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NLCS Game 5 OMNICHATTER, for October 19, 2017

Dodgers lead the Cubs, 3-1.

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   201. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:17 PM (#5558638)
I think Langston was better than people are giving him credit for here. His record is only okay because he pitched for some terrible Mariners teams and pretty bad Angels ones, but he put up 50+ WAR, led the league in K's three times, and would have been a plausible choice for the CYA three times.


Fair enough. A 10+ WAR plus an obvious peak advantage certainly is worth more than my own personal "big moment postseason bump".
   202. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:19 PM (#5558639)
So Ron Gardenhire to manage the Tigers, eh?


What? Why? Okay, I guess.
   203. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:19 PM (#5558640)
The WS starts Tuesday, so Kershaw gets four days rest if the Dodgers miraculously fend off the Cubs and win. He can go 100.
   204. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:20 PM (#5558642)
I realize this whole "prove you're the biggest fan" thing is just a marketing technique, but I will never understand why it works on anybody.
   205. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:21 PM (#5558643)
Gardenhire was a very successful manager, but he also is long in the tooth. Seems like the type of guy you'd hire if you were a team on the verge of a contention window, not a team that seems to be starting over.
   206. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:22 PM (#5558644)
Only drama left is who gets named LCS MVP. Turner, I have to assume.
   207. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:23 PM (#5558645)
No, the MVP is Kike, for saving you from Curtis Granderson.
   208. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:23 PM (#5558646)

Since the game is not worth talking about...

Well, Brown should almost certainly be in the HoF and Reuschel would have one of the bigger plaque displays in the HoVG. Langston is a good equivalent, though IMO Lackey gets a big postseason bump that gets him into the upper wing (I don't care what the turds he's now does to his overall postseason stats, or really what his overall postseason numbers are ... if you win G7 of the World Series as a rookie, you get a big postseason boost in my PHoVG).


Yes, that's a nice line on his resume. Problem is, there are many pitchers in this hypothetical Hall who have equally impressive lines to go with better careers. Guys like Orel Hersheiser, Luis Tiante, David Cone, Andy Pettitte, Bret Saberhagen, Mark Buehrle, Jerry Koosman, David Wells, Johan Santana, Roy Oswalt, Babe Adams, Jimmy Key, Mickey Lolich, Dwight Gooden, Ron Guidry. And those are just the guys with 10 or more WAR more than Lackey. Buckey Walters has only 9 more, but he's got an MVP and ton of black ink.
   209. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:24 PM (#5558647)
The WS starts Tuesday, so Kershaw gets four days rest if the Dodgers miraculously fend off the Cubs and win. He can go 100.

It's supposed to be 101° Tuesday in LA.
   210. Fat Al Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:24 PM (#5558648)
Apologies in advance, but this is both compelling and horrifying:

Justin Turner GIF
   211. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:24 PM (#5558649)
Only drama left is who gets named LCS MVP. Turner, I have to assume.


Yeah, I guess the walkoff in G2 gives him a boost, but that stupid ####### never-known-before-unlikely-to-be-notable-again Chris Taylor seems to have a pretty good argument, too.
   212. Fat Al Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:24 PM (#5558650)
Apologies in advance, but this is both compelling and horrifying:

Justin Turner GIF
   213. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:25 PM (#5558651)
Members would include Gooden, Valenzuela and Fidrych.


Vida Blue.
   214. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:26 PM (#5558652)
The ump is trolling me now with that ball call.

Hahahahah
   215. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:28 PM (#5558654)
In fact it would be the Vida Blue wing.
   216. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:28 PM (#5558655)
Gardenhire was a very successful manager, but he also is long in the tooth.


Probably not his fault, but he seems to have passed his sell-by date in his last few years in Minnesota.
   217. Brian C Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:28 PM (#5558656)
The ump is trolling me now with that ball call.

Hahahahah

You could practically see the ump's relief when he got the opportunity for a blatant make-up call on the very next pitch.
   218. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:31 PM (#5558657)
By no means do I blame the results of this series on it, but the umpiring in this series has been remarkably poor. It's like they're not even trying.
   219. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:33 PM (#5558658)
It's supposed to be 101° Tuesday in LA.

Not a thing I miss.
   220. Bote Man Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:36 PM (#5558659)
It's like they're not even trying.

Why bother trying when you have replay review to save your ass?
   221. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:41 PM (#5558660)
I'm trying to figure out how petty and bitter I am. Enough to pull for the Yankees over the dodgers? I like Kershaw, have no problems with seager or bellinger, enjoy Puig especially when everyone hates him, but the rest of them can get bent. Ok, I like Jansen too, he's like a fat Mariano Rivera.

Go Astros.

I hope Turner's beard catches on fire but no one believes him cause it looks exactly the same.
   222. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:44 PM (#5558661)
I am probably rooting for the Dodgers no matter what. I would like to see CW happy though. I won't know until the games start -- I''ll just start rooting of the team my gut tells me to root for. It won't be the Yankees, I can tell you that.

(I rooted for the Yankees in 1977-78)
   223. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:46 PM (#5558662)
I still like Starlin, so that might be enough for me. Had to suck for him to see the Cubs win last year.
   224. Greg Pope Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:48 PM (#5558663)
I am probably rooting for the Dodgers no matter what. I would like to see CW happy though. I won't know until the games start -- I''ll just start rooting of the team my gut tells me to root for. It won't be the Yankees, I can tell you that.

I know baseball chick has been around sporadically but has she reignited her Astros fandom?
   225. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:52 PM (#5558665)
I think she's stuck to her guns, Greg.
   226. Lassus Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:52 PM (#5558666)
Listen, 4 or 5 runs here, and it's a game.
   227. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:53 PM (#5558667)
I'm a Michigan guy, so I wouldn't mind seeing Verlander finally get a ring. It's been cool to see him return to 2012 form over the last two months.
   228. Brian C Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:56 PM (#5558668)
I'll root against the Yankees, but I doubt I'll affirmatively root for anyone. When my team goes late in the playoffs, I tend to kinda check out if they lose. All my rooting interest has been exhausted by that point - I have no more to give.

So I'll check scores on nights when there are games and I'll probably watch the last few innings of the World Series clincher, but that'll be about it for me in the extremely likely event that Cubs go out tonight.
   229. Lassus Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:56 PM (#5558669)
Tsk. Oh well.

It will have to be 9 in the 9th, I guess.
   230. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:58 PM (#5558670)
Go Astros.


Ain't that a kick in the balls?

I still haven't entirely let go of the old pre-league switch rivalry... to say nothing of grudgingly being forced to root for them against the Sox back when and getting just more disappointment.

But, sigh, that's the best I got... push comes to shove, and I guess that's where we're at, I suppose I'll be least displeased about the Yankees. I've never liked the Dodgers. The Yankees are an omnipresent and insidious disease, but at least they've been in remission for a while. I know the Dodgers have been for longer than that, but I'm an NL guy.

Ultimately, I guess my dad - a Yankees fan - was thrilled for me last year and rooted for the Cubs so I suppose I'll return the favor.

It feels wrong and dirty.... and maybe the Astros won't complete the choke, but if that's what we're left with, I guess that's where I'll land.
   231. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:02 PM (#5558671)
Yes, that's a nice line on his resume. Problem is, there are many pitchers in this hypothetical Hall who have equally impressive lines to go with better careers. Guys like Orel Hersheiser, Luis Tiante, David Cone, Anidy Pettitte, Bret Saberhagen, Mark Buehrle, Jerry Koosman, David Wells, Johan Santana, Roy Oswalt, Babe Adams, Jimmy Key, Mickey Lolich, Dwight Gooden, Ron Guidry. And those are just the guys with 10 or more WAR more than Lackey. Buckey Walters has only 9 more, but he's got an MVP and ton of black ink.


Yeah, ALL of those pitchers are way better than Lackey. He's certainly not an inner circle HoVG pitcher like I claimed.

Having said that a lot of those guys are HoMers, and I think I'm thinking more "deserves to be" than "actually is inducted".

I also don't agree that all of those guys have "equally impressive postseason lines", though, at least under the criteria of my PHof/HoVG etc.(Hersheiser, Lolich, for sure)

My PHOF would combine career/peak (with a strong peak bias) AND ALSO a huge CWPA (championship probability added) boost. To wit:

Bobby Thomson: obvious HOFer
David Freese: get ten years under your belt with a nice positive WAR, and you are almost there, and poof! instant HoF induction
Tony Womack: You sucked. But you did that thing and therefore you are borderline HoF
Hal Smith: (See Womack)
Frank Cabrera: Sorry, bro. Just couldn't hang around long enough, first ballot HoVG inductee, though
   232. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:03 PM (#5558673)
Have yourself a night, Kiké!
   233. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:03 PM (#5558674)
Sigh
   234. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:04 PM (#5558675)
Nice, a 3 homer night.

They sure didn't seem to miss Seager too much...
   235. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:05 PM (#5558676)
Montgomery is toasty.
   236. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:05 PM (#5558677)
I'll say it: this Cubs team has little business being in the NLCS the way they've played, much less the WS.
   237. Brian C Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:07 PM (#5558678)
I know the offense has been awful but geez this bullpen. Makes me long for the days of Felix Heredia and Matt Karchner.
   238. Weeks T. Olive Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:09 PM (#5558680)
I have to root for the Yankees now - I want Starlin to get his ring.
   239. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:10 PM (#5558682)
Man, you'd think the Dodgers would just want to get this over with and pop champagne.
   240. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:11 PM (#5558683)
I'm annoyed that the dodgers got all the same Cubs press as last year, but by the end probably weren't as good, but then coasted through the playoffs way easier than the Cubs did.

This is dumb, I know.
   241. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:11 PM (#5558684)
I also don't agree that all of those guys have "equally impressive postseason lines", though, at least under the criteria of my PHof/HoVG etc.(Hersheiser, Lolich, for sure)


Well, I wasn't restricting bonus points to just post season, though you could add Babe Adams to that list (3-0, and won game 7 as a rookie), and Pettitte for sheer body of work. Cone, Wells, and Buehrle have perfect games. Gooden and Guidry had trancendant seasons. Santana 2 CYA and a ton of black ink. Koosman won 2 games including the clincher in 1969 as a second year player.
   242. K-BAR, J-BAR (trhn) Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:13 PM (#5558685)
Cubs went 4-6 over a pretty tough ten game stretch.
   243. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:13 PM (#5558686)
Jansen? Can someone please explain?
   244. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:13 PM (#5558688)
I'm annoyed that the dodgers got all the same Cubs press as last year


This is not even close to true. Pre-monkey off our back, the Cubs got all the press when they even sniffed a WS chance.
   245. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:14 PM (#5558689)
Jansen? Can someone please explain?
Roberts ain't ####### around.
   246. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:14 PM (#5558690)
I think Roberts has done some iffy things this series but no matter what it's worked. Luck or prep, I dunno.
   247. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:14 PM (#5558691)
Jansen? Can someone please explain?


Roberts is an idiot. Go Yankees.
   248. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:14 PM (#5558692)
Jansen? Can someone please explain

4 days off coming up, and they have a plane to catch.
   249. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:14 PM (#5558693)
I think the Dodgers were great, then for four weeks inexplicably terrible, way more terrible than the Cubs were the two weeks before the ASB in 2016, and then picked up right where they left off.

This is the best Dodgers team I have ever seen.
   250. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:14 PM (#5558694)
with a 10 run lead, a HS pitcher could probably get 3 outs before giving up 10 runs...
   251. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:14 PM (#5558695)
It's kind of crazy that the Cubs are gonna go through a five game series only scoring via the homer.

   252. Lassus Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:15 PM (#5558696)
OK, those Puig high-five reaction clips were awesome.
   253. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:15 PM (#5558697)
Jansen? Can someone please explain?


he should be on the mound when they clinch.
   254. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:15 PM (#5558698)
doesn't matter, looks like Jansen is throwing less then 10 pitches anyway
   255. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:16 PM (#5558699)
I'm guessing Jansen would like to be on the mound when the Dodgers clinch their first pennant in 29 years.
   256. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:16 PM (#5558700)
244- I mean regular season press you know this sort of stuff. Like last year didn't happen. Not talking playoffs.

I said it was dumb.
   257. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:17 PM (#5558701)
Congrats to the Dodgers. They definitely were the better team.
   258. Lassus Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:17 PM (#5558702)
I can't imagine how anyone not otherwise invested could root for the Yankees over the Dodgers.
   259. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:17 PM (#5558704)
and that's that. Agree with 249. The losing streak was just odd. This team is the Dodgers of the possible 115 win team earlier in the season. They are back to what they were.
   260. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:18 PM (#5558705)
I can't imagine how anyone not otherwise invested could root for the Yankees over the Dodgers.


You'd be amazed at how petty I can be.
   261. K-BAR, J-BAR (trhn) Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:18 PM (#5558706)
257 Agreed. Now that the cubs are out of it, I wouldn’t be upset if rich hill got a ring.
   262. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:18 PM (#5558707)
#Cubs
NLDS Game 5: 9 runs (none via HR)
NLCS (Series): 8 runs (all via HR)


Nothing makes sense
   263. crict Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:20 PM (#5558708)
Those are some ugly caps.
   264. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:20 PM (#5558709)
Honestly, though, I wouldn't mind Castro getting a ring. Big picture, he was kind of a disappointment for the Cubs, but he was one of the few interesting pieces on the big league team during some very lean years.
   265. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:21 PM (#5558710)
I can't imagine how anyone not otherwise invested could root for the Yankees over the Dodgers.


I'll be cheering for a close, tight series, one that gets down to the wire and sees a player inducted into my PHoF (see above). I like baseball and I want to see memories made.
   266. K-BAR, J-BAR (trhn) Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:22 PM (#5558712)
262. Baseball is weird. Especially now that light hitting former part time players and B or B- prospects are suddenly hitting 25-30 HRs.
   267. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:22 PM (#5558713)
And I hope that player is Starlin Castro.
   268. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:23 PM (#5558714)
262. Baseball is weird. Especially now that light hitting former part time players and B or B- prospects are suddenly hitting 25-30 HRs.

And a certain unnamed mvp has the bat speed of a 60 year old.
   269. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:29 PM (#5558716)
And a certain unnamed mvp has the bat speed of a 60 year old.

Willie McGee?
   270. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:36 PM (#5558718)
Co-LCS MVPs!
   271. Voodoo Posted: October 19, 2017 at 11:36 PM (#5558719)
i dunno about co-mvps as a concept, but it seems just
   272. Tin Angel Posted: October 20, 2017 at 12:15 AM (#5558727)
Can someone ban #210 please?
   273. Meatwad in mourning Posted: October 20, 2017 at 12:59 AM (#5558741)
What a #### way to go out.
   274. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 20, 2017 at 08:26 AM (#5558774)
That's okay, the Cubs will rise again in 2124!
   275. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 20, 2017 at 09:10 AM (#5558799)
Jansen? Can someone please explain?

The Dodgers have 4 days off before the World Series. They'll have played 8 games in 22 days at that point.

Their biggest problem at this point may be getting rusty from inactivity.
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