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Is it because he's black?
How do you feel about waterboarding?
Agreed except for the bolded, since Delmon was in that draft class, if memory serves.
This makes me glad I'm a Cubs fan...
I think that, in some cases, his words are slightly different than what's been attributed to him. But this'll help you decide on your own.
Ask Omar what he thinks of Scott Kazmir and Victor Zambrano.
This is built into my question of what they thought Milledge could be.
He can locker next to Shawn Green.
Have you no shame?
OK, but why didn't Beanse trump the offer of Church/Schneider?
It sounds like he was an impressionable dupe of an ill-meaning God squadder, the defenses of whom were what I would expect of that bunch of revolting fundie Bible wavers.
Nothing is a certainty. But if we have learned nothing else we know THIS much.
I do think Church could play centerfield on a limited basis if Beltran should need a rest or get hurt an owie that lingers. Clearly he is not THE centerfield solution. But of course his bat is a better fit for center than a corner position.
Not a Schneider fan.................
It's been almost two hours. I'm still in a daze. Why?
Why do the Mets hate first round draft picks?
Seriously though, ask Omar what he feels Church's role will be with the team next year and in the future. Gomez too. Ask him about making trading a promising MLB ready prospect to a division rival that they'll see 19 brazillion times a year.
Where are they going to get the pitching? Not to mention the pitching and the pitching?
Conference call at 3- anyone have any suggested questions?
Who are you and what have you done to Omar Minaya?
I think you mean "dawg ####."
I would not move Haren for him, but he was available, uhh, a bit cheaper than that. Like I said upthread, if I just wanted to dump a guy, I'd get him out of the league/division. The whole thing is weird unless Milledge really has an Elijah Dukes,Brett Myers, or Scott Olsen-type issue that is not yet public.
(I have to admit, I was totally wrong about those guys; I thought they wouldn't do squat and the Orioles would be terrible in 2007. Boy was I mistaken.)
What makes you think that Minaya even asked? What makes you think that Minaya would recognize a better offer if he saw one?
This trade is so bad that it has to throw all normal assumptions out the window. Why should we believe that Minaya couldn't get more for Milledge. Maybe he didn't even try. Anyone who could make this deal is capable of any kind of irrational behaviour.
And Bowden won both.
I don't understand.
Why didn't 28 other teams? Maybe he didn't get a chance.
What makes you think that Minaya even asked? What makes you think that Minaya would recognize a better offer if he saw one?
This trade is so bad that it has to throw all normal assumptions out the window. Why should we believe that Minaya couldn't get more for Minaya. Maybe he didn't even try. Anyone who could make this deal is capable of any kind of irrational behaviour.
I'm with Gaelan here. The A's FO is probably aghast that this is all it took to get Milledge. Omar probably was talking about Dan Haren or Blanton with the A's--a large deal that would take time to negotiate--and then Omar drops this bomb. At the very least, Omar should have waited until the GM meetings to scare up a better offer. Bowden is no fool, that Nats offer would have been there next week.
Reports are going around that Minaya has said that Milledge was offered to the A's and O's and neither was interested.
I am not pointing out Beane here. I'm just making a general observation. I can understand not having a chance at the trade deadline when time is limited but it's te offseason.
No clue, but what I read seemed like a blanket statement. Didn't seem like Minaya was proposing specific deals with the A's and O's. Just shopping Milledge. But I just get that out of the tenor of what I read. I could be reading to much into the reports.
Seriously. Bowden was the only one dumb enough to ask if Schneider will do.
I said earlier that I couldn't believe that MacPhail would turn down Hernandez for Milledge, but it's certainly possible that that deal was never on the table. Maybe Minaya offered Milledge and spare parts for Bedard, and MacPhail said no (apparently the Mets have been agressive suitors of bedard, so it makes sense). And maybe MacPhail had no idea that he could get Milledge for far less.
The thing I liked about that thread is how it was revived over and over spanning a couple of years, much like a phoenix.
The winter meetings are what, a couple of days away. It didn't occur to him to wait and take a walk around the lobby of a hotel, have a drink or two, and see what happens. No, he had strike while the iron was hot and ride that gravy train straight to mediocrity.
It's really quite a shame because the Mets have a lot to like and are the NL's best hope of fielding a good team this season. Instead this nonsense happens that is quite literally bad for baseball.
I am going to guess no. At least for the A's. Who the hell knows what the O's are up to sometimes.
More than a tinge. Church is the one who's lazy, a malignerer, arrogant, and not liked by teammates ... as Mets fans will unfortunately see.
Is that the Pierzynski trade? That was only bad in hindsight -- at the time, every prospect Sabean traded away turned out badly and he got an all-star C entering his age-27 season for two A-ball arms and a middle reliever.
It really is hard to root for this team sometimes. I really had no idea that Minaya had this much stupid inside him this whole time. I'd started to dismiss all of the (I thought) ridiculous rumors as stuff Minaya was too smart to do. Now I have absolutely no idea what to expect going forward. This is painfully painfully dumb.
I don't get this. How can a lopsided trade be "bad for baseball," particularly when it's one of the better, better-finded teams who appears to have been ripped off? It's bad for Mets baseball, but not so bad for the rest of us NL fans, Nats fans in particular.
Now, if the Marlins, for example, were to give away their entire team right after winning the World Series, that would be bad for baseball.
If you take that away then Bowden won two of three and the Mets got raped in two of three.
that's even worse.
thanks .
so if he has a decent year, they are going to have to pay him.
this deal gets crazier by the minute.
Oooh, good analogy.
I've said this after the Brewers inked Kendall, and I'll say it again: As a Dodger fan, I don't like Colletti but I thought it was unseemly to criticize the man for rumored moves he didn't make. ("Cabrera for Kemp, LaRoche, Billingsley AND Kershaw? The fool!") Now, Omar's trade of Milledge - this actually happened.
Wow, I forgot how much people thought of Justin Huber then. How quickly times change.
It's bad that the one chance the NL had of fielding a respectable team has gone down the drain. It means yet another year of mediocrities chasing mediocrity. It also means that the one NL team that had a chance of getting Santana now has no chance which means that the inbalance between the NL and AL is only going to grow when Cabrera goes to the AL.
Seriously there isn't a single good team in the NL right now. There isn't a single team that would have a reasonable chance of making the playoffs in the AL. That's embarrasing and bad for baseball.
No one can possible be as awful as Jim Dolan, but there's way too much Jim Dolan in Jeff Wilpon for Mets fans to sleep comfortably.
This really doesn't make the 2008 Mets worse. It might make them slightly better. Long-term, this is a bad deal but not in the short-term.
Does Wilpon front a vanity blues band?
i got quite the giggle out of this ..Yeah 'cus the only team in the NL is the Mets ..
Edit: #### YOU TOO OMAR.
"Brian Schneider’s going to be our everyday catcher- we’ll have as good a combination as you have in baseball." - Omar Minaya
Would you have written the same thing if the Brewers had traded Yovani Gallardo for a pack of smokes and had won 88 games instead of 83 in 2007?
Left 36, Right 24, Left 36
"Brian Schneider’s going to be our everyday catcher- we’ll have as good a combination as you have in baseball." - Omar Minaya
And it gets better!
so Estrada is getting cut.
Boy Estrada and Barrett's value sure took a nose dive this season ..
"Brian Schneider’s going to be our everyday catcher- we’ll have as good a combination as you have in baseball." - Omar Minaya
You have to appreciate the comedy. I would take Jeremy Brown and Rob Bowen over Castro and Schneider. All right, maybe not, but it's close enough that I'd think about it. Omar is nuts.
Mission Accomplished!
That said, I think its safe to lay to rest the "Bowden is the worst GM in history" talk. There are plainly at least two GMs worse than he is. I had always assumed that Minaya was under pressure from MLB when he did the Colon deal, now, I'm not so sure. For Mets fans' sake, I'm concerned over what Minaya has planned for the "splash" he's going to make on the starting pitching front. 100 mil for Carlos Silva? A raft of the prospects that remain in the system for Willis?
Are you sure he meant Major League Baseball?
I hope he says that to Mike & the Dog. That'd be fun.
As an NL fan, my reaction to this was just like that Simpsons episode where Marge says, "Homer, I think you'd agree I've had to put up with a lot in this marriage--" and Homer opens his mouth to protest, sees Bart and Lisa shaking their heads "no" at him, and, almost dutifully, closes his mouth.
Combination of what? Is Schneider even an upgrade over Lo Duca?
“I had a very close relationship with the kid. To trade him was extremely difficult for me. But Lastings, I think he’s gonna be fine. Lastings is developing well. Has he made mistakes along the way? Yes, he’s made mistakes. But you talk to him about them, he’s taking care of those mistakes. He can play center field. He’s just a young man developing.” - Omar Minaya
Are you saying Omar's one of the worst GM's in baseball? Because his record with the Mets is still pretty clearly in the positive.
“We’re not thinking in those terms- we’re very happy to have him as our guy. We’re looking at Ryan Church as being our outfielder. Milledge is an outfielder, because of his age, you don’t know the upside. But we’re thinking of Church as our everyday guy.”
WHAT!?!?
Quoting my friend - "does that take into account the combination of Jorge Posada and who gives a ####?"
Gelb should probably just change his handle back to that now.
All the other teams are striving to be average. You're a Cub fan. That's a team that strives to be mediocre.
I had/have high hopes for the Brewers. Unfortunately I moved to Wisconsin in mid-August and got to watch first hand how average that team really is. Besides the number of wins is irrelevant. Somebody has to win the games. But if you look at the Red Sox, Yankees, Indians and Angels and then look at any NL team you can't help but shudder. The NL needs a team to step up and lay a beating on everyone else so that the GM's will stop deluding themselves that their teams are good.
For this year, this doesn't make the Mets appreciably worse. May even make em better for this one year. Regardless, its good for baseball to have lots of team going for a pennant. It fuels interest in lots of cities, and a mediocre team can win the World Series. Anything can happen in a seven game series, just ask the 2006 Cardinals. What is bad for baseball is to have one dominant team in a league with a bunch of also-rans.
Its bad for New York Mets fans, sure, but don't project this as being bad for baseball.
I just had a flashback to last night's "30 Rock."
"No way those kids were born after 1993!"
"These Dominican birth certificates state they were!"
Parity and talent are different. If the NL representative to the WS went 81-81 during the regular season and the NL went .500 against the AL, the NL wouldn't be the worse league. It would be the worse league if it went less than .500 against the AL, even if its rep was 100-62.
always announce bad news on a Friday
I don't see "clearly in the positive". He threw a bunch of money at Martinez. He took on Delgado's contract. He threw a bunch of money at Beltran. Wright and Reyes were in the system. He took advantage of the two headed monster in Baltimore for Maine (who are no longer in power). He took advantage of Littlefield for Perez (who is no longer in power). I'm also taking in consideration the historically bad Colon trade. Which was followed up by what BP referred to (IIRC) as the "Biddles and bits" trade. Which was one of the few lines I've ever found funny that came out of BP.
Granted Russlan, the "at least two" comment was off the cuff, but you have to consider that Minaya's "good" moves that didn't involve throwing money at people were moves with people that are no longer employed as GMs.
I'd say Krivsky is worse than Minaya. And Bavasi. That's off the top of my head. I'll have to think on it some more. Suggestions?
He hasn't won this one yet.
Schneider is a strong defensive catcher, and I'd expect his bat to revive some getting out of RFK, where he has hit very badly. Church gives the Mets a left-handed hitting option in the OF that they didn't have, and I suspect he is more likely to accept a limited role than Milledge would have been (it's unlikely that Milledge would have played regularly in 2008, IMO). If the Mets win a pennant in 2008, I'm sure they'll be pretty happy with the deal.
-- MWE
We've secretly replaced the brain of Omar Minaya with the brain of Jim Duquette. Let's see if anyone notices
Sabean. So that's three. Others?
And here I thought the White Sox would make the dumbest trade this winter.
Buzzie's boy in Seattle?
Michael, Michael, Michael. Have you forgotten Shawn Green?
Tsk, tsk.....
Edit:
I know he's a free agent. But I thought there was word on re-signing. If no, my error
There is no reason to believe that Gomez has a future with the Mets. With Gotay buried and Milledge purged, its clear to me that only established players need apply.
This is an interesting quote. It was about fan misunderstanding, but which two Mets have high-profile off-the-field issues?
I'm in the midst of sending out job apps for next year, and this actually makes me root for a job outside of NYC so I won't be tempted to remain a Met fan after this retarded bull$hit. Milledge is going to be a great hitter, and it sucks that we've supplied the Nats with 1/4 of their young starting lineup because Omar's an idiot. F**king jackasses. Seriously.
At least of the jobs I have an app in for is Georgetown. Not a huge fan of DC, but at least they'll have a fun team to watch there.
You never deal a talented player when his value has bottomed out unless you have to. If nothing else, he'd be a young player having a monster year in AAA.
Not getting worse isn't the goal. And the imbalance between the leagues is bad if you want fans to be interested in the league as a whole instead of their parochial fiefs. Entering the offseason the Mets had hopes of signing Posada and trading for Santana. That would have been a team poised to play with the big boys. Instead you have this rotting pile of crap and a team that could have been great is just another team amongst the rest of the blah that is the NL. What a waste.
What I wanted was the Mets to actually be good and lay a beating on everyone else in the hopes that it would drive lazy teams like the Cardinals to say Cesar Izturis and Kip Wells might be good enough to beat out the rest of the dreck in the midwest but we have loftier goals so we're not going to settle this year and waste the best player in the league by surrounding him with crap and then hoping to get lucky in the playoffs while we pat ourselves on the back with all the money we're making.
The NL is a minor league. That's sad.
The MacPhail and company might be thinking along the lines that that can't afford more off-the-field character/clubhouse issues, what with Huff spanking pornstars on the air or whatever, all of the juicing, the Millar cheerleading, etc. I'm not saying they're right, but the position is defensible.
Schneider is moving out of RFK ... to Shea.
Beltran is a switch hitter who hit better from the left side. Marlon Anderson and Chavez are both lefties. If Omar can't find a lefty corner OF on the cheap he's stupider than I thought.
No, it's impossible for Omar to be more stupid than I think of him now. The whole affair is utterly contemptible.
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