes on the flights of fancy you'll find in something like New Scientist. The work was reported in the Journal of Anatomy, a mainstream anatomy journal put out by a major publisher. The University of Leuven is one of the top 5 or 10 universities in continental (i.e., non-UK) Europe.

The findings might turn out to be incorrect, but there aren't any of the obvious red flags that usually accompany kooks and frauds.
   31. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: November 06, 2013 at 01:47 PM (#4595027)
there aren't any of the obvious red flags that usually accompany kooks and frauds.


The lack of a single reference to "red diaper doper babies" is a very good sign.
   32. tfbg9 Posted: November 06, 2013 at 01:55 PM (#4595034)
I am stupid, & I should be shot.


Nah. Made to listen to Van Halen records for a whole day? Fits the crime.
   33. just plain joe Posted: November 06, 2013 at 02:25 PM (#4595048)
Nah. Made to listen to Van Halen records for a whole day? Fits the crime.


If I had to listen to Van Halen for that long I would shoot myself.
   34. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: November 06, 2013 at 02:28 PM (#4595050)
Nah. Made to listen to Van Halen records for a whole day? Fits the crime.


What #29 just said. Also, if I get a vote, I'd prefer being shot.

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