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Tuesday, November 05, 2013

New human knee ligament discovered by Belgian doctors

“research shows that the ligament, which was given the name anterolateral ligament (ALL), is present in 97 per cent of all human knees. Subsequent research shows that pivot shift, the giving way of the knee in patients with an ACL tear, is caused by an injury in the ALL ligament.”

DL from MN Posted: November 05, 2013 at 01:26 PM | 34 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: November 05, 2013 at 03:18 PM (#4594386)
Who will be the first player to be diagnosed with an ALL tear?
   2. jacjacatk Posted: November 05, 2013 at 03:18 PM (#4594388)
Can someone give me the idiot's guide to how we can just now be checking for the existence of this ligament that was apparently postulated to exist in 1879? Especially in light of the advances in athletic surgeries in the last 40-odd years.
   3. salvomania Posted: November 05, 2013 at 03:26 PM (#4594408)
It's not much different than the discovery of the thumb---which was previously thought to be a part of the fist---in the late 19th century.
   4. tfbg9 Posted: November 05, 2013 at 03:38 PM (#4594427)
Good one.
   5. Nasty Nate Posted: November 05, 2013 at 03:48 PM (#4594446)
Who will be the first player to be diagnosed with an ALL tear?


I think Mark Prior was diagnosed with all tears...
   6. AROM Posted: November 05, 2013 at 03:49 PM (#4594447)
Who will be the first player to be diagnosed with an ALL tear?


Greg Oden. He's actually torn 3 other ligaments yet to be identified.
   7. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: November 05, 2013 at 04:03 PM (#4594463)
Here is an image of the knee ligament stress that was studied by the Belgian doctors.
   8. zonk Posted: November 05, 2013 at 04:14 PM (#4594478)


I think Mark Prior was diagnosed with all tears...


If you discover it, I will tear it.
   9. dr. scott Posted: November 05, 2013 at 06:06 PM (#4594603)
At first i thought that the belgians had just finally found something everyone else already knew about...

but yea, I echo number 2, WTF?
   10. Jason Michael(s) Bourn Identity Crisis Posted: November 05, 2013 at 06:14 PM (#4594609)
Dr Claes and Professor Bellemans are currently working on a surgical technique to correct ALL injuries.

And what will they call this magical technique? Go!
   11. Bote Man makes baseball fun again Posted: November 05, 2013 at 06:36 PM (#4594625)
What are the chances that R.A. Dickey is missing this A.L.L. too?
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 05, 2013 at 06:37 PM (#4594626)
If you discover it, I will tear it.


Upon being informed of the discovery, Nick Johnson immediately felt a "pop" in his right knee...

   13. Publius Publicola Posted: November 05, 2013 at 07:13 PM (#4594646)
At least they didn't waffle about this discovery.
   14. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 05, 2013 at 07:27 PM (#4594651)
At first i thought that the belgians had just finally found something everyone else already knew about...


I thought they had just stumbled across something in an alley in Liege... "Hey, Johan, what is this thing under this pile of french fries and mayonniase? It looks almost like a human ligament!"
   15. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili (TeddyF.Ballgame) Posted: November 05, 2013 at 07:44 PM (#4594659)
Add me to the list of those to whom this makes no sense. How was this undiscovered until now? "Zis muscle--eet has a ligament inside eet! Eureka! Anuzzer Trappist ale, pleez."

The real question I have after looking at the article, though, is this: What in hell is Gerdy's tubercle?
   16. Khrushin it bro Posted: November 05, 2013 at 08:31 PM (#4594677)
What are the chances that R.A. Dickey is missing this A.L.L. too?


3%
   17. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: November 05, 2013 at 09:13 PM (#4594704)
Nice, Willie.
   18. gef, more dangerous than a monkey w/ a razor blade Posted: November 05, 2013 at 09:17 PM (#4594706)
Can someone give me the idiot's guide to how we can just now be checking for the existence of this ligament that was apparently postulated to exist in 1879? Especially in light of the advances in athletic surgeries in the last 40-odd years.


Next time I sit around for long periods of time doing nothing, I'll actually be searching for something that was postulated 134 years ago.

Tough job, but someone's got to do it.
   19. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili (TeddyF.Ballgame) Posted: November 05, 2013 at 09:21 PM (#4594709)
Can we trade one hundred of the lawyers who post here for one orthopedic surgeon so we can get a proper explanation?
   20. gef, more dangerous than a monkey w/ a razor blade Posted: November 05, 2013 at 09:24 PM (#4594713)
Can we trade one hundred of the lawyers who post here for one orthopedic surgeon of just about anyfuckingthing under the sun?


Better.
   21. Morty Causa Posted: November 05, 2013 at 09:28 PM (#4594716)
19:

Do you think a doctor is crazy enough to issue an opinion in place full of lawyers? It is to laugh.

Besides, doctors--what do they know? Lionel "I Can't Believe It's a Law Firm " Hutz,
   22. McCoy Posted: November 05, 2013 at 09:33 PM (#4594719)
Next time I sit around for long periods of time doing nothing, I'll actually be searching for something that was postulated 134 years ago.

Tough job, but someone's got to do it.




A Cubs World Series win?
   23. Tim D Posted: November 05, 2013 at 09:41 PM (#4594723)
Can it be transplanted to an elbow?
   24. Monty Posted: November 05, 2013 at 09:41 PM (#4594724)
Too Much bold</b>face around here.
   25. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: November 05, 2013 at 10:41 PM (#4594748)
What in hell is Gerdy's tubercle


It's either an awesome pub on the northside of Belfast or something you get from a Serbian hooker.
   26. gef, more dangerous than a monkey w/ a razor blade Posted: November 05, 2013 at 10:59 PM (#4594753)
Thanks, Monty. *sigh* Second time I've done something like that in the last week.

I am stupid, & I should be shot.
   27. Rants Mulliniks Posted: November 06, 2013 at 08:53 AM (#4594830)
I'm sure DaVinci knew about this.

   28. a bebop a rebop Posted: November 06, 2013 at 12:19 PM (#4595001)
Still wondering about this! I just don't have the capability to judge whether the article is real.
   29. DL from MN Posted: November 06, 2013 at 12:38 PM (#4595019)
The Journal of Anatomy is a real medical journal.
   30. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: November 06, 2013 at 12:39 PM (#4595021)
Still wondering about this! I just don't have the capability to judge whether the article is real.

Science Daily is the go-to place for basic science reporting. It's generally solid and focused on straight reporting of new studies. It rarely goes on the flights of fancy you'll find in something like New Scientist. The work was reported in the Journal of Anatomy, a mainstream anatomy journal put out by a major publisher. The University of Leuven is one of the top 5 or 10 universities in continental (i.e., non-UK) Europe.

The findings might turn out to be incorrect, but there aren't any of the obvious red flags that usually accompany kooks and frauds.
   31. gef, more dangerous than a monkey w/ a razor blade Posted: November 06, 2013 at 12:47 PM (#4595027)
there aren't any of the obvious red flags that usually accompany kooks and frauds.


The lack of a single reference to "red diaper doper babies" is a very good sign.
   32. tfbg9 Posted: November 06, 2013 at 12:55 PM (#4595034)
I am stupid, & I should be shot.


Nah. Made to listen to Van Halen records for a whole day? Fits the crime.
   33. just plain joe Posted: November 06, 2013 at 01:25 PM (#4595048)
Nah. Made to listen to Van Halen records for a whole day? Fits the crime.


If I had to listen to Van Halen for that long I would shoot myself.
   34. gef, more dangerous than a monkey w/ a razor blade Posted: November 06, 2013 at 01:28 PM (#4595050)
Nah. Made to listen to Van Halen records for a whole day? Fits the crime.


What #29 just said. Also, if I get a vote, I'd prefer being shot.

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