Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Wednesday, August 08, 2012

NL Cy Young Award conversation starts with closers Chapman, Kimbrel

“Below the surface of that number are other numbers”, and it’s turtles all the way down.

I asked four baseball writers at CBSSports.com and one at Yahoo Sports for their top-three Cy Young ballot if the season ended today. None of them named [Aroldis] Chapman or [Craig] Kimbrel…

Chapman is allowing four hits per nine innings. That level of stinginess has never happened over the course of a full season, not for a pitcher with at least 50 innings thrown (Chapman is at 53 2/3). Aroldis Chapman is the most unhittable pitcher in baseball—or he would be, if Craig Kimbrel weren’t having the season he’s having. Kimbrel is allowing only 3.6 hits per nine innings, which is patently absurd.

Chapman is striking out 16.8 batters per nine innings, which means he has turned the National League into Little League. That’s never been done either, by the way. No pitcher with at least 50 innings—hell, no pitcher with even 25 innings—has ever matched Chapman’s strikeout rate.

Not even Kimbrel, who’s at 15.6 strikeouts per nine innings. That, of course, has been done—three times. In 100-plus years of Major League Baseball.

So what we have here are two closers who are (A) allowing less hits per nine innings than anyone ever has while (B) striking out more batters per nine innings than anyone has…

[R.A.] Dickey, [Johnny] Cueto, [Matt] Cain, [Clayton] Kershaw—lots of starters having great seasons are on pace to throw 200-plus innings, potentially tripling Chapman or Kimbrel.

But below the surface of that number are other numbers. Kimbrel’s ERA is 1.29. Chapman’s is slightly behind that at 1.34, but against National League foes, his ERA is 0.19.

Read that again, please.

Chapman’s ERA in 48 1/3 innings against National League opposition is zero point one-nine. Again, that’s Little League stuff.

Chapman had a bad stretch in June during interleague play, which counts and matters, but still. If we’re talking about the National League’s best pitcher, well, here’s a closer who has held NL foes to 3.3 hits per nine innings while striking out nearly 20 batters per nine…

You can see who would get my vote Cy Young [sic], if the season ended today: Aroldis Chapman. But I would settle for Craig Kimbrel.

Anyone else? There isn’t anyone else.

The District Attorney Posted: August 08, 2012 at 12:23 PM | 5 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: aroldis chapman, awards, braves, craig kimbrel, cy young award, reds

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: August 08, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4203405)
So what we have here are two closers who are (A) allowing less hits per nine innings than anyone ever has while (B) striking out more batters per nine innings than anyone has…

You can see who would get my vote Cy Young [sic], if the season ended today: Aroldis Chapman. But I would settle for Craig Kimbrel.


If sportswriters cared about these records as much as they cared about home run records, Chapman and Kimbrel wouldn't even be on their sanctimonious ballots due to the taint of steroids.
   2. madvillain Posted: August 08, 2012 at 02:16 PM (#4203421)
MLB K rates are at an all time high, so it takes a little sparkle off what Chapman and Kimbrel are doing. Hitters just aren't afraid to strike out anymore and don't "shorten up" when in a 2 strike count. That said, their performances are extraordinary, but giving the Cy Young to someone who is going to throw around 60 innings is absurd. By bWAR, Chapman is 13th in the NL for pitchers and Kimbrel is 24th.
   3. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: August 08, 2012 at 02:20 PM (#4203425)
I can see why this guy is looking at relievers, since these two are having historically great seasons in the metrics he cites. The starters -- Johnny Cueto and RA Dickey aren't that exciting and Clayton Kershaw is no better than he was last year, or if he is it's not obvious. A guy looking for a new story will look at Chapman and Kimbrel.
   4. The District Attorney Posted: August 08, 2012 at 02:21 PM (#4203427)
   5. John DiFool2 Posted: August 08, 2012 at 07:24 PM (#4203781)
The dupe thread is getting a lot more responses, but at the risk of killing this one I will say that hitters today aren't any better w/ 2 strikes than they were say 24 years ago: .184/.248/.266 in 1988, and .177/.244/.269. K rate with 2 strikes was about 33% then, 40% now. If they are gaining an edge by not "cutting down their swings", I don't see it-works both ways tho I don't see an advantage in the 1988 numbers either.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Traderdave
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogMiguel Sano leads best MLB mistake hitters | MLB.com
(3 - 11:19am, Feb 12)
Last: Mike Webber

NewsblogOTP - 2016 February 8: There’s baseball, politics … and real problems
(1619 - 11:17am, Feb 12)
Last: Kiko Sakata

NewsblogEx-MLB commissioner Bud Selig to teach at Arizona State's law school
(43 - 11:16am, Feb 12)
Last: What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face?

NewsblogPrimer Dugout (and link of the day) 2-12-2016
(9 - 11:02am, Feb 12)
Last: Jose Remains The Most Absurd Thing on the Site

NewsblogOT: Soccer Thread - February 2016
(148 - 10:51am, Feb 12)
Last: jmurph

NewsblogOT: Monthly NBA Thread - February 2016
(709 - 10:33am, Feb 12)
Last: sardonic

NewsblogKeith Law: 2016 ranking of all 30 farm systems (INSIDER)
(54 - 10:26am, Feb 12)
Last: DL from MN

NewsblogLorenzo Cain and A.J. Pollock Sign Atypical Contracts | FanGraphs Baseball
(2 - 10:14am, Feb 12)
Last: Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos

NewsblogDeveloping The baseballr Package For R – The Hardball Times
(5 - 10:12am, Feb 12)
Last: AROM

NewsblogThe BtBS guide to analytics tools and resources - Beyond the Box Score
(1 - 10:06am, Feb 12)
Last: Frank Malzone Rating (GGC)

NewsblogThe Uncertain Timetable for Cord-Cutting in Baseball's Future
(71 - 9:50am, Feb 12)
Last: snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster)

NewsblogThe Crack in the Defensive Spectrum
(43 - 6:55am, Feb 12)
Last: Mudpout

NewsblogHall of Fame voters exhibit a clear anti-recency bias.
(7 - 8:16pm, Feb 11)
Last: Ulysses S. Fairsmith

NewsblogMLB New data results show high school baseball similar to MLB
(1 - 8:09pm, Feb 11)
Last: Belfry Bob

NewsblogBrian Kenny: HALL OF FAME'S ANTI-RECENCY BIAS
(62 - 7:24pm, Feb 11)
Last: CrosbyBird

Page rendered in 0.2883 seconds
47 querie(s) executed