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Thursday, October 19, 2017

NLCS Game 5 OMNICHATTER, for October 19, 2017

Dodgers lead the Cubs, 3-1.

LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 19, 2017 at 02:20 PM | 275 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 19, 2017 at 03:06 PM (#5558206)
Let's go Cubbies! Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap!
   2. Kiko Sakata Posted: October 19, 2017 at 03:24 PM (#5558214)
Cubs' lineup:

Almora CF
Schwarber LF
Bryant 3B
Rizzo 1B
Contreras C
Russell SS
Baez 2B
Zobrist RF
Quintana P

I'm not a huge fan of Maddon's recent move dropping Bryant-Rizzo-Contreras from 2-3-4 to 3-4-5. But, other than that, if we take it for granted that Ian Happ can't start a playoff game, this lineup looks solid.

Which begs the question, why can't Ian Happ start a playoff game (batting 8, playing RF tonight)?
   3. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 03:25 PM (#5558215)
Cubs going with the same lineup as yesterday, except Zobrist in RF/hitting 8th for Jay.

I think I'm ok with this.
   4. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 03:27 PM (#5558216)
Which begs the question, why can't Ian Happ start a playoff game (batting 8, playing RF tonight)?

Happ started 8 games in RF, and I can't seem to recall many. Zobrist doesn't have a great arm left at this point, but I think it's better than Happ's. That's the only reason I can think of, but I'd rather Happ start and they spot a point to PH Zobrist (not for Happ, but use Happ's spot to double switch into).

Happ RH vs Kershaw isn't a great matchup, but neither is Zobrist RH vs him.

As for Rizzo and Bryant, as long as they're not hitting, I don't care where they (don't) hit in the lineup. Like others have said, it sure feels like Schwarber is having the best ABs, if not results.
   5. Bote Man Posted: October 19, 2017 at 03:35 PM (#5558225)
I simply can not wait to see what the VERY BEST of MLB presents for our enjoyment tonight. CAN'T WAIT!
   6. TomH Posted: October 19, 2017 at 03:57 PM (#5558257)
Question from a guy who has only listened to about 20% of the series on radio, and seen next-day highlights:
First, stat table, NYY pitching, 2017
---------------- BB/9. KO/9 opp SLG ERA
Regular season .. 3.1 – 9.7 --- .382 -- 3.72
Post season----… 3.4 – 9.8 --- .272 --- 2.45
The Yankees pitching has been GREAT since Oct 3rd. My question for those who have seen more than me is, out of 100%, how much is pitchers creating poor contact, and how much is luck I batted balls? Because the narrative is OHNYGOSHYANKEEARMSAWESOME.
   7. Sunday silence Posted: October 19, 2017 at 04:09 PM (#5558273)
HR watch: LCS totals

19 HRs 27 RBI 47.3% of total runs.
   8. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 19, 2017 at 04:19 PM (#5558282)
Well, nobody is a particularly good matchup against Kershaw -- but put Happ in CF and move ALmora to RF if you like. I don't think that makes sense, of course - Almora is a better defender so if he is starting (and he should, given the homer in game 1) - he plays CF.

The best case to be made for Zobrist over Happ is really just veteran-ness and past playoff goodness. I think that's reasonable.... I'd still go the other way, but OK - it's reasonable.

BTW...

It occurred to me this morning that the Cubs are missing Zonk... hence, Zonk is back and he's brought his ginger shears.

No champagne in our house, #######.

We'll deal with Saturday when we get there.
   9. Howie Menckel Posted: October 19, 2017 at 04:25 PM (#5558291)
I'll answer 6 in an AL thread
   10. Satan Says Posted: October 19, 2017 at 04:25 PM (#5558292)
Let's go Cubbies! Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap!

Don't fear the reaper.
   11. Bote Man Posted: October 19, 2017 at 04:35 PM (#5558305)
Because the narrative is OHMYGOSHYANKEEARMSAWESOME.

Yankees commentators gonna commentate. No stopping the drooling.

My big gripe with this post-season has been the sheer ineptitude of supposedly Major League hitters who have proven themselves over 162 games as legitimately good hitters. I've seen these "good hitters" stare in frozen disbelief at meatballs right down the heart of the zone, then hack wildly at pitches that never once promised to touch the outside edge of the zone.

Was it the 5 day layoff for those who didn't play in the 1-game playoff?

Is it post-season jitters with the additional attention focused on them?

Is it the natural cycle of peaks and valleys that happened to hit so many players simultaneously in the post-season?

Whatever the cause, I am singularly unimpressed. Couple this loss of ability to play at this level with some outrageously poor umpiring decisions and I fail to understand what's appealing about all this?
   12. Howie Menckel Posted: October 19, 2017 at 07:11 PM (#5558399)
I mentioned before that I think we're at a pivot where pitchers have figured out that they can't get away with throwing too many strikes, while the hitters are bloodthirsty for home runs.

in this era of advanced video, it's amazing to me that the players can't get a short sequence of one swung-at ball in the dirt after another. best editing would show the ABs where a walk was guaranteed unless the batter swung at bad pitches. get a couple of guys on, still show some discipline, then be aggressive when the pitcher is forced to throw strikes.

it has been weird, but I have found the postseason appealing anyway.

the umpires blunders are bizarre, for sure.
   13. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 19, 2017 at 07:55 PM (#5558417)
My big gripe with this post-season has been the sheer ineptitude of supposedly Major League hitters who have proven themselves over 162 games as legitimately good hitters. I've seen these "good hitters" stare in frozen disbelief at meatballs right down the heart of the zone, then hack wildly at pitches that never once promised to touch the outside edge of the zone.


Joey Votto scoffs at your disbelief and longs to be traded to a perennial playoff contender....
   14. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:08 PM (#5558420)
Aight, Cubs chatterers....

We good? We loose? We got the magic back? Ready to banish Kershaw back to the realm of can't pitch in the postseason? Board the miracle train? Make the ginger yeti cry?

Let's do it to it!
   15. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:10 PM (#5558422)
Anyone rooting for anyone other than the Dodgers this year is a moral cretin.*


*Calm down, this is a joke.
   16. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:12 PM (#5558425)
We good? We loose? We got the magic back? Ready to banish Kershaw back to the realm of can't pitch in the postseason? Board the miracle train? Make the ginger yeti cry?


Yes! No. Yes! Yes!!! Yes!!! Eh, don't care, but sure!
   17. K-BAR, J-BAR (trhn) Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:13 PM (#5558426)
Ugh.. 9 pitch leadoff walk. What do you think? Wade Davis time?
   18. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:13 PM (#5558427)
Remember how that works, Cubs hitters?
   19. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:13 PM (#5558428)
Lackey is warming...
   20. K-BAR, J-BAR (trhn) Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:16 PM (#5558430)
Quintana is on pace to throw an infinite number of pitches this inning alone.

EDIT: Now on pace for a mere 45 this inning.
   21. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:16 PM (#5558431)
Woo-hoo!

Go back to the remote mountain woods, ginger yeti!
   22. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:17 PM (#5558433)
Is Cody Bellinger the son? Or Clay? I can never remember.
   23. Walt Davis Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:18 PM (#5558435)
2 batters, 15 pitches ... here we go again
   24. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:19 PM (#5558436)
Was Clay a switch-hitter?

For some reason, I always think that Cody is a switch-hitter....
   25. Walt Davis Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:20 PM (#5558438)
bad decision on the throw home
   26. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:20 PM (#5558439)
####

Never mind.

I'm putting the eeyore mask back on.

It was fun being optimistic for 10 minutes though.
   27. K-BAR, J-BAR (trhn) Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:21 PM (#5558440)
bad decision on the throw home


it was close enough that i'm not sure you could know it wasn't gonna work in real time.
   28. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:22 PM (#5558442)
They might have had a shot at him if it's Heyward out there (not that I wanted him out there).
   29. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:23 PM (#5558443)
lethargic crowd at wrigley
   30. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:25 PM (#5558445)
If Almora can work the count and foul off about 100 pitches then I think the Cubs have a shot.
   31. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:26 PM (#5558446)
That inning felt like it took forever.
   32. Walt Davis Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:27 PM (#5558447)
it was close enough that i'm not sure you could know it wasn't gonna work in real time.

I "knew" it wasn't gonna work in real time. Even a perfect throw won't get him and you can't let the guy get to 3rd. (Agree that Heyward probably makes a stronger throw to begin with ... and gets to the ball more quickly ... but we don't have designated fielders yet dammit).
   33. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:27 PM (#5558448)
Was Clay a switch-hitter?


I thought I remembered him as a LOOGY, but it turns out that's not right.

Bellinger the Elder batted and threw right-handed.
   34. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:28 PM (#5558450)
Wide zone today?
   35. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:28 PM (#5558451)
While I'm willing to entertain the notion of Schwarber hitting Kershaw, it's kind of a fantastic notion, isn't it?
   36. K-BAR, J-BAR (trhn) Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:28 PM (#5558452)
Remember last year in the World Series? When the Cubs were down three games to one? And they went down 1-0 in the second inning of game 5? That turned out okay.
   37. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:28 PM (#5558453)
Unfortunately, Kershaw looks like he's dealing....
   38. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:29 PM (#5558454)
I am not into this at all.
   39. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:30 PM (#5558455)
Great ####### at bat.
   40. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:30 PM (#5558456)
It was said in Gonfalon, but Schwarbs has been putting up good PAs. The payoffs haven't been there yet - one HR excepted - but he'd have been in my lineup regardless.

   41. Walt Davis Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:31 PM (#5558457)
There's our walk for the game. :-)
   42. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:31 PM (#5558458)
Good at bat by Schwarbs.
   43. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:32 PM (#5558459)
I don't remember Bryant ever looking lost like this for this long.
   44. K-BAR, J-BAR (trhn) Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:34 PM (#5558462)
Man, this is going to be a long game.
   45. Walt Davis Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:35 PM (#5558463)
Technically not a shift at that point -- at least it looked like Culbertson was left of 2B at the start.
   46. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:36 PM (#5558464)
Dammit Bryzzo.

This vexes me. I am terribly vexed.
   47. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:36 PM (#5558466)
Something about that inning gave me some confidence we can get a couple off Kershaw tonight, so we just really need Q to hold down the fort.
   48. Walt Davis Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:37 PM (#5558467)
I agree that Schwarber has been putting up some of our best PAs (not sure how many I'd classify as "good" in the absolute sense). But he has struggled against LHP for his career and Zobrist has this season ... while Happ (so far) has hit LHP just fine. Joe's moves could pay off of course (and that was a good PA by Schwarber) but his avoidance of Happ especially against LHP continues to confuse.
   49. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:37 PM (#5558468)
####

####

####

   50. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:37 PM (#5558469)
Admittedly it's pretty sad when the wildly optimistic forecast is "maybe we can get a couple runs tonight" but here we are.

EDIT: ####
   51. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:38 PM (#5558470)
I'd almost rather see LaStella playing third.

Not that it matters.
   52. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:38 PM (#5558472)
Why can't the juiced ball help the Cubs like this?
   53. K-BAR, J-BAR (trhn) Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:39 PM (#5558474)
Everything according to plan... the Dodgers needed to score two for the Cubs to win 3-2.
   54. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:42 PM (#5558475)
#### sportsmanship.

The way I figure it, there are about three Dodgers who would benefit from a good, strategically placed HBP.

This won't necessarily help with the offensive problems, but 1)it will feel at least momentarily good, and 2)perhaps we can get some retaliatory baserunners, and 3)per 2), it might also create a situation where Heyward at the plate wouldn't elicit groans.
   55. Walt Davis Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:43 PM (#5558477)
At least it was only a few pitches that inning. If the Dodgers want to switch to 2017 postseason Cubs hack ball against Quintana, I'm willing to take my chances.
   56. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:45 PM (#5558480)
Nifty play.
   57. K-BAR, J-BAR (trhn) Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:45 PM (#5558481)
Dodgers are good at baseball.
   58. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:45 PM (#5558483)
The Dodgers playing flawless - and at times, great - defense is something that the Cubs do not need.
   59. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:46 PM (#5558484)
It feels late already.
   60. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:47 PM (#5558485)
The best I can muster is that - aside from Byzzo - the Cubs do not look especially overmatched.

Some good PAs, some well struck balls. Nothing to show for it, but this isn't Stasburgian "we're screwed" stuff.
   61. Walt Davis Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:48 PM (#5558487)
foul tip! foul tip! :-)
   62. Meatwad in mourning Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:49 PM (#5558489)
It would be nice if the cubs would go ahead and score about 10 runs next inning.
   63. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:50 PM (#5558490)
Agreed, zonk. I also strongly believe the non-jansen part of the pen is due to be roughed up.
   64. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:51 PM (#5558492)
Some good PAs, some well struck balls. Nothing to show for it, but this isn't Stasburgian "we're screwed" stuff.


Yeah, that was my thought, too. But my confidence level is very low right now that we can hold the Dodgers at bay until we can scratch a couple across or get Kershaw to make that one big mistake with a couple runners on base.
   65. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:52 PM (#5558493)
I agree with Darling, Taylor swings way too hard all the time to not eventually get figured out.
   66. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:53 PM (#5558495)
You know what?

#### it. I want to unleash the PED Kraken on Taylor.

This guy never hits for power. Was a middling prospect. And suddenly, at 26, he's friggin babe ruth?

Stop the game and make this guy pee into a cup right now.
   67. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:55 PM (#5558497)
I hate Chris Taylor way more than Justin Turner, mostly because who the #### is this guy???
   68. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:56 PM (#5558498)
The ####### yeti.

I want him tested, too. Fortunately, the ####### amazon he wears on his face means a follicle laying about somewhere is easy to be had.
   69. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:56 PM (#5558499)
Starting to slip away.
   70. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:56 PM (#5558500)
Chris Taylor, postseason: 5 extra-base hits.
Kris Bryant and Anthony Rizzo, postseason: 4 extra-base hits.
   71. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:57 PM (#5558501)
Well, fellas... all in all not a bad season, and I'm glad we didn't get swept.
   72. Walt Davis Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:57 PM (#5558502)
oh oh
   73. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:57 PM (#5558503)
Just don't let Puig get the knockout blow
   74. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:58 PM (#5558504)
I mentioned before that I think we're at a pivot where pitchers have figured out that they can't get away with throwing too many strikes, while the hitters are bloodthirsty for home runs.

Is that really new? Decades ago, IIRC, Jim Palmer was saying "pitchers get batters out with strikes that look like balls, and balls that look like strikes".
   75. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:59 PM (#5558506)
This isn't bad pitching, this is the dodgers knowing what's coming. It's great hitting.

I don't like this pull one bit.
   76. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 08:59 PM (#5558507)
Is that really new? Decades ago, IIRC, Jim Palmer was saying "pitchers get batters out with strikes that look like balls, and balls that look like strikes".


It's not new but there's an ebb and flow throughout baseball history where it becomes more and less true, maybe?
   77. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:01 PM (#5558508)
Problem is, who do you bring in to get a ground ball?
   78. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:01 PM (#5558509)
I don't like this pull one bit.


We're ###### either way, but me either. This does not feel like a good spot to bring in a rusty Rondon. At all. Really ####### stupid, actually.
   79. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:02 PM (#5558510)
This isn't bad pitching, this is the dodgers knowing what's coming. It's great hitting.

Well, it's not exactly GOOD pitching...
   80. Meatwad in mourning Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:02 PM (#5558511)
This come back is going to be epic.
   81. Sunday silence Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:03 PM (#5558512)
Quintana: "What were you waiting for?"
   82. Man o' Schwar Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:03 PM (#5558513)
Oh, well that's probably the end of this one.
   83. Lassus Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:04 PM (#5558514)
Holy crap, I forgot I was in the central time zone.

Before you guys all commit suicide, seeing as how EVERYONE FAILED to give me anywhere entertaining to go today (I happened to drive by, by chance, the abandoned Dwight Correctional Center, where IL female death-row inmates were kept), I will ask again for something else:

I have a 2 PM flight tomorrow out of O'Hare, I'd like to get a really good foodie brunch/lunch and go to a used record store prior. Any suggestions for the former, and for the latter, is it Reckless, Dusty Groove, or Laurie's?
   84. Man o' Schwar Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:04 PM (#5558515)
The Cubs will need to score more runs in this whole game than they've scored in the first 4 games of the series combined.

That's not a good sign.
   85. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:04 PM (#5558516)
Good night.

They're all juicing man. Unreal.
   86. Lassus Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:04 PM (#5558517)
Hmmm...... maybe that was my fault, with the suicide comment.
   87. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:04 PM (#5558518)
Wow.
   88. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:05 PM (#5558519)
I was glad at the time to get past the Nats, but honestly -- if we're going to go down with a little "we're not totally crap" non-sweep, I'd have rather just had the Nats advance.

I'm at the point where I do secretly just wish Dusty would get a ring. Werth is the benevolent yeti to Turner's evil yeti. Trea is just good, not Taylor molest puppies for satan and you can become good good.

So #### it. I want to exercise my option to rewind time, blow the NLDS, and root for the Nats.

I hate the ####### Dodgers. I hate Ten Dogs. I hate Nazi Pedophile Garvey. I hate all of them. Fail. Die. Suffer. #### You.
   89. Satan Says Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:05 PM (#5558520)
The Cubs were a feelgood story in 2016, congrats and all.

Time to resurrect Catherine 'O'Leary and her infamous cow.

Evidently in the person of Kike Hernandez.
   90. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:06 PM (#5558521)
#### you Joe. #### you Hector.
   91. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:06 PM (#5558522)
Wrigley is on ice.
   92. Satan Says Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:07 PM (#5558523)
Cbris Taylor and Enrique Hernandez. Way better than anybody playing for the Cubs this series.
   93. Lassus Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:07 PM (#5558524)
I'm not pleased that this offensive outburst has affected my brunch plans.
   94. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:08 PM (#5558526)
Rondon might get non-tendered, right? He's gonna get a decent arb award you'd think.
   95. K-BAR, J-BAR (trhn) Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:08 PM (#5558527)
It'll taste all the sweeter when the Cubs hit two grand slams in the same inning off Kershaw.
   96. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:08 PM (#5558528)
At least Ian Happ will get into the game before the 8th inning... it will be to pitch 6 mop-up innings, but PT is PT.
   97. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:09 PM (#5558529)
At least this won't be heartbreaking. Just embarrassing.
   98. Lassus Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:09 PM (#5558530)
Listen, it's early. Score 8 runs. Stranger things, as they say.

I mean, OK, the Mets couldn't do it in 2007 when Glavine ###### us, but maybe you guys can.
   99. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:09 PM (#5558531)
So 3 straight years the nl pennant is won in Wrigley?
   100. Man o' Schwar Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:10 PM (#5558532)
It'll taste all the sweeter when the Cubs hit two grand slams in the same inning off Kershaw.

Which Cub? Let's tie that Fernando Tatis record.
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