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Newsday’s Tim Healey explains incident with Mets manager Mickey Callaway | Newsday

Mets bedlam. I don’t see how Callaway survives much longer.

Jim Furtado Posted: June 24, 2019 at 07:55 AM | 26 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: jason vargas, mets, mickey callaway

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   1. asinwreck Posted: June 24, 2019 at 10:41 AM (#5855307)
This produced an immediate apology from Jeff Wilpon. Has that ever happened before?
   2. Itchy Row Posted: June 24, 2019 at 10:57 AM (#5855315)
If a Met is going to threaten a sportswriter, he should be required to say "I'll show you the Bronx." In Vargas's case, I guess it would be "I'll show you Apple Valley."
   3. Bote Man sez Davey is MoY Posted: June 24, 2019 at 12:56 PM (#5855350)
Daniel Labriola @Dansmets19
Replying to @MarcCarig
I’m sure you miss the Mets beat on a daily basis.

Marc Carig @MarcCarig
nah, i’m good. same crap all the time. change the names, change the scapegoats. the wilpons are poor stewards of the franchise. period.
   4. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 24, 2019 at 12:58 PM (#5855353)

The Mets haven't been great this season but they also haven't been terrible. The NL East is basically looking like people predicted before the season, except the Braves are on pace for 95 wins and if they keep it up then the Mets can forget about winning the division. But the Mets are 4 games below .500 and right now. The WC teams are only on pace for 87 and 84 wins, and the Mets are only 3.5 out of a Wild Card spot. It wouldn't be crazy to see them do it.

That being said, they are a pretty hard team to follow right now. I basically tune in to see how many home runs Alonso will hit and how the Mets will manage to turn a DeGrom start into a loss.
   5. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: June 24, 2019 at 12:58 PM (#5855354)
I think this is Callaway's way of getting the hell out of here, without actually quitting...
   6. formerly dp Posted: June 24, 2019 at 02:50 PM (#5855412)
Callaway cost them the game yesterday. It wasn't entirely his fault--the Mets should have a lefty in the pen--but Lugo shouldn't have been left out there for so long. At this point, the Mets need to just way their hands of him.
   7. Banta Posted: June 24, 2019 at 03:45 PM (#5855437)
The Mets would be wise on many levels to part ways with Callaway today, but I presume the Wilpons don't want to feel like they're being bullied into it and will just randomly fire him some week in July.
   8. Bote Man sez Davey is MoY Posted: June 24, 2019 at 04:20 PM (#5855455)
Anthony DiComo @AnthonyDiComo
BREAKING: The Mets are fining both Mickey Callaway and Jason Vargas for their roles in last night's clubhouse altercation, but issuing no suspensions, according to general manager Brodie Van Wagenen.

Van Wagenen called the altercation "disappointing" and "regrettable."

Van Wagenen added that he does not expect Major League Baseball to hand down any additional discipline for either Mickey Callaway or Jason Vargas.


To be sure, that's fiNing, not fiRing.
   9. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: June 24, 2019 at 04:22 PM (#5855457)
I don't mean to play "blame the victim" but (you saw that coming didn't you?) I feel like there is more to this than we are getting. If Callaway and Vargas really did just lose their #### and threaten Healey for nothing more than a couple of tough questions then yeah, they both probably should go.

I don't know a damned thing about Callaway and Vargas though. Like if I saw this story about someone with a track record of blowing up (e.g. Chris Sale) over stupid things I'd say "oh here we go again." Is that their M.O.? I just feel like we aren't getting the full story. It's quite possible we are and even if we aren't it's quite possible even likely that Callway and Vargas come out looking bad. This just feels off to me though.
   10. Hysterical & Useless Posted: June 24, 2019 at 04:32 PM (#5855463)
This just feels off to me though

Forget it Jose. It's Metstown.
   11. Adam Starblind Posted: June 24, 2019 at 04:39 PM (#5855468)
On top of everything, virtually all of the "prospects" in their depleted farm system have been horrific this year.

Andres Gimenez - .226/.293/.337 at AA
David Peterson - 4.41 ERA at AA
Mark Vientos - .249/.298/.384 at low A
Ronny Mauricio is a star at .286/.326/.382 at low A.

Only Anthony Kay is doing well, and he's a pretty limited upside prospect. I can't even think of anyone else I've been following. It's pretty remarkable.

   12. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 24, 2019 at 06:02 PM (#5855492)
Andres Gimenez - .226/.293/.337 at AA
David Peterson - 4.41 ERA at AA
Mark Vientos - .249/.298/.384 at low A


Shervyen Newton is probably the most disappointing to me. .192/.274/.287, with 62 K in 167 AB.
   13. Adam Starblind Posted: June 24, 2019 at 08:39 PM (#5855524)
Been a long time since I've been this down on this team.
   14. formerly dp Posted: June 24, 2019 at 09:50 PM (#5855547)
@ 13: maybe a year for me, probably less.
   15. Howie Menckel Posted: June 24, 2019 at 09:52 PM (#5855548)
the hits just keep on coming!

#immolationnow

PHILADELPHIA — As general manager Brodie Van Wagenen continues to insist his manager has full autonomy on game decisions for the Mets, a specific example has surfaced that indicates otherwise.

According to an industry source, it was the rookie GM who instructed Mickey Callaway to remove Jacob deGrom from a game in Arizona earlier this month in which the Mets ace sustained a hip cramp. After deGrom was removed from the game in the seventh inning, the bullpen imploded in a loss that added to the frustration of a 2-5 road trip.

The source said Van Wagenen, who was watching the game at home on TV, communicated with a member of the Mets support staff with an order to remove deGrom from the game. Callaway complied with the order, and deGrom was visibly upset as he departed the field, certain that he could continue pitching. The manager was grilled for the move, but at the time insisted the decision was his.

“Hell, yeah, it’s unusual: sending word to the dugout, telling the manager what to do?” the source said. “I have never heard of that before.”

MLB rules stipulate that players and coaches cannot use cellphones anywhere during a game.

The source added there was grumbling at the time within the clubhouse that Van Wagenen hadn’t come forward and taken responsibility for the decision, as the perception persisted that deGrom was unhappy with a manager fighting to keep his job.
   16. cardsfanboy Posted: June 24, 2019 at 09:53 PM (#5855550)
I don't mean to play "blame the victim" but (you saw that coming didn't you?) I feel like there is more to this than we are getting. If Callaway and Vargas really did just lose their #### and threaten Healey for nothing more than a couple of tough questions then yeah, they both probably should go.

I don't know a damned thing about Callaway and Vargas though. Like if I saw this story about someone with a track record of blowing up (e.g. Chris Sale) over stupid things I'd say "oh here we go again." Is that their M.O.? I just feel like we aren't getting the full story. It's quite possible we are and even if we aren't it's quite possible even likely that Callway and Vargas come out looking bad. This just feels off to me though.


If you read the article , healy goes out of his way to not blame Vargas.. (the super charge vs charge... comment) just pointing that it happened and people reacted.

But there is very much the possibility that his attitude might have been off putting...
   17. Captain Supporter Posted: June 25, 2019 at 11:39 AM (#5855654)
“Hell, yeah, it’s unusual: sending word to the dugout, telling the manager what to do?” the source said. “I have never heard of that before.”


Fake news from a NY media that is clearly looking to pick apart the Mets. Instructions are sent down to managers all the time. Brian Cashman, for one has admitted (no, make that stated) that he has analytics people in the tunnel passing suggestions/instructions to his Manager. The following link from an on the record source, makes that clear enough.

https://thebiglead.com/2019/03/23/yankees-analytics-guys-are-strongly-urging-aaron-boone-to-make-moves-from-the-tunnel/
   18. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: June 25, 2019 at 11:50 AM (#5855661)
Fake news from a NY media that is clearly looking to pick apart the Mets.


New York Post, October 30, 2024 (or so...)

Headline: JUDGE HAS LOUD FART!

Sub-head, tiny print: Mets win the World Series


The Post HATES the Mets. Always has.
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 25, 2019 at 12:19 PM (#5855666)
The Post HATES the Mets. Always has.

Nah, it's just that failure and controversy provoke more clicks and arguments than success. It's just like sports radio always spends more time on the dysfunctional teams.
   20. PreservedFish Posted: June 25, 2019 at 12:35 PM (#5855677)
I find it ridiculous to believe that owners, GMs, marketing managers and so on have not been regularly sending messages down to the dugout for more than a century.
   21. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 25, 2019 at 12:43 PM (#5855681)
I find it ridiculous to believe that owners, GMs, marketing managers and so on have not been regularly sending messages down to the dugout for more than a century.

Of course they have. The most obvious example is when a player is traded, and they send down for him to be removed from the game.
   22. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: June 25, 2019 at 12:50 PM (#5855683)
The Post HATES the Mets. Always has.

Nah, it's just that failure and controversy provoke more clicks and arguments than success. It's just like sports radio always spends more time on the dysfunctional teams.


A number of years ago, there was a blaring headline in the Post, something like MURDERING DRUG DEALER WAS A MET FAN, because the cops found a Met hat in the guy's apartment. That was the only connection. I remember thinking/saying how surprised I was that the article didn't mention Kirk Radomsky -- it was around that time.
   23. PreservedFish Posted: June 25, 2019 at 12:50 PM (#5855684)
But I also can easily imagine that the GM watching on television in his boxers at home, and texting in a direct order based on what he sees of the tv coverage, might be seen as beyond the pale.
   24. Blastin Posted: June 25, 2019 at 01:10 PM (#5855691)
Nah, it's just that failure and controversy provoke more clicks and arguments than success. It's just like sports radio always spends more time on the dysfunctional teams.


One year, the Yankees started 0-3, and the Mets started 3-0. The headline said "Mets 3, Yankees 0."

Tabloids like (metaphorical) blood, that's all.

The Mets hate the Mets.
   25. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: June 25, 2019 at 01:35 PM (#5855695)
I think the ideal scenario for sports radio is a second place team. You want them good enough that people are interested but to have failures that they can ##### about as much as possible.
   26. Adam Starblind Posted: June 25, 2019 at 01:52 PM (#5855704)
I'd be happy with a second place team too.

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