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Monday, June 29, 2009

New stadium gives Hrbek ‘chills on my spine’

to say nothing of the icicles dangling off his coccyx bone!

But Hrbek won’t be sad to see the Twins say goodbye to the dome after this season. He didn’t attempt to contain his enthusiasm on Sunday when asked about Target Field, the cozy new outdoor park in downtown Minneapolis that the Twins will settle into next spring.

“I went to see it about a month ago,” Hrbek said. “When I stepped on the field I got chills on my spine. It almost made me want to get the (uniform) off the wall and play again.”

...“It will be fun to have outdoor baseball here again,” said Hrbek, who played for the Twins in their final months at Metropolitan Stadium in Bloomington in 1981. “(Target Field) is more than a baseball stadium. It’s a great venue. There is so much to see, it’s a place where people might not even realize there’s a baseball game going on.

“It’s great for a generation of kids who have never seen an outdoor baseball game.”

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   1. Craig Calcaterra Posted: June 29, 2009 at 02:02 PM (#3236494)
Call me crazy, but I think that the definition of a good ballpark is one in which baseball, rather than people watching or generalized farting around, is the purpose of being there. If people can go to Target Field and "not realize that a ballgame is going on," the people who have designed Target Field have failed and failed miserably.
   2. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: June 29, 2009 at 02:04 PM (#3236496)
New stadium gives Hrbek ‘chills on my spine’
And pretty much everywhere else early and late in the season.
   3. The District Attorney Posted: June 29, 2009 at 02:08 PM (#3236500)
C'mon, Kent, you're not fooling anyone... we know what's really responsible for the chills on your spine.

If there were two places to buy ice cream at the 'Dome, there are 19 at the new place.
   4. Justin T steals bases with his bat Posted: June 29, 2009 at 02:23 PM (#3236511)
I'm sure that if you want to be watching a baseball game you will be able to figure out where it is.
   5. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: June 29, 2009 at 02:42 PM (#3236526)
It almost made me want to get the (uniform) off the wall and play again.

I wonder what "(uniform)" replaced. I'd like to think Hrbek calls it the "Gant-lifter."
   6. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 29, 2009 at 02:42 PM (#3236530)
Ron Gant was safe.
   7. Dan Szymborski Posted: June 29, 2009 at 02:45 PM (#3236533)
“It’s great for a generation of kids who have never seen an outdoor baseball game.”

And it only cost the taxpayers $400 million to remedy the situation!
   8. DL from MN Posted: June 29, 2009 at 02:48 PM (#3236538)
> And it only cost the taxpayers $400 million

To be fair a large portion of the taxpayers don't live here since the tax is in Hennepin County (which means the Mall of America and Minneapolis). If you live anywhere but downtown it's pretty easy to avoid the tax. If you live downtown you're probably directly benefitting. If you're dumb enough to shop at MOA you deserve to be taxed extra.
   9. TerpNats Posted: June 29, 2009 at 03:00 PM (#3236550)
If you're dumb enough to shop at MOA you deserve to be taxed extra.
Sort of a pleasant irony that the site of the Twins' former outdoor stadium is playing a major role in funding the new one.
   10. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: June 29, 2009 at 03:06 PM (#3236562)
They could have killed every bird in Minnesota with one stone if they'd just put a retractable dome over Metropolitan Stadium and kept it open from Memorial Day to Labor Day, and any random warm days before and after.
   11. flournoy Posted: June 29, 2009 at 03:33 PM (#3236583)
I hate Kent Hrbek.
   12. DL from MN Posted: June 29, 2009 at 03:43 PM (#3236587)
I hate Kent Hrbek


I suppose this means Kent Hrbek Outdoors isn't too popular in Georgia.
   13. WillYoung Posted: June 29, 2009 at 04:15 PM (#3236617)
They could have killed every bird in Minnesota with one stone if they'd just put a retractable dome over Metropolitan Stadium and kept it open from Memorial Day to Labor Day, and any random warm days before and after.


But then we wouldn't have the Mall of America!

Back when I lived in St. Paul, I would do as much shopping as possible in Hennepin County to do my part to pay for the stadium (that one cent for each twenty dollars was sure ruining my budget). Now that I live in Minneapolis (aka, the good side of the river) I no longer have to worry about it too much.
   14. Bug Selig Posted: June 29, 2009 at 04:23 PM (#3236625)
Ron Gant was safe.


But he couldn't possibly match Jack Morris' "clutchiness". Plus...

Atlanta third baseman Terry Pendleton, agreeing it was a push by Hrbek, endorsed the tactic. "If you can get the edge and help him off the bag, so be it," Pendleton said. "This is a game and you're trying to win."
   15. flournoy Posted: June 29, 2009 at 04:59 PM (#3236678)
Pendleton only liked it because it was an aggressive play. That doesn't change the fact that Hrbek is the greatest villain in baseball history.
   16. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 29, 2009 at 05:06 PM (#3236688)
Who was the umpire for that? I still can't believe they let him get away with it. My mind...it was boggled.
   17. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 29, 2009 at 05:08 PM (#3236689)
“It’s great for a generation of kids who have never seen an outdoor baseball game.”

And I just noticed this. Is non-MLB baseball illegal in the Twin Cities?
   18. Cris E Posted: June 29, 2009 at 05:42 PM (#3236717)
And I just noticed this. Is non-MLB baseball illegal in the Twin Cities?

So I've been hearing. At least I think that's what "You can't play in MN without a roof" means. Possibly you can play outdoors, but not without Twins' organizational lifer Phil Roof...
   19. Chipper Jonestown Massacre Posted: June 29, 2009 at 05:48 PM (#3236728)
Hrbek is a Jrk.
   20. RJ in TO Posted: June 29, 2009 at 05:55 PM (#3236736)
Who was the umpire for that?


Drew Coble.
   21. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 29, 2009 at 05:56 PM (#3236739)
I assume Tim McClelland (sp) was the ump on that play, just as he has been for every other controversial play in the last 30 years.
   22. Maxwn Posted: June 29, 2009 at 05:58 PM (#3236742)
I would like to register my support for all the Hrbek hate. Where do I sign?
   23. JMPH Posted: June 29, 2009 at 06:06 PM (#3236756)
It's funny, having grown up in Minnesota and having been just a little kid when the Gant play happened, I had absolutely no idea Kent Hrbek garnered this level of hate.
   24. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 29, 2009 at 06:13 PM (#3236767)
It's funny, having grown up in Minnesota and having been just a little kid when the Gant play happened, I had absolutely no idea Kent Hrbek garnered this level of hate.

I think only Braves fans hate him. I don't mind him. The play of infamy was the ump's fault for being a dope. It seemed obvious at the time the ump seemed more interested in making a dramatic call than the right call.
   25. RJ in TO Posted: June 29, 2009 at 06:16 PM (#3236775)
It's funny, having grown up in Minnesota and having been just a little kid when the Gant play happened, I had absolutely no idea Kent Hrbek garnered this level of hate.


The hate is primarily from Atlanta fans, for obvious reasons.
   26. Cris E Posted: June 29, 2009 at 06:20 PM (#3236779)
Kent Hrbek is still my favorite Twin. If Lemke had managed to shift Hrbek off second you people would have been cheering. If you don't like a little jostling then blame the ump, but the guys are going to try stuff. As much as I think AJ Pryrzinski is a tool, I blame the ump rather than the player for letting him steal first in the 2005 Series. No one in Florida is mad at Tom Glavine for throwing pitches into the dugout and taking the strikeouts. Eric Gregg gets the heat on that one. Hrbek is just a big kid leaning on a runner and seeing if the old trick still works like in legion ball. It shouldn't but it did.
   27. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 29, 2009 at 06:22 PM (#3236780)
You know what's weird...I remember that play very well but I don't remember Bobby Cox's reaction. It must have been epic and I'm drawing a complete blank. Damn.
   28. Chipper Jonestown Massacre Posted: June 29, 2009 at 06:26 PM (#3236789)
No one in <strike>Florida</strike> Atlanta is mad at <strike>Tom Glavine</strike> Livan Hernandez for throwing pitches into the dugout and taking the strikeouts. Eric Gregg gets the heat on that one.


Fixed that one for ya...
   29. Harry Balsagne, anti-Centaur hate crime division Posted: June 29, 2009 at 06:31 PM (#3236798)
The Gant play happened when I was 11 and my Twins worship was in its apotheosis, but I remember having a guilty feeling after the call went the Twins way, and even thought about it after the Series was over.
   30. WillYoung Posted: June 29, 2009 at 06:36 PM (#3236806)
I was actually at the Hrbek game (as a 9 year old) and from my seat in left field, I could tell that Gant was out.
   31. Chipper Jonestown Massacre Posted: June 29, 2009 at 06:49 PM (#3236832)
You know what's weird...I remember that play very well but I don't remember Bobby Cox's reaction. It must have been epic and I'm drawing a complete blank. Damn.


Gant and 1B coach, Pat Corrales, went nose-to-nose with Coble. Cox came out of the dugout essentially to defend his player and coach, but he didn't get ejected (although you have to do a lot to get ejected from a World Series game). It's possible that Cox could have been screened from the play by Hrbek's giant ass and didn't get a real good look.
   32. Dr. Vaux Posted: June 29, 2009 at 07:02 PM (#3236860)
Hrbek walked away at age 34, after a 99 OPS+ season that followed a 120 OPS+ season. Why?
   33. WillYoung Posted: June 29, 2009 at 07:08 PM (#3236869)
Hrbek walked away at age 34, after a 99 OPS+ season that followed a 120 OPS+ season. Why?


He had made enough money and was tired of back and knee problems. Deep down, all he ever really wanted to do was hunt and fish.
   34. Maxwn Posted: June 29, 2009 at 07:15 PM (#3236877)
If Lemke had managed to shift Hrbek off second you people would have been cheering.

Yes, that's because it would have been a brilliant old-school play if Lemke did it, but when Hrbek did it, it was cheating. This is how being a sports fan works.
   35. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 29, 2009 at 07:20 PM (#3236886)
If Gant slides, he is safe. Blame Gant, not Hrbek.
   36. meatdox Posted: June 29, 2009 at 07:27 PM (#3236894)
One of my favorites, Hrbek has almost the exact same career numbers as Mattingly, different shape to their careers, but about the same overall value.
   37. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 29, 2009 at 07:30 PM (#3236897)
Here is the video. 5:57 is the tag. I think Braves fans are ridiculous in thinking that Hrbek lifted Gant off the bag. It was primarily Gant's momentum.
   38. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 29, 2009 at 07:33 PM (#3236903)
Here is the video. 5:57 is the tag. I think Braves fans are ridiculous in thinking that Hrbek lifted Gant off the bag. It was primarily Gant's momentum.

Looks like he pulls him off to me. How many times do you see MLB players pirouette off a bag like that?
   39. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: June 29, 2009 at 07:36 PM (#3236910)
That's the first time I've watched that play in 15 years.

Gant was rightly called out.
   40. Justin T steals bases with his bat Posted: June 29, 2009 at 07:41 PM (#3236918)
Agree that the call was correct.

I didn't like the Twins of that era, as it seemed to my adolescent self that they always beat the A's. Upon BB-Refing, the A's were actually 35-30 against the Twins from 1988-1992. Maybe the Twins just always beat them when I got to watch. But I know I was always wary when a series with the Twins came up.
   41. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 29, 2009 at 07:43 PM (#3236920)
Ron Gant was safe.
   42. Maxwn Posted: June 29, 2009 at 07:46 PM (#3236922)
I think Braves fans are ridiculous in thinking that Hrbek lifted Gant off the bag. It was primarily Gant's momentum.

Looks like he pulls him off to me. How many times do you see MLB players pirouette off a bag like that?

Gant was rightly called out.

Ron Gant was safe.

I'm glad we're all on the same page.
   43. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 29, 2009 at 07:48 PM (#3236925)
Those of us who know what we're talking about are on the same page. The rest of us are Twins fans.
   44. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 29, 2009 at 07:48 PM (#3236926)
I'm glad we're all on the same page.

The resident BBTF contrarians must be going nuts trying to decide which side to accuse of groupthink on this one.
   45. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: June 29, 2009 at 07:49 PM (#3236928)
I'm glad we're all on the same page.
Just another example of Primer Groupthink

EDIT: Dammit, coke to Shooty. Or, possibly, a PBR.
   46.     Hey Gurl Posted: June 29, 2009 at 07:49 PM (#3236929)
Why is Randy Johnson pitching right-handed?
   47. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 29, 2009 at 07:51 PM (#3236932)
EDIT: Dammit, coke to Shooty. Or, possibly, a PBR.

You hipster douche!
   48. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 29, 2009 at 07:56 PM (#3236939)
Sam has been the biggest douche in the world lately, so ignore him.
   49. Craig Calcaterra Posted: June 29, 2009 at 07:59 PM (#3236948)
Look, most of you guys who think that Gant was out have admitted to being 9 or 10 years old when the play happened. I was 18. A man. In college. Though my academic career was just starting out, I had already been exposed to reason, learning, wonder and beauty none of you grade schoolers had ever seen. As such, I can say with the full power of objective adulthood that Ron Gant was safe and that Kent Hrbek is the dirtiest rotten cheater the world has ever seen.

And you can believe me because, as a lifelong Mariners fan, I have no reason to take sides here.

To the extent you see it differently in the video, it's because you've had a bunch of shmutz imprinted on your subconscious or somesuch. I'd explain more, but like I said, I'm a bit more learned than all of you and I don't wish to confuse you.

/glad I can help
   50. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: June 29, 2009 at 08:02 PM (#3236951)
You hipster douche!
That's why I wear that Fedora.

Did you attend the meet-up last weekend? I heard rLr's version of events, don't know how much I trust that
   51. Harry Balsagne, anti-Centaur hate crime division Posted: June 29, 2009 at 08:03 PM (#3236952)
Wow, I haven't seen that footage in ages. The mandatory mullet period.

The play is a lot more ambiguous than I remember, but it still looks to me like Hrbek was pulling him off the bag. I think Gant started to slip a little and Hrbek sensed it and pulled him off. It can be argued that if Hrbek wouldn't have taken the initiative, Gant would still have come off the bag, so I guess in that light the call was right.
   52. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 29, 2009 at 08:03 PM (#3236953)
Did you attend the meet-up last weekend? I heard rLr's version of events, don't know how much I trust that

Nope. Missed this one.
   53. WillYoung Posted: June 29, 2009 at 08:04 PM (#3236955)
Look, most of you guys who think that Gant was out have admitted to being 9 or 10 years old when the play happened.


Yes, but I was there. I saw it live with my own two eyes. He was out. That's why you don't run into second base standing up when trying to steal. You slide to help hook the bag and stay on it.
   54. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 29, 2009 at 08:05 PM (#3236956)
Sam has been the biggest douche in the world lately, so ignore him.


That's only because he's been around a lot lately.
   55. Clemenza Posted: June 29, 2009 at 08:06 PM (#3236957)
I was a 17-year old Twins fan in 1991 and I thought Gant was safe then and I think he is safe now.
   56. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: June 29, 2009 at 08:08 PM (#3236959)
Nope. Missed this one.
Damn. We'll have to get one more together before the summmer ends, so I can redeem myself in front of a crowd by staying sober, or at the minimum, staying the evening.
   57. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 29, 2009 at 08:10 PM (#3236962)
Damn. We'll have to get one more together before the summmer ends, so I can redeem myself in front of a crowd by staying sober, or at the minimum, staying the evening.

Definitely. I need some Australia pointers.
   58. Brian White Posted: June 29, 2009 at 08:31 PM (#3236978)
That's why you don't run into second base standing up when trying to steal.


You can run into second base any way you damn please as long as it gets you there before the tag, and you stay on the base. Gant beat the throw, and was standing on first, until Hrbek lifted him off.
   59. Barnaby Jones Posted: June 29, 2009 at 08:44 PM (#3236991)
Yes, but I was there. I saw it live with my own two eyes. He was out.


You were a 9 year old Twins fan sitting in left field. I will posit that you are not the most reliable eye witness. Personally, I will trust the close up video which plainly shows history's greatest monster, Kent Hrbek, lifting Gant off the base.

If you can't see that in the video you are the blindiest blinderson ever to wear blinders.
   60. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: June 29, 2009 at 08:50 PM (#3236997)
If you can't see that in the video you are the blindiest blinderson ever to wear blinders.


My tuping wadn't a dead goveaweay?
   61. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 29, 2009 at 08:59 PM (#3237001)
I love the Gant stutter-step dance onto the bag. That is usually a sign of being under control.
   62. Barnaby Jones Posted: June 29, 2009 at 09:15 PM (#3237013)
That is usually a sign of being under control.


Blinderson.
   63. Dr. Vaux Posted: June 29, 2009 at 09:22 PM (#3237018)
Thanks,Will. There was a discussion the other day about players who retired in their mid 30s with something left in the tank, and nobody brought up Hrbek, so I wondered if his career was ended by a catastrophic injury that I didn't remember, rather than the accumulated wear and tear that I do remember.
   64. Craig in MN Posted: June 29, 2009 at 09:23 PM (#3237019)
You can run into second base any way you damn please as long as it gets you there before the tag, and you stay on the base. Gant beat the throw, and was standing on first, until Hrbek lifted him off.

He was never standing anywhere. When Hrbek starts making the tag, Gant has one one foot on the bag and the other one is still in the air with his momentum is taking him across Hrbek's body (with his body already going past the bag). Also, notice that before the tag is made, as his body is going forward and he's getting ready to plant his left foot, Gant's left arm is flying back to help him get his balance from his momentum carrying him over Hrbek's body. His left arm going back indicates that his mind says he's gone too far and he needs to do something about it before he falls over Hrbek/off the base. Hrbek certainly might have helped him long, but Gant's instincts knew he was in the wrong place before the tag.

Hrbek positioned his body perfectly to force Gant to trip over/dance around him. Gant decided to try to dance around him rather than slide. Those were the keys to the play much moreso than how hard Hrbek pulled. Hrbek put himself in a good situation. Gant put himself in a bad situation. A delicate tag might have allowed him to stay of the base, you can't expect Hrbek to let up when a guy is falling over him.
   65. Jay Z Posted: June 29, 2009 at 09:29 PM (#3237022)
Pendleton only liked it because it was an aggressive play. That doesn't change the fact that Hrbek is the greatest villain in baseball history.


Among the biggest villains in baseball history would be Hitler and Tojo, for prosecuting World War II and causing Williams, DiMaggio, Greenberg, Feller, Musial et al to miss prime seasons. Also possibly ruining Cecil Travis' career.

Also, anyone that brings up Godwin's Law can bite the big one. Godwin's Law is the biggest crock of the Internet era. No, no, can't ever mention Hitler. No danger in forgetting history, is there? Nothing like coming up with a rule that's a hundred times worse that whatever "horror" it's supposedly designed to prevent.
   66. JMPH Posted: June 29, 2009 at 09:35 PM (#3237027)
Also, anyone that brings up Godwin's Law can bite the big one. Godwin's Law is the biggest crock of the Internet era. No, no, can't ever mention Hitler. No danger in forgetting history, is there? Nothing like coming up with a rule that's a hundred times worse that whatever "horror" it's supposedly designed to prevent.

I don't think your comment falls under the umbrella of Godwin's Law. I always thought Godwin's Law was more for hyperbole-filled comparisons to Hitler, like saying Kent Hrbek is like Hitler because of what he did to Ron Gant. In your case, bringing up Hitler himself as being a horrible villain makes perfect sense.
   67. Maxwn Posted: June 29, 2009 at 09:37 PM (#3237029)
I have a compromise for all concerned. All you Twins fans get to keep your WS flag from 1991, and as a poor consolation prize, us Braves fans will be allowed to continue to hate Kent Hrbek. That seems fair.
   68. phredbird Posted: June 29, 2009 at 09:38 PM (#3237030)
count me among those who think hrbek pulled gant off the bag illegally. he was doing a phony 'oh no you barreled into me and i'm falling so i have to grab on to you'. he was flopping.
   69. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 29, 2009 at 09:41 PM (#3237035)
Kent Hrbek is the reason Kirby Puckett died early.
   70. Barnaby Jones Posted: June 29, 2009 at 10:02 PM (#3237051)
Hrbek very clearly lifts Gant's leg with his glove and then walks backwards. How one could watch that video and come to an opposite conclusion is baffling.

See here where Hrbek has his glove under Gant's leg, while the latter is completely off the ground. Note that while in this position Hrbek has also taken multiple steps backwards. It is even more painfully (and as a Braves' fan I do mean painfully) obvious in video form.
   71. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: June 29, 2009 at 10:21 PM (#3237068)
I have no allegiance to either the Braves or the Twins.

When I watch Gant coming into the bag, he is clearly out of control. There is no doubt that Hrbek places himself in an optimal spot so as to take advantage of this.

Gant does the double step, which puts his centre of gravity way too high. He comes down on Hrbek, who undoubtedly rolls along with him away from the bag.

Hrbek helped him along, but Gant made himself vulnerable because he was so off balance.

If you want to argue that Hrbek physically lifted him, that's your business, but I think that is overstating it. I would say that he blocked the bag, helping Gant lose his balance in the first place. He then applied a tag that continued Gant's momentum over the bag.
   72. Justin T steals bases with his bat Posted: June 29, 2009 at 10:24 PM (#3237073)
Obviously Hrbek made him come off the bag further than he would have on his own. But it was stupid of Gant not to slide, and it looks pretty likely to me he stood a real good chance of coming off a little bit.

As an umpire, an out call is more defensible than a safe call. Especially with a demerit for not sliding. Like, if I was an ump and a guy dove into first base on a grounder just to try and confuse me, I would call him out if it was at all close just for being a stupid jackass.
   73. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: June 29, 2009 at 10:27 PM (#3237077)
Just like Clemens v. Piazza, Hrbek thought that Gant's leg was the ball.
   74. flournoy Posted: June 29, 2009 at 10:52 PM (#3237102)
Hitler has nothing on Kent Hrbek. Man, I can feel my blood pressure rising just thinking about Hrbek.
   75. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 29, 2009 at 11:02 PM (#3237114)
and as a poor consolation prize, us Braves fans will be allowed to continue to hate Kent Hrbek.

You can hate him, but it doesn't mean he cheated. For example, as a Cubs fan, I don't claim Steve Garvey cheated to win in '84. I simply acknowledge that he is a Nazi and a child molester.
   76. flournoy Posted: June 29, 2009 at 11:05 PM (#3237117)
You, sir, are in serious danger of enraging my inner seven year old.
   77. Barnaby Jones Posted: June 29, 2009 at 11:10 PM (#3237130)
Gant obviously made himself vulnerable, but that doesn't change the fact that Hrbek lifted/pulled/pushed/whatever him off. That Gant made it easy for him doesn't exactly assuage the pain.
   78. Harry Balsagne, anti-Centaur hate crime division Posted: June 29, 2009 at 11:20 PM (#3237163)
I think it's both. I think Gant was coming off the base because he made a dumb decision to not slide into a base that Hrbek was right on top of, and I think Hrbek pulled an already-coming-off Gant leg even further off.

What somebody needs to do is get a good film of this play and get all frame-by-frame Zapruder Film on that ass, thereby determining if Gant was safe or out, and also discerning clearly the soulless gaze of a 14 year-old Anthony John Pierzynski in the crowd behind the players.
   79. Jay Z Posted: June 30, 2009 at 02:02 AM (#3237410)
Also, anyone that brings up Godwin's Law can bite the big one. Godwin's Law is the biggest crock of the Internet era. No, no, can't ever mention Hitler. No danger in forgetting history, is there? Nothing like coming up with a rule that's a hundred times worse that whatever "horror" it's supposedly designed to prevent.

I don't think your comment falls under the umbrella of Godwin's Law. I always thought Godwin's Law was more for hyperbole-filled comparisons to Hitler, like saying Kent Hrbek is like Hitler because of what he did to Ron Gant. In your case, bringing up Hitler himself as being a horrible villain makes perfect sense.


The main problem with Godwin's Law is not the original law, which doesn't really say all that much. The problem is that it took about two seconds for people to go from that to the conclusion that any mention of Hitler or Nazis in any thread invokes Godwin's Law and thus should be avoided at all costs.

Hitler and the Nazis have had thousands of books written about them. They're a fascinating and important topic in history. There's no reason that they shouldn't be fruit for discussion, even off-topic discussion.
   80. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: June 30, 2009 at 11:56 AM (#3237535)
Hrbek walked away at age 34, after a 99 OPS+ season that followed a 120 OPS+ season. Why?

He had made enough money and was tired of back and knee problems. Deep down, all he ever really wanted to do was hunt and fish.


Didn't Jesse Ventura offer Hrbek the second spot on the ticket when he ran for governor in '98?

The main problem with Godwin's Law is not the original law, which doesn't really say all that much. The problem is that it took about two seconds for people to go from that to the conclusion that any mention of Hitler or Nazis in any thread invokes Godwin's Law and thus should be avoided at all costs.


Nazis: old and busted.
Iranian mullahs: new hotness.
   81. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 30, 2009 at 12:17 PM (#3237543)
You can hate him, but it doesn't mean he cheated.


Right. The hate is derived from the fact that he cheated, not a causal driver of his having cheated. The arrow of causality runs the other way. We hate him because he cheated. And because he needs another vowel. He didn't cheat because we hate him.
   82. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: June 30, 2009 at 12:25 PM (#3237546)
1. Gant probably would have come off anyway.
2. It looks like Hrbek simply picked up his leg, so he should have been awarded the base.
   83. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: June 30, 2009 at 02:05 PM (#3237621)
Gant's left arm is flying back to help him get his balance from his momentum carrying him over Hrbek's body.


back, and to the left....
back, and to the left....
   84. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: June 30, 2009 at 03:05 PM (#3237670)
I hadn't seen that video in a while, but anyone who still thinks hrbk didn't lift him off of the base is an idiot.
   85. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: June 30, 2009 at 03:07 PM (#3237672)
I've heard of this play before, but that YouTube clip is the first time I can remember seeing it. He looks out to me.

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