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There was a huge scandal at Northwestern earlier this year or maybe at the very end of last year. It's pretty much common practice at D-1 school and some highschools (my high school the field hockey freshmen had to mud wrestle in front of the football team, that was cool, and the volleyball team wore just police tape to school one day at a neighboring high school). Srats (Sororities) are bad too. I dated a pledge trainer at Ursinus and they do some wicked #### to their girls there. I mean, we do bad things to our pledges at school, but some of the stuff girls do is downright cruel and damaging pyschologically.
I am doing something. I'm showing up and calling you a racist a$$hole, you racist a$$hole.
El Duque, Glavine, Trachsel, Maine?
I'm sure the wild card team is really scared right now...
It looks likely the wild card team will be the Dodgers. You think the Mets are scared of Maddux, Lowe, and Kuo? Penny appears doubtful. Shall we compare line-ups?
These things are relative, Levski.
Really, there's no reason to worry. You're in Yankee land right now, you can afford to wait it out and see with injured players, especially ones with that kind of upside. Hell, if you sign a pitcher like Zito or Schmidt, you're probably going to be a better team then you are now, and I don't think anyone in the division figures to take a big step foward next year. Out of curiosity, are there other notable cases of this kind of surgery and what happened to the players who underwent them?
Sam, how strong do you think Pedro will be after coming back next year? I doubt he amounts to anything more than a league average innings eater. If the Mets are lucky.
When a group of MEN are in close quarters, they inevitably gang up on the weakest.
When a group of WOMEN are in close quarters, they inevitably gang up on the strongest.
Sounds like a prime candidate for the top of the D-Backs' rotation. If Livan Hernandez is done with it yet.
IMHO, that's just really wrong. They don't need "two premier starters." I do agree that this eliminates the option of going for ZERO FA starters. I think they will need to go for one, and exercise Glavine's option. FA/Glavine/Maine/Pelfrey/Bannister (or El Duque, re-signed) would be just fine until Pedro gets back, and/or until Humber is ready. Remember, with the Mets' bullpen and offense, they don't need a dominant rotation. The one thing Omar doesn't need to do, and won't do, is overreact for a short-term solution.
Before this, I thought staying out of the whole Schmidt/Zito/Matsuzaka bidding was really an option. Now, I think they probably have to go for ONE of them.
Considering he has a torn calf and a torn rotator cuff, I'd say that's remarkably bad news for Arizona. Hope those hyped prospects pan out. And learn to pitch.
I assume you are talking about the notorious stories of sorority pledges having to get naked and let frat brothers mark the imperfections of their bodies with magic marker. That's probably worse than most stuff that any frat could do. At my school though, the sororities just give presents to the pledges.
Believe what you want. Any five-game series is going to be a dicey proposition, no doubt. But once we take that as a given, the Mets are a strong favorite over either of those two teams. They have a far, far better offense than either team. And their overall pitching is much better than the Dodgers (counting the bullpen).
Why would you want to stay out of the bidding? You're the Mets, you have money to burn, There's no one to sign for second, you're probably gonna get burned in left (unless you get Soriano, who still might burn you), and pouring big money into the bullpen isn't really a good idea. That leaves you with starting pitching. Say what you will about Zito, but the man is flat out healthy and is as safe a bet to pitch 200 innings every year of what ever contract you sign him as any free agent pitcher that I've seen in my lifetime. That's something a team like the Mets (big offense, good d, and pitching that is uncertain) should put a premium on IMO.
Surgery? Next June?
That's one thing, but there's also forced eating disorders, forced sex and exposing crushes and personal secrets to fraternities. All of those I thought were particurlarly cruel things to do to young women in their first year at school.
"That's probably worse than most stuff that any frat could do."
I've seen some stuff, some awful stuff (I've done some awful stuff) and I would agree. There is the occasional broken bone or addiction to acohol that comes out of pledgeships, but even the KAs don't destroy people the way sororities do.
"At my school though, the sororities just give presents to the pledges."
Same at my school.
I partially agree. We don't need 2 premier FAs, but I'd rather not pick up Glavine's option, I'd sign a second tier guy.
My rotation, until Pedro returns, for next year would be Schmidt/Maine/Pelfrey/FA/someone in the organization.
"the only place i KNOW it is true bout females abusing/hazing new females joining a group is gangs."
There was a huge scandal at Northwestern earlier this year or maybe at the very end of last year. It's pretty much common practice at D-1 school and some highschools (my high school the field hockey freshmen had to mud wrestle in front of the football team, that was cool, and the volleyball team wore just police tape to school one day at a neighboring high school). Srats (Sororities) are bad too. I dated a pledge trainer at Ursinus and they do some wicked #### to their girls there. I mean, we do bad things to our pledges at school, but some of the stuff girls do is downright cruel and damaging pyschologically.
i guess sororities just like gangs - just richer whiter females. are the rookies made to do illegal stuff, drugs, made to have sex with other gang members or other guys like the football team, stuff like that?
- sigh. i just don't guess i will ever understand joining a group of people who you KNOW will humiliate and abuse you. with grrrl gangs it is getting raped by the lowest number of monsters and you don't really have no other family anyhow. but rich white grrrls?
i just guess i seen so much abuse in my life and what happens when you get abused. i can NOT understand how anyone would WANT to hurt/abuse other people. and i can't understand how it HELPS the person being abused be a better person and work better with teammates
every time yall guys talk about college i am glad i got the heck out of skool the day i was legal. college sounds like the projects. just without the guns.
- and females are 1000x more vicious and cruel then males are. you know that with the apache tribe, captured enemies were given to the females NOT the males for torture - we did a MUCH better job
This might depend on whether he's currently on local or general anesthesia. If he's out cold, I think he probably slots in behind three Arizona starters but if he's already out of surgery and just gorggy and disoriented I think he'd still be their number two.
Mets were 5-2 against SD, 4-3 against LA.
-- MWE
Nice. Who said Mets fans didn't have a sense of humor?
Webb is pitching for the NL Cy Young tomorrow. Unfortunately, it appears all mediots out there have decided to vote for anyone BUT Webb... even though he rightfully deserves the award. If he wins, and the Dodgers win, the Mets will play the Padres.
The Padres have won the season series against LA so that they'd win the division if the two teams end up with identical records.
Me, I've never been able to grasp the appeal of joining a frat or (were I female, which I'm not) sorority, & deep down I truly question the judgment -- heck, maybe even the sanity -- of those who do. Of course, my last two girlfriends were sorority members during their college days, with the current one having been president of hers, so perhaps I'm the one with sanity issues. (Which certainly would come as no surprise to anyone who's ever been around me for any length of time, sad to say.)
i don't know for sure, but i assume that baseball hazing is done for the same reasons. i remember seeing pictures of all the braves rookies dressed in drag last season, and to a man they had sh**-eating grins and seem to get along great with each other these days.
now, as i also said before, the process doesn't work with everyone. some kids feel picked on or ostracised [sp?], or just don't have the ability to either grin and bear or it to laugh at themselves. usually, in my experience, the kids who think they are the hot shots have the hardest time with being humbled and/or embarrassed -- i think that's probably what milledge is like. (all this is not to excuse the sometimes inappropriate singling-out or tormenting that goes on... i think that's sh**ty)
anyway, one way or another, milledge is going to have to learn to get along with his teammates. he doesn't have to be buddy-buddy with everyone, but he needs to at least earn enough respect that people don't feel motivated to leave notes in his locker. i guarantee you that every player in that met lockerroom is very sensitive to "manliness" in the sense of "if you have something to say, say it to my face" which makes me worry about how much of a rift there must be for milledge.
i think he'll be okay in the long run, but a lot of that falls squarely on his shoulders. i hope he has a role model that he can look up to and talk to about it.
oops, i had a misimpression that i had changed "leading" to "leadership." a gw bush moment :)
Yeah, the street seems to have educated you just fine.
Wow, I actually agree with a Yankees fan, for once. You couldn't have explained the argument to sign Zito in the off-season any better.
For a team that will carry a combination of aging starters (Glavine, Pedro when he returns) and young and unpredictable starters (Maine, Pelfrey, Bannister, Perez, etc.), signing Zito is the best solution for 2007.
every time yall guys talk about college i am glad i got the heck out of skool the day i was legal. college sounds like the projects. just without the guns.
Yeah, the street seems to have educated you just fine.
In fact, the "streets" as compared to the school system, proved to be an infinitely superior educator. The school teachers and administrators are an ill-tempered aggregate of pompous pig-headed know it all pricks, exactly like yourself, as rigid, incompetent, intolerant, judgemental, unimaginitive, self righteous and egomaniacal.
Incidentally, it would behoove you to restrain yourself from accusing others of racism as you yourself are not free from its taint.
Sincerely yours,
"Redneck"
Remember the ridiculous flack over him slapping hands with the fans after a huge HR? If St Derek, Melky or the new Godhead Cano has done that it would have shown the tremendous love they had for New York and fans in general. But since it was Milledge it was sinister and an affront to Armando Benitez, who we all know NEVER got treated like crap in the papers.
Cliff Floyd said "the veterans will take care of him" and they will. He's a kid for Christ's sake and he is somehow expected to have the maturity of a Delgado or Glavine. These things are bumps in the road.
Update? There really needs to be an ongoing thread for people like her and Gagne, just so that the less frequent Primates have some understanding with what's going on.
In between, he's insulted her numerous times. He's called her tons of names that she most certainly didn't deserve, and she certainly didn't provoke him, as far as I can tell. It really comes down to the fact that Base is your typical passive-aggressive a$$hole who's gets humiliated plenty in real life and decides to take it on people on message boards. Mostly people like b-chick who stand out for one reason or another (i.e., she's a woman, she chooses to write in an interesting way, and she doesn't get bother much by petty idiots like Base, for example)...
Isn't the point that St Derek, Melky, Cano etc haven't done what Milledge did exactly the point? I sure do hope Milledge develops and all that, but by all account (read and watched on television) Milledge is going to be a bit of a problem. Hopefully, he'll be worth the headache (ie, as good as Reyes or Wright or even Heilman/Maine), and he'll have to be.
Now what...did someone else write that Base snark for her?
- grinning
well, lets just say it got edited by someone who got a lot more IQ and degrees then rob base
What's the current reason for her poorly written posts?
i dont pass them thru a grammar and spelling program then an editor like i do when i write my blog
i didn't learn to read until i left school
I feel for the kid. Ever since he gave high-fives to imaginary teammates after hitting a homerun and getting the silent treatment, I've liked him. But it does sound like he has to make some changes. His teammates in triple-a were said to not be all that fond of him either, which doesn't mean Milledge is a bad guy but for his sake and the sake of clubhouse chemistry, maybe he has to change something.
Also, I wouldn't say Milledge is a bad outfielder, just that he's playing out of position. Scouts had said he looked lost when he played a corner outfield position in the Arizona Fall League. Perhaps he just needs more time there after playing center exclusively for most of his baseball years or maybe his instincts and vision are best suited for center for whatever reason.
f*ck the haters, you're one of my favourite posters...
i might could not always understand yall boys but i luuvvv all yall just the same
hugnkiss
bbc
O battlefob, Where Art Thou?
An 8-track tape of Greetings From Asbury Park...is worth a lot more than Shawn Green. Omar got robbed on that one.
We don't know what condition that 8-track was in, though.
If it was pretty beat up, Arizona should have at least insisted on one of those 8-track K-Tel compilations being including in the deal.
I was on my honeymoon at that time; was Wilson available before they traded for Green, or after?
When he was asked, the backup outfielder said, "I don't need this (stuff). Draw your own conclusions."
"I felt like it shouldn't have gone this far," he said. "I didn't think I offended anybody, but I guess I did and I was wrong."
Two sources in the clubhouse fingered Billy Wagner as the culprit. He denied it, though the closer has been critical of the way young players in the Philadelphia organization were coddled when he was there.
I hope my man E-X appreciates this as much as I do. Just to be clear, I am incompetent and unimaginative, while he is self-righteous and egomaniacal, so between us, we have most of the bases covered on beahlf of the teachers.
guess it should have said -
the teachers/administrators in MY district WERE...
but seeing how the editors job was to find big words to tell rob base he a doodoo head that the nanny wouldn't nanny, she didn't get it quiiiite right...
Incidentally, it would behoove you to restrain yourself from accusing others of racism as you yourself are not free from its taint.
Yes I am, you ignorant, mean-spirited, cunnt.
guess it should have said -
the teachers/administrators in MY district WERE...
No problem; people trash teachers all the time. Plus, you may be in a bad mood with the Astros coming up short today. ;-) I was one of a bunch of folks who wrote into Steven Goldman when he #### on teachers with a broad generalization in a BPro chat. To his credit, he wrote back to me (and many others AFAIK) and then amended the statement to say it reflected his experience with teachers, rather than all teachers, on the Pinstriped Blog.
I used to teach in a center for adults who were going back to school to get HS diplomas; some of the stuff they told me about teachers they had was ###### up, so I know how it can be, from that and from my days in the public schools.
That's it. Make enough noise and maybe people will forget that the reason you're hateful is that you're a racist a$$hole. Probably won't work, but I guess you need to say something.
Well, I'll give him props for amending himself. But I'm not a big fan--he seems to be very slow to revise his stances on baseball even after there is a wealth of evidence against it. He continued to rip Kenny Williams as an idiot (with bigger words) through the middle of last seasons.
Most of us teachers are very poorly trained. If it was up to me, teaching would require a four-year professional school with lots of classroom time in multiple environments. I don't think there are too many people in any group, even if you took a class of law school or med school kids who could just get dropped in an under-funded, low support inner city school with a racial barrier and thrive.
There's something to be said for people who take on the most challenging jobs in the society and do their very best.
I guess this is the offending remark. I would add that El Duque could be trained to roll cigars and probably become quite proficient, while Green will under no circumstances ever again be a silver slugger with a gold glove.
Which Seinfeld episode spawned your "Mariachi band" comments? I'm sure I've seen them all a number of times.
Well, it really isn't. But bad humor is not a crime. A hard core racist would probably focus on Green.
As of right now, Milledge projects as the Mets #2 OF going into 2007. There will obviously be some moves made, but that's where things stand right now.
thing is in school at least where me and my brothers went
you get judged when you 6 years old and they put you in a category and there you stay for the rest of your life
once they say you dumb, you bad,
well its like you are david eckstein and you gotta convince people that a 5'6" 155 lb guy who "throws like a grrrl" can actually play ML baseball because they are MORE determined to show there stereotypes are perfect so they wil be right and you cant - then they are to give you any chance to see what you got.
- it also makes me real sad so many people here cant wait to complain how i am not no sam m/srul itza/albert einstein. i don't hear - hey good grrrrl you learn SOME reading and writing even if it is not perfect. like if i dont write like a law professor i should not write at all especially here where anyone who love baseball and want to talk about it need to be a man with high sat and degrees and know all the grammar rules and never make no mistakes about them.
not all baseball players gonna be albert pujols. some of us gonna be manny alexander. but it don't mean we cant play at ALL
Several months ago, I complained about your posts, too. If I didn't apologize sufficiently then, I do now.
As the kids say these days, you rock.
Duh.
That's not an excuse, but it does make them more likely to passively accept the labels which have been placed upon students.
no i guess i am in a sad mood not bad mood my stros lost
they were just not a good enough team this year and i am actually grateful we finished over .500 so i can write a real mature letter with big words to dan szymborsky saying
you said we wouldn't even be at .500 at the end of the year
well you was RONGGGGG
HA
HA
HA HAAAAAAA
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
- something like that
of course a whole lot of other experts they said the same thing but guessing is not the same as fact because its baseball and guys slump when they not supposed to or get hottern they supposed to and balls drop and umps screw up denkingery calls so youneverknow
ok ok
manny alexander won't never hit like no albert pujols no matter HOW many roids/greenies/hgh he shoots up
so some stuff you DO know
Well, I think it's only a few people. Wonder how many times Sam and Srul have been grouped with Einstein? One of my jobs now is at the border between SD and Mex--I teach English comp at a center underwritten by the community college district. You can see Mexico from my classroom window, so even though it is not technically an ESL class, most of the students are ESL and have some major grammar and vocab stuff going on in terms of "standard English." One thing I always tell them is that there is not always a direct relationship between the quality of the idea and the type of language used to express it.
And, as E-X, I, and others hit on last time this came up, dialects have rules, just like "standard English." So the term "bad grammar" is kind of contextual, cultural, and a bit of a misnomer.
not all baseball players gonna be albert pujols. some of us gonna be manny alexander. but it don't mean we cant play at ALL
Well, Manny is on the juice, IMO. E-X is right--it is a systemic issue, which does not absolve teachers, students, parents and admin types from responsibilty, it is still some complicated ####. Besides, this is a ####### discussion board, not a grad-school Linguistics seminar. So don't worry about it.
...you ignorant, mean-spirited, cunnt.
- oh my
the c-word
what is next - the N-word?
not sure why you have gone waaay out of your way to attack me for years
hmmmmmmm
what were the words she used?
ill-tempered - correct
pompous - correct
pig-headed - correct
know it all - oops
pricks - no, that is giving you too much credit, sorry
rigid - correct
incompetent - well with manners, most definitely
intolerant - DUH
judgemental - double DUH
unimaginitive - same insult - you too stupid to finish school - yeap, thats right
self righteous - fer SHER
egomaniacal - now THIS one is wrong. you can't have much of any kind of ego if you got to feel better about yourself picking on some poor grrrl
i think she should have added
hateful
spiteful
and husband he just told me not to get into a pissing cointest with you
its not nice because you obviously got nothing to piss with
I'm really upset/surprised about Pedro. He was pitching so well to start the season and hadn't really had an injury to his arm that cost him time in 5 years. His numbers in May were sick (42 IP, 55/6 K/BB, .74 WHIP, 4 homers, 2.14 ERA) and it looked like he was going to compete for the NL Cy Young. He wasn't throwing as hard but the performance was still pretty amazing. I certainly had no idea on June 1st that he would need rotator cuff surgery. I'm no expert but I generally equate rotator cuff surgeries with the end of a effectiveness for a starter. The only reason I hold out some hope is that Pedro has shown he can be good at 86-88 MPH. Still, this is a disaster and might signal the end of one of the game's greatest pitchers.
Milledge's attitude is disturbing. The Met clubhouse is pretty much the optimal place for a young cocky kid to develop. I think Milledge has a chance to be a great player and don't think the Mets should trade him but it is disappointing that you are hearing stuff like this.
I still think the Mets can win the WS but the bullpen is going to have to be huge.
Uh oh. I have an sinking feeling that I'm not doing as well in my Modern American Syntax class as I thought I was.
No, probably not. j/k/a
...you ignorant, mean-spirited, cunnt.
- oh my
the c-word
what is next - the N-word?
Right, because everybody who thinks you're sporting some kind of brain injury is a racist.
b-chick, you just wasted your time. base obviously suffers from some severe mental and emotional problems, and nothing you say or write would make a difference to him. he'll most likely end up going postal some day and killing a whole bunch of innocent people...
Congratulations, you won the biggest-assshole-on-the-thread award. Please shut up now.
you ignorant, mean-spirited, cunnt.
Congratulations, you won the biggest-assshole-on-the-thread award. Please shut up now.
Congratulations, you won the biggest-assshole-on-the-thread award. Please shut up now.
You're a racist.
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