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Thank you for reminding me why I'm rooting against the Cardinals.
Selig does not make a purist (like me) happy, but it's foolish to think he's done a bad overall job. I don't like him, I don't like the new look MLB (playoffs, wild cards, interleague, etc.) but the game is fluorishing and, as I always say, find me 18 people and I'll gladly watch them play a baseball game.
Russ, I also agree, particularly from the POV of labor relations. Baseball has the strongest union and the best working conditions of any major sport, and since 1995 Bud et al. have been smart enough to realize that such strength is compatible with a very good "product." I think the NFL offers a great product too, but bunyon points to a flaw that is becoming more and more egregious, the debilitation of players. Huge numbers of NFL players get mangled and discarded, or pay a price down the line. It's hard not to let that loom over any given Sunday, but the Sundays are still marvelous entertainment.
Last year had 38 games, so all this year can do is tie. Not that that's really a criticism.
Folks are nagging on the Yankee/Tigers series as the short-series fly in the overall playoff enjoyment ointment. No way. Quality of Yankee schadenfreude far exceeds quantity of game enjoyment. Every time.
Plus Game 1 of that series was awesome.
I was watching the Giants-Redskins football game yesterday when DeAngelo Hall committed an obvious late hit on the Giants' RB. The RB had fallen/dove head first into the ground after he got through the line and was down on the ground when DeAngelo dove at him. DeAngelo hit the down RB in the head with his shoulders, helmet, and back and he was fortunate enough that he didn't seriously injury the RB. It drew a penalty but you barely heard a word out of Troy Aikman or the other announcer nor did it seem like the players really reacted to it.
This is the culture that needs to change in the NFL. It's a league that prides itself in hurting their fellow players and everyone seems to be fine with that. As long as that continues the NFL will get more and more dangerous. On the flipside you have MLB where between the players and umpires/league the play has gotten less and less physical. Takeout slides and beanballs are rarer and rarer in baseball.
Baseball, basketball and soccer, in my opinion, have just enough violence to sort of scratch that itch, without it being the focus of the sport. You can well imagine any of those sports with greatly reduce levels of physical contact and still have something enjoyable* to watch.
* Perhaps more enjoyable. YMMV.
People point to the downtime in baseball games, but my goodness, it seems like every third play in the NFL is under further review.
If a guy worth $50million tears an elbow tendon, I'm not going to weep (unless he's my guy). But if a whole bunch of guys retire unable to walk normally and die with dementia at 53, that should concern us.
It's a different kind of injury though. MLB has tweaks and pulls while the NFL has brain damage and much much worse permanent damage to joints and such.
Last weather report I had was they expect the storm to blow over by 5, so I expect at least a delayed game.
Baseball > Debates. Trust me, the debate will be on plenty of other channels.
Conradian Play []
Web Gem []
It rains. [ ] (Rain delay [])
Stolen Base []
Caught Stealing [ ]
1-2-3-4-5-6 [ ]
Deja, Deja, Deja Vu [X]
Pitcher gets a hit [ ] (Pitcher gets an RBI [ ])
Strikeout of side [ ] (a 1-2-3 inning strikeout of side [])
Play at the plate [ ]
Replay review [ ]
Baserunning blunder [ ]
Blown call [ ] (Blown call costs game [ ])
THIS TRAIN! [X]
2+ pitching changes in single half-inning [ ]
Dramatic late-inning homer [ ]
Idiot runs on the field [ ]
Regular-season starter warms up in bullpen [ ] (Playoff starter warms-up in the bullpen [])
Game goes into extras [ ]
Shapeshifting strikezone [ ]
Inning-Ending DP [ ]
NON-PITCHER Bunt [ ]
Bases loaded, nobody scores in the inning [ ]
Balk [ ]
Buster Posey does something awesome [ ]
WILD BRIAN WILSON APPEARS [ ]
Pujols mentioned [ ]
Stan Musial mentioned [ ]
"X outs" away [ ]
Carlos Beltran is a October Hero [ ]
Carlos Beltran's backup is an October hero [ ]
Carlos Beltran's worst October moment came in a Game 7 of the NLCS [ ]
FREESE! [ ]
Cardinals second only to Yankees in WS titles [ ]]
McCarver's singing career [ ]
Matt Holliday enters the game somehow [ ]
NFL reference (other than NFL on Fox promotion) []
Pence's big speeches [ ]
2006 WS flashback [ ]
Game 6 2011 flashback [ ]
Deja, Deja, Deja Vu [X]
Pablo Sandoval referred to as "Panda" [ ]
FOX gets photobombed [ ]
Mention or reference to Jack Buck [ ]
McCarver was on the Cardinals [ ]
Willie Mays mentioned [ ]
1968 WS mentioned [ ]
Mention that the Giants and Tigers have never met in the World Series [ ]
McCarver mentions words he doesn't like []
Ken Rosenthal's bow-tie charity mentioned [ ]
HR ball goes into McCovey Cove [ ]
Barry Bonds mentioned by name [ ]
Reference to the debate [ ]
Tony Bennett shows up or is referenced [ ]
Deja, Deja, Deja Vu [X]
Kozmania ensues [ ]
Matt Cain Perfect Game clip-show flashback [ ]
The Giants have never won a Best-Of-Seven Game 7 [ ]
1987 NLCS mentioned [ ]
Flashback to 2010 WS [ ]
Even the generic national TV listings indicate Fox is showing the game rather than the debate. I would be very surprised if Fox or local affiliates even had the option to preempt it for the debate. I think you are safe.
Forecast this morning was basically, who knows? The system is supposed to be kind of breaking up in the late afternoon/early evening, which means it could be showering, cloudy, or clear, and then the same all over again. In any case it will be windy and quite cool. Lousy baseball conditions, for sure.
Rain has stopped and it's getting lighter. One TV forecast is for weather to be dry at game time, with a possibility of showers "in the seventh inning" (in quotes, because of the unwise use of innings as a measure of time).
EDIT: And now the sun starts poking through out in the avenues, in and out of the clouds.
Seven games is seven games, but this has been as unexciting a seven game series as you can get so far. Hopefully tonight will give us a doozy.
Assuming you mean "this postseason," then damn straight. I like to think of it as, "He's due!"
He pitched around a lot of Giants he didn't want to go after, and the Giants let him get away with it by stranding them all. But he can't really expect to put on a couple of runners almost every inning and not think that sooner or later someone will drop in a hit or that he'll miss location and leave the ball over the plate.
And if you meant "this season," then damn you've got some really high expectations for Mr. Cain.
Absolutely right. The Giants went, like, 0-for-53 with runners in scoring position against Lohse. He can't count on that again (good lord let's hope not).
I don't think this will matter. I don't expect the Cardinals to get more than 5 hits tonight, all scattered singles with 2 outs.
Yes. See Chris Carpenter for more details.
Given that the World Series is scheduled to start on Wednesday, it's certain that Our Television Overlords have made that very clear.
Anyway, the weather will certainly be unpleasant, but it seems unlikely that it will be raining heavily for an extended period this evening.
From what I understand, if they WERE to for some reason have to delay the game, tomorrow would be a DAY game so as to avoid delaying the WS. Keeping in mind that a day game in SF could very well be a MORNING game depending on when it starts.
Well, there was the great Rays-Phillies fiasco....
Well, he didn't have 27 K's during his perfect game. He actually had to rely on his defense to help bail him out...
Pregame, so not exactly a play, but . . . Tarp. Vince Coleman.
Should be nice by the evening, but it was definitely unplayable this morning.
404 - Walrus Not Found
Here he is.
Answering my own question, yes, the Cardinals hold the record with 3 (and possibly 4 after tonight -- I'm already preparing to be incredibly bitter). In fact, no other franchise has done it more than once -- Senators, Braves, Orioles, Blue Jays, Angels, Cubs, Yankees, and Indians all tied with 1.
Haven't the Cardinals also played more game 7s than anybody else?
Will Clark mentioned
Lincecum trade rumors mentioned
Ozzie Smith NLCS homerun shown
"All the marbles"
Not only that, they have the best record of any team in game 7s.
Indeed this will be the Cardinals MLB leading 16th game 7. They are 11-4 in the previous 15.
The Yankees have played 13 game 7s.
Including Best of 5 LCS/LDS series, and the new Wild Card game (but not regular season tiebreakers), the Cardinals are 14-5 in decisive winner-take-all postseason games.
The Yankees do lead MLB having played 23 winner-take-all postseason games (excluding regular season tiebreakers).
The seventh game of the 1962 World Series (the only other Game 7 yet played in San Francisco) was delayed for several days by torrential rain. When the game was finally played, the weather was clear but the Candlestick Park outfield was a high-grass swamp. In the bottom of the ninth, the drive Willie Mays hit into the right field corner would almost certainly have skipped all the way to the fence on a normally-dry field, but the thick wet grass caused it to slow down enough for Roger Maris to cut if off (making a hell of a play, carefully keeping his feet on the slippery turf) and keep Matty Alou from scoring the tying run.
Dammit.
Possibly not. I actually figured that Matheny had played for the Cardinals more recently than 2004, but I forgot those last two years were in SF and his playing career ended after 2006.
Terrible weather for the 1925 WS, Game Seven:
"The umpires couldn't see it (the ball hit by Kiki Cuyler which drove in the tieing runs). It was too dark and foggy. It wasn't fair at all. It was foul by two feet. I know because the ball hit in the mud and stuck there." - Goose Goslin
Meanwhile, in SF, it's turned into a very pretty afternoon, with no ominous clouds on the western horizon visible from Fred's Tenderloin Aerie as of @ 2pm local time.
10-8-77, Game 4 at the Vet.Dodgers up 2-1 in a best of 5.....Tommy John vs. Steve Carlton. The evening after the disastrous (for the Phillies)game 3, where Luzinski botched a ball in LF in the bottom of the 9th.
In game 4, it started raining early in the game. The Dodgers took a 2-1 lead going into the 5th and scored 2 in the top of the 5th. Then it REALLY started raining. The NL President (Feeney?)was on site, and instructed the umps to play on. The last 4 innings were played in a driving rain storm. With no prospect for the rain stopping, the league wanted to avoid a rain shortened deciding game. No scoring in last four innings,with brutal conditions on the field and in the stands.
I was in the center field upper deck with my Dad (now departed). Even 35 years later, I'm sad and angry thinking about that miserable night.
May tonight be nothing like October 8,1977.
Some angry looking clouds building in the west right now. Still, it doesn't seem like there'll be an extended sort of storm. But I'm no weather person.
The first game of the 1982 NLCS was rained out in the fourth inning, with Niekro beating Andujar. The rainout an inning from being official (under the rules at the time) effectively doomed the Braves, who didn't have great starting pitching behind Niekro.
Also, the sixth game of the World Series that year had rain delays. Seemed like they took all night to complete what was a lopsided game.
CHECKLIST (taking suggestions):
Conradian Play []
Web Gem []
It rains. [ ] (Rain delay [])
Stolen Base []
Caught Stealing [ ]
1-2-3-4-5-6 [ ]
Deja, Deja, Deja Vu [X]
Pitcher gets a hit [ ] (Pitcher gets an RBI [ ])
Strikeout of side [ ] (a 1-2-3 inning strikeout of side [])
Play at the plate [ ]
Replay review [ ]
Baserunning blunder [ ]
Blown call [ ] (Blown call costs game [ ])
THIS TRAIN! [X]
2+ pitching changes in single half-inning [ ]
Dramatic late-inning homer [ ]
Idiot runs on the field [ ]
Regular-season starter warms up in bullpen [ ] (Playoff starter warms-up in the bullpen [])
Game goes into extras [ ]
Shapeshifting strikezone [ ]
Inning-Ending DP [ ]
NON-PITCHER Bunt [ ]
Bases loaded, nobody scores in the inning [ ]
Balk [ ]
Buster Posey does something awesome [ ]
WILD BRIAN WILSON APPEARS [ ]
Pujols mentioned [ ]
Stan Musial mentioned [ ]
"X outs" away [ ]
Carlos Beltran is a October Hero [ ]
Carlos Beltran's backup is an October hero [ ]
Carlos Beltran's worst October moment came in a Game 7 of the NLCS [ ]
FREESE! [ ]
Cardinals second only to Yankees in WS titles [ ]]
McCarver's singing career [ ]
Matt Holliday enters the game somehow [ ]
NFL reference (other than NFL on Fox promotion) []
Pence's big speeches [ ]
2006 WS flashback [ ]
Game 6 2011 flashback [ ]
Deja, Deja, Deja Vu [X]
Pablo Sandoval referred to as "Panda" [ ]
FOX gets photobombed [ ]
Mention or reference to Jack Buck [ ]
McCarver was on the Cardinals [ ]
Willie Mays mentioned [ ]
1968 WS mentioned [ ]
Mention that the Giants and Tigers have never met in the World Series [ ]
McCarver mentions words he doesn't like []
Ken Rosenthal's bow-tie charity mentioned [ ]
HR ball goes into McCovey Cove [ ]
Barry Bonds mentioned by name [ ]
Reference to the debate [ ]
Tony Bennett shows up or is referenced [ ]
Deja, Deja, Deja Vu [X]
Kozmania ensues [ ]
Matt Cain Perfect Game clip-show flashback [ ]
The Giants have never won a Best-Of-Seven Game 7 [ ]
1987 NLCS mentioned [ ]
Flashback to 2010 WS [ ]
Will Clark mentioned [ ]
Lincecum trade rumors mentioned [ ]
Ozzie Smith NLCS homerun shown [ ] (would almost certainly mean a Jack Buck reference)
"All the marbles" [ ]
AT&T gets so loud that somebody makes an ill-advised earthquake joke []
Game 7s called "the greatest events in sports" or something similar [ ]
If the Giants win, Buck, McCarver or somebody like that says "The Giants Win the Pennant" [ ]
If the Cardinals win, somebody says "St. Louis will defend it's title" or something similar [ ]
I wanna say 1971, but I'm not certain.
1976--Yankees/ Reds game 3 at YS. Temp went down to about 35, IIRC
[EDIT] but the sky is pretty bright. Add Rainbow to the checklist?
Just saw the radar on KTVU (local Fox affiliate) and it should blow over in about 15-20 minutes, if not less
I'd keep Belt at 1B, DH Posey and run the risk of losing the DH if Sanchez got hurt.
(Or deactivate MadBum, if he's the odd man out in the rotation, for a third catcher.)
Going to need Craig to Craig it up for a bingo tonight.
Go Giants!
I think the actress playing Kate is really good, but none of the other characters work.
She's the daughter of Don Johnson and Melanie Griffith and the granddaughter of Tippi Hedren.
/Wikipedia'd
I can quibble with the NFL. One of the following three will be in the Super Bowl this year. Colts, Patriots or Steelers.. If you have made that prediction at the beginning of the season for the last 11 years, you would have been right 10 times.
That does seem kind of stupid, considering there's a banged-up slumping guy in there instead...
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