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OT: NHL Playoff Thread

I estimate that only 10-12 Primates care about the NHL Playoffs, but with our own thread, we won’t detract from what this site is really about: the NBA playoffs and Pavement’s discography.

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   601. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 10, 2010 at 02:25 AM (#3555085)
this is an excting period
   602. steagles Posted: June 10, 2010 at 02:27 AM (#3555087)
this is an excting period
it's great hockey now that every stray stick foul isn't being called.

again though, it'd be a coup if the flyers could send this back to chicago.
   603. steagles Posted: June 10, 2010 at 02:35 AM (#3555091)
YES!!!!
   604. steagles Posted: June 10, 2010 at 02:36 AM (#3555092)
hartnell with his second of the night.

and leino with his 2nd assist.
   605. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 10, 2010 at 02:36 AM (#3555093)
this last 3 and a half is going to be crazy
   606. steagles Posted: June 10, 2010 at 02:38 AM (#3555094)
carter needs to one time that.
   607. steagles Posted: June 10, 2010 at 02:41 AM (#3555096)
how did carter miss that??
   608. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: June 10, 2010 at 02:41 AM (#3555097)
Niemi!!!
   609. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 10, 2010 at 02:45 AM (#3555100)
sudden death. great period
   610. steagles Posted: June 10, 2010 at 02:53 AM (#3555103)
my money's on hossa for the game winner.
   611. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 10, 2010 at 03:07 AM (#3555110)
hawks win
   612. steagles Posted: June 10, 2010 at 03:07 AM (#3555111)
it had to be the kid with the ####### mullet.
   613. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: June 10, 2010 at 03:11 AM (#3555113)
Yes.
   614. steagles Posted: June 10, 2010 at 03:11 AM (#3555114)
what a ####### shitty way to end two of the greatest tournaments this century. crosby and that ####### mullet. two OT tournament clinching goals. crosby and a kid with a ####### mullet.

just sickening.
   615. steagles Posted: June 10, 2010 at 03:13 AM (#3555115)
i'm happy for hossa, though.


and byfuglien. and that whole D corps. toews is tremendous. bolland was hella impressive.


that's a great team that won.


but really, the winner had to be the kid with a ####### mullet.
   616. Justin T is going to crush some tacos Thursday Posted: June 10, 2010 at 03:20 AM (#3555120)
The mullet doesn't even begin to exemplify the human piece of trash that he is either. Instead of remembering that he scored this goal, I will instead remember him skating up to take the Cup from Kopecky, who then swerved away and gave it to Ben effing Eager instead. That was fantastic.
   617. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 10, 2010 at 03:22 AM (#3555122)
The funniest part about the winning goal was watching half of Kane's teammates step on to the ice in bewilderment while he's celebrating the goal.
"Yeah...uh...woo hoo...um...good going, I think."

Also, the CBC microphones picked him up yelling "We won the f*cking cup! We won the f*cking cup!"
But we're Canadian, so we won't make a big deal about some foul-mouthed American kid.
   618. steagles Posted: June 10, 2010 at 03:23 AM (#3555123)

The mullet doesn't even begin to exemplify the human piece of trash that he is either. Instead of remembering that he scored this goal, I will instead remember him skating up to take the Cup from Kopecky, who then swerved away and gave it to Ben effing Eager instead. That was fantastic.
that needs to be gif'd.
   619. Zipperholes Posted: June 10, 2010 at 03:28 AM (#3555128)
I hope he doesn't have to take a cab home after tonight's party. I hear Philly cab drivers are tougher than Buffalo's.
   620. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: June 10, 2010 at 03:32 AM (#3555130)
roenick started to break down on the air
   621. steagles Posted: June 10, 2010 at 03:33 AM (#3555131)
roenick started to break down on the air


he bet on leighton.
   622. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: June 10, 2010 at 03:34 AM (#3555132)
Completely deserved win. The Hawks controlled the game outside of OT, and gave up a completely unlucky game-tying goal.

Also -- what's less classy -- cheering during the anthem or staying to boo the Hawks as they lift the Cup? Well done, Philly.

FTW! Cheers to all resident BTF 'Hawk fans!
   623. steagles Posted: June 10, 2010 at 03:39 AM (#3555134)

Also -- what's less classy -- cheering during the anthem or staying to boo the Hawks as they lift the Cup? Well done, Philly.

FTW!


hey. patrick kane gets to walk out of the arena not being pelted by batteries. i'd call that a win from your point of view.
   624. Papa Squid Posted: June 10, 2010 at 01:30 PM (#3555269)
Csn't believe "Maid" Marian Hossa finally has his ring. Bryan Berard's bad eye is rolling in its grave!!
   625. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: June 10, 2010 at 01:55 PM (#3555303)
Also -- what's less classy -- cheering during the anthem or staying to boo the Hawks as they lift the Cup? Well done, Philly.

They even booed Jonathan Toews. How do you boo Jonathan Toews?
   626. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: June 10, 2010 at 02:20 PM (#3555327)
They even booed Jonathan Toews. How do you boo Jonathan Toews?

You call that booing? :) J. D. Drew, now that's booing. It's all very silly, of course. It's been how long since Drew spurned Philly? And it's American to turn down a job offer.
   627. JL Posted: June 10, 2010 at 03:10 PM (#3555398)
Congrats to the Hawks. I very nice season. And to Hossa. He deserved to win one!
   628. steagles Posted: June 10, 2010 at 08:22 PM (#3555816)
chicago won the cup last night. toews won the conn smythe.


today, though, there's this:


tsnjamesduthie

Toews gets a 1.3 million bonus for winning Conn. Because Chi was at cap, it will count against next year, so add that to their cap issues.
   629. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 10, 2010 at 08:28 PM (#3555828)
Also -- what's less classy -- cheering during the anthem or staying to boo the Hawks as they lift the Cup? Well done, Philly.

I don't know if they were booing the raising of the Cup, or just left over booing for Gary Bettman.

Everyone boos Bettman.

Everyone.
   630. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: June 10, 2010 at 08:53 PM (#3555863)
I don't know if they were booing the raising of the Cup, or just left over booing for Gary Bettman.

There were scattered boos (and no cheers) for Bettman. The boos actually increased when they announced the Conn Smythe winner, and again when Toews lifted the cup.
   631. Jimmy P Posted: June 10, 2010 at 08:58 PM (#3555867)
Everyone boos Bettman.

Well deserved, too. Take your ratings win from this series and get the NHL back on tv, on a real sports channel, more than once a week.
   632. steagles Posted: June 10, 2010 at 09:40 PM (#3555899)
courtesy of puck the media:

Game #6 between the Blackhawks and Philadelphia Flyers...scored a hockey-massive 5.7/10 overnight rating, likely making it the highest rated National Hockey League game in 37 years, breaking a mark that last year’s Penguins/Red Wings Game 7 set. This is perhaps the highest-rated game on record, and the first time I’ve ever seen a 10-share associated with an NHL game.

The game peaked from 11-11:30PM with a terrific 7.1/13. The game finished in 2nd place overall in the ratings from 8-10PM, while the lowest rated half-hour was 8PM again, with a 4.3/8, topping almost every half-hour of Game 1. The game averaged a 6.6/11 in the 10PM hour, winning that particular timeslot, before coming up with the huge 7.1 rating after 11PM. The telecast ended at 11:30 PM. The game scored a total 5.5/9 in primetime.

Overall, the game was up 30% from last year’s Game 6 (a 4.4/7). Overnights from Game 7 of last year’s record-setting Penguins/Red Wings game are unavailable. Numbers are preliminary, but all indications from the metered markets are that this game will break that game’s ratings, as the game drew a final rating of 4.2 and 7.9 million viewers, and the ratings for Devils/Mighty Ducks in ’03 (4.6, 7.1 million viewers) to become the highest-rated hockey game since 1973.

There’ll be more later. You can bet on it. Even in my wildest imaginations I couldn’t have drawn this figure up. This is going to be a very good day for our sport.
   633. Justin T is going to crush some tacos Thursday Posted: June 10, 2010 at 10:28 PM (#3555931)
Just in time for the next lockout!
   634. steagles Posted: June 16, 2010 at 11:37 PM (#3561360)
apparently todd bertuzzi resigned with the red wings for 2 years with a cap hit around 2 million per.
   635. Jimmy P Posted: June 17, 2010 at 10:20 PM (#3562308)
Halak was traded to the Blues for two prospects. Thanks for the Conference Finals run, have fun in St. Louis
   636. Justin T is going to crush some tacos Thursday Posted: June 17, 2010 at 11:36 PM (#3562372)
I don't follow hockey prospects much at all, but one of those guys was #13 overall a few years ago. The other seems capable as well. But it is still a stunner, mainly because it seems rushed. Is there no way the Habs could have found a better deal a little later?

If this signals that the team is getting ahead of the curve in terms of valuing goalies (in that they didn't feel like they had to give him a Fleury contract because of a good run in the playoffs), that's a good thing I suppose.
   637. steagles Posted: June 19, 2010 at 06:21 PM (#3564335)
ryan parent was traded to the flyers' farm team in nashville in exchange for the rights of soon to be free agent dan hamhuis and a conditional 2011 draft pick.

the flyers had been linked to hamhuis at the trading deadline, but since they were at the cap and playing like ####, no deal was completed.
   638. steagles Posted: June 19, 2010 at 11:26 PM (#3564564)
also nashville traded jason arnott back to NJ.
   639. Jimmy P Posted: June 20, 2010 at 07:13 PM (#3565091)
ryan parent was traded to the flyers' farm team in nashville in exchange for the rights of soon to be free agent dan hamhuis and a conditional 2011 draft pick.

Does this help the Flyers any? This does give them another defensemen, so they have 5 dependable ones instead of 4, but is this a huge add?

also nashville traded jason arnott back to NJ.

Nashville needs to move. They never pay anyone, they never win, the city doesn't care. They should be the Hamilton Predators.
   640. steagles Posted: June 22, 2010 at 07:33 PM (#3566836)

Does this help the Flyers any? This does give them another defensemen, so they have 5 dependable ones instead of 4, but is this a huge add?
chris pronger will be 36 years old, and played 111 games this season including the playoffs and olympics, so yeah, i'd say that having a 5th Dman is pretty big since the fatigue will be a huge factor at some point next year for all 4 top dmen, and especially pronger and timonen next year.

Nashville needs to move. They never pay anyone, they never win, the city doesn't care. They should be the Hamilton Predators.
seconded.
   641. JL Posted: June 23, 2010 at 06:38 PM (#3567970)
Thoughts on the awards tonight? My WAG:

Vezina - Miller
Selke - Datsyuk
Bing - St. Louis
Calder - Howard
Norris - Keith
Masterton - Ortmeyer
Adams - Tippet
Hart - Crosby
Lindsey (formerly Pearson) - Sedin
Messier - Doan
NHL Foundation - Miller
   642. steagles Posted: June 23, 2010 at 10:14 PM (#3568254)

Dustin Byfuglien, one of the breakout players for the Stanley Cup-winning Blackhawks last season, is in the process of being traded to the Thrashers, pending a trade call. Byfuglien, along with Brent Sopel, Ben Eager and Akim Aliu, will be headed to Atlanta in exchange for the 24th overall pick at the 2010 NHL Entry Draft, the 54th pick, Marty Reasoner and Jeremy Morin
...
   643. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: June 23, 2010 at 10:15 PM (#3568255)
The salary cap purge has begun, dramatically, in Chicago:

The Chicago Blackhawks made a blockbuster trade with the Thrashers on Wednesday, the Stanley Cup champions moving Dustin Byfuglien, Ben Eager, Brent Sopel and a prospect to Atlanta for a first-round pick, a second-round pick, prospect Jeremy Morin and veteran forward Marty Reasoner, a source told ESPN.com.

The first- and second-round picks that Chicago get in the deal were acquired by Atlanta in the trade that sent Ilya Kovalchuk to New Jersey last February.

The prospect Atlanta is getting from Chicago is Akim Aliu.


Hawks save about $5mil. Morin is supposed to be a decent prospect, or so I'm seeing.

Depending on what type of deal Niemi gets, this might be the only big move they have to make. If they let some other FAs go (Burish, Bickell, Madden, Boyton), they probably can resign Niemi, Hjalmarsson, Ladd, and Hendry.

Buff was the guy all along I was saying needed to go - his value was more than his production. But he had a helluva playoff run and he'll always be a fan favorite here. So part of me is sad to see him go, but this was the smart move.
   644. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: June 23, 2010 at 10:24 PM (#3568267)
That cap space is assuming they send Huet to Rockford. Otherwise, there's still more work to do.
   645. steagles Posted: June 23, 2010 at 10:30 PM (#3568274)
steve downie and akim aliu in the same division could make for some tremendous hysterics considering their history.

also, with sopel gone, who's on the third pair for chicago?
   646. Jimmy P Posted: June 23, 2010 at 10:50 PM (#3568285)
That cap space is assuming they send Huet to Rockford. Otherwise, there's still more work to do.

This is a no-brainer

The salary cap purge has begun, dramatically, in Chicago:

This is highway robbery by the Hawks. They have to take that. I'm a huge Byfuglien fan, finding guys that big that can skate and have soft hands is tough, but a first and a second rounder for Big Buff and a #5 d-man? That's easy.

If they let some other FAs go (Burish, Bickell, Madden, Boyton), they probably can resign Niemi, Hjalmarsson, Ladd, and Hendry.


Sure. They should be able to keep Versteeg now. Burish, Bickell, and Boynton are all replacement level and shouldn't earn more than the minimum.
   647. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: June 23, 2010 at 11:59 PM (#3568357)
also, with sopel gone, who's on the third pair for chicago?

Well, if that's the biggest question mark the Hawks have, I'll take it.

I don't know the answer quite yet, and they might decide to pass on resigning Hendry (he did get benched for Boyton for games 5 and 6), so they might need to figure out both parts of that pair.

Or they'll just make the top 4 play the whole game.
   648. steagles Posted: June 24, 2010 at 12:06 AM (#3568370)
Or they'll just make the top 4 play the whole game.
worked for the flyers.
   649. Gaelan Posted: June 24, 2010 at 12:42 AM (#3568404)
That's a fantastic trade for Chicago. Atlanta's GM is dumb.
   650. steagles Posted: June 24, 2010 at 12:56 AM (#3568421)
That's a fantastic trade for Chicago. Atlanta's GM is dumb.
really? sopel logged 18 minutes a game in the playoffs. byfuglien was up over 16.

i don't really follow the NHL draft anymore, but i don't think the average 24th pick would project to have that kind of value, at least not on average, and even if he does make a big impact, it won't likely be for 2-3 years.
   651. Jimmy P Posted: June 24, 2010 at 01:14 AM (#3568448)
i don't really follow the NHL draft anymore, but i don't think the average 24th pick would project to have that kind of value, at least not on average, and even if he does make a big impact, it won't likely be for 2-3 years.

The Hawks had absolutely no leverage, though. EVERYONE in the NHL knew they had to dump players. To get rid of one player they'd normally keep (Buff) and a third line defensemen and still get a 1st and a 2nd while having zero leverage, that's a nice trade.
   652. zack Posted: June 24, 2010 at 01:53 PM (#3568692)
I don't get it at all from Atlanta's perspective. They're not at a place where they can really use Byfuglien's skills.
   653. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: June 24, 2010 at 03:42 PM (#3568909)
This Dustin Buttfugly trade reminds me of when Trot Nixon left the Red Sox for the Indians. Both teams' fans thought they lost out on that transaction. Red Sox fans loved him for irrational reasons and Indians fans had no interest in him at all. Mystique quickly vanished.
   654. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: June 24, 2010 at 04:16 PM (#3569009)
Perhaps, except no one on the Hawks side thinks the Hawks lost. Everyone's happy with it.

Well, I'm sure there's people that don't know about the salary cap that are upset he's gone.
   655. steagles Posted: June 24, 2010 at 06:13 PM (#3569192)
tweet from the biggest clown who reports on the flyers:

tpanotch #Flyers and Dan Hamhuis camp are NOT close on a deal
2 minutes ago


not that there's 6 more days of an exclusive negotiating window, or anything.


i will say that, though parent wasn't a huge loss, it will be a disappointment if they can't lock down hamhuis in the next week.
   656. The Original SJ Posted: June 30, 2010 at 04:15 PM (#3575184)
Free Agent Predictions? Buffalo gets one of Kubina or Martin and Stempniak. i would love to see Lombardi, if only so I don't have to acquire him when I purchase next years video game.

As for the rest of the league, who cares?
   657. Jimmy P Posted: June 30, 2010 at 09:13 PM (#3575480)
Free Agent Predictions?

The Pens, Flyers, and Sharks all have to do something. They're close, and their windows are closing.

I'm curious to see where Nabakov lands.

i will say that, though parent wasn't a huge loss, it will be a disappointment if they can't lock down hamhuis in the next week.

How you feeling about this now?
   658. Jimmy P Posted: July 01, 2010 at 03:53 PM (#3576012)
The Hawks traded Kris Versteeg and a minor leaguer to the Leafs for Stalburg and two minor leaguers. Ah, the Huet and Campbell contracts, the gifts that keep on giving.
   659. Jimmy P Posted: July 01, 2010 at 06:28 PM (#3576203)
The Senators took Gonchar. 3 years, $16.5 million
   660. The Original SJ Posted: July 01, 2010 at 06:28 PM (#3576204)
the grace period is now 2 weeks. People can now apparently begin whining 2 weeks after their favorite team wins the cup.

Just sayin' those gifts got you a cup.
   661. JL Posted: July 01, 2010 at 06:29 PM (#3576206)
The Pens, Flyers, and Sharks all have to do something. They're close, and their windows are closing.

Gonchar signed with the Sens (3/$16.5). Another areas for the Pens to address, but it does free up some cap room.

[Edit] Coke to Jimmy P.
   662. Jimmy P Posted: July 01, 2010 at 06:33 PM (#3576209)
Just sayin' those gifts got you a cup.

Campbell, maybe. Huet? The only gift that he gave was being so shitty that they found Niemi.

Added: And, while I like Campbell as a player, I believe he's one of the three highest paid guys on the team. He isn't that good. Those were horrible contracts. They were horrible the day they were signed, and Tallon deserved to be fired for them (and a few other big mistakes he made).
   663. JL Posted: July 01, 2010 at 06:43 PM (#3576220)
Pittsburgh signed Paul Martin and Zbynek Michalek.

A whole lot of signings at http://www.kuklaskorner.com
   664. steagles Posted: July 01, 2010 at 06:46 PM (#3576225)

i will say that, though parent wasn't a huge loss, it will be a disappointment if they can't lock down hamhuis in the next week.


How you feeling about this now?
not nearly as bad for losing parent as i am for gaining jody shelley. 3 years? and at more than a million a season? for a 34 year old goon? and not even a goon who's got some kind of redeeming quality, either. he's not a heavyweight, he's not a PKer, he doesn't have a good shot, he's not a faceoff ace.


im just hearing that boogard is looking at 4 years/6 million via the rangers. these numbers are mindboggling.
   665. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: July 01, 2010 at 06:54 PM (#3576233)
Added: And, while I like Campbell as a player, I believe he's one of the three highest paid guys on the team. He isn't that good. Those were horrible contracts. They were horrible the day they were signed, and Tallon deserved to be fired for them (and a few other big mistakes he made).

Mistakes Tallon made: Huet, the RFA mixup last year (which resulted in the bigger deals for Brouwer, Buff, Versteeg and Bolland), and must less so Campbell
Positive: EVERTYHING ELSE - the entire roster and the coaching staff.

Result: Net Positive (and not close). He did not *deserve* to be fired.

And the Versteeg trade isn't that bad. It sucks they lose him, but he was pretty damn inconsistent and downright maddenning at times. Talented, sure, but undersized.
   666. ursus arctos Posted: July 01, 2010 at 07:01 PM (#3576243)
Boogard reportedly got 1.65 million for each of four years.

Any time anyone challenges their crown as the dumbest management team in sports, the Dolans just up the ante.
   667. steagles Posted: July 01, 2010 at 07:24 PM (#3576282)
right now the flyers look like this:

forwards (12 players, 35.543)
gagne-5.250
richards-5.750
hartnell-4.200
briere-6.500
leino-.800
JVR-1.654
giroux-.822
carter-5.000
cote-.550
shelley-1.100
betts-.700
laperriere-1.167

defense (7 players, 23.492)
pronger-4.921
carle-3.438
timonen-6.333
coburn-3.200
meszaros-4.000
o'donnell-1.000
bartulis-.600

goalie (2 players, 2.480)
boucher-.925
leighton-1.55


the only 2 RFAs left unsigned are carcillo and darrell powe. i don't see why the flyers would have signed jody shelley if they planned on keeping carcillo, but powe should be in the plans for the 4th line.

the team needs two wingers. 1 to put next to richards, and the other to pair up with claude giroux. i'd prefer a strong checker on richards' wing, and hope for a good scorer on giroux's.

something's gotta be done on the jeff carter front. the top 3 centers on this team should be set in stone after these playoffs, and that leaves carter as the $5 million odd man out. i'd be interested (i think that's the right word) in seeing if he can make a go on giroux's wing, but with the cap being what it is, that opportunity might not come. strengthing the defense (which has already been done) should be the main priority, so if the choice comes down to keeping matt carle, or jeff carter, i'd think hard about keeping the D man.
   668. Eddo Posted: July 01, 2010 at 07:41 PM (#3576305)
Mistakes Tallon made: Huet, the RFA mixup last year (which resulted in the bigger deals for Brouwer, Buff, Versteeg and Bolland), and must less so Campbell
Positive: EVERTYHING ELSE - the entire roster and the coaching staff.

Result: Net Positive (and not close). He did not *deserve* to be fired.

And the Versteeg trade isn't that bad. It sucks they lose him, but he was pretty damn inconsistent and downright maddenning at times. Talented, sure, but undersized.

I agree with all of this. They'll miss Versteeg a bit, but given that two of Byfuglien, Versteeg, Ladd, Sharp, Hjalmarsson, and Niemi had to go for cap reasons, Buff and Steeg were the two clear choices, in my opinion.
   669. zack Posted: July 01, 2010 at 07:51 PM (#3576315)
Hjalmarsson, Sharp, Ladd, Niemi, Versteeg, Byfuglien, in that order. But I'm down on Niemi.

That Boogard news is just brain-rending.
   670. Eddo Posted: July 01, 2010 at 08:00 PM (#3576322)
Hjalmarsson, Sharp, Ladd, Niemi, Versteeg, Byfuglien, in that order. But I'm down on Niemi.

That's actually the order I'd list them, too, though Ladd and Niemi are really close.
   671. ursus arctos Posted: July 01, 2010 at 08:05 PM (#3576327)
Speaking of brain-rending, it looks like Oli Jokinen is on his way back to Calgary.
   672. The Original SJ Posted: July 01, 2010 at 08:06 PM (#3576329)
Moses, whats up with the non lounging? and are you still coming to NoVa?
   673. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: July 01, 2010 at 08:10 PM (#3576333)
Wait, what order is that zack? The order of importance/worth keeping? If so, I agree. And I'd have to think it's pretty close to how the Bowmans see it too.
   674. Eddo Posted: July 01, 2010 at 08:22 PM (#3576347)
Wait, what order is that zack? The order of importance/worth keeping? If so, I agree. And I'd have to think it's pretty close to how the Bowmans see it too.

That's how I interpreted it, at least.
   675. Jimmy P Posted: July 01, 2010 at 08:32 PM (#3576360)
Hjalmarsson, Sharp, Ladd, Niemi, Versteeg, Byfuglien, in that order. But I'm down on Niemi.

That's higher on Ladd and Niemi than I am. I'm actually down the most on Versteeg. But Hjalmarsson and Sharp were the two they had to keep the most.

And the Versteeg trade isn't that bad.

No, it wasn't. But, it would've been nice to keep him and Buff and not worry about Campbell's bloated salary. Even more than the salary, the years on that deal were horrible.
   676. zack Posted: July 01, 2010 at 09:24 PM (#3576401)
Heh, I was just checking Ladd's salary on capgeek to see if he was making more than I thought I was, couldn't find him on the page and thought I was going crazy.

Andrew Ladd traded to the Atlanta 'Hawks "in exchange for a 2nd round draft pick and defensive prospect Ivan Vishnevskiy."
   677. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: July 01, 2010 at 09:26 PM (#3576403)
Perspective, geez. They won the ####### cup. Be happy for once in your damn life.

---

SCH is saying there are rumors the Hawks have traded Ladd to Atlanta for a prospect and pick. That sucks. He's less replaceable than Buff or Versteeg, but if he's getting offers that are too big...

I thought by trading Buff and Versteeg they'd be able to keep all the RFAs. I hope this doesn't mean Niemi is getting that big of a deal; I'd rather roll the dice on another goalie than give up Ladd. Losing 3 of the top 6 forwards is really gonna stink. Maybe they've got something coming in for 2nd line center and Sharp's going back to the wing. That'll make this easier to swallow.
   678. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: July 01, 2010 at 09:30 PM (#3576405)
I'm seeing his deal is going to be for more than $3mil. That's almost double what he made last year ($1.6mil). That's probably too much, but the Hawks still have to start bringing in guys that can play next year.
   679. zack Posted: July 01, 2010 at 09:37 PM (#3576410)
So, with about $9mil in cap space*, currently we're looking at lines something like:

Brouwer - Toews - Kane
Kopecky - Sharp - Hossa
Beach? - Bolland - Bickell?
Stalberg? - The Pride of Honeoye Falls - ?

And I thought last year was "let the kids play".

*(assuming they eat Huet)
   680. Jimmy P Posted: July 01, 2010 at 09:49 PM (#3576417)
Stalberg? - The Pride of Honeoye Falls - ?

Burish probably is one of these. He'll be cheap, in theory.

Other than that, it's the 4th line. 10-15 minutes a game? These guys aren't too difficult to find.

I'm seeing his deal is going to be for more than $3mil. That's almost double what he made last year ($1.6mil).

His meaning Niemi? That's more than you'd like, but compared to other goalies, that's probably not too bad. Look at how much guys like Cam Ward make.
   681. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: July 01, 2010 at 09:55 PM (#3576425)
Yeah, probably Bickell. Switch Beach and Stalberg, and Beach might not play yet. Maybe Burish will be back now? Skille? Is the 3rd D pairing going to be Hendry/Boyton?

They have to be adding someone.
   682. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: July 01, 2010 at 09:55 PM (#3576426)
His meaning Niemi? That's more than you'd like, but compared to other goalies, that's probably not too bad. Look at how much guys like Cam Ward make.

Ladd.
   683. Jimmy P Posted: July 01, 2010 at 10:01 PM (#3576431)
Ladd.

Wow. I always liked the guy and thought Carolina really undervalued him, but he's not a $3 million a year guy.
   684. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: July 01, 2010 at 10:07 PM (#3576433)
Exactly. They can't match that. Getting a pick and prospect is a decent consolation.
   685. zack Posted: July 01, 2010 at 10:21 PM (#3576437)
Burish signed with the Stars for a $1.15 hit. I'd say the 'hawks need two forwards in that price range. Kyle Wellwood?
   686. Jimmy P Posted: July 02, 2010 at 03:26 PM (#3576857)
i will say that, though parent wasn't a huge loss, it will be a disappointment if they can't lock down hamhuis in the next week.

Vancouver locked him down. And Pittsburgh got Martin, the Devils got Volchenkov, and the Sens took Gonchar. Are there any top D men left?
   687. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: July 02, 2010 at 03:54 PM (#3576897)
Burish signed with the Stars for a $1.15 hit. I'd say the 'hawks need two forwards in that price range. Kyle Wellwood?

How's John Scott sound? I guess he's the designated fighter now, with Eager, Burish, Buff and Ladd gone.
   688. The Original SJ Posted: July 02, 2010 at 04:00 PM (#3576906)
I don't hate the Leopold signing. It is ok. I would like to see Lombardi, but I think Stempniak is more likely.
   689. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: July 02, 2010 at 04:01 PM (#3576907)
Burish signed with the Stars for a $1.15 hit. I'd say the 'hawks need two forwards in that price range. Kyle Wellwood?


I have no idea why anyone would sign a fungible fourth line winger to more than the league minimum.
   690. Random Transaction Generator Posted: July 02, 2010 at 04:20 PM (#3576929)
Vancouver locked him down. And Pittsburgh got Martin, the Devils got Volchenkov, and the Sens took Gonchar. Are there any top D men left?

Tomas Kaberle is available for trade.
   691. Jimmy P Posted: July 02, 2010 at 06:33 PM (#3577103)
I have no idea why anyone would sign a fungible fourth line winger to more than the league minimum.

I don't either, man. Burish and Eager are nice players, but paying more than the minimum for them is pretty crazy. Guys like this are found all through the minors.
   692. zack Posted: July 09, 2010 at 08:02 PM (#3583775)
Aww, Penis. The Sharks offer sheet'd Hjallmarsson, for a $3.5mil cap hit. I figured the 'Hawks would need to ante up 2.5-3 to keep him, but even that extra $500k is problematic for them right now. Worse still, the Sharks will be good next year so the compensation picks are fairly worthless. Great move by the Sharks, ####.

Welcome to the Corey Crawford era!
   693. steagles Posted: July 09, 2010 at 09:47 PM (#3583974)
flyers seem to have agreed on a deal with nikolai zherdev. him and giroux should be a hell of a combo if he comes in good shape. add briere, leino, richards, and 2 of gagne, hartnell, and carter, and that should be a pretty solid top 9.


apparently the cap number is 1 year/2 million. there's a lot of upside in this deal.
   694. Greg K Posted: July 09, 2010 at 10:11 PM (#3584019)
Speaking of brain-rending, it looks like Oli Jokinen is on his way back to Calgary.

My friend who's a big Flames fan is pretty happy with it. At just over half of what they were paying him, it doesn't seem like a bad idea.
   695. Jimmy P Posted: July 12, 2010 at 06:31 PM (#3587010)
Speaking of brain-rending, it looks like Oli Jokinen is on his way back to Calgary.

I can't figure out that team. It seems they have the talent to be better, but aren't.
   696. steagles Posted: July 20, 2010 at 01:39 AM (#3593689)
17 years, 102 million for kovalchuk. i haven't seen the breakdown, but my guess is he'll bolt for russia within 6 years.
   697. Good cripple hitter Posted: July 20, 2010 at 03:01 AM (#3593821)
Might want to wait a bit before he does that. First two years are 6 million, then the next 5 are 11.5, then 8.5, 6.5, 3.5, 750 K, and the last 5 years are 550 K.

I haven't followed the NHL closely in years, but that's a ridiculous contract.
   698. Justin T is going to crush some tacos Thursday Posted: July 20, 2010 at 03:16 AM (#3593831)
Kovalchuk must have REALLY wanted to get a $100M deal.
   699. Jimmy P Posted: July 20, 2010 at 03:49 PM (#3594107)
I haven't followed the NHL closely in years, but that's a ridiculous contract.

Fun with the salary cap. The cap hit is the average rate, so if you extend the deals way out, you lower the hit. Then, there's some rule that if you buy out the last few years, you can take the cap hit at once and it's off the books. That's why you see guys get these huge deals until they're ~40, but the last 3-5 years are at $500k, the team's can buy that out pretty easily. The NHL looked into this last year after Hossa got his 8(?) year deal from the Blackhawks, but it's all within the rules.

Kovalchuk must have REALLY wanted to get a $100M deal.

You wouldn't? It's $100M!
   700. Jimmy P Posted: July 20, 2010 at 11:17 PM (#3594558)
Simon Gagne is now on the Lightning.
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