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1. Tricky Dick Posted: February 10, 2012 at 02:45 PM (#4058177)He is?
Suppan's a devout Catholic. He appeared in the ad opposing Missouri's embryonic stem cell amendment, which is apparently enough for damnation to a lifetime of terribleness.
Of course, his wikipedia page currently includes a rather eye-popping claim about fastballs, fireworks and school children, though that could simply be the work of an imaginative foe with a track record as a wikipedia editor.
Of course, his wikipedia page currently includes a rather eye-popping claim about fastballs, fireworks and school children, though that could simply be the work of an imaginative foe with a track record as a wikipedia editor.
Yeah, I think the snippet below is a disgruntled Brewer fan who can't spell. "Lude comments", really?
But SoSH, get with the times. Of course all us devout Catholics are terrible people. We want to force women to have babies that we can then roast as BBQ, or put to work as slave labor in our vast, secret, gold mines.
You're probably right. I guess that lets our Rust Belt-residing wiki editor, a much better speller, off the hook.
He placed the well-being of a group of unthinking cell cultures in a test tube over the well-being of real people afflicted with terrible diseases in the real world. He did his level best to ensure that people with Parkinson's and Huntington's and MS and Alzheimer's would suffer and degenerate and die, when they might have recovered and lived happy, productive lives.
It would have been kinder if he'd gone to a hospital with a duffel bag full of guns and just shot every patient he found in the head. At least that would have been quick and relatively painless.
It would have been kinder if he'd gone to a hospital with a duffel bag full of guns and just shot every patient he found in the head. At least that would have been quick and relatively painless.
People suffer, people die. That's life. Get over it.
Should we harvest the organs of coma victims, the severely mentally retarded, and those with Alzheimers too?
They're equally unthinking, and that could save a lot of lives?
Disclaimer: three years ago, on another site, "Vlad" became the only person to label me a "troll" in my 15 years on internet boards. This is just a note to remark that he is obviously mentally ill, it's getting worse, and he should seek help.
Baseball content: good luck to Suppan. Maybe some of his synapses have bounced back in his time off.
That's street slang, see, it means statements made under the influence of quaaludes.
Then died in a fire? You've got some issues.
I'm sorry that happened to you. But if you were close to someone suffering from one of those horrible illnesses, and felt stem cells were the best path to a miracle cure, I think you could better understand his perspective. I'm not defending his invective against Suppan, I'm just pointing out how horribly frustrating it must feel for anyone in that situation, and if it was me, I might do a lot more than post on the internet about it.
When the Catholic church takes morally indefensible positions, it's time to join a different church. You can be religious without backing morally indefensible positions.(Indeed, religion is supposed to be about morality.) I suspect this is the reason why Catholic churches are closing all over North America.
FTFBN :)
Where was this? I don't remember you at all.
"For you, the day Bison graced your village was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday."
Of course not - those are people.
Spoken like someone who's never known anyone with severe mental retardation, or interacted with an Alzheimer's patient. Their brains may not work exactly right, but they remain people through every minute of their ordeal. Unlike stem cells, which have no brain at all, since they're just, y'know, undifferentiated cells.
Jeff Suppan was always an active member of the community during the time with the Cardinals and was one of the most approachable players I've ever encountered. I sincerely doubt he has even fumes left in the tank, but nothing but the best of luck to him with the Pads, as it'd be fun to see him take advantage of Petco and hang around for another season.
No one objects to using adult stem cells. The issue is where you get the embryonic stem cells, which is not from "undifferentiated cells", it's from aborting a baby.
The fetuses whose stem cells would have been used had already been aborted. The only question was whether it would have been better to use those stem cells to save lives and alleviate the suffering of the afflicted, or discard them as medical waste. So by opposing the research, all that Suppan did was ensure that the stem cells ended up getting dumped in a bag with tumors and used syringes and the glop sucked out of fat ladies' asses, and then taken to an incinerator and burned into a fine powder. Even if someone believes, as you do, that abortion is murder, how is that a better outcome?
I'm registered as an organ donor. I like having all of my parts, and I'm going to keep as many of them as possible for as long as I live, but once I'm dead, they're just meat. If my corneas, or my heart, or my bone marrow, can let some father go home to his kids, or help a blind woman see, then how could I reasonably deny them the use of those parts once I'm dead and gone? Take 'em. Take 'em all.
Saying Embroynic Stem cells comes from abortions is extremely inaccurate. Also, to claim that these eggs are even at the point of conception severely stretches the term.
If someone comes up to you and hands you a lollipop and says he stole it from a kid in the burn ward would you take it? Would you want somebody else to take it? Why not? It has already been stolen, you taking it doesn't change the fact that it was stolen.
That's a terrible analogy. Stem cells aren't "stolen" from anyone, and medicine is a hell of a lot more important than candy.
Agreed.
The Catholic Church, however, is worse than the Mafia.
You're conflating non-marital sex, with marital sex. That's your mistake.
The Church views non-marital sex as a sin, so of course it wants there to be less of it. Avoiding sin is kind of a big part of the religion.
For married people, it the exact opposite. Hell, the old shibboleth against the Church was that it encouraged its members to breed to rabbits to generate "Papist armies", that would overwhelm "real (Protestan) Americans".
The Church has never discouraged marital sex in the least, though some puritanical types have drawn on St. Augustine to reach that spurious conclusion.
Hell, read JP 2's writings on the subject. He even talks about a husband's responsibility to bring his wife to climax.
My aunt, a non-Catholic, confided to me more than I ever wanted to hear, that her husband, a very devout Catholic, refused to have sex with her because she was past the childbearing age. His priest, according to him, said it would be a sin.
I am nondenominational, I hate fundamentalist Christians, Jews and Moslems equally. (Odd I spent my last vacation, only a couple of weeks ago, visiting many religious temples.)
Then why forbid the priesthood to marry and multiply? Seems like a huge contradiction there.
Well, that's not a general rule. There are thousands of married priests, both in the Eastern and Oriental Catholic Churches, and among Protestant converts. The caveat is that a man must be married before ordination. A married man can be ordained a priest (but not a bishop), a priest can not get married.
There's a tradition, going back to St. Paul, but really emphasized by the monastics and Mendicant Orders (Franciscans and Dominicans) that a celibate better serves the Lord, b/c he doesn't have "two masters", i.e. God and his wife. Also, a priest is view to act as Christ in his ministries, "in personae Christi", and Christ didn't marry.
So, the general tradition of the Latin Church has been celibacy for priests. But, it's a "small t" tradition, not doctrinal or dogma, and has exceptions, and is subject to change.
In the Eastern and Oriental Churches (both Catholic and Orthodox) the tradition is for parish priests to be married, and monks celibate, with bishops coming solely from the monks, or parish priest who are widowers.
Long story short, both traditions are valid, and have pluses and minuses.
They have the same number of Masses, and they're all generally well-attended. But there are fewer priests.
Okay fine, if someone comes up to you with a kidney that you happen to need and he tells you that he killed a kid in the burn ward for it and he is offering it to you would you take it?
Why, it's almost as if people use scripture/dogma as a justification for whatever personal behaviors/beliefs/inactions (in this case) they wish to justify!
As opposed to throwing it in the trash? Sure.
The kid is dead no matter what I do. Might as well make some use of his parts.
AND especially if the kid was a brat. The world needs less bratty kids.
I'd take that kidney, get me some fava beans and chianti...and well you know the rest.
If a guy who just killed somebody tells me to take anything from him, I'm taking it with a big smile on my face, because I don't want to end up with that guy offering my kidney to the next guy to walk down the alley.
See, I would use Hitler's pen, just in case there's an afterlife. I'd write all sorts of nice things about Judaism and Hitler will just have to sit there and watch his pen get used and nothing he can do without it.
If there's an afterlife, Hitler has got a lot more to worry about than what you do with his pen.
As such, Hitler's window for acquiring a high-quality ballpoint pen would have been fairly narrow, since Biro didn't get his first patent until 1938.
Well, that would be interesting, since I don't think Judaism has any on single clear teaching on what the afterlife is like. At least I've never heard one.
Some Jews have a similar conception to the Christian Heaven/Hell dichotomy, but that's far from universal.
You may find The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks by Rebecca Skloot to be interesting reading.
http://www.amazon.com/Immortal-Life-Henrietta-Lacks/dp/1400052173
Interesting - thanks for the tip. Added it to my wishlist on LibraryThing.
Only on BTF!
Oh puh-leeze. The crime here is not monetizing some very useful cancer cell, it's experimenting on people without their knowledge. The crime is not that Henrietta's children lacked health care - it's that ANY children lacked health care! For every Henrietta Lacks there were, what, 10,000 people who's tissue samples DID NOT become a billion dollar industry. So HeLa heirs should be compensated because of a genetic happenstance?
That being said, there should probably be a few statues of her with the story.
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