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Really fun night of hockey yesterday. Upsets abounded, and all of the games I caught were really intense. I doubt Phoenix can hang with a finally-healthy Detroit, but that should be a very fun series if Byzg keeps standing on his head.
I hope you are correct. By the same token, as much as I want it to happen, there is no way I see the Sens beating the Penguins three more times. The Pens were really sloppy on defense and I think they will tighten that up a lot.
Should we do predictions?
- Detroit goes out in the 2nd round. There is some admittedly crappy officiating against the Red Wings, but their fans will not shut up about it until at least 2014.
- Antti Niemi has an outstanding playoff run, and the Hawks at least make the finals. He is benched by next December, and is never heard from again.
- The next Star Wars role playing game features a cantina owner named Tuukka Rask
- Don Cherry continues to make even Primates look good
Hawks over Caps in 7
I feel a bit bad for the Sharks, despite the fact that their losing would be a huge boon to the Blackhawks. Probably due to my natural hatred of media proclaiming otherwise dominant teams as useless when they fail in the playoffs, but also because they're a mid-90's Teal team with a stupid logo that is actually good and didn't abandon their awful 90's-ness the second they became good.
Not happy that the hawks don't play till friggin' Friday, or that directtv put versus in a higher package when they finally picked it back up.
Sure, why not?
San Jose over Colorado in 5 (these were all BEFORE game 1 predictions)
Chicago over Nashville in 6
Los Angeles over Vancouver in 7
Phoenix over Detroit in 6
Washington over Montreal in 4
New Jersey over Philadelphia in 6
Buffalo over Boston in 5
Pittsburgh over Ottawa in 6
San Jose over Los Angeles in 5
Chicago over Phoenix in 7
Washington over Pittsburgh in 6
Buffalo over New Jersey in 5
San Jose over Chicago in 7
Buffalo over Washington in 6
Buffalo over San Jose in 6
Goaltending means more in playoff hockey than any other single position in any other playoff sport. I'll take my chances with Ryan Miller.
The Sharks have absolutely been my second-favorite team since their debut, simply because of their colors and logo. As an aside, I actually miss the Coyotes' original goofy Picasso-style logo; though I'm probably the only person in the world, besides the designer (who very well may have created it on a drunken dare), who liked it.
Linky
Absolutely, offenses like that don't grow on trees.
Nope, I like it. I have a jersey from that era, and I still like it more than their current ones.
Antti Niemi has an outstanding playoff run, and the Hawks at least make the finals. He is benched by next December, and is never heard from again.
Are they actually going to play Niemi? I don't think my blood pressure can handle Huet in net.
That being said:
SJ over Colorado in 7
Chicago over Nashville in 6
Vancouver over LA in 6
Detroit over Phoenix in 7
Washington over Montreal in 5
New Jersey over Philadelphia in 7
Buffalo over Boston in 5
Pittsburgh over Ottawa in 6
Detroit over SJ in 6
Chicago over Vancouver in 7
Washington over Pittsburgh in 7
Buffalo over New Jersey in 7
Chicago over Detroit in 7
Washington over Buffalo in 6
Washington over Chicago in 6
Niemi erased whatever doubt might have existed in the last two weeks. He's clearly the No. 1 guy.
Go Hawks.
He's definitely out for the first two games, but I heard this morning he might be back before the end of the series.
Yes. He's started the last 7. I think Huet has started less than a handful since the Olympics (and has been terrible in all of them). Niemi has been really good in those 7 games (6-0-1).
Absolutely. I think Q's mind was made up during the 8-3 debacle in Columbus. Huet's butt will not leave bench as long as Niemi can walk.
I am one Hawks' fan who wants NO part of Detroit. When Detroit and Anaheim were playing game 7 last year and the Hawks would face the winner, I was incredulous at all of the "we want Detroit" I heard from the fans. Hmmm...better team, no home-ice advantage, and rival that we always lose to vs. worse team and home ice? Hmmm....
Be careful what you wish for. I'd be quite happy to bypass Hockeytown this year, thanks.
No! Keep them away!
BAD TOUCH, BAD TOUCH, DO NOT WANT!!
Of course, Kim Johhnson is straight up MIA. who knows when he'll be back, if at all.
Come on, that's a reason why the Hawks won't win!
Be careful what you wish for. I'd be quite happy to bypass Hockeytown this year, thanks.
I'm not wishing for it, I just think that's how it's going to play out. Then again, wouldn't it be great to beat them on the way? Reminds me of the Bulls beating the Pistons in 91.
A few of my fan friends really hate Campbell. They think he's overpaid and bad. I agree with the first but not the second. Thoughts?
Playing Detroit this year in the conference finals, with this team, with home-ice advantage, with the Finals on the line...it's the ultimate high-risk, high-reward situation. Winning, finally beating those ####ers, would be ecstasy, while losing would be beyond distastrous. It's sort of like the Cubs meeting the White Sox in the World Series. Pass.
Have fun guys. Maybe someone can explain to me what the blue line is for if there is a break in the action.
I agree on Hendry, but pairing him with Sopel isn't helping him. I think he can eventually be a pretty good player, I just don't expect too much out of him this year. Buff makes more mistakes than you appear to be crediting him with, and Keith covers for a lot of them. It was nice having a total shut down pair, which we don't right now.
A few of my fan friends really hate Campbell. They think he's overpaid and bad. I agree with the first but not the second. Thoughts?
There's no question he's overpaid. But he is very good, and a great fit on this team. They need him for the PP and to help break traps. None of the other D can handle the puck as well. He seems to be underrated by most fans because Tallon overrated him.
He wasn't so hot last year, but he's been quite good this year. His backchecking and positioning has always been very competent, and he's done a great job of trap-busting this year. Its really something when a team's top two defensive pairings are not only defensively strong but can bring a solid transition game and play puck possession.
Of course no one seems to know how to put the puck in the net, the power play is an embarrassment, and they'll be riding the rookie while Thomas rides the pine.
It's going to go 7, there won't be a lot of scoring, and Boston will win the upset and go on the Cup finals where they'll play the Hawks.
More Kool-Aid, please!
The blue line exists to delineate where a player crosses into offsides. In order to eliminate cherry picking (I don't know, was there some era pre-blue line where this happened a lot) an offensive player cannot be past the line when the puck crosses over.
Or do you understand the rule and not understand why they bothered?
So, Kings fever not running high in your household? C'mon; give 'em a shot. The Lakers don't play every night. :-)
No, I really didn't know. I know even less about hockey and soccer than Jay Mariotti knows about interpersonal skills. Thanks.
Edit: Looked it up. Shut out 3 times, scored 5 goals in 5 games. Yikes. New rules now and all, so it probably won't be that bad, but still...good luck against Miller.
This. The Hawks are essentially starting two replacement level defensemen in Hendry and Sopel, and Byfuglien ain't a defensive stalwart either. At least with Byfuglien, though, he brings a pretty legit offensive game (compared to other defensemen).
A few of my fan friends really hate Campbell. They think he's overpaid and bad. I agree with the first but not the second. Thoughts?
I never really appreciated Campbell's puck carrying ability until he was gone. It's a really valuable asset that Campbell can essentially carry the puck through the neutral zone and into the other team's zone. I don't think he has any other "great" assets -- his shooting is very wild, his passing is just okay and his defensive positioning isn't elite. But his ability to skate makes up for a lot of deficiencies.
That being said, the contract is pretty terrible, and it (along with Huet's) will force the Hawks' hand this summer (it already has, actually -- I doubt Barker would've been dealt if not for the cap issues).
As an anecdote, my brother and I were at one of the Red Wings/Hawks games in Detroit last year. It was the game where Campbell made that behind-the-back, no look pass at the blueline that led to Detroit's OT winner. That image is firmly singed into my memory, so while I don't mind Campbell, I don't think I'll ever be particularly fond of him.
Maybe someone can explain to me what the blue line is for if there is a break in the action.
Okay -- so the puck has to be the first 'thing' to enter the zone. I guess the big thing is that this prevents cherry-picking. It also used to have some importance with the two-line pass, but that's been scrapped. Someone else can probably add to that or do a better job of explaining.
EDIT: Argh -- coke to #29.
Yeah, they'll need to tighten that up a bunch to get any further. I'm still optimistic about this series, though -- the defense was awful, Fleury was completely off his game, and they still lost by only one goal. Elliott looks very bad. If they can get more shots on goal (and Ottawa's whole team philosophy seems to be to prevent them) they should be fine.
Okay -- so the puck has to be the first 'thing' to enter the zone. I guess the big thing is that this prevents cherry-picking. It also used to have some importance with the two-line pass, but that's been scrapped. Someone else can probably add to that or do a better job of explaining.
That's really it. Once you understand offsides, most of the strategy starts to make sense. Defensemen are also referred to as "blue liners" or the team's "blue line" because that's typically where they are positioned when the team is attacking. By being just inside the blue line, they can contribute to the attack while still being in position to retreat when possession changes.
What would you guys say is the most likely first-round upset? San Jose doesn't have a great recent playoff history, but even with the loss yesterday I'd be shocked to see them bow out in round one. Detroit over Phoenix probably would only be considered a "technical" upset, so I'm not sure...
I was shocked that the Penguins were still in the game taking into account how badly they were playing. The Pens defense looked really slow out there and the Penguins have historically struggled against disciplined teams, so the last night should have basically been a blow out. Elliott looks really weak and if his glove hand is as weak as Malkin showed last night on his two goals, the Sens are going to be in trouble unless Fleury completely melts down.
The Sharks logo is an example of what started going wrong with pro sports in the 90's. They started the trend where every franchise identity must be Aggressive and Edgy and Hip and XXZTREME!. And because it worked - lots of suckers like you bought up Sharks merchandise - now every image and color in team sports is analyzed by committee for maximum marketing impact. Pro sports will not have any new simple elegant logos like the Cubs (just to pick one.) The Sharks weren't alone in the trend - the Orlando Magic is another offender, and several teams like the Marlins picked their colors to stick out for marketing purposes - but they were on the vanguard of it.
Ottawa over Pittsburg
Pittsburg is ripe for a fall and Ottawa has a great coach, star talent up front, and an emergin star in Karlson.
Philadelphia over New Jersey
Kovalchuk has cost himself millions of dollars with his play with Devils. The Flyers are better everyone but in net. It won't matter.
Buffalo over Boston
Boston sucks.
Washington over Montreal
Obvious
Detroit over Phoenix
Phoenix won't score enough over the course of the series
San Jose over Colorado
Colorado's presence in the playoffs are fluke. San Jose is done in the second round but thye can get by here
Vancouver over Los Angeles
Easy pick.
Chicago over Nashville
Likewise
Ottawa over Washington
Obviously I don't think Ottawa is better. However Ovechkin hasn't been the same since the Olympics and they look shaky to me. I'll take Ottawa
Philadelphia over Buffalo
Same as the Jersey series. Goaltending is overated.
Detroit over San Jose
San Jose isn't that good. Thorton is a bum.
Chicago over Vancouver
Best series of the playoffs. Stanley Cup winner comes from this series
Ottawa over Philadelphia
Chicago over Detroit
Chicago over Ottawa
More to the point, with the youngsters on D and Buffalo crashing the zone with 4 forecheckers the Bruins are going to have to figure out quickly how to keep the puck, break down the forecheck, find some seams to break it out and hopefully create some odd man rushes. THEN they have to get it by Miller.
So yeah, I think this scenario playing out and a quart or so of unicorn blood and the Bruins will advance.
That is all.
PP%
Overall: 17.7%
March: 14.3%
April: 10.0%
Fun with stats!
I seriously think most of the hate directed at Campbell is due to him being a ginger. Milton Bradley ain't know the half of it.
On balance justice was served in game 1. Several soft goals by both teams. Both goalkeepers are capable of better.
One of the things that speaks to game 1 being a fluke is that Ottawa's third line did an exceptional job of burying their chances. They generally generate a lot of chances but lack the skills to reliably finish them.
Yeah; damn those awful lime-green and purple abominations that are the Washington Nationals. No, wait, I meant the Columbus Blue Jackets. Um, Houston Texans? Oklahoma City Thunder? Ottawa Senators?
I just got called a sucker by some guy on the Internet! Yes! Today I am a MAN!
Washington in 5
NJ in 6
Buffalo in 6
Pittsburgh in 5
San Jose in 6
Vancouver in 6
Chicago in 5
Detroit in 5
Anyway, he's missing the point. What is awesome about the Sharks is that they kept those awful 90's-isms alive for two Decades, whereas the Rays, Diamondbacks, Coyotes, Ducks et. al all abandoned them for 'classic' colors and 'respectful' logos. Shows heart.
Isn't he actually a winger pressed into service as a defenseman?
The 'Hawks seem to have regained their balance in the last couple of weeks, as have the Sharks. The Olympic break really screwed up both teams.
I'm a 24 year old male. I love baseball (obviously; I'm on this site). I really like basketball (I always know which teams are good and who plays on what team, etc; I'm excited for the playoffs and will watch most of the games). I get football--I don't really know which teams are good anymore, and the players seem to switch teams all the time, but I can watch a game and know what's going on and not feel bored.
Put a soccer or golf or curling or boxing or whatever game on the tv, and even though I won't really know anyone involved, I can appreciate the competition. I'll know what the players/teams are trying to do, and what their opponents are trying to do to stop them.
And....I just don't get hockey at all. Never have, never will. I turn it on, and everything just seems completely random. I can't tell the difference between a good player and a bad player, because the goals just seem completely random...some guy takes a long shot, and a player closer to the net tries to deflect it with his stick.
So, I think that's the point at which I can't watch a sporting event. Until I can spot actual differences in the level of skill (as opposed to pure randomness), I just can't watch.
My two cents. Have fun! :)
The collars are probably getting tight in San Jose, but I can't see the Sharks choking again.
Montreal and Boston have no chance.
I'd put Nashville in this category but don't want to jinx anything, so I'll say I could see the Preds being disciplined, clogging the middle, successfully hounding Toews/Kane/Hossa, scoring key PP goals, and Rinne outright stealing a game or two...but I don't find it likely.
#5 beating #4's aren't "true" upsets; though like you, I would say Detroit is the favorite in this series.
I have a strange feeling about L.A. vs. Vancouver. I don't know why; the talented, battle-tested Canucks should run over the inexperienced Kings. But then, that's why it's an upset. :-)
The most "obvious" is Philadelphia over New Jersey, what with the Flyers owning the Devils so far this year. I'd say that's the series most are looking at for a shocker.
Rex Chapman & JR Reid were in teal years before Neil Wilkinson and Craig Coxe.
Funny, this is how I feel about basketball.
I think hockey is the one sport that, when played right, allows star players to really shine. My rooting interest is no more than casual, but you can really tell the difference between a fast player and a slow player, a player who knows how to handle the puck and one who doesn't.
And you can really tell when there's a mismatch in terms of team talent. A good team can almost literally skate circles around a bad team in the NHL.
I like the Kings' goalie, and in the playoffs, a hot goalie can take you a long way.
Seriously, I'm a huge fan, and feel like I'm in a lions' den with all you Blackhawks people.
I think the series between the 'Hawks and the Preds could go seven, but if it does the 'Hawks are gonna win. The Preds need Rinne to play like he did in March, and for Hornqvist to keep scoring, and Arnott to not get concussed, and Weber to keep being awesome.
Anyway, here are my predictions, made after last night:
SJ over Colorado in 5
Chicago over Nashville in 7
Vancouver over LA in 5
Phoenix over Detroit in 7
Washington over Montreal in 4
Philadelphia over Jersey in 6
Buffalo over Boston in 6
Pittsburgh over Ottawa in 7
Phoenix over SJ in 6
Chicago over Vancouver in 5
Washington over Philadelphia in 5
Pittsburgh over Buffalo in 7
Chicago over Phoenix in 5
Washington over Pittsburgh in 7
Washington over Chicago in 6
Hmm, looking at it, I have the Pens going to 7 games each round. Weird. Anyway, good hockey all.
Another '90's uniform change/now rechanged that I miss? The Washington Capitals eagle. I also hate the "Buffaslug" and miss their 90's uni as well.
That being said, I think the Rays, D-Backs and Ducks all changed for the better. And I don't think anyone misses the Islanders "Gorton's Fisherman"; probably the most laughably stupid logo I've ever seen: Linky
I would like to introduce you to the Wild Wing.
The heck with that. Go back to their crossed-swords under the buffalo logo fulltime.
The problem with Arizona is incorporating the awful "D-Backs" into their logo/nickname. A beautiful (if long) sports nickname did not need to be given the tiresome A-Rod treatment.
I'd have to double check, but since the restructuring of the Divisions, each 1st round, 2 division winners have lost. So my predictions:
Washington in 4
NJ in 7
Boston in 7 (yeah, Boston mostly sucks, but just a gut feeling on this one)
Pittsburgh in 6
San Jose in 7 (I'll even guess a Game 7 OT)
Chicago in 5
LA in 6
Detroit in 7
Washington in 5
NJ in 7
LA in 7
Chicago in a great 7 game series over Detroit
NJ in 6 vs Chicago in 5 and then to my dismay, the Blackhawks in 6. Which was my pick way back in October.
It is a great set of series though, and I think the only 'locks' are Washington in the first round, and Chicago in the first round. Beyond that, 6 tough series that will be all close games. You know, like last night.
Seriously, I'm a huge fan, and feel like I'm in a lions' den with all you Blackhawks people.
The city is really taking to the team, so there is a lot of energy and interest in the team. There was sort of a perfect storm of the team getting good, Wirtz dying, HDTV getting into a lot of homes and bars, and the games generally being back on TV that let the interest in the blackhawks explode.
Take me for instance. I never thought about hockey growing up because the 'hawks were never on TV and my dad was more into the Cubs and Bears. When I went to school in st. louis, I actually got to see the 'hawks from time to time, so I rather got into the whole thing. I came back to Chicago after graduation, and forgot about hockey until Wirtz died and they went back on TV. Sense a theme? So maybe this is just my own interest in not seeing myself as a bandwagoner, but I think the rebirth of interest is a lot different here in Chicago than the one-time interest sparked in places like Carolina.
Which is a very long way of saying, "sorry you've wandered into 'Hawks Therapy"
Cyclical talent movement. From '95 to about 2004, except for Detroit, Colorado, and Dallas, the West was a vast wasteland of uselessness.
Meanwhile, the East had the same top-end talent in Jersey, Philly, Pittsburgh, and Buffalo, whereas Toronto, Ottawa, Boston, Carolina, Washington, Florida, Montreal, and Tampa Bay would all fluctuate between the elite and the mid-card. Only the Rangers, Islanders, and (when they came around) Thrashers were habitually inept.
More then the "banned" one the Blues were going to unveil?
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/beanballinc/StLouisBlues96.jpg
As for picks,
SJ in 6
Chi in 6
LA in 7
Pho in 7
Wash in 5
NJ in 6
Bos in 7
Pens in 5(yeah that was before the first game, still think it will happen)
Just look at ticket sales and attendance. In less than a year, they went from less than 2,000 season ticket holders to a waiting list. You cannot scalp tickets for less than double face - that was for the regular season, I haven't looked at the playoff prices yet.
I followed the team pretty closely in the late'80s, early '90s, when the team was good and I was in high school. I well remember the season where Ed Belfour and Dominick Hasek were both on the team.
In the years following, however, Bill Wirtz really made one feel like a sucker for being a Blackhawks fan, so I drifted away. Wirtz really was like Mr. Burns, in almost every way.
I don't understand this. The Sharks' logo is just an adaptation of the Pittsburgh Penquins' logo. And it's not as if the Sharks were the Sharxx or Sharkz. Are you saying predetory animals and war-like humans weren't commonly used as mascots before the Sharks arrived? In the same metro area they already had the Spartans, Raiders, Bears, Invaders, and Warriors. If it was a trend, the Sharks were on the tail end of it.
I still enjoy telling new ("bandwagon" sounds so mean) fans about The Dark Ages of: Hackett, "superstar" Alex Zhamnov, missing the '98 playoffs when THAT didn't happen, Thibault, the ABC line, the '02 playoff fluke, a critical playoff game started by Steve F. Passmore, Drunk Theo Fleury, trading Steve Sullivan for nothing, the Michael Leighton/Craig Anderson Goaltender of the Future "duel", Tallon's slow-ass '05-'06 "I didn't understand the rules changes" team, Adrian Aucoin, a new coach every season, and other ######## I've managed to block from my memory.
In other words: no one missed much.
Bob Probert!
The '02 playoffs were kinda painful really. I knew they weren't going anywhere, and the Blues fans I was surrounded by were not too polite about the whole thing.
That's hilarious.
But how exactly did Hasek find his way from Chicago to Buffalo?
And to demonstrate my lack of snark, I will share my one memory of the Blackhawks of the past 15 years, which is when they embarassed the Leafs in the last game at the Gardens.
Plus, you do not have to live with alone with memories of Karpovtsev. We here in Toronto have those too.
Max Talbot -- role player? Max Talbot is a superstar.
His ability to make a pass just so in traffic is just amazing.
He was traded for [a pick that eventually became] the immortal Eric (put me in a) Daze!
In their defense, when you have an established, relatively-prime Ed Belfour it makes sense to trade a talented backup. You'd prefer a bit more return, though.
I got nothing. Even the Probert/Twist fights were all sound and little fury.
To be fair:
A. Ed Belfour led the Hawks to the finals the season they traded Hasek.
B. Hasek was good-but-not-great his first year in Buffalo. He didn't become DOMINIK HASEK until the next season, when he was already 28.
C. Um...the Hawks did get Eric (Baby Lindros) Daze out of the trade. :-)
Edit: dammit Zack! :-)
I remember the days when the ABC line was the future. In fact, I still wear my Ruutu jersey with pride. And I have to admit that I do take a sense of pleasure knowing that I didn't just "hop on" when they got good.
The '02 playoffs were kinda painful really. I knew they weren't going anywhere, and the Blues fans I was surrounded by were not too polite about the whole thing.
The only thing I remember from that series (I was 13 or so) was walking out into the concourse of the 300 level and seeing a fist fight between a Hawks and a Blues fan. There was some legit hatred going on in the stands that night.
I can't tell the difference between a good player and a bad player, because the goals just seem completely random...some guy takes a long shot, and a player closer to the net tries to deflect it with his stick.
I could see this being true for someone who doesn't watch much in the short-run. During the course of a season, though, if you can't tell the difference in skill between Patrick Kane and Adam Burish*, I'd have to question your judgment.
*Adam Burish is definitely the Hawks' "crappy player who somehow sells a lot of player T's and jerseys". Probably the best baseball comparisons are Podsednik from the Sox and Theriot of the Cubs (although that's an insult to the latter two, as they both have their uses. Burish just eats punches and gives face washes.).
Since there's no way to connect the current line of conversation with my all time favourite fight, I'll start wtih Porbert introducing a young Tie Domi to the NHL.
Link
This is my favorite hockey fight ever: Right here. I was actually watching the game when it happened, and was disgusted with the Flames coach for putting out a bunch of goons with 3 seconds left or whatever it was.
Ooooh Goalie fights!
You can't go wrong with those...I'd also add some others to that discussion
like...
Roy
and maybe
Roy
and, just to change things up with a Chicago connection, some verbal sparring between Roenick and
Roy
and this.
Washington over Montreal in 5
Philadelphia over New Jersey in six - the Flyers goal differential isn`t as bad as their seeding
Buffalo over Boston in 5
Pittsburgh over Ottawa in 5 - Obviously, I know what happened in Game 1, but I think Ottawa is just not that good
San Jose over Colorado in 5 - Again, Game 1 happened, but I think the Sharks are too much.
Hawks over Predators in 5
Canucks over Kings in 7
Coyotes over Red Wings in 7
Finals: Caps over Canucks in 6
Cam Ward did it in 2006
You can't go wrong with those...I'd also add some others to that discussion
like...
Roy
and maybe
Roy
Roy is a real ass. Plus he gets it kicked all the time.
If the Leafs had just kept Rask, the better goalie, they'd have been able to save picks and money.
I don't think Rask is quite as good as his numbers indicate this year but he's definitely an elite goalie.
But you're forgetting that the Leafs already had their goalie of the future in Justin Pogge!
So
all's well that ends well.
EDIT: Also...Leafs and Mets fan? Ouch. (Says the Leafs and Jays fan)
EDIT: Also...Leafs and Mets fan? Ouch. (Says the Leafs and Jays fan)
I'm a masochist.
It should have been a penalty shot. That was a phenomenal series, but that play still pisses me off.
Ahem
If you kept Rask, then you wouldn't need to find an opponent for a goalie fight. Rask would just fight the actual arena. Link
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