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Friday, September 13, 2013

NFL: Concussion issue continues to grow in Major League Baseball

Concussions have been a major concern in Major League Baseball this season. About a dozen catchers have been placed on the seven-day concussion list because of head injuries, including former MVP Joe Mauer, who has not returned to the Minnesota Twins after almost a month on the sidelines.

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Plus, it appears MLB is dealing with the same concussion culture that the NFL has been trying to change.

Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: September 13, 2013 at 05:37 PM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: concussions, football, football american, health, mlb, nfl

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   1. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: September 13, 2013 at 06:16 PM (#4540986)
I'd like to see a companion piece on MLB.com, "Is Ray Lewis a Hall of Famer?" citing his use (and the media's collective indifference) of banned deer antler spray, his involvement as accessory to murder, and then segueing into PED's and the thug culture in football.
   2. Mattbert Posted: September 13, 2013 at 06:30 PM (#4540994)
You have got to be kidding me. Of all the patronizing, self-serving, obfuscatory garbage...
   3. deputydrew Posted: September 13, 2013 at 06:49 PM (#4541009)
What is the prognosis for Mauer? I haven't really followed his situation closely, but this has got to scare Twins fans who have watched the Morneau situation for the last few years.
   4. DFA Posted: September 13, 2013 at 06:49 PM (#4541010)
TFA reads like it was written by a 7th grader. I'm also unclear why the NFL is writing about MLB's concussion issues. Seems like the NFL is trying to shift attention away from their own problem...

Lastly, to the point, is there something that can be done in terms of improving catching equipment to reduce the risk of concussions?
   5. The District Attorney Posted: September 13, 2013 at 06:50 PM (#4541011)
I choose to read this as "we're not the only sport with this problem", rather than "baseball has this problem worse than we do." Because otherwise, yeesh.

Honestly, regardless of intent, it's strange for the NFL to print a story on their site that only briefly mentions the NFL once. Are they just carrying the AP sports feed? Are there other stories not about football on their site?
   6. jdennis Posted: September 13, 2013 at 07:22 PM (#4541043)
the nfl writers are so much worse than the mlb writers, just talent wise. we disagree with the mlb writers a lot, but they can write usually. they come from well-known media outlets and people have heard of them before they write for mlb. the nfl writers seem to have no pedigree or writing acumen, and i've never heard of any of them.
   7. Walt Davis Posted: September 13, 2013 at 07:53 PM (#4541068)
concussion culture?
   8. Long Time Listener, First Time Caller Posted: September 13, 2013 at 08:10 PM (#4541089)
Shameful stuff from the NFL. I doubt it needs to be said, but the main difference between the NFL and the MLB is that when MLB players get a concussion, their teams refuse to treat them as disposable commodities since baseball players have guaranteed contracts. That means if a player gets so broken down he can't go on playing or living without pain and suicidal depression, that's to the team's detriment. The upshot is no one's going to call Justin Morneau a wussy for sitting out until he's healthy. Can you imagine a football player sitting out the equivalent of 8 games while his team continues to pay him after being "shaken up a little bit"? Not saying MLB owners aren't dirtbags, but at least them being dirtbags isn't going to directly contribute to a former player driving his car off a cliff
   9. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: September 13, 2013 at 08:12 PM (#4541090)
Dammit. The submit page failed to append my suggested additional tag of "Concern trolling."
   10. Mattbert Posted: September 13, 2013 at 08:18 PM (#4541095)
Honestly, regardless of intent, it's strange for the NFL to print a story on their site that only briefly mentions the NFL once. Are they just carrying the AP sports feed?

The byline is:
Bill Bradley, contributing editor
It seems hard to divine any other purpose than clumsy misdirection. It's especially galling given that concussions are incidental to the sport of baseball whereas in football they're almost entirely the whole point.
   11. Random Transaction Generator Posted: September 13, 2013 at 08:25 PM (#4541102)
Lastly, to the point, is there something that can be done in terms of improving catching equipment to reduce the risk of concussions?


Yes. Force all the catchers to switch over to the hockey-style masks that Charlie O'Brien pioneered when he was with Toronto (and then taken up by Gregg Zaun when he came here, too).

The masks are angled in a way that deflects the baseball to the side, instead of allowing the full impact to the front of the mask.
It reduces the chance of a solid blow to the head from a foul tip.
   12. Mattbert Posted: September 13, 2013 at 08:44 PM (#4541117)
Interestingly, David Ross recently switched back to the traditional mask and skullcap setup after having been a goalie-mask guy for a long, long time. He said he thinks the traditional mask might be better for balls coming straight back off the bat.
   13. catomi01 Posted: September 13, 2013 at 09:29 PM (#4541149)
Interestingly, David Ross recently switched back to the traditional mask and skullcap setup after having been a goalie-mask guy for a long, long time. He said he thinks the traditional mask might be better for balls coming straight back off the bat.


I've heard that a lot too....goalie mask style is better in that it protects the side of the head and face much more completely, but that the padding in the forehead portion is not as effective....having worne both this makes sense, with the traditional mask, you have mask, padding, helmet, and more padding - with the goalie style, depending on where it hits, you just have the helmet shell and then the inner padding...the answer would be to try and combine the best of both worlds...maybe set the mask potion of a the goalie mask further from the skull itself, with a layer of padding of some kind between that and the helmet....the issue would be bulk at that point, so there is probably some pretty good money to be made by whoever develops lightweight padding that protects as well or better than current materials, using less space.
   14. Kiko Sakata Posted: September 13, 2013 at 09:34 PM (#4541156)
is there something that can be done in terms of improving catching equipment to reduce the risk of concussions?


There was an article linked here recently suggesting that newer, lighter catchers' masks are actually making them more vulnerable to concussions.
   15. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: September 13, 2013 at 09:35 PM (#4541157)
The masks are angled in a way that deflects the baseball to the side, instead of allowing the full impact to the front of the mask.
It reduces the chance of a solid blow to the head from a foul tip.


That sounds like bad news for the umpire.
   16. salajander Posted: September 13, 2013 at 09:41 PM (#4541160)
wrong thread
   17. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: September 13, 2013 at 09:46 PM (#4541165)
Concussion issue calls future of contact football into question
MLB.com Sept. 13 2013

Concussions have been a major concern in the National Football League since 2002. Over 30 deceased NFL players have been diagnosed post-mortem with CTE resulting from concussions, including future Hall of Famer Junior Seau, who committed suicide at the age of 43; amateur players who died as young as 17 have also been diagnosed, suggesting that early-onset dementia may be an unavoidable consequence of the game.

Apart from a Men's Style article that no longer appears to be available online, no media outlets looked at CTE for the best part of a decade, until several NFL players in their 20s were diagnosed in the past two years.

The NFL took measures to address the danger of concussions without directly addressing CTE in 2010 through rules changes...

...and apparently I'm late for something so that'll have to do.
   18. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: September 13, 2013 at 09:57 PM (#4541173)

That sounds like bad news for the umpire.


Something something umpires already have brain damage, it's a job requirement something.
   19. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: September 13, 2013 at 10:12 PM (#4541185)
Ross's decision was made due to the materials used in the old mask vs the new hockey style masks. The old masks are made of lighter composites (and are thus not as cumbersome on a catcher's face and neck over the course of the game. This is there primary advantage over old masks, not vision.) The old masks are heavier, but made of iron infrastructure and tend to absorb more of the foul ball's energy.
   20. DKDC Posted: September 13, 2013 at 10:23 PM (#4541189)
Per #1, The obvious troll-back would be for MLB to publish a story about steroid use in the NFL.

But they won't do it.
   21. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 14, 2013 at 12:55 AM (#4541287)
Hey NFL, go #### yourself.
   22. Gamingboy Posted: September 14, 2013 at 09:01 AM (#4541332)
There is only one position (catcher) where you have a high risk of concussion at one point or another while playing baseball. All other concussions are the result of accidents or reckless play.


By contrast, basically every position in football puts you at high risk of a concussion. Maybe if you are a kicker or punter you are less likely unless there is a accident or reckless play... maybe.
   23. Flynn Posted: September 14, 2013 at 09:38 AM (#4541344)
I doubt it needs to be said, but the main difference between the NFL and the MLB is that when MLB players get a concussion, their teams refuse to treat them as disposable commodities since baseball players have guaranteed contracts.


Also, because MLB doesn't have a yellow union, one day of MLB service enters you in their health plan.
   24. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: September 14, 2013 at 12:07 PM (#4541441)
he nfl writers are so much worse than the mlb writers, just talent wise. we disagree with the mlb writers a lot, but they can write usually. they come from well-known media outlets and people have heard of them before they write for mlb. the nfl writers seem to have no pedigree or writing acumen, and i've never heard of any of them.


It's almost as if the "sport" they're writing about is mainly of interest to, uh, people who aren't particularly intelligent ...

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