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1. Shooty is in the Trust TreeI think it's funny--not the drunk driving, of course--but I look forward to the reaction.
He also says that he likes New York more than Nebraska.
Its really hard to listen to the whole video and claim that he "rips" New Yorkers or "rips" Yogi, but ####, I guess the Daily News has gotta sell papers.
I wish I had sound on my computer, dammit.
Shoot, let's record it when the local Department of Children's Services comes into a home and takes a mom's kids away for lack of proper care-let's get a close-up of her reactions and her face, and let's get a shot of how unkempt the house is?
I kind of feel like those watching this are romans watching lions eat christians in the forum here; releasing these videos serves no public good.
This is sadly (in my opinion) what our world is becoming. The presence of paparazzi and things like TMZ and The Smoking Gun is just a way to make people who feel badly about themselves feel a little better because famous people are flawed too. I have a couple of friends who just devour this stuff, every bit they can dig up, and they are the friends who have the lowest sense of self-worth.
I'm fine with a bit of schadenfreude from time to time but there are more than a few people out there for whom that is their primary sense of happiness and I think there is something sad about that.
Yep; let's laugh at someone who says things when they are drunk they wouldn't say when they are sober. I really do wonder how the heck this stuff gets in the public domain; there is no reason or value I can think of, other than to service and stroke the baser instincts of the unwashed masses.
I take no pleasure in this one, though.
Bridge and tunnel ########. What. You got something to say? #### you too!
What makes you think the respondants to the survey were sober?
Well, that, and it's funny.
He probably thinks Posada is 4'9" and wouldn't recognize him without a face mask.
This season is fast turning into a schadenfreude fest for Yankee haters.
Bring it on, I say. 13 years straight of making the playoffs hasn't made them easier to like.
Yeah, well too bad nobody ever told Breslin that(who I saw in W. 57th the other day, he's a shrimp!).
Now I don't mean to be the contrarian here, as I also believe that TMZ and the Smoking Gun provide absolutely no good public value. But, all evidence shows that the criminal justice system actually is likely not to "take care of it", as if Joba was any other citizen. Part of that is a by-product of the fact that Joba has the resources to have high-quality legal counsel that provides him an advantage, but let's not discount that his celebrity whether sought out or not will probably provide him with some measure of leniency both with the officers and the judge. I belive that this is a part of why people do have some level of schadenfreude when it comes to "celebrities" even if they aren't of the camera whore variety.
It's a public record. The question for you is how should we determine which public records are simply invasions of privacy and which are important for the purposes of public debate?
There must be a second part to this video where he and the cop get it on in the back of the police car...
I agree. I was responding to the point that it should be public because Joba is famous and in the public spotlight.
I don't think anyone's arrest should be public; I will start there.
I could also see every arrest and intervention of the state against the individual being a public record; I could get there, too. Like I said, let's show the events when the bad moms lose their kids for neglect or abuse, too. I could very easily argue that the lesson there to the general public (that such terrible things exist; that there are consequences for child neglect) is just as important, and probably more important. And to knocj down the straw-man people will find with this, we won't include shots of the minors in the released videos; we will either black-out the kids faces or cut any images they are in.
I guess i can distinguish between a state or police action, which is not a finding of guilt, but rather some level of probable cause, and a court action, which has some level of solemnity and procedure associated with it. But as I said, once you make the determination that arrests and state interventions should get in the public domain, then by-god lets get serious about it and tee it up-no ones feelings get spared, and every gut-wrenching, difficult moment gets in the public domain, for all to study and/or enjoy.
In theory, they are. The video of an average Nebraskan's arrest should be just as public. It's just that no bottom-feeding website cares enough to ask for it.
I do not; open it all up, and privacy be damned.
Yeah, do we really want the State to arresting people in complete secrecy?
There is a difference between filming these things and releasing the films to the general public. They could certainly be there for a judge to view if any allegation of excessive force was made.
And somehow, the republic did survive for 200 years or so without filmed arrests, so I guess I am okay with no films being made of arrests; somehow, we would survive.
And it is all open. But some outlet has to care enough to ask for it, and host it or print or broadcast it. And there's just not as much demand to watch nobodies getting arrested.
Presumably, Joba's video wasn't made public by the police. It was already public and thesmokinggun took the necessary steps to obtain it.
Isn't the primary purpose of making arrests part of the public record to make sure there's a record in cases of police misconduct? Now, perhaps there should be different standards for the release of the records, but I'm not sure this is about an invasion of privacy as of a safeguard of civil rights.
You are missing a few things when you make this argument. First, if the juvenile protection went in with a camera when arresting the mother or making the case, there would be some claim that the recording is a public record. It may be withheld pending the investigation, but it would come out. But, as others pointed out, no one would care. The celebrity is the key. Second, the tape of Joba was not made to embarrass him, but was evidence as to whether a crime was committed.
It's funny; i thought they put cameras in the front of police cruisers and filmed stops so there would be a record and evidnece in case the stopped car driver did something wrong. I never associated it with a watch on the police.
among other things, yes. Witness that Texas cop who was disciplined for harassing that college basketball player during a traffic stop (I wish I could remember which school the player was from) - the cop was caught on tape.
Or this cop, who was disciplined too.
Since most police cruisers now have video cameras which film all stops, there have been many instances of police abuse, harrassment, or brutality coming to light because the media requests the film under the freedom of information act. In some cases the police and/or the DA wasn't going to do anything until the media made it public. Suppose the charges against Joba were dropped, but the video shows that he is drunk, shouldn't the media have the right to question the result from the justice system in light of the video evidence? Or it could go the other way if the video showed something that wasn't deserving of a stiff penalty. I tend to think that the benefit of sunshine laws on the justice system outweighs the negatives.
You have to think about the video in the larger context of public records. The public records laws I am familiar with are written to be very open and don't distinguish between form. You have to provide some reasoning for why a videotape should not be public, but the arrest report written (and edited) by the cop is.
Having said that, all the media that feeds on exposing human weakness for spectacle is reprehensible.
Scapegoating a website or a police officer is easier than acknowledging a societal trend which was possibly inevitable. It's also easier to find a solution for those who find the peeping tom activity offensive. At the same time, the blame would be misplaced- it absolutely belongs with the consumers in this case. And since those who are bothered by the practice are probably more vocal than the sheepish viewers, we're likely to continue hearing complaints that change nothing. Might as well get used to videos like this being around and ignore them as much as possible if they bother you.
There is a certain karmic justice with regard to a bottom-feeder like O'Reilly. I do have trouble believing his producer suffered much harm from his advances, esp. since most of her contact with him after an early point was designed to build a lawsuit.
Bashing is one of the most overused words on the internet.
By the way, The Smoking Gun has done a lot of good work; it's not just a celebrity docs site.
If Dildo Bill felt he was getting shaken down he should have fought the charges in court. Instead he blustered and roared that he'd fight to his last breath and quietly caved in to the reported tune of $30 million when he was informed that there was audiotape.
Frankly I'm disgusted to have to mention a great American like Joba Chamberlain in the same breath with a self-postillioning pervert like Bill O'Reilly.
BTF is 19% baseball and 81% Daily Kos.
Perfect place for a trolling right-wing dick to practice his craft.
Laziness.
Done before you posted. Sometimes I just forget about the ignore function--even when I scan past people I have on ignore, it doesn't even register. I find most primates are decent human beings.
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