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OT: NHL Playoff Thread

I estimate that only 10-12 Primates care about the NHL Playoffs, but with our own thread, we won’t detract from what this site is really about: the NBA playoffs and Pavement’s discography.

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   901. ursus arctos Posted: March 07, 2011 at 08:03 PM (#3765478)
Empty net goals alone are enough for one to question Pythags for hockey, but I also tend to think that the correlation is not as high even if you exclude those.
   902. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: March 09, 2011 at 08:32 AM (#3766963)
The Leafs played the Islanders last night and were extremely lucky to get a point. Amazing stat from the Toronto Star. The Easter conference teams with the most points since Dec. 15th are the Bruins, Devils, and Islanders. It's amazing that two of those teams probably won't make the playoffs this year.
   903. Cabbage Posted: March 09, 2011 at 06:02 PM (#3767191)
Hawks streak ends. Voukun really shut the door at the end. THat's the way the puck bounces some times.

I remain rather confident that they'll keep the pedal to the metal.
   904. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: March 09, 2011 at 06:34 PM (#3767229)
I'd say I follow both MLB and the NHL very closely. Of the 60 teams in these leagues, the Florida Panthers are the team I know least about. Before last night's game against the Hawks, I was only able to name four players on their roster- David Booth, Tomas Vokoun, Jack Skille, and Stephen Weiss.

Vokoun did have a very nice game last night. The Hawks were in pursuit of him a few years back, though I can't remember what they were willing to give up for him.
   905. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: March 09, 2011 at 06:35 PM (#3767231)
Agreed, Cabbage. Outside of parts of the first, the Hawks really outplayed the Panthers but didn't capitalize. Crawford had to be tired and in need a break, and he had a bad period. Turco had some good saves, but really wasn't challenged (partly because Fla was never trailing, partly because how well the defense played).
   906. Flynn Posted: March 09, 2011 at 06:44 PM (#3767243)
Max Pacioretty with a severe concussion and a C4 vertebrae fracture. And Zdeno Chara will probably get a 2 game vacation from it. Sickening.
   907. DA Baracus Posted: March 09, 2011 at 07:03 PM (#3767264)
I want to see Chara get whatever punishment Randy Jones got. Then the next time they play, someone from Montreal does the same thing to Chara and Jack Edwards spontaneously combusts.
   908. Cabbage Posted: March 09, 2011 at 07:15 PM (#3767274)
You see a lot of big hits where the skater is down on the ice for a while, but it's still rare to see someone out cold like Pacioretty.

Its like when the hero hits someone over the head in a movie.
   909. ursus arctos Posted: March 09, 2011 at 10:47 PM (#3767509)
No suspension. It was a "hockey play".

Bleurgh.
   910. Famous Original Joe C Posted: March 09, 2011 at 10:57 PM (#3767524)
Max Pacioretty with a severe concussion and a C4 vertebrae fracture. And Zdeno Chara will probably get a 2 game vacation from it. Sickening.

It was terrible seeing him get hurt, but it wasn't a dirty play. Hockey is a violent sport.
   911. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: March 09, 2011 at 11:58 PM (#3767585)
Agreed that the hit was just one of those things that can happen, not worthy of a suspension. Next year they will probably put a semicircle on the ice around the stanchions and a hit in the circle is a penalty, or something stupid like that.

Habs are my second team, I like Pacioretty a lot, and I despise Boston and Chara. But still.
   912. steagles Posted: March 10, 2011 at 05:37 AM (#3767777)
i thought the hit was late. the puck was gone, and it was textbook interference.

the hit was also beyond dangerous considering where it took place. the guy was at full speed, and chera rode him high right into the wall.


i don't know that i've ever seen a hit like that, so i can't see there being a lot of precedent for punishing it, but no suspension seems like an absolutely awful precedent to set.
   913. Copronymus Posted: March 10, 2011 at 08:52 AM (#3767811)
It's not the NHL's fault that they had to follow the chart
   914. Yardape Posted: March 10, 2011 at 09:37 AM (#3767817)
i thought the hit was late. the puck was gone, and it was textbook interference.


It was definitely interference. As a Habs fan, I'm not sure if it was "dirty" or not (that is, did Chara mean to ram his head into the glass). I think the NHL should have at least given him one or two games, just as a "be careful" sort of message.
   915. zack Posted: March 10, 2011 at 03:58 PM (#3767907)
I don't think Chara is a dirty player. He tends to hurt people, but that's more due to the fact that he's ####### enormous.

But that was a dirty play. It was late and there was no reason to finish it like that.
   916. zack Posted: March 10, 2011 at 03:58 PM (#3767908)
Doppelpöst.
   917. steagles Posted: March 10, 2011 at 04:19 PM (#3767926)
It's not the NHL's fault that they had to follow the chart
2/4. it could have been better. there's nothing on there about the hit being on a flyer, and nothing on there calling out mark savard for being a crybaby.

we need a v2.0
   918. Cabbage Posted: March 15, 2011 at 01:37 PM (#3770825)
Really impressive win for the Hawks. Down Campbell and Bolland, and with Crawford looking exhausted, they cleaned up the Sharks.

Steagles, how do you think the flyers will do with Pronger out? I suppose it doesnt matter too much at the end of the regular season, but he's getting up there in years and I'd have to think there would be real problems if he's not up to form by the playoffs. I suppose the worst case scenario is they drop a few slots in the standings, end up with a tougher first round against Tampa or Montreal, and Pronger isn't really useful for the first round.
   919. zack Posted: March 15, 2011 at 02:04 PM (#3770844)
Well they have a step-in replacement in Nick Boynton now, so they should be set.
   920. zempf Posted: March 15, 2011 at 02:16 PM (#3770852)
I would say it's not bad that Pronger's out because he could probably stand the rest at this point anyway, but the Flyers have looked not so great of late & I think they could use him. I'd hate to keep playing like this & back into the playoffs.
   921. DA Baracus Posted: March 15, 2011 at 02:37 PM (#3770873)
back into the playoffs.


"Back into the playoffs" from a starting point of the #1 seed? Okay...
   922. ursus arctos Posted: March 16, 2011 at 10:43 AM (#3771466)
Lovely fellow, Mr. Marchand.
   923. zempf Posted: March 16, 2011 at 01:35 PM (#3771507)
"Back into the playoffs" from a starting point of the #1 seed? Okay...


It's not like they're currently guaranteed to have the #1 seed -- the Flyers are only a point up on Washington in the conference & 3 up on Pittsburgh in their division (though they've played 2 fewer games than both, so that's in their favor).
   924. Cabbage Posted: March 16, 2011 at 01:46 PM (#3771512)
#922, there was a chorus of douchey hits last night.
   925. DA Baracus Posted: March 16, 2011 at 02:19 PM (#3771532)
It's not like they're currently guaranteed to have the #1 seed -- the Flyers are only a point up on Washington in the conference & 3 up on Pittsburgh in their division (though they've played 2 fewer games than both, so that's in their favor).


Yes, but "back into the playoffs" is what a lower seeded team does, not the team with the 2nd best record in the league.
   926. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: March 17, 2011 at 01:50 AM (#3772131)
The Devils refuse to die. They haven't allowed an opponent to score more than 2 goals since February 4th. The odds are still long but they've been playing incredibly well.

The Leafs kept themselves alive or more realistically did the Sabres and Rangers a favor by beating the Canes tonight. This is the second time they've beaten Carolina since Staal made a crack at Toronto when he picked Kessel last.

Phaneuf scored two goals and added an assist tonight. In 22 games since the ASB, he has 6 goals, 9 assists, and is a +6. He's been the Phaneuf from his early years on the Flames. He had only one goal and 11 points with a -8 rating in 33 games before the break. Very nice development for the Leafs.
   927. JL Posted: March 18, 2011 at 12:49 AM (#3772992)
By the way, great game between the Caps and Wings last night. Well played, great tempo, excellent hockey all around. Not sure which was more impressive, Ovies goal through Stuarts legs, or Zettebergs off the goalies head at an impossible angle. That would be a great Cup match-up!
   928. Langer Monk Posted: March 21, 2011 at 02:12 PM (#3774858)
OK: Matt Cooke: How many games should he be suspended? How many will he get? Will Lemieux say anything?

I'll say 20 (including playoffs), 7, Not a chance in hell.
   929. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: March 21, 2011 at 02:51 PM (#3774893)
Should be out of the league. I'd be pleasantly surprised at anything more than 5 games. Of course not.
   930. Stevis Posted: March 21, 2011 at 03:13 PM (#3774912)
10; 3; Mario will somehow rant about the Islanders.
   931. ursus arctos Posted: March 21, 2011 at 03:25 PM (#3774918)
It would be great if the Pens doubled any suspension that the league imposed.

I'm not holding my breath.
   932. mex4173 Posted: March 21, 2011 at 03:31 PM (#3774926)
Should be out of the league. I'd be pleasantly surprised at anything more than 5 games. Of course not.


This.
   933. JL Posted: March 21, 2011 at 09:37 PM (#3775211)
Should be out of the league. I'd be pleasantly surprised at anything more than 5 games. Of course not.

ESPN is reporting the rest of the season and round one of the playoffs.

I am pleasantly surprised as well. Actually seems pretty fair. I will be curious to see what, if anything, Mario or the Penns brass says about it.
   934. Langer Monk Posted: March 21, 2011 at 10:58 PM (#3775290)
14-17 is a good deal, sorta. Certainly better than expected.

Penguins general manager Ray Shero said in a statement the suspension was “warranted because that’s exactly the kind of hit we’re trying to get out of the game.


2 surprises in one story.
   935. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: March 22, 2011 at 02:35 AM (#3775452)
And now comes the cautious approach to the rest of these. Headshots are bad, but this suspension should still be reserved for Cooke or someone committing one truly heinous act.

If Campbell now starts to occasionally toss these out randomly after hits where a guy's shoulder just happens to find the head of a player lunging or doing something to put his head in the shoulder's path, and that player is moderately-to-severely injured, then we're still going to have a major problem.

This came at the perfect time with the perfect player to send a message, but hopefully is not representative of a completely new order with regard to any hit to the head.
   936. Cabbage Posted: March 22, 2011 at 02:48 AM (#3775462)
This came at the perfect time with the perfect player to send a message, but hopefully is not representative of a completely new order with regard to any hit to the head.

My thoughts exactly.

I still think the NHL needs to make a real effort to not be so concerned with how bad the injury turns out to be. I believe that's been their concern because much of this is PR driven.
   937. steagles Posted: March 22, 2011 at 02:56 AM (#3775468)

Campbell
i cannot believe that guy still has a job.
   938. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: March 23, 2011 at 02:53 AM (#3776259)
Looks like the Devils have finally run out of steam. 3 losses in their last 4 games has pretty much finished them. Looks like the last spot is going to be either Carolina or Buffalo.
   939. Langer Monk Posted: March 24, 2011 at 12:15 AM (#3776873)
The two losses in the last 2 weeks to Ottawa, and the Elias line not scoring last week, dried up their momentum entirely. I'd expected a loss to the Caps and a rough stretch this week on the road, but all margins for error had already been gone.

I'd like to see them finish strong, get Parise a couple games, and end a #### season on a high note.

I think the top 8 you have now in the East will stay as is.
   940. zack Posted: March 24, 2011 at 04:14 PM (#3777253)
Enough with the three-point games already, sheesh.
   941. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: March 24, 2011 at 04:33 PM (#3777267)
There still isn't a whole lot of separation in the West playoff race. Only 10 points from 2 to 10, and 6 points 4 to 10.

What's craziest to me right now is that the Hawks play the Wings 3 more times this year, and only trail them by 7 points. If the Hawks win all 3, they could catch them for the division. It's not going to happen, but we can't rule anything out at this point. I'm glad Campbell is back, but they need Sharp and Bolland healthy for the playoffs, and Crawford still could use some rest.
   942. JustDan Posted: March 28, 2011 at 12:34 AM (#3779367)
This site is pretty good at tracking the chances of where each team will finish. The Eastern Division is close to being set seeds 1-5, with Montreal, NYR, and Buffalo jockeying for 6-8. The West is much more muddled.
   943. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: March 30, 2011 at 03:24 AM (#3780995)
The Leafs aren't going to make the playoffs but they are going to make Buffalo and Carolina earn it. Really, the Leafs have played about as well as could be reasonably expected from them for a few months now but the Sabres have not slipped and deserve the spot. With all that being said, I am very happy with the way the season has ended. They won a tough game against Buffalo tonight to keep their very faint hopes alive but they way they are playing is the most important thing.
   944. zack Posted: April 04, 2011 at 02:34 PM (#3785666)
Watching Nathan Gerbe play in the NHL is like watching a hobbit on skates. A pretty good hobbit, at that.

Are there any Sabres fans here? I don't get shifting him on the 3rd line with Gaustad, unless it is as an injury replacement.
   945. zack Posted: April 07, 2011 at 02:25 PM (#3788992)
Jeez, are fans of any other sports as off the reservation with conspiracy theories as NHL fans? I mean, I gather that the NHL is unusually incompetent in most officiating duties, but nothing that justifies this level of crackpotdom. Was there a proven conspiracy somewhere I missed?
   946. Cabbage Posted: April 07, 2011 at 02:37 PM (#3789003)
NHL officiating is odd. On one hand, they do a lot of stuff right. I think their system for video reviews is spot on and should be adopted everywhere (NFL, I'm talking to you). However, the nature of the game means that officials will miss calls, make inconsistent calls, and it'll be very hard to perfect the system -- sorta like the NBA.

Where the conspiracies come from is a combination of the NHL's strange upper level management, poor PR, Colin Campbell's inconsistent rulings, and Canadian inferiority complexes.

Personally, I think the NBA is a lot more crooked. But I'm not Canadian.
   947. ursus arctos Posted: April 07, 2011 at 02:42 PM (#3789006)
To answer zack, I'd offer up European football (soccer) fandom, which is to my mind considerably worse.

I'd also say that the first three of Cabbage's factors (which to me are all related) are significantly more important than Canadian inferiority complexes. It's simply ridiculous that the father of a current player is in Campbell's position.
   948. steagles Posted: April 07, 2011 at 03:18 PM (#3789043)
It's simply ridiculous that the father of a current player is in Campbell's position.
i won't say that, but i will say it's ridiculous that he still holds the position when he's proven incapable of maintaining impartiality as it relates to his son.
   949. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: April 07, 2011 at 03:25 PM (#3789049)
My current thinking on the Hawks is that they'll either win the Cup or be swept in the first round. Right now I'm sort of leaning toward the sweep. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground with this team.
   950. ursus arctos Posted: April 07, 2011 at 03:45 PM (#3789072)
STEAGLES, from where I sit the job is hard enough that it would be very difficult for anyone in that position not to run afoul of charges of failing to be impartial, especially given the team his kid is on.

It's one of those cases where the appearance of impropriety is so high that it just isn't worth it.

I've long maintained that they should have a panel of 3-5 for supplemental discipline (including non-NHL employees), and wouldn't have a problem with Colie being one of that panel, as long as he abstained from calls on Bruins' games and no longer had reporting responsibility for the rest of the group (and the refs, I think).
   951. zack Posted: April 07, 2011 at 04:02 PM (#3789089)
To answer zack, I'd offer up European football (soccer) fandom, which is to my mind considerably worse.


I figured it would be, especially say Serie A. Then again, given some of the FIFA shenanigans they have more right to be. Can you give some examples?
   952. ursus arctos Posted: April 07, 2011 at 08:50 PM (#3789602)
   953. steagles Posted: April 07, 2011 at 10:09 PM (#3789679)
STEAGLES, from where I sit the job is hard enough that it would be very difficult for anyone in that position not to run afoul of charges of failing to be impartial, especially given the team his kid is on.
i don't think it's so much of an issue that there should be someone in that role who has no connection to any player or team (and really, that is just as much of an issue. i don't think anyone would want to see bobby clarke or lou lamoriello holding campbell's position, either), but campbell is specifically a problem. the guy harassed referees (specifically dean warren) because of calls made on his son. that's worse than a fireable offense in my mind. that's grounds for a blackball. send him the WHL with that ####; no major professional league should touch him with that in his closet.
   954. ursus arctos Posted: April 07, 2011 at 10:26 PM (#3789701)
You're right.
   955. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: April 08, 2011 at 12:47 AM (#3789818)
I remain somewhat hopeful that the league doesn't want to make it so obvious that they know they look ridiculous with Campbell in that role so they are just letting the season run its course and then in August it will be announced that Campbell really wants to spend more time with his family, or be a scout for some team.
   956. Cabbage Posted: April 11, 2011 at 01:45 PM (#3793247)
The hockey gods have willed Nucks-Hawks. Now, there can only be one.

FWIW, I just dont think this Hawks team is very good. But they do seem to really hate the Nucks, and it'd be a lot of fun watching the city of Vancouver collectively immolate themselves if Chicago can pull of the upset.
   957. Famous Original Joe C Posted: April 11, 2011 at 01:57 PM (#3793254)
I know that the NHL reseeds after each round - but one thing isn't clear to me. Say, for example, that Washington, Boston, Pittsburgh, and Buffalo all win their 1st round series. That's the 1, 3, 4, and 7 seeds - so Washington/Buffalo and Boston/Pittsburgh in round 2.

My question: The Bruins are seeded third (to the Pens fourth) by virtue of winning the Northeast Division, but the Penguins had more points this season. Who gets home ice in that theoretical series?
   958. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: April 11, 2011 at 03:10 PM (#3793315)
Bruins.
   959. Famous Original Joe C Posted: April 11, 2011 at 03:21 PM (#3793329)
Thanks, Justin.
   960. DA Baracus Posted: April 11, 2011 at 03:31 PM (#3793336)
Bruins-Habs is going to be a great series because it guarantees that one of them loses.
   961. Shredder Posted: April 11, 2011 at 03:41 PM (#3793349)

FWIW, I just dont think this Hawks team is very good. But they do seem to really hate the Nucks
They can join the club. If I wasn't predisposed to hate the Ducks more than any team in the NHL, I would definitely hate the Canucks the most.
   962. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: April 11, 2011 at 04:52 PM (#3793409)
FWIW, I just dont think this Hawks team is very good. But they do seem to really hate the Nucks, and it'd be a lot of fun watching the city of Vancouver collectively immolate themselves if Chicago can pull of the upset.


Lucky for Vancouver, Dustin Byfuglien is currently in Atlanta so he won't be around to bother Luongo like he's done so in past playoffs.

This Hawks team is odd. I actually think they're a little underrated- not as good as last year's team, but definitely better than your average 8th seed. They finished 4th in goals scored and 12th in goals against.

I think it'll depend on how Crawford plays. He didn't look so good yesterday and he just might be gassed- he's played in like 25 straight games. And the defense isn't good enough to pick up a mediocre goalie's slack.

It's pretty amazing Dallas lost last night- that was clearly the Wild's B-team out there last night, including their back-up goalie.
   963. steagles Posted: April 11, 2011 at 06:14 PM (#3793495)
whoever does the flyers' goalie masks is awesome.


this is bobrovski's new one.
   964. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: April 12, 2011 at 02:57 AM (#3794043)
Subjective ranking of the upcoming series, by coolness:

1. Vancouver-Chicago
2. Montreal-Boston
3. Pittsburgh-Tampa Bay
4. Philadelphia-Buffalo
5. San Jose-Los Angeles
6. Washington-New York
7. Detroit-Phoenix
8. Anaheim-Nashville
   965. Langer Monk Posted: April 12, 2011 at 07:40 PM (#3794717)
Might as well post a prediction for the first round, for mocking later:

Washington in 6
Buffalo in 6
Boston in 7
Tampa Bay in 6

Vancouver in 6
San Jose in 7
Phoenix in 7
Anaheim in 5.
   966. JustDan Posted: April 12, 2011 at 07:46 PM (#3794726)
#964. I agree with the top 2 and the bottom 2, but I don't see how Pitt-TB could be #3. I would reverse numbers 3-6.

#965. OK, here's mine:

Washington in 6
Buffalo in 7
Montreal in 6
Pittsburgh in 5

Vancouver in 7
San Jose in 5
Detroit in 7
Nashville in 6
   967. JL Posted: April 12, 2011 at 07:58 PM (#3794741)
Washington in 6
Buffalo in 6
Boston in 7
Tampa Bay in 7

Chicago in 7
San Jose in 7
Detroit in 7
Anaheim in 6.
   968. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: April 12, 2011 at 08:06 PM (#3794749)
I agree with the top 2 and the bottom 2, but I don't see how Pitt-TB could be #3. I would reverse numbers 3-6.

I just like the Lightning this year. Exciting players, Yzerman as GM, Boucher seems like a real good coach, etc. And I think that series has as good a chance of going 7 as any.
   969. steagles Posted: April 12, 2011 at 09:27 PM (#3794859)
Buffalo in 6
Buffalo in 7
Buffalo in 6
if everyone picks the underdog, don't they just become the favorite?


my only prediction for that series is that the flyers will need all 3 goalies. i think they'll win, but it's not gonna be pretty.
   970. Cabbage Posted: April 12, 2011 at 09:43 PM (#3794871)
I feel morally obligated to predict Hawks in 6, just like the last two years.


Otherwise
Sharks in 5
Wings in 5
Ducks in 7

Caps in 6
Flyers in 7
Habs in 6
Lightning in 5
   971. Cabbage Posted: April 12, 2011 at 09:44 PM (#3794874)
Most importantly: The Mullet is Back
   972. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: April 12, 2011 at 10:16 PM (#3794897)
Kane has to regularly change his appearance to stay ahead of the cops.
   973. ursus arctos Posted: April 12, 2011 at 10:17 PM (#3794900)
Canucks-Blackhawks: Canucks in five
Sharks-Kings: Sharks in six
Wings-Coyotes: Wings in six
Ducks-Predators: Ducks in six

Capitals-Rangers: Caps in five
Flyers-Sabres: Sabres in six
Bruins-Canadiens: Habs in seven
Penguins-Lightning: Penguins in seven
   974. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: April 15, 2011 at 12:11 PM (#3797826)
Well, well, well, Mr. Campbell is already in the position of letting everyone know if headshots are still against the rules or if hunting season is open for the playoffs after that Stoll hit last night. White had his back turned to him the whole time and then Stoll gave him a forearm shiver into the glass to go along with his hit from behind.
   975. zack Posted: April 15, 2011 at 02:06 PM (#3797923)
Here's my predictions from before the playoffs started:

East:
1- Capitals vs Rangers - Capitals in 7
2- Flyers vs Sabres - Flyers in 6
3- Bruins vs Habs - Bruins in 5
4- Penguins vs Lightning - Penguins in 6

West:
1- Canucks vs Blacocks - Canucks in 5
2- Sharks vs Kings - Sharks in 5
3- Red Wings vs Jets - Jets in 7
4- Ducks vs Preds - Preds in 7

Not looking so good, not sure what I was doing picking 3 series to go in 5.
   976. Langer Monk Posted: April 19, 2011 at 12:54 AM (#3801507)
Goodbye to Chris Kunitz and Steve Downie?
   977. JL Posted: April 19, 2011 at 01:09 AM (#3801513)
Kunitz has to go doesn't he? I figure at least two games.
   978. Langer Monk Posted: April 19, 2011 at 01:33 AM (#3801532)
I can't see how Kunitz gets less than 5, to carry over into next season if the Pens get eliminated. In my world of discipline, it's 10 or more, but I can't remember his history and can't be buggered to look.

Downie 1 or 2 for the charge.
   979. JL Posted: April 19, 2011 at 01:43 AM (#3801539)
If it were anyone else giving out the punishment, I would say it should be five games. But since it is the NHL and Campbell, I am hoping it will be two (I would think five if it was in the regular season).
   980. zack Posted: April 19, 2011 at 02:47 PM (#3801821)
This rule 48 #### is infuriating. The rule is actually well written and extremely clear:

48.1 Illegal Check to the Head – A lateral or blind side hit to an opponent where the head is targeted and/or the principal point of contact is not permitted.


It's not hits where the hitter leaves his feet, or has his hands up, or hits that result in injury, or if the hitter is a jackass. There's nothing about intent at all. Its an extremely simple rule! And it certainly doesn't ####### say "except in the area behind the net, go ahead and rape people in the face there".
   981. Langer Monk Posted: April 19, 2011 at 06:23 PM (#3802084)
Punchline: 1 game apiece.

You all know the joke.
   982. JL Posted: April 19, 2011 at 06:34 PM (#3802103)
Punchline: 1 game apiece.

For Kunitz, I absolutely agree. There was no hockey play being made. It was clearly an intent to hurt someone. Two games minimum.

For Downie, I am generally okay with one game, but think two would be better based on his history.

I do wonder what would have happened if these had been separate incidents in two different games.
   983. Langer Monk Posted: April 19, 2011 at 06:53 PM (#3802121)
Don't know that it would've mattered. Downie was getting 1 for leaving his feet at a minimum. Kunitz's suspension might have been longer on a different day only because of random chance. Maybe today was "1 game Tuesday" in the league offices.

I still think the league needs to remove or change the instigator penalty. I don't think these hits will stop otherwise, and obviously maybe still not with that change.
   984. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: April 19, 2011 at 07:12 PM (#3802140)
1 game for Kunitz is embarrassing. And it's all because Gagne wasn't immediately handicapped. Why something that is left basically to chance, whether the guy is immediately and severely incapacitated, is the primary determinant of suspension length is something only a pair of dumbasses like Campbell and Bettman can answer.
   985. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: April 20, 2011 at 01:33 AM (#3802541)
Looks like the Canucks may end up very glad they have an elite goalie for a backup. Luongo is probably injured although still in the game at this point.
   986. zack Posted: April 20, 2011 at 03:21 PM (#3802988)
It's almost certainly their last hurrah, but it was nice to see an old-fashioned dongwhipping of the Canucks one more time.

I was expecting to root for the Canucks out of the West when they beat the Blackhawks, but I forgot how much dislike Lapierre, Torres and Burrows can generate in me. There have been an unexpected amount of shenanigans between two skill teams.
   987. Langer Monk Posted: April 20, 2011 at 06:54 PM (#3803257)
While I still have zero hope that the Hawks can actually win in Vancouver once, let alone twice, I quite enjoyed last night, and hope they've got 3 more of those in them. I cannot stand the Canucks either.
   988. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: April 20, 2011 at 07:14 PM (#3803297)
I don't hate the Canucks as much as most Hawks fans. They've beaten Vancouver in the playoffs each of the past two years, and it's hard to hate a team you constantly defeat. Plus, I'm a fan of Kesler and I kinda like the Sedins. I'll save my hate for the Wings and whichever team is currently employing Steve Downie (in this case, Tampa Bay).

Assuming the Hawks are done after the 1st round, I'll be rooting for the Kings in the West & the Sabres in the East.
   989. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: April 21, 2011 at 01:12 AM (#3803857)
I wonder if any announcer has ever said that a coach's use of his timeout was ill-advised. There are like 3 or 4 different situations where coaches use them, and any time they do, it's an example of stellar coaching.
   990. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: April 21, 2011 at 02:54 AM (#3804019)
I'd like to know how the Penguins ever lost a game with Crosby and Malkin in the lineup. So sick of the Penguins.
   991. Zipperholes Posted: April 21, 2011 at 03:00 AM (#3804030)
That was the most anticlimactic end to a 2OT playoff game I've ever seen.
   992. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: April 22, 2011 at 01:58 AM (#3805121)
Keith Jones says the timeout called by Julien down 3-1 was the key to the game. Great coaching.
   993. Yardape Posted: April 22, 2011 at 02:27 AM (#3805155)
It's not must-win, but I don't imagine the Canucks really want to go back to Chicago.
   994. Yardape Posted: April 22, 2011 at 03:50 AM (#3805291)
Hmm, a second straight ass-kicking by the Hawks...the Canucks are going to be feeling some pressure, methinks.
   995. Langer Monk Posted: April 22, 2011 at 04:51 AM (#3805438)
Not sure we'll ever see two more impressive performances back to back in the playoffs from a 8th seed down 3-0 to the 1st seed.

Game 6 is going to be a sight to see.
   996. Cabbage Posted: April 22, 2011 at 03:48 PM (#3805860)
I'm not a big fan of armchair goalie psychology. Heck, I think the Canucks skaters have been more of the problem than Lou. But its got to be hard on a guy to keep hearing about playoff failures, losses to the Blackhawks, and then give up so many goals in two potentially series ending games. I'll probably feel bad for Luongo personally if the Hawks somehow manage to come back.

Game 6 should be a lot of fun. I'm really looking forward to it. Should be a nice way to wrap up Easter dinner.
   997. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: April 22, 2011 at 09:49 PM (#3806311)
Doesn't it seem pretty likely that Luongo is hurt? He was shown wincing, skating to the bench very slowly and hunched over, etc., after contorting himself keeping puck away from the goal line at the end of the first period of Game 4. Then looks terribly immobile in the second period in giving up 5 goals or whatever it was on the way to a 7-2 loss. 5-0 next game, and I didn't watch much of it but he didn't look too spry to me.

If he was really hurt, it seems so silly to be throwing him out there with these results though. But with clear evidence of him being in substantial pain immediately preceding a ton of goals against, it just seems odd that nobody seems to be questioning this.
   998. Flynn Posted: April 22, 2011 at 10:37 PM (#3806349)
That Habs game was a gut punch last night. I am a little worried they might not come back from that one.
   999. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: April 22, 2011 at 11:19 PM (#3806389)
Now a whole pregame segment on the genius needed to know when to use one's timeout. A damned toddler can perfect this art. Almost anytime a timeout is used, one can predict that it will be used at that moment as soon as the whistle blows. This is killing me.
   1000. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: April 24, 2011 at 11:24 PM (#3808219)
I knew it re: Luongo.

If Vancouver loses this series, Vigneault should lose his job for letting him play Game 5. Or somebody has to lose a job, somewhere.
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