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Friday, February 10, 2012

Nightengale: Jeff Suppan leaves restaurant business to sign with Padres

Bloomin’ onion! $950K for a minor-league invite.

Suppan, who helped the St. Louis Cardinals win a World Series in 2006, and was a prized free-agent earning $42 million over four years with the Milwaukee Brewers, badly wanted one last chance. A veteran of 16 major-league seasons, he had had been feverishly working out in hopes someone will at least extend a spring-training invitation to their big-league camp.

He was throwing bullpen sessions several mornings each week with a musician friend.

He was working at his restaurant - Soup’s Sports Grill in Woodland Hills, Calif. - during the afternoon and evening.

And he was spending the rest of his winter anxiously awaiting his phone to ring.

Greg Franklin Posted: February 10, 2012 at 10:49 AM | 60 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Tricky Dick Posted: February 10, 2012 at 02:45 PM (#4058177)
It makes sense that a player with the nickname "Soup" gets into the restaurant business. If Suppan is going to make a comeback, I guess Petco is a good place to try.
   2. LionoftheSenate (is the grammer police!) Posted: February 11, 2012 at 03:41 AM (#4058686)
5 Soups for $950k total less than $5 and BTF has almost half of their pitching roster filled out. This gives us so much more to spend elsewhere!!! Get the concept people!
   3. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 11, 2012 at 09:24 AM (#4058719)
Suppan's a terrible person. I hope he falls flat on his ass this spring.
   4. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: February 11, 2012 at 10:48 AM (#4058753)
Suppan's a terrible person.


He is?
   5. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 11, 2012 at 12:07 PM (#4058778)
He is?


Suppan's a devout Catholic. He appeared in the ad opposing Missouri's embryonic stem cell amendment, which is apparently enough for damnation to a lifetime of terribleness.

Of course, his wikipedia page currently includes a rather eye-popping claim about fastballs, fireworks and school children, though that could simply be the work of an imaginative foe with a track record as a wikipedia editor.
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 11, 2012 at 12:15 PM (#4058780)
Suppan's a devout Catholic. He appeared in the ad opposing Missouri's embryonic stem cell amendment, which is apparently enough for damnation to a lifetime of terribleness.

Of course, his wikipedia page currently includes a rather eye-popping claim about fastballs, fireworks and school children, though that could simply be the work of an imaginative foe with a track record as a wikipedia editor.


Yeah, I think the snippet below is a disgruntled Brewer fan who can't spell. "Lude comments", really?

A little known fact is that in his free time Jeff likes to teach. He teaches kids how to be below average at pitching as well as how to underachieve. In 2006, shortly after signing a contract that essentially robbed the Brewers, Suppan was seen smoking cigars outside of a high school. When confronted by a teacher he started screaming, "Do you know who I am? Can you even comprehend what a 79 mph fastball to your head would do?" He preceded this confrontation by jogging around the school throwing firecrackers in class rooms and tickling children making lude comments about how strong he is and how he possibly couldn't get "more ripped".


But SoSH, get with the times. Of course all us devout Catholics are terrible people. We want to force women to have babies that we can then roast as BBQ, or put to work as slave labor in our vast, secret, gold mines.
   7. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 11, 2012 at 12:36 PM (#4058795)
Yeah, I think the snippet below is a disgruntled Brewer fan who can't spell.


You're probably right. I guess that lets our Rust Belt-residing wiki editor, a much better speller, off the hook.

   8. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 11, 2012 at 12:54 PM (#4058806)
He appeared in the ad opposing Missouri's embryonic stem cell amendment, which is apparently enough for damnation to a lifetime of terribleness.


He placed the well-being of a group of unthinking cell cultures in a test tube over the well-being of real people afflicted with terrible diseases in the real world. He did his level best to ensure that people with Parkinson's and Huntington's and MS and Alzheimer's would suffer and degenerate and die, when they might have recovered and lived happy, productive lives.

It would have been kinder if he'd gone to a hospital with a duffel bag full of guns and just shot every patient he found in the head. At least that would have been quick and relatively painless.
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 11, 2012 at 01:00 PM (#4058812)
He placed the well-being of a group of unthinking cell cultures in a test tube over the well-being of real people afflicted with terrible diseases in the real world. He did his level best to ensure that people with Parkinson's and Huntington's and MS and Alzheimer's would suffer and degenerate and die, when they might have recovered and lived happy, productive lives.

It would have been kinder if he'd gone to a hospital with a duffel bag full of guns and just shot every patient he found in the head. At least that would have been quick and relatively painless.


People suffer, people die. That's life. Get over it.

Should we harvest the organs of coma victims, the severely mentally retarded, and those with Alzheimers too?

They're equally unthinking, and that could save a lot of lives?

   10. Tripon Posted: February 11, 2012 at 01:06 PM (#4058817)
If you wanted to harvest organs from willing and able people, you should be able to pay for it. It'll be the ultimate form of insurance, pay a guy $50,000 and see how long he can last, will it be months, or decades?
   11. Rennie's Tenet Posted: February 11, 2012 at 01:45 PM (#4058846)
It would have been kinder if he'd gone to a hospital with a duffel bag full of guns and just shot every patient he found in the head. At least that would have been quick and relatively painless.


Disclaimer: three years ago, on another site, "Vlad" became the only person to label me a "troll" in my 15 years on internet boards. This is just a note to remark that he is obviously mentally ill, it's getting worse, and he should seek help.

Baseball content: good luck to Suppan. Maybe some of his synapses have bounced back in his time off.
   12. Darnell McDonald had a farm Posted: February 11, 2012 at 01:48 PM (#4058851)
He was terrible for the Red Sox, that's all I know
   13. Slivers of Maranville (SdeB) Posted: February 11, 2012 at 02:03 PM (#4058864)
"Lude comments",


That's street slang, see, it means statements made under the influence of quaaludes.
   14. The DA Baracus Hypothesis Posted: February 11, 2012 at 02:34 PM (#4058874)
It would have been kinder if he'd gone to a hospital with a duffel bag full of guns and just shot every patient he found in the head. At least that would have been quick and relatively painless.


Then died in a fire? You've got some issues.
   15. ValueArbitrageur Posted: February 11, 2012 at 03:18 PM (#4058900)
Disclaimer: three years ago, on another site, "Vlad" became the only person to label me a "troll" in my 15 years on internet boards. This is just a note to remark that he is obviously mentally ill, it's getting worse, and he should seek help.


I'm sorry that happened to you. But if you were close to someone suffering from one of those horrible illnesses, and felt stem cells were the best path to a miracle cure, I think you could better understand his perspective. I'm not defending his invective against Suppan, I'm just pointing out how horribly frustrating it must feel for anyone in that situation, and if it was me, I might do a lot more than post on the internet about it.
   16. Tripon Posted: February 11, 2012 at 03:56 PM (#4058914)
I'm not sorry that happened to you. Being labeled a troll on the internet is like saying most guys like to see attractive women.
   17. The District Attorney Posted: February 11, 2012 at 04:56 PM (#4058947)
It makes sense that a player with the nickname "Soup" gets into the restaurant business.
His restaurant's soup was average, but cost $150 a bowl.
   18. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: February 11, 2012 at 05:08 PM (#4058955)
Suppan's a devout Catholic. He appeared in the ad opposing Missouri's embryonic stem cell amendment, which is apparently enough for damnation to a lifetime of terribleness.


When the Catholic church takes morally indefensible positions, it's time to join a different church. You can be religious without backing morally indefensible positions.(Indeed, religion is supposed to be about morality.) I suspect this is the reason why Catholic churches are closing all over North America.
   19. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: February 11, 2012 at 05:29 PM (#4058968)
To the previous post, so as not to be an ####### about it, I should add that I know it's a difficult thing to deal with, and I'm generally sympathetic toward Catholics. I suppose I technically still am one myself.
   20. bobm Posted: February 11, 2012 at 05:35 PM (#4058975)
[1] It makes sense that a player with the nickname "Soup" gets into the restaurant business.

Nightengale: Jeff No Suppan leaves restaurant business to sign with Padres For You, Woodland Hills


FTFBN :)
   21. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 11, 2012 at 07:30 PM (#4059024)
Disclaimer: three years ago, on another site, "Vlad" became the only person to label me a "troll" in my 15 years on internet boards. This is just a note to remark that he is obviously mentally ill, it's getting worse, and he should seek help.


Where was this? I don't remember you at all.

"For you, the day Bison graced your village was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday."
   22. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 11, 2012 at 07:39 PM (#4059030)
Should we harvest the organs of coma victims, the severely mentally retarded, and those with Alzheimers too?


Of course not - those are people.

They're equally unthinking, and that could save a lot of lives?


Spoken like someone who's never known anyone with severe mental retardation, or interacted with an Alzheimer's patient. Their brains may not work exactly right, but they remain people through every minute of their ordeal. Unlike stem cells, which have no brain at all, since they're just, y'know, undifferentiated cells.
   23. jdbkaput Posted: February 11, 2012 at 08:00 PM (#4059044)
I'm sure this palaver with one of the board's true-blue psychotics is very interesting, but returning to topic...

Jeff Suppan was always an active member of the community during the time with the Cardinals and was one of the most approachable players I've ever encountered. I sincerely doubt he has even fumes left in the tank, but nothing but the best of luck to him with the Pads, as it'd be fun to see him take advantage of Petco and hang around for another season.
   24. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 11, 2012 at 10:16 PM (#4059088)
Unlike stem cells, which have no brain at all, since they're just, y'know, undifferentiated cells.

No one objects to using adult stem cells. The issue is where you get the embryonic stem cells, which is not from "undifferentiated cells", it's from aborting a baby.
   25. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM (#4059106)
No one objects to using adult stem cells. The issue is where you get the embryonic stem cells, which is not from "undifferentiated cells", it's from aborting a baby.


The fetuses whose stem cells would have been used had already been aborted. The only question was whether it would have been better to use those stem cells to save lives and alleviate the suffering of the afflicted, or discard them as medical waste. So by opposing the research, all that Suppan did was ensure that the stem cells ended up getting dumped in a bag with tumors and used syringes and the glop sucked out of fat ladies' asses, and then taken to an incinerator and burned into a fine powder. Even if someone believes, as you do, that abortion is murder, how is that a better outcome?

I'm registered as an organ donor. I like having all of my parts, and I'm going to keep as many of them as possible for as long as I live, but once I'm dead, they're just meat. If my corneas, or my heart, or my bone marrow, can let some father go home to his kids, or help a blind woman see, then how could I reasonably deny them the use of those parts once I'm dead and gone? Take 'em. Take 'em all.
   26. Tripon Posted: February 11, 2012 at 11:13 PM (#4059112)
Embryonic stem cells (ES cells) are pluripotent stem cells derived from the inner cell mass of the blastocyst, an early-stage embryo.[1] Human embryos reach the blastocyst stage 14–15 days post fertilization, at which time they consist of 500–1000 cells. Isolating the embryoblast or inner cell mass (ICM) results in destruction of the fertilized human embryo, which raises ethical issues.


Saying Embroynic Stem cells comes from abortions is extremely inaccurate. Also, to claim that these eggs are even at the point of conception severely stretches the term.
   27. McCoy Posted: February 12, 2012 at 12:42 AM (#4059142)
Even if it was true that the cells are from already aborted fetuses it still is quite understandable that some people would not want them used.

If someone comes up to you and hands you a lollipop and says he stole it from a kid in the burn ward would you take it? Would you want somebody else to take it? Why not? It has already been stolen, you taking it doesn't change the fact that it was stolen.
   28. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 12, 2012 at 01:02 AM (#4059149)
If someone comes up to you and hands you a lollipop and says he stole it from a kid in the burn ward would you take it? Would you want somebody else to take it? Why not? It has already been stolen, you taking it doesn't change the fact that it was stolen.


That's a terrible analogy. Stem cells aren't "stolen" from anyone, and medicine is a hell of a lot more important than candy.
   29. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: February 12, 2012 at 01:17 AM (#4059158)
If someone comes up to you and hands you a lollipop and says he stole it from a kid in the burn ward would you take it? Would you want somebody else to take it?
If the kid in the burn ward is dead, and if that lollipop could possibly save my life and the lives of many others, then yes.
   30. Squash Posted: February 12, 2012 at 06:34 AM (#4059197)
Most Catholics I know are great, nice people. Very approachable. But at some point the Catholic Church decided the prevention of sex was its primary directive, and that's when everything went off the rails.
   31. Joe Bivens, Idiot Posted: February 12, 2012 at 10:48 AM (#4059226)
I don't know. Less sex, less people. Less people, less problems.
   32. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Molina Posted: February 12, 2012 at 11:22 AM (#4059233)
Most Catholics I know are great, nice people. Very approachable.


Agreed.

The Catholic Church, however, is worse than the Mafia.
   33. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 12, 2012 at 12:29 PM (#4059265)
Most Catholics I know are great, nice people. Very approachable. But at some point the Catholic Church decided the prevention of sex was its primary directive, and that's when everything went off the rails.

You're conflating non-marital sex, with marital sex. That's your mistake.

The Church views non-marital sex as a sin, so of course it wants there to be less of it. Avoiding sin is kind of a big part of the religion.

For married people, it the exact opposite. Hell, the old shibboleth against the Church was that it encouraged its members to breed to rabbits to generate "Papist armies", that would overwhelm "real (Protestan) Americans".

The Church has never discouraged marital sex in the least, though some puritanical types have drawn on St. Augustine to reach that spurious conclusion.

Hell, read JP 2's writings on the subject. He even talks about a husband's responsibility to bring his wife to climax.
   34. Something Other Posted: February 12, 2012 at 01:04 PM (#4059276)
Hell, read JP 2's writings on the subject. He even talks about a husband's responsibility to bring his wife to climax.
Without illustrations it's just lip service.
   35. Hack Wilson Posted: February 12, 2012 at 01:13 PM (#4059278)

The Church has never discouraged marital sex in the least,


My aunt, a non-Catholic, confided to me more than I ever wanted to hear, that her husband, a very devout Catholic, refused to have sex with her because she was past the childbearing age. His priest, according to him, said it would be a sin.

I am nondenominational, I hate fundamentalist Christians, Jews and Moslems equally. (Odd I spent my last vacation, only a couple of weeks ago, visiting many religious temples.)
   36. Tripon Posted: February 12, 2012 at 01:39 PM (#4059291)

The Church views non-marital sex as a sin, so of course it wants there to be less of it. Avoiding sin is kind of a big part of the religion.

For married people, it the exact opposite. Hell, the old shibboleth against the Church was that it encouraged its members to breed to rabbits to generate "Papist armies", that would overwhelm "real (Protestan) Americans".

The Church has never discouraged marital sex in the least, though some puritanical types have drawn on St. Augustine to reach that spurious conclusion.


Then why forbid the priesthood to marry and multiply? Seems like a huge contradiction there.
   37. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 12, 2012 at 02:45 PM (#4059331)
Then why forbid the priesthood to marry and multiply? Seems like a huge contradiction there.

Well, that's not a general rule. There are thousands of married priests, both in the Eastern and Oriental Catholic Churches, and among Protestant converts. The caveat is that a man must be married before ordination. A married man can be ordained a priest (but not a bishop), a priest can not get married.

There's a tradition, going back to St. Paul, but really emphasized by the monastics and Mendicant Orders (Franciscans and Dominicans) that a celibate better serves the Lord, b/c he doesn't have "two masters", i.e. God and his wife. Also, a priest is view to act as Christ in his ministries, "in personae Christi", and Christ didn't marry.

So, the general tradition of the Latin Church has been celibacy for priests. But, it's a "small t" tradition, not doctrinal or dogma, and has exceptions, and is subject to change.

In the Eastern and Oriental Churches (both Catholic and Orthodox) the tradition is for parish priests to be married, and monks celibate, with bishops coming solely from the monks, or parish priest who are widowers.

Long story short, both traditions are valid, and have pluses and minuses.
   38. villageidiom Posted: February 12, 2012 at 03:02 PM (#4059335)
I suspect this is the reason why Catholic churches are closing all over North America.
Shortage of priests, not Catholics. Our parish hasn't diminished, nor have the other three in my town; yet the four parishes now share two pastors. A childhood friend of mine was ordained maybe ten years ago, and he was quickly made the pastor of three parishes, each about 50 miles away from the other two. My childhood parish had four priests when I left town; they're back "up" to two again.

They have the same number of Masses, and they're all generally well-attended. But there are fewer priests.
   39. McCoy Posted: February 12, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4059350)
That's a terrible analogy. Stem cells aren't "stolen" from anyone, and medicine is a hell of a lot more important than candy.

Okay fine, if someone comes up to you with a kidney that you happen to need and he tells you that he killed a kid in the burn ward for it and he is offering it to you would you take it?
   40. Joe Bivens, Idiot Posted: February 12, 2012 at 04:38 PM (#4059369)
Ov vey iz meer.
   41. Something Other Posted: February 12, 2012 at 08:56 PM (#4059482)
@39: Of course. The kidney doesn't know where it came from.
   42. retro-shiite Posted: February 12, 2012 at 09:45 PM (#4059497)
My aunt, a non-Catholic, confided to me more than I ever wanted to hear, that her husband, a very devout Catholic, refused to have sex with her because she was past the childbearing age. His priest, according to him, said it would be a sin.

Why, it's almost as if people use scripture/dogma as a justification for whatever personal behaviors/beliefs/inactions (in this case) they wish to justify!
   43. CrosbyBird Posted: February 12, 2012 at 09:48 PM (#4059499)
Okay fine, if someone comes up to you with a kidney that you happen to need and he tells you that he killed a kid in the burn ward for it and he is offering it to you would you take it?

As opposed to throwing it in the trash? Sure.

The kid is dead no matter what I do. Might as well make some use of his parts.
   44. Shock Posted: February 12, 2012 at 10:53 PM (#4059531)
I remember reading a study a while ago that showed that most people would not use a ball point pen if they were told it was once owned by Adolf Hitler.
   45. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: February 13, 2012 at 12:53 AM (#4059570)
Okay fine, if someone comes up to you with a kidney that you happen to need and he tells you that he killed a kid in the burn ward for it and he is offering it to you would you take it?

AND especially if the kid was a brat. The world needs less bratty kids.

I'd take that kidney, get me some fava beans and chianti...and well you know the rest.
   46. Tuque Posted: February 13, 2012 at 04:11 AM (#4059599)
I wouldn't use a ballpoint pen if it were once owned by Hitler, because a seventy-year-old ballpoint pen is probably out of ink.
   47. Tripon Posted: February 13, 2012 at 04:19 AM (#4059600)
I would personally sell it on auction. I could get the history honks, the White Superemists, and the Ironic hipsters to bid big on Hitler memorabilia.
   48. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 13, 2012 at 09:15 AM (#4059623)
Okay fine, if someone comes up to you with a kidney that you happen to need and he tells you that he killed a kid in the burn ward for it and he is offering it to you would you take it?


If a guy who just killed somebody tells me to take anything from him, I'm taking it with a big smile on my face, because I don't want to end up with that guy offering my kidney to the next guy to walk down the alley.
   49. Dan Szymborski Posted: February 13, 2012 at 10:01 AM (#4059637)
I remember reading a study a while ago that showed that most people would not use a ball point pen if they were told it was once owned by Adolf Hitler.


See, I would use Hitler's pen, just in case there's an afterlife. I'd write all sorts of nice things about Judaism and Hitler will just have to sit there and watch his pen get used and nothing he can do without it.
   50. villageidiom Posted: February 13, 2012 at 10:16 AM (#4059647)
I would take Hitler's pen, stick a stolen kidney on it, then give it to a kid in the burn ward as a lollipop. Top that!
   51. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 13, 2012 at 10:16 AM (#4059649)
See, I would use Hitler's pen, just in case there's an afterlife. I'd write all sorts of nice things about Judaism and Hitler will just have to sit there and watch his pen get used and nothing he can do without it.

If there's an afterlife, Hitler has got a lot more to worry about than what you do with his pen.
   52. McCoy Posted: February 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM (#4059675)
What if it turns out that Judaism has it right on the afterlife?
   53. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 13, 2012 at 11:08 AM (#4059677)
As an interesting historical note, the guy who's often regarded as the inventor of the modern ballpoint pen, Laszlo Biro, fled Nazi Germany in 1941, opened a factory in Argentina in 1943, and shortly thereafter became the primary supplier of pens to the RAF (since his pens worked better than fountain pens at high altitudes).

As such, Hitler's window for acquiring a high-quality ballpoint pen would have been fairly narrow, since Biro didn't get his first patent until 1938.
   54. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 13, 2012 at 11:12 AM (#4059682)
What if it turns out that Judaism has it right on the afterlife?

Well, that would be interesting, since I don't think Judaism has any on single clear teaching on what the afterlife is like. At least I've never heard one.

Some Jews have a similar conception to the Christian Heaven/Hell dichotomy, but that's far from universal.
   55. bobm Posted: February 13, 2012 at 11:17 AM (#4059691)
[28] Stem cells aren't "stolen" from anyone, and medicine is a hell of a lot more important than candy.

You may find The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks by Rebecca Skloot to be interesting reading.

http://www.amazon.com/Immortal-Life-Henrietta-Lacks/dp/1400052173


Book Description
Publication Date: February 2, 2010

Her name was Henrietta Lacks, but scientists know her as HeLa. She was a poor Southern tobacco farmer who worked the same land as her slave ancestors, yet her cells—taken without her knowledge—became one of the most important tools in medicine. The first “immortal” human cells grown in culture, they are still alive today, though she has been dead for more than sixty years. If you could pile all HeLa cells ever grown onto a scale, they’d weigh more than 50 million metric tons—as much as a hundred Empire State Buildings. HeLa cells were vital for developing the polio vaccine; uncovered secrets of cancer, viruses, and the atom bomb’s effects; helped lead to important advances like in vitro fertilization, cloning, and gene mapping; and have been bought and sold by the billions.

Yet Henrietta Lacks remains virtually unknown, buried in an unmarked grave.

Now Rebecca Skloot takes us on an extraordinary journey, from the “colored” ward of Johns Hopkins Hospital in the 1950s to stark white laboratories with freezers full of HeLa cells; from Henrietta’s small, dying hometown of Clover, Virginia—a land of wooden slave quarters, faith healings, and voodoo—to East Baltimore today, where her children and grandchildren live and struggle with the legacy of her cells.

Henrietta’s family did not learn of her “immortality” until more than twenty years after her death, when scientists investigating HeLa began using her husband and children in research without informed consent. And though the cells had launched a multimillion-dollar industry that sells human biological materials, her family never saw any of the profits. As Rebecca Skloot so brilliantly shows, the story of the Lacks family—past and present—is inextricably connected to the dark history of experimentation on African Americans, the birth of bioethics, and the legal battles over whether we control the stuff we are made of.

Over the decade it took to uncover this story, Rebecca became enmeshed in the lives of the Lacks family—especially Henrietta’s daughter Deborah, who was devastated to learn about her mother’s cells. She was consumed with questions: Had scientists cloned her mother? Did it hurt her when researchers infected her cells with viruses and shot them into space? What happened to her sister, Elsie, who died in a mental institution at the age of fifteen? And if her mother was so important to medicine, why couldn’t her children afford health insurance?

Intimate in feeling, astonishing in scope, and impossible to put down, The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks captures the beauty and drama of scientific discovery, as well as its human consequences.
   56. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 13, 2012 at 12:29 PM (#4059769)
You may find The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks by Rebecca Skloot to be interesting reading.


Interesting - thanks for the tip. Added it to my wishlist on LibraryThing.
   57. Something Other Posted: February 13, 2012 at 06:57 PM (#4060192)
Amazing story, bobm. Thanks for posting it.

As an interesting historical note, the guy who's often regarded as the inventor of the modern ballpoint pen, Laszlo Biro, fled Nazi Germany in 1941, opened a factory in Argentina in 1943, and shortly thereafter became the primary supplier of pens to the RAF (since his pens worked better than fountain pens at high altitudes).

As such, Hitler's window for acquiring a high-quality ballpoint pen would have been fairly narrow, since Biro didn't get his first patent until 1938.
Only on BTF!
   58. zenbitz Posted: February 13, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4060235)
Henrietta’s family did not learn of her “immortality” until more than twenty years after her death, when scientists investigating HeLa began using her husband and children in research without informed consent. And though the cells had launched a multimillion-dollar industry that sells human biological materials, her family never saw any of the profits.


Oh puh-leeze. The crime here is not monetizing some very useful cancer cell, it's experimenting on people without their knowledge. The crime is not that Henrietta's children lacked health care - it's that ANY children lacked health care! For every Henrietta Lacks there were, what, 10,000 people who's tissue samples DID NOT become a billion dollar industry. So HeLa heirs should be compensated because of a genetic happenstance?

That being said, there should probably be a few statues of her with the story.
   59. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: February 13, 2012 at 08:35 PM (#4060257)
There was no crime at all. Her daughter's complaints are ridiculous. Somebody may as well pay her off so she'll go away, though--that's the American way.
   60. Something Other Posted: February 13, 2012 at 11:59 PM (#4060356)
True. When I want to play with someone's cells and they object or want compensation, I just figure they're being a dick.

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