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Nick Swisher says hearing jeers from Bleacher Creatures “hurts”

As so-sociologist Theodor Adorenova once said…“Advice to intellectuals: let no-one misrepresent you.”

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On hearing boos every at-bat: “I don’t ever remember that happening. But hey, man, that’s New York for you.”

Did you scale back interaction with the Creatures?: “Last night was pretty big. A lot of people saying a lot of things that I’ve never heard before. Prime example; I missed that ball in the lights and the next thing you know, I’m the reason that Jeter got hurt. It’s kind of frustrating. They were saying it was my fault.”

Lackluster salute during roll call?: “That’s the last thing that I ever thought would be in this ballpark, that people would get on you that bad. Especially your home, where your heart is, where you’ve been battling and grinding all year long. It’s just frustrating, man. You never want to be in that spot. It’s not like you’re trying to go out there and do bad on purpose. It’s just tough, man.”

Disappointing?: “It is. It hurts. Sometimes I’m a sensitive guy and some of the things people say, they get under your skin a little bit. I’ve been lucky to be here for the past four years, bro. We’re not going to go out like this. We’re going to go to Detroit and give everything we’ve got.”

Repoz Posted: October 15, 2012 at 05:32 AM | 57 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Rants Mulliniks Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:02 AM (#4270736)
Swisher has been brutal in the field, on several plays. I would never boo someone for striking out or hitting into a DP, but baserunning and fielding gaffes are different IMO.
   2. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:10 AM (#4270739)
Yeah, I mean, this is not a defense of the bigoted ######## in the bleachers...

But Nick Swisher's effort in the field and on the bases just looks spotty. Last night, when he reached on an error by Infante, he played it like a jackass. He walked out of the box because he assumed his liner would be caught in the air. That was a bad read, it was going to be tough to play in the air. Then he started jogging when he realized there would be a force. Then Infante misplayed it and he started running. You can't be doing that #### in the playoffs.

On defense, he often looks half-assed. It might be whole-assed effort that reads half-assed, but sometimes the outcome looks so silly it's hard to trust him.
   3. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:17 AM (#4270740)
Leaving his feet in a dive is half-assed?
   4. DKDC Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:24 AM (#4270741)
I didn’t see the plays, but it seems like most players have developed a particular routine about how they catch fly balls, and to try to alter it would probably make things even worse.

That thing that Ichiro does with every fly ball where he sort of runs around the ball and snatches it out of the air would look pretty nonchalant if he ever missed one.
   5. Dale Sams Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:46 AM (#4270750)
"Please don't go to Boston...please don't go to Boston..."
   6. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:49 AM (#4270754)
"Please don't go to Boston...please don't go to Boston..."
I see basically zero chance he signs with Boston. I mean, I'd take him at 3/40, and so would the Sox, but he's looking for long years and money, and that's not going to play with Boston.
   7. Eddo Posted: October 15, 2012 at 10:07 AM (#4270809)
Leaving his feet in a dive is half-assed?

"Often" does not mean every single play.
   8. just plain joe Posted: October 15, 2012 at 10:21 AM (#4270821)
You can't be doing that #### in the playoffs.


You really shouldn't do that anytime; run hard on all of them, because you never know.
   9. bunyon Posted: October 15, 2012 at 10:33 AM (#4270831)
Leaving his feet in a dive is half-assed?

It might be if it is a beat or two after the ball passes by you and if you could have reached it without diving.

Mind you, I'm not saying he isn't trying - I tend to think players get blamed too much for lack of effort. Playing badly LOOKS like it's low effort. But I grade exams - I see kids wrench themselves in knots and then score 27. Effort =/= success. But that dive he made at that one ball cannot, by itself, be used to justify his effort. The dive looked, to me, like he realized he'd wiffed so he better make it look good.

I said in the chatter, and I'll stand by it, he needs his eyes checked. He's missing badly at the plate and taking bizarre routes to balls and sort of stabbing at things in the field. I suspect his eyesight has changed a little bit and it's screwing him up.
   10. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 15, 2012 at 10:34 AM (#4270834)
Are the fans singling out Swisher and ARod for boos? Why not the whole lineup?
   11. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 15, 2012 at 10:37 AM (#4270839)
   12. donlock Posted: October 15, 2012 at 10:55 AM (#4270860)
Wah, Wah, Wah to the tune of the world's tiniest violin.
   13. bunyon Posted: October 15, 2012 at 10:57 AM (#4270864)
Granderson heard it as well.
   14. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:16 AM (#4270878)
   15. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 15, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4270953)
The Yankee hitters are collectively proving that there is such a thing as choking.

ARod, Swisher, Cano, Granderson doing absolutely nothing. That much suck all at once has to be mental.

The funny thing about Swisher is he actually still looks decent at the plate while choking. I've seen the Granderson choke before (three straight hacks at breaking balls in the dirt), e.g. David Justice in the 2011 WS (2 for 12, 9 K's) and Alfonso Soriano in the 2003 ALCS (4 for 30, 11 Ks).

But the Swisher "look like you still control the strike-zone and make contact, but they're all easy outs" is a new one.
   16. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: October 15, 2012 at 12:30 PM (#4270959)
So which is worse, the perceived lack of hustle by Swisher or someone who pretended to hustle like Eric Byrnes?
   17. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: October 15, 2012 at 12:33 PM (#4270964)
Booing the home team for struggling = no class. They're your team, win or lose. Stay positive, people!
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 15, 2012 at 12:37 PM (#4270974)
Booing the home team for struggling = no class. They're your team, win or lose. Stay positive, people!

If it doesn't make sense boo when they suck up the joint, then it doesn't make sense to cheer when they do well. If failure isn't at all their fault, the they aren't responsible for success either.
   19. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 15, 2012 at 12:59 PM (#4271001)
If it doesn't make sense boo when they suck up the joint, then it doesn't make sense to cheer when they do well. If failure isn't at all their fault, the they aren't responsible for success either.

Ray? Is that you?
   20. PreservedFish Posted: October 15, 2012 at 01:09 PM (#4271013)
If it doesn't make sense boo when they suck up the joint, then it doesn't make sense to cheer when they do well. If failure isn't at all their fault, the they aren't responsible for success either.

What if you just think that booing is not polite?
   21. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 15, 2012 at 01:12 PM (#4271016)
Is it me or is there a lot of "I hate this team, I've given up" around here this year? It's not unique to the Yankees and maybe it's just a perception thing but that seems to be a much more wide spread sentiment than I remember seeing. Other than Cardinal, Oriole and A's fans it doesn't seem like anyone is enjoying this season.

I think the fact that MLB is a pretty parity-heavy league right now is part of it. There are no teams out there that aren't flawed in some ways and when those flaws get exposed it feels inevitable and frustrating.
   22. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 15, 2012 at 01:17 PM (#4271026)
What if you just think that booing is not polite?

OK. I just think it's part of baseball. Personally, I both cheer, and boo much less than the average fan.
   23. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 15, 2012 at 01:20 PM (#4271032)
Is it me or is there a lot of "I hate this team, I've given up" around here this year? It's not unique to the Yankees and maybe it's just a perception thing but that seems to be a much more wide spread sentiment than I remember seeing. Other than Cardinal, Oriole and A's fans it doesn't seem like anyone is enjoying this season.

I enjoyed parts of the season, as a Tiger, Brewer and Pirate sympathizer and Dodger hater. It's been very up and down. As for my actual favorite team, at least we had Erik Kratz.
   24. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 15, 2012 at 01:23 PM (#4271037)
I think the fact that MLB is a pretty parity-heavy league right now is part of it. There are no teams out there that aren't flawed in some ways and when those flaws get exposed it feels inevitable and frustrating.

Concur. Also, a flawed play-off team is fun when it comes from out of nowhere (e.g. A's and O's) but, when you're a favorite (e.g. Yankees, Tigers, Braves, etc.) and your team ends up worse than you expected, it's not so fun.
   25. Loren F. Posted: October 15, 2012 at 01:28 PM (#4271049)
If it doesn't make sense boo when they suck up the joint, then it doesn't make sense to cheer when they do well. If failure isn't at all their fault, the they aren't responsible for success either.

Ray? Is that you?


My caricature of Ray would argue that booing and cheering are only tiny sample sizes of a person's affect over the course of a lifetime, and therefore not worth noting. After all, is "cheering" a person's true emotional level? Is "booing"? If one cannot project cheering or booing going forward with any consistency then they must be cast aside as flukes of feeling.
   26. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 15, 2012 at 01:32 PM (#4271059)
And where's the evidence that booing and jeering are correlated with being unhappy? I myself frequently find myself booing with a smile on my face.
   27. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: October 15, 2012 at 01:47 PM (#4271094)
   28. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 15, 2012 at 01:56 PM (#4271122)
Accompanied by the erudite Red Sox fan base in action,


Oh come on. Red Sox Nation absolutely gives you more than ample opportunity to find photos of Sox fans acting douchey and the best you can do is a well known photoshopped picture?

This would have been better.
   29. AuntBea Posted: October 15, 2012 at 02:37 PM (#4271207)
Raucous cheering is at least as impolite as booing with restraint ("Sir, I disapprove.")
   30. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 15, 2012 at 02:49 PM (#4271226)
Other than Cardinal, Oriole and A's fans it doesn't seem like anyone is enjoying this season.


As a Reds fan, this season was hugely enjoyable up until Game 3 of the NLDS.
   31. Dale Sams Posted: October 15, 2012 at 02:56 PM (#4271241)
This would have been better


'The page you requested does not exist'....was it 2011 Red Sox playoff tickets?

As for RSN in action...you will never find a gif or clip to compare to the ten or so on youtube of the Bleacher Creatures tormenting some 12 year old with "Why are you Gay?"
   32. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 15, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4271259)
Oh come on. Red Sox Nation absolutely gives you more than ample opportunity to find photos of Sox fans acting douchey and the best you can do is a well known photoshopped picture?

This would have been better.


For me all four of those links go to "Sorry, the page you requested was not found. Please check the URL for proper spelling and capitalization. If you're having trouble locating a destination on Yahoo!, try visiting the Yahoo! home page or look through a list of Yahoo!'s online services."
   33. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 15, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4271273)
For me all four of those links go to "Sorry, the page you requested was not found. Please check the URL for proper spelling and capitalization. If you're having trouble locating a destination on Yahoo!, try visiting the Yahoo! home page or look through a list of Yahoo!'s online services."


Oh well, I must have done something wrong. Anyway, the first three were the same kid in varying jerseys (Manchester United, Carolina Hurriacanes and Yankees) and the one that would have been better...I just can't describe it adequately. Fat guy with "Yankees suck" written on his bare chest. Naked Albright would have been better to look at.
   34. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: October 15, 2012 at 03:14 PM (#4271275)
For me all four of those links go to "Sorry, the page you requested was not found. Please check the URL for proper spelling and capitalization. If you're having trouble locating a destination on Yahoo!, try visiting the Yahoo! home page or look through a list of Yahoo!'s online services."

So does that mean the picture of the kid's legit?
   35. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 15, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4271307)
As for RSN in action...you will never find a gif or clip to compare to the ten or so on youtube of the Bleacher Creatures tormenting some 12 year old with "Why are you Gay?"

Wit and classiness, as we all know, are regional. If only the thousands of these shirts could wave their arms and dance.
   36. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 15, 2012 at 03:34 PM (#4271318)
So does that mean the picture of the kid's legit?


I've seen pictures of the kid in just about every imaginable uniform but I do wonder what's the legitimate one? It certainly wouldn't shock me if it was at a Sox game though my guess is it's a soccer game somewhere.
   37. Dale Sams Posted: October 15, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4271324)
It's a dutch soccer kid. Ajax or Feyenrood
   38. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 15, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4271328)
The original middle finger kid was a supporter of Feyenoord Rotterdam. The Red Sox variation was probably the first one someone thought of making, since he looks like he's wearing Red Sox colors and the circular badges are similar.
   39. Rants Mulliniks Posted: October 15, 2012 at 03:40 PM (#4271330)
What if you just think that booing is not polite?

OK. I just think it's part of baseball. Personally, I both cheer, and boo much less than the average fan.


Montreal Canadiens fans are well-known for their booing of the home team when they are playing poorly (i.e. showing a poor effort). They are also universally acknowledged as the most knowledgeable fans in the league. I think booing the home team has its place, but in baseball its often misplaced.
   40. SoSH U at work Posted: October 15, 2012 at 03:49 PM (#4271343)
A question for the avowed booers. Do you actually say the word, "boo," as if you're trying to scare a little kid, or is booing an all-encompassing word that describes any kind of catcall directed at an offending party? I don't do either, but while I can kind of understand the latter, I would feel ridiculous screaming "boo" in any public setting.

   41. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 15, 2012 at 03:50 PM (#4271347)
A question for the avowed booers. Do you actually say the word, "Boo," as if you're trying to scare a little kid, or is booing an all-encompassing word that describes any kind of catcall directed at an offending party? I don't do either, but while I can kind of understand the latter, I would feel ridiculous screaming "boo" in any public setting.


I almost never boo my teams but I will boo the opponents and when I do that I actually do say "boo." It's dragged out though so it doesn't sound like you're trying to scare a little kid.

I will freely admit that I enthusiastically booed Bobby Valentine the last couple of weeks of the season.
   42. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 15, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4271349)
The original middle finger kid was a supporter of Feyenoord Rotterdam.


Thanks!
   43. madvillain Posted: October 15, 2012 at 04:12 PM (#4271380)
Sit and spin, Swish.
   44. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 15, 2012 at 04:26 PM (#4271407)
A question for the avowed booers. Do you actually say the word, "boo," as if you're trying to scare a little kid, or is booing an all-encompassing word that describes any kind of catcall directed at an offending party? I don't do either, but while I can kind of understand the latter, I would feel ridiculous screaming "boo" in any public setting.

I rarely boo, though I defend the right of fans to do so.

I usually just scream random profanities, either at the field or the TV, e.g. "You F***ing suck ARod/Granderson/Swisher".
   45. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: October 15, 2012 at 04:33 PM (#4271419)
"You F***ing suck ARod/Granderson/Swisher".


I defy you to say that fast 3 times.
   46. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 15, 2012 at 04:37 PM (#4271425)
I defy you to say that fast 3 times.

Luckily Girardi spreads them out in the batting order :-)
   47. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: October 15, 2012 at 05:12 PM (#4271470)
This has always been one of my favorite Fenway fan moments, just for sheer inexplicableness.
   48. Dale Sams Posted: October 15, 2012 at 05:29 PM (#4271493)
I've long theorized that the thrower forgot that Boston wasn't in the field and was letting the front row guy know his displeasure.
   49. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: October 15, 2012 at 06:30 PM (#4271550)
I think the pizza tosser may have thought they were gonna call fan interference on the play. Or, he was LAW.
   50. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: October 15, 2012 at 07:10 PM (#4271577)
A question for the avowed booers. Do you actually say the word, "boo," as if you're trying to scare a little kid, or is booing an all-encompassing word that describes any kind of catcall directed at an offending party?

I was saying 'Boo-urns.'
   51. McCoy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 07:18 PM (#4271582)
When I boo I actually moo like a cow.
   52. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 15, 2012 at 07:59 PM (#4271627)
Is it me or is there a lot of "I hate this team, I've given up" around here this year? It's not unique to the Yankees and maybe it's just a perception thing but that seems to be a much more wide spread sentiment than I remember seeing.

Blame the Pants Pissers - although once confined to Sox Therapy, they have leaked out and infected all of BBTF. Except moi.
   53. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:14 PM (#4271647)
Other than Cardinal, Oriole and A's fans it doesn't seem like anyone is enjoying this season.


I've had a good time this season, and this postseason. Ichiro did that Matrix thing last round, and people I like (like Kuroda) have done a great job. CC's Game 5 was - seriously - a performance for the ages.

But negative moments make positive ones better. If my team joylessly stomped a series of anonymous opponents on the way to winning multiple titles, it would lose its luster and all run together. The first two games of the 1996 World Series, the despair of winning that series at that time, and the way it made me feel made the eventual outcome all the sweeter.

When I boo, it's a rumble from my throat. I don't think my lips move at all. I just kinda find the bass and fill in the crowd's noise like I'm in the Whiffenpoofs or something.
   54. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:18 PM (#4271660)
Like if the Yankees could play the Twins in the DS, the Twins again in the CS, and... um... the Twins in the World Series. Every year.
   55. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:20 PM (#4271665)
I think the funniest single part of the pizza throwing incident is a technical TV one (big surprise, coming from me). Remy didn't have the telestrator at the moment, so nearly missed the call of the incident on the first replay. His hurried yelp made the whole thing much funnier.
   56. Willie Mayspedester Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4271675)
A question for the avowed booers. Do you actually say the word, "boo," as if you're trying to scare a little kid, or is booing an all-encompassing word that describes any kind of catcall directed at an offending party? I don't do either, but while I can kind of understand the latter, I would feel ridiculous screaming "boo" in any public setting.


This is how I boo
   57. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4271727)
A question for the avowed booers. Do you actually say the word, "boo," as if you're trying to scare a little kid, or is booing an all-encompassing word that describes any kind of catcall directed at an offending party?

[clears throat]
"BOOOOOOOO!
"I AM BOOing YOU, KEVIN YOUKILIS!
"B! O! O!
"BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
[sips beer]

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