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Monday, October 22, 2012

NLCS GAME 7 OMNICHATTER

In this corner, the defending champions of Major League Baseball, sending out Kyle Lohse… THE ST. LOUIS CARDINALS!
And in this corner, the National League West champions, sending out Matt “Perfect Game” Cain… THE SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS!

8 O’Clock. FOX. Game 7. Winner to the World Series, loser goes home.
Game 7.
Tell your friends.

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   1. Dan Evensen Posted: October 22, 2012 at 06:31 AM (#4278716)
I start work at 8:00 AM here in Shenyang, which is an exact 12 hour time difference from EST. I am seriously considering calling in sick tomorrow.
   2. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 22, 2012 at 06:39 AM (#4278717)
So every series has gone the distance except 1. Stupid Yankees.
   3. Russ Posted: October 22, 2012 at 07:40 AM (#4278722)
I know this is a biased place to look for confirmation, but it seems as if baseball is the sport that has its #### the most together of all the major sports. Every other major sport has either major controversy, parity problems or can't seem to go more than a few seasons without a crippling lockout. I hate to give credit to a weaselly owner like Selig, but I think it's very hard to justifiably complain about the state of baseball right now. They somehow survived the PED issues and now they are entering a new dawn of seemingly competitive baseball. Even crappy teams like the Pirates at least have had a few sustained glimmers of hope the last few years (unrealistic as it was).

   4. RollingWave Posted: October 22, 2012 at 07:45 AM (#4278725)
Kylse Lohse is Wintun (his tribal people) for "Jeff Suppan, 2006"


   5. dr. scott Posted: October 22, 2012 at 07:50 AM (#4278728)
It is currently raining in SF. Which sux, as I have to bike to the train in two hours. It's not supposed to start raining until December. Why else would I pay these rents?
   6. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 22, 2012 at 07:55 AM (#4278731)
here's to a good game
   7. Lassus Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:09 AM (#4278736)
Kylse Lohse is Wintun (his tribal people) for "Jeff Suppan, 2006"

Thank you for reminding me why I'm rooting against the Cardinals.
   8. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:26 AM (#4278742)
Discounting the Play-In games, the highest possible number of playoff games under the current alignment is 41 (20 LDS, 14 LCS, 7 WS). So far these playoffs are at 31 of 34, which is pretty good. 2003 was at 28 to this point, and ended up with 34. I believe that's the highest ever total for the current format, so it looks like we're guaranteed to have a new high. If the World Series goes 7, more than 92% of potential playoff games will have been played, which is pretty cool.
   9. bunyon Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:38 AM (#4278745)
@Russ: I think you're absolutely right, though it's hard to quibble much with the NFL. I think the biggest problem the NFL has is the long term one of concussions and debilitating health issues of retired players. But, I suspect that as long as the money keeps rolling in, that will be mostly ignored.

Selig does not make a purist (like me) happy, but it's foolish to think he's done a bad overall job. I don't like him, I don't like the new look MLB (playoffs, wild cards, interleague, etc.) but the game is fluorishing and, as I always say, find me 18 people and I'll gladly watch them play a baseball game.
   10. BDC Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:50 AM (#4278749)
Jeez, when was it I was remarking that Chris Carpenter was unbeatable in the playoffs? Though I have no great love lost for either of the NL teams, it's hard not to love a single game for the pennant.

Russ, I also agree, particularly from the POV of labor relations. Baseball has the strongest union and the best working conditions of any major sport, and since 1995 Bud et al. have been smart enough to realize that such strength is compatible with a very good "product." I think the NFL offers a great product too, but bunyon points to a flaw that is becoming more and more egregious, the debilitation of players. Huge numbers of NFL players get mangled and discarded, or pay a price down the line. It's hard not to let that loom over any given Sunday, but the Sundays are still marvelous entertainment.
   11. frannyzoo Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:58 AM (#4278756)
Folks are nagging on the Yankee/Tigers series as the short-series fly in the overall playoff enjoyment ointment. No way. Quality of Yankee schadenfreude far exceeds quantity of game enjoyment. Every time.
   12. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 22, 2012 at 09:08 AM (#4278762)
2003 was at 28 to this point, and ended up with 34. I believe that's the highest ever total for the current format, so it looks like we're guaranteed to have a new high.

Last year had 38 games, so all this year can do is tie. Not that that's really a criticism.

Folks are nagging on the Yankee/Tigers series as the short-series fly in the overall playoff enjoyment ointment. No way. Quality of Yankee schadenfreude far exceeds quantity of game enjoyment. Every time.

Plus Game 1 of that series was awesome.
   13. BDC Posted: October 22, 2012 at 09:10 AM (#4278764)
Here's a factoid: three times, since the LCS went to seven games, a team that's swept its LCS has met one that was extended to seven games (1988, 2006, 2007). All three times, the team that was taken to seven beat the team that swept in.
   14. McCoy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 09:33 AM (#4278780)
I think the NFL offers a great product too, but bunyon points to a flaw that is becoming more and more egregious, the debilitation of players. Huge numbers of NFL players get mangled and discarded, or pay a price down the line. It's hard not to let that loom over any given Sunday, but the Sundays are still marvelous entertainment.

I was watching the Giants-Redskins football game yesterday when DeAngelo Hall committed an obvious late hit on the Giants' RB. The RB had fallen/dove head first into the ground after he got through the line and was down on the ground when DeAngelo dove at him. DeAngelo hit the down RB in the head with his shoulders, helmet, and back and he was fortunate enough that he didn't seriously injury the RB. It drew a penalty but you barely heard a word out of Troy Aikman or the other announcer nor did it seem like the players really reacted to it.

This is the culture that needs to change in the NFL. It's a league that prides itself in hurting their fellow players and everyone seems to be fine with that. As long as that continues the NFL will get more and more dangerous. On the flipside you have MLB where between the players and umpires/league the play has gotten less and less physical. Takeout slides and beanballs are rarer and rarer in baseball.
   15. bunyon Posted: October 22, 2012 at 09:49 AM (#4278786)
That's true, McCoy, but I'm not sure if you can. One of the central components of the entertainment is the hits. It's like boxing: to make it safer, you also make it less entertaining. Thus, the rise of Ultimate Fighting or whatever it's called. The urge to both commit and witness violence is deep in us. It may not be attractive but it is undeniable. So if you base an entertainment form on satiating that desire, you can't then attenuate the violence and keep the entertainment.

Baseball, basketball and soccer, in my opinion, have just enough violence to sort of scratch that itch, without it being the focus of the sport. You can well imagine any of those sports with greatly reduce levels of physical contact and still have something enjoyable* to watch.


* Perhaps more enjoyable. YMMV.
   16. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 22, 2012 at 10:25 AM (#4278812)
The injury rate in baseball is equal to or higher than that in football (albeit without the concussion problem, which is a serious issue).
   17. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: October 22, 2012 at 10:30 AM (#4278820)
I think the NFL offers a great product too, but bunyon points to a flaw that is becoming more and more egregious, the debilitation of players.


People point to the downtime in baseball games, but my goodness, it seems like every third play in the NFL is under further review.
   18. bunyon Posted: October 22, 2012 at 10:37 AM (#4278830)
Slivers, I'm not talking "injury", I'm talking permanent disability. Baseball players live normal lives. Football players die very young and suffer for much of it.

If a guy worth $50million tears an elbow tendon, I'm not going to weep (unless he's my guy). But if a whole bunch of guys retire unable to walk normally and die with dementia at 53, that should concern us.
   19. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 22, 2012 at 10:43 AM (#4278837)
Ugh. I really wish I had cardsfanboy's optimism. But I feel that the Cardinals lost this series when they forgot that Barry Zito is Barry Zito. Beating Matt Cain twice in the same series? I'm not seeing it.
   20. McCoy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 10:46 AM (#4278841)
The injury rate in baseball is equal to or higher than that in football (albeit without the concussion problem, which is a serious issue).

It's a different kind of injury though. MLB has tweaks and pulls while the NFL has brain damage and much much worse permanent damage to joints and such.
   21. deputydrew Posted: October 22, 2012 at 10:48 AM (#4278845)
Is the game *really* on Fox? What about the debate? I don't have cable and get my games over the air, so I'd like to prepare to go out to a bar, if necessary.
   22. dr. scott Posted: October 22, 2012 at 10:54 AM (#4278853)
Hmmm.. I'll be going to a bar anyway, but it's going packed tonight, so I probably won't get a seat. It's still pouring at AT&T. Biking in the rain, however, was oddly pleasant.

Last weather report I had was they expect the storm to blow over by 5, so I expect at least a delayed game.
   23. bunyon Posted: October 22, 2012 at 10:58 AM (#4278859)
Will a bar play the baseball game or MNF? That would be my only worry.
   24. dr. scott Posted: October 22, 2012 at 11:10 AM (#4278873)
Good point Bunyun. Even in SF this will be a conundrum for certain 1TV bars near tourist areas. I'd stay away from those.
   25. Gamingboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 11:11 AM (#4278874)
Is the game *really* on Fox? What about the debate? I don't have cable and get my games over the air, so I'd like to prepare to go out to a bar, if necessary.


Baseball > Debates. Trust me, the debate will be on plenty of other channels.
   26. Gamingboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 11:21 AM (#4278897)
CHECKLIST (taking suggestions):
Conradian Play []
Web Gem []
It rains. [ ] (Rain delay [])
Stolen Base []
Caught Stealing [ ]
1-2-3-4-5-6 [ ]
Deja, Deja, Deja Vu [X]
Pitcher gets a hit [ ] (Pitcher gets an RBI [ ])
Strikeout of side [ ] (a 1-2-3 inning strikeout of side [])
Play at the plate [ ]
Replay review [ ]
Baserunning blunder [ ]
Blown call [ ] (Blown call costs game [ ])
THIS TRAIN! [X]
2+ pitching changes in single half-inning [ ]
Dramatic late-inning homer [ ]
Idiot runs on the field [ ]
Regular-season starter warms up in bullpen [ ] (Playoff starter warms-up in the bullpen [])
Game goes into extras [ ]
Shapeshifting strikezone [ ]
Inning-Ending DP [ ]
NON-PITCHER Bunt [ ]
Bases loaded, nobody scores in the inning [ ]
Balk [ ]
Buster Posey does something awesome [ ]
WILD BRIAN WILSON APPEARS [ ]
Pujols mentioned [ ]
Stan Musial mentioned [ ]
"X outs" away [ ]
Carlos Beltran is a October Hero [ ]
Carlos Beltran's backup is an October hero [ ]
Carlos Beltran's worst October moment came in a Game 7 of the NLCS [ ]
FREESE! [ ]
Cardinals second only to Yankees in WS titles [ ]]
McCarver's singing career [ ]
Matt Holliday enters the game somehow [ ]
NFL reference (other than NFL on Fox promotion) []
Pence's big speeches [ ]
2006 WS flashback [ ]
Game 6 2011 flashback [ ]
Deja, Deja, Deja Vu [X]
Pablo Sandoval referred to as "Panda" [ ]
FOX gets photobombed [ ]
Mention or reference to Jack Buck [ ]
McCarver was on the Cardinals [ ]
Willie Mays mentioned [ ]
1968 WS mentioned [ ]
Mention that the Giants and Tigers have never met in the World Series [ ]
McCarver mentions words he doesn't like []
Ken Rosenthal's bow-tie charity mentioned [ ]
HR ball goes into McCovey Cove [ ]
Barry Bonds mentioned by name [ ]
Reference to the debate [ ]
Tony Bennett shows up or is referenced [ ]
Deja, Deja, Deja Vu [X]
Kozmania ensues [ ]
Matt Cain Perfect Game clip-show flashback [ ]
The Giants have never won a Best-Of-Seven Game 7 [ ]
1987 NLCS mentioned [ ]
Flashback to 2010 WS [ ]
   27. Famous Original Joe C Posted: October 22, 2012 at 11:31 AM (#4278906)
What's the prognosis for whether there will be a game tonight? Will the weather be reasonable enough?
   28. spycake Posted: October 22, 2012 at 11:43 AM (#4278916)
Is the game *really* on Fox? What about the debate? I don't have cable and get my games over the air, so I'd like to prepare to go out to a bar, if necessary.

Even the generic national TV listings indicate Fox is showing the game rather than the debate. I would be very surprised if Fox or local affiliates even had the option to preempt it for the debate. I think you are safe.
   29. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 22, 2012 at 11:48 AM (#4278924)
Last year had 38 games, so all this year can do is tie. Not that that's really a criticism.
So it did. Well, in that case I'm officailly counting the Play-In games. 40 here we come!
   30. Steve Treder Posted: October 22, 2012 at 12:14 PM (#4278944)
What's the prognosis for whether there will be a game tonight? Will the weather be reasonable enough?

Forecast this morning was basically, who knows? The system is supposed to be kind of breaking up in the late afternoon/early evening, which means it could be showering, cloudy, or clear, and then the same all over again. In any case it will be windy and quite cool. Lousy baseball conditions, for sure.
   31. esseff Posted: October 22, 2012 at 12:14 PM (#4278945)
What's the prognosis for whether there will be a game tonight? Will the weather be reasonable enough?


Rain has stopped and it's getting lighter. One TV forecast is for weather to be dry at game time, with a possibility of showers "in the seventh inning" (in quotes, because of the unwise use of innings as a measure of time).

EDIT: And now the sun starts poking through out in the avenues, in and out of the clouds.
   32. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: October 22, 2012 at 12:35 PM (#4278973)
Clearing some in the Oakland/Berkeley area as well - they'll get it in, but don't be surprised if there are showers here and there during the game.
   33. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 22, 2012 at 12:39 PM (#4278976)
Someone noted it yesterday but the one drawback to this series has been the lack of interesting games. There has been one instance of a team overcoming a lead; the Giants took a 1-0 lead in the top of the 3rd then fell behind permanently in the bottom of the inning. Game Two saw the Cards turn a 1-0 first inning deficit into a 1-1 tie in the top of the second but ultimately lost.

Seven games is seven games, but this has been as unexciting a seven game series as you can get so far. Hopefully tonight will give us a doozy.
   34. Bourbon Samurai Posted: October 22, 2012 at 12:40 PM (#4278978)
We haven't seen a vintage Matt Cain game yet this season.
   35. Perry Posted: October 22, 2012 at 12:40 PM (#4278979)
What's the record for most 3-1 series leads blown? If the Cards lose tonight that'll make 4 that I can think of off the top of my head -- '68 WS, '85 WS, '96 NLCS.
   36. Steve Treder Posted: October 22, 2012 at 01:00 PM (#4278986)
We haven't seen a vintage Matt Cain game yet this season.

Assuming you mean "this postseason," then damn straight. I like to think of it as, "He's due!"
   37. Gamingboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 01:06 PM (#4278991)
   38. esseff Posted: October 22, 2012 at 01:08 PM (#4278995)
It's strange to say, but I don't think Lohse can afford to pitch the same game as when he beat Cain 3-1 in Game 3.

He pitched around a lot of Giants he didn't want to go after, and the Giants let him get away with it by stranding them all. But he can't really expect to put on a couple of runners almost every inning and not think that sooner or later someone will drop in a hit or that he'll miss location and leave the ball over the plate.
   39. dr. scott Posted: October 22, 2012 at 01:09 PM (#4278997)
This year and 2010 have been quite different for Cain.... lets hope the trend reverses itself. then again as long as the giants can score more than 3 runs, even "this cain" will give them a good chance to win.
   40. SoSH U at work Posted: October 22, 2012 at 01:15 PM (#4279000)
Assuming you mean "this postseason," then damn straight. I like to think of it as, "He's due!"


And if you meant "this season," then damn you've got some really high expectations for Mr. Cain.

   41. Steve Treder Posted: October 22, 2012 at 01:22 PM (#4279007)
He pitched around a lot of Giants he didn't want to go after, and the Giants let him get away with it by stranding them all. But he can't really expect to put on a couple of runners almost every inning and not think that sooner or later someone will drop in a hit or that he'll miss location and leave the ball over the plate.

Absolutely right. The Giants went, like, 0-for-53 with runners in scoring position against Lohse. He can't count on that again (good lord let's hope not).
   42. Famous Original Joe C Posted: October 22, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4279008)
Thanks all for tyhe weather update. Hard to tell from the radar and hourly forecast alone.
   43. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 22, 2012 at 01:34 PM (#4279020)
Absolutely right. The Giants went, like, 0-for-53 with runners in scoring position against Lohse. He can't count on that again (good lord let's hope not).


I don't think this will matter. I don't expect the Cardinals to get more than 5 hits tonight, all scattered singles with 2 outs.
   44. deputydrew Posted: October 22, 2012 at 01:50 PM (#4279038)
The Giants should not expect Lohse to give them lots of walks again. However, in my mind, that's just fine. Lohse throws a lot of strikes and the Giants like to swing at anything that's white, round and has red stitches. If Lohse puts 'em in the zone, the Giants have a better chance of hitting them hard.
   45. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 22, 2012 at 01:54 PM (#4279044)
The Giants should not expect Lohse to give them lots of walks again. However, in my mind, that's just fine. Lohse throws a lot of strikes and the Giants like to swing at anything that's white, round and has red stitches. If Lohse puts 'em in the zone, the Giants have a better chance of hitting them hard.


Yes. See Chris Carpenter for more details.
   46. Gamingboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 02:22 PM (#4279083)
I seem to remember seeing something yesterday that the only way they don't play the game tonight is if it is an almost hurricane-like downpour.
   47. Steve Treder Posted: October 22, 2012 at 02:25 PM (#4279087)
I seem to remember seeing something yesterday that the only way they don't play the game tonight is if it is an almost hurricane-like downpour.

Given that the World Series is scheduled to start on Wednesday, it's certain that Our Television Overlords have made that very clear.

Anyway, the weather will certainly be unpleasant, but it seems unlikely that it will be raining heavily for an extended period this evening.
   48. Gamingboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 02:28 PM (#4279091)
Given that the World Series is scheduled to start on Wednesday, it's certain that Our Television Overlords have made that very clear.


From what I understand, if they WERE to for some reason have to delay the game, tomorrow would be a DAY game so as to avoid delaying the WS. Keeping in mind that a day game in SF could very well be a MORNING game depending on when it starts.
   49. The Ghost is getting a Woody Posted: October 22, 2012 at 02:31 PM (#4279092)
I'm sure they'd play tomorrow. I just hope they don't use the same weather forecasters who postponed that Detroit ALCS game for little reason.
   50. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: October 22, 2012 at 02:34 PM (#4279095)
Steve's right. I'm about 10 miles NE of (and across the bay from) the park, and the rain stopped a couple hours ago, the ground here is almost totally dry, and the sky is half-blue. Nothing appears to be headed this way for several hours I'd be shocked if they didn't get the game in tonight.
   51. The Ghost is getting a Woody Posted: October 22, 2012 at 02:34 PM (#4279096)
So what's the most significant single rain-marred play from a past playoff game? I can't think of any specific event offhand.
   52. Gamingboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 02:35 PM (#4279098)

So what's the most significant single rain-marred play from a past playoff game? I can't think of any specific event offhand.


Well, there was the great Rays-Phillies fiasco....
   53. dr. scott Posted: October 22, 2012 at 02:35 PM (#4279100)
Ooooh I bet I could even get tickets for a day game 7... so many people would have to unload them. I know how to be sick. Wife is already sick... easy set up.
   54. Booey Posted: October 22, 2012 at 02:41 PM (#4279103)
And if you meant "this season," then damn you've got some really high expectations for Mr. Cain.


Well, he didn't have 27 K's during his perfect game. He actually had to rely on his defense to help bail him out...

   55. esseff Posted: October 22, 2012 at 02:42 PM (#4279105)
So what's the most significant single rain-marred play from a past playoff game? I can't think of any specific event offhand.


Pregame, so not exactly a play, but . . . Tarp. Vince Coleman.
   56. Baldrick Posted: October 22, 2012 at 02:56 PM (#4279118)
Driving from SF down to Santa Cruz this morning was MISERABLE. It was truly terrible out.

Should be nice by the evening, but it was definitely unplayable this morning.
   57. puck Posted: October 22, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4279132)
The Walrus is Ready

404 - Walrus Not Found
   58. Gamingboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4279145)
The Walrus is Ready


404 - Walrus Not Found


Here he is.
   59. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: October 22, 2012 at 03:17 PM (#4279147)
lets go Giants....time to take the "H" out of Kyle Lohse's name.
   60. Perry Posted: October 22, 2012 at 03:24 PM (#4279156)
What's the record for most 3-1 series leads blown? If the Cards lose tonight that'll make 4 that I can think of off the top of my head -- '68 WS, '85 WS, '96 NLCS.


Answering my own question, yes, the Cardinals hold the record with 3 (and possibly 4 after tonight -- I'm already preparing to be incredibly bitter). In fact, no other franchise has done it more than once -- Senators, Braves, Orioles, Blue Jays, Angels, Cubs, Yankees, and Indians all tied with 1.
   61. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 22, 2012 at 03:33 PM (#4279162)
Answering my own question, yes, the Cardinals hold the record with 3 (and possibly 4 after tonight -- I'm already preparing to be incredibly bitter). In fact, no other franchise has done it more than once -- Senators, Braves, Orioles, Blue Jays, Angels, Cubs, Yankees, and Indians all tied with 1.


Haven't the Cardinals also played more game 7s than anybody else?
   62. deputydrew Posted: October 22, 2012 at 03:41 PM (#4279173)
Gamingboy, here are a couple of suggestions:

Will Clark mentioned
Lincecum trade rumors mentioned
Ozzie Smith NLCS homerun shown
"All the marbles"

   63. TomH Posted: October 22, 2012 at 03:44 PM (#4279174)
Phillies-Dodgers final playoff game in either 77 or 78 was played in a downpour. Very ugly. Very stoopid.
   64. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 22, 2012 at 03:44 PM (#4279176)

Haven't the Cardinals also played more game 7s than anybody else?


Not only that, they have the best record of any team in game 7s.
   65. musial6 Posted: October 22, 2012 at 03:49 PM (#4279181)
Haven't the Cardinals also played more game 7s than anybody else?


Indeed this will be the Cardinals MLB leading 16th game 7. They are 11-4 in the previous 15.

The Yankees have played 13 game 7s.

Including Best of 5 LCS/LDS series, and the new Wild Card game (but not regular season tiebreakers), the Cardinals are 14-5 in decisive winner-take-all postseason games.

The Yankees do lead MLB having played 23 winner-take-all postseason games (excluding regular season tiebreakers).
   66. Steve Treder Posted: October 22, 2012 at 03:59 PM (#4279191)
So what's the most significant single rain-marred play from a past playoff game? I can't think of any specific event offhand.

The seventh game of the 1962 World Series (the only other Game 7 yet played in San Francisco) was delayed for several days by torrential rain. When the game was finally played, the weather was clear but the Candlestick Park outfield was a high-grass swamp. In the bottom of the ninth, the drive Willie Mays hit into the right field corner would almost certainly have skipped all the way to the fence on a normally-dry field, but the thick wet grass caused it to slow down enough for Roger Maris to cut if off (making a hell of a play, carefully keeping his feet on the slippery turf) and keep Matty Alou from scoring the tying run.

Dammit.
   67. #6bid is partially elite Posted: October 22, 2012 at 04:15 PM (#4279216)
Just curious, was there any mention yesterday that Matheny had caught Carpenter (they were teammates in 2004)? I thought it was mildly interesting but didn't see it mentioned here or on the broadcast.
   68. spycake Posted: October 22, 2012 at 04:44 PM (#4279241)
Just curious, was there any mention yesterday that Matheny had caught Carpenter (they were teammates in 2004)? I thought it was mildly interesting but didn't see it mentioned here or on the broadcast.

Possibly not. I actually figured that Matheny had played for the Cardinals more recently than 2004, but I forgot those last two years were in SF and his playing career ended after 2006.
   69. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: October 22, 2012 at 04:49 PM (#4279244)
So what's the most significant single rain-marred play from a past playoff game? I can't think of any specific event offhand.

Terrible weather for the 1925 WS, Game Seven:
"The umpires couldn't see it (the ball hit by Kiki Cuyler which drove in the tieing runs). It was too dark and foggy. It wasn't fair at all. It was foul by two feet. I know because the ball hit in the mud and stuck there." - Goose Goslin

Meanwhile, in SF, it's turned into a very pretty afternoon, with no ominous clouds on the western horizon visible from Fred's Tenderloin Aerie as of @ 2pm local time.
   70. will Posted: October 22, 2012 at 05:15 PM (#4279268)
#63 "Phillies-Dodgers final playoff game in either 77 or 78 was played in a downpour. Very ugly. Very stoopid"

10-8-77, Game 4 at the Vet.Dodgers up 2-1 in a best of 5.....Tommy John vs. Steve Carlton. The evening after the disastrous (for the Phillies)game 3, where Luzinski botched a ball in LF in the bottom of the 9th.

In game 4, it started raining early in the game. The Dodgers took a 2-1 lead going into the 5th and scored 2 in the top of the 5th. Then it REALLY started raining. The NL President (Feeney?)was on site, and instructed the umps to play on. The last 4 innings were played in a driving rain storm. With no prospect for the rain stopping, the league wanted to avoid a rain shortened deciding game. No scoring in last four innings,with brutal conditions on the field and in the stands.

I was in the center field upper deck with my Dad (now departed). Even 35 years later, I'm sad and angry thinking about that miserable night.

May tonight be nothing like October 8,1977.

   71. esseff Posted: October 22, 2012 at 06:01 PM (#4279307)
Meanwhile, in SF, it's turned into a very pretty afternoon, with no ominous clouds on the western horizon visible from Fred's Tenderloin Aerie as of @ 2pm local time.


Some angry looking clouds building in the west right now. Still, it doesn't seem like there'll be an extended sort of storm. But I'm no weather person.
   72. esseff Posted: October 22, 2012 at 06:03 PM (#4279312)
Add postseason rain games:

The first game of the 1982 NLCS was rained out in the fourth inning, with Niekro beating Andujar. The rainout an inning from being official (under the rules at the time) effectively doomed the Braves, who didn't have great starting pitching behind Niekro.

Also, the sixth game of the World Series that year had rain delays. Seemed like they took all night to complete what was a lopsided game.

   73. Gamingboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 06:05 PM (#4279313)
Final Checklist before gametime unless somebody has one that is so awesome I decide otherwise. Note that I'm not marking down Holliday until he's played a full inning in the field or had an official plate appearance.

CHECKLIST (taking suggestions):
Conradian Play []
Web Gem []
It rains. [ ] (Rain delay [])
Stolen Base []
Caught Stealing [ ]
1-2-3-4-5-6 [ ]
Deja, Deja, Deja Vu [X]
Pitcher gets a hit [ ] (Pitcher gets an RBI [ ])
Strikeout of side [ ] (a 1-2-3 inning strikeout of side [])
Play at the plate [ ]
Replay review [ ]
Baserunning blunder [ ]
Blown call [ ] (Blown call costs game [ ])
THIS TRAIN! [X]
2+ pitching changes in single half-inning [ ]
Dramatic late-inning homer [ ]
Idiot runs on the field [ ]
Regular-season starter warms up in bullpen [ ] (Playoff starter warms-up in the bullpen [])
Game goes into extras [ ]
Shapeshifting strikezone [ ]
Inning-Ending DP [ ]
NON-PITCHER Bunt [ ]
Bases loaded, nobody scores in the inning [ ]
Balk [ ]
Buster Posey does something awesome [ ]
WILD BRIAN WILSON APPEARS [ ]
Pujols mentioned [ ]
Stan Musial mentioned [ ]
"X outs" away [ ]
Carlos Beltran is a October Hero [ ]
Carlos Beltran's backup is an October hero [ ]
Carlos Beltran's worst October moment came in a Game 7 of the NLCS [ ]
FREESE! [ ]
Cardinals second only to Yankees in WS titles [ ]]
McCarver's singing career [ ]
Matt Holliday enters the game somehow [ ]
NFL reference (other than NFL on Fox promotion) []
Pence's big speeches [ ]
2006 WS flashback [ ]
Game 6 2011 flashback [ ]
Deja, Deja, Deja Vu [X]
Pablo Sandoval referred to as "Panda" [ ]
FOX gets photobombed [ ]
Mention or reference to Jack Buck [ ]
McCarver was on the Cardinals [ ]
Willie Mays mentioned [ ]
1968 WS mentioned [ ]
Mention that the Giants and Tigers have never met in the World Series [ ]
McCarver mentions words he doesn't like []
Ken Rosenthal's bow-tie charity mentioned [ ]
HR ball goes into McCovey Cove [ ]
Barry Bonds mentioned by name [ ]
Reference to the debate [ ]
Tony Bennett shows up or is referenced [ ]
Deja, Deja, Deja Vu [X]
Kozmania ensues [ ]
Matt Cain Perfect Game clip-show flashback [ ]
The Giants have never won a Best-Of-Seven Game 7 [ ]
1987 NLCS mentioned [ ]
Flashback to 2010 WS [ ]
Will Clark mentioned [ ]
Lincecum trade rumors mentioned [ ]
Ozzie Smith NLCS homerun shown [ ] (would almost certainly mean a Jack Buck reference)
"All the marbles" [ ]
AT&T gets so loud that somebody makes an ill-advised earthquake joke []
Game 7s called "the greatest events in sports" or something similar [ ]
If the Giants win, Buck, McCarver or somebody like that says "The Giants Win the Pennant" [ ]
If the Cardinals win, somebody says "St. Louis will defend it's title" or something similar [ ]
   74. esseff Posted: October 22, 2012 at 06:18 PM (#4279321)
Holliday is tentatively in the lineup, unless there's a setback in BP.
   75. franoscar Posted: October 22, 2012 at 06:18 PM (#4279322)
Is somebody expecting Tony Bennett?
   76. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 22, 2012 at 06:31 PM (#4279341)
Which World Series was it where Bowie Kuhn defiantly sat jacketless in the stands because everyone else thought the weather was terrible?
   77. Steve Treder Posted: October 22, 2012 at 06:33 PM (#4279344)
Which World Series was it where Bowie Kuhn defiantly sat jacketless in the stands because everyone else thought the weather was terrible?

I wanna say 1971, but I'm not certain.
   78. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: October 22, 2012 at 06:41 PM (#4279351)
Which World Series was it where Bowie Kuhn defiantly sat jacketless in the stands because everyone else thought the weather was terrible?

I wanna say 1971, but I'm not certain.

1976--Yankees/ Reds game 3 at YS. Temp went down to about 35, IIRC
   79. Tim D Posted: October 22, 2012 at 06:52 PM (#4279364)
Leyland said today that Valverde would be his first choice to close Game 1. Also that Delmon Young will start the road games in LF. As if you SF and StL fans didn't want to win it bad enough.......
   80. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: October 22, 2012 at 06:56 PM (#4279368)
Raining again in downtown SF

[EDIT] but the sky is pretty bright. Add Rainbow to the checklist?
   81. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: October 22, 2012 at 07:01 PM (#4279370)
Raining again in downtown SF


Just saw the radar on KTVU (local Fox affiliate) and it should blow over in about 15-20 minutes, if not less
   82. Into the Void Posted: October 22, 2012 at 07:02 PM (#4279371)
Was just hailing for a few minutes here in SOMA. Hope they had the field covered.
   83. dr. scott Posted: October 22, 2012 at 07:17 PM (#4279380)
Looks like clouds and occasional rain for the next few hours from the radar. Completely sunny beautiful skies 30 miles south. It's really the only advantage to an hour commute. If there is sunshine in the Bay area it will be where I work.
   84. deputydrew Posted: October 22, 2012 at 07:29 PM (#4279387)
Who is the DH for the Giants, should they win tonight? Aubrey Huff? Xavier Nady? Melky Cabrera? Barry Bonds?
   85. Into the Void Posted: October 22, 2012 at 07:34 PM (#4279390)
I would guess either Nady or Huff. Possibly Hector Sanchez. For Zito or Lincecum starts probably Belt.
   86. esseff Posted: October 22, 2012 at 07:37 PM (#4279391)
For Zito or Lincecum starts probably Belt.


I'd keep Belt at 1B, DH Posey and run the risk of losing the DH if Sanchez got hurt.

(Or deactivate MadBum, if he's the odd man out in the rotation, for a third catcher.)
   87. JJ1986 Posted: October 22, 2012 at 07:39 PM (#4279392)
Tigers starters are all right-handed, so Nady is of no use.
   88. dr. scott Posted: October 22, 2012 at 07:40 PM (#4279394)
If huff is the DH in the next series I will be esctatic as it will mean the giants won.... Then I will start complaining wildly.
   89. Gamingboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 07:48 PM (#4279400)
GAME 7! ARE YOU READY!?!?!!?!
   90. Portia Stanke Posted: October 22, 2012 at 07:51 PM (#4279405)
This game would be much more entertaining if Lohse donned his La Russa uniform and wig for a couple of innings.

Going to need Craig to Craig it up for a bingo tonight.
   91. esseff Posted: October 22, 2012 at 07:51 PM (#4279406)
So the guy who is 5-for-6 against Cain and beat him with a homer Wednesday is not in the Cardinals' lineup.
   92. Lassus Posted: October 22, 2012 at 07:58 PM (#4279408)
Ben and Kate looks destined for the trash heap.
   93. dr. scott Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:00 PM (#4279410)
Caltrain running late from all the Giants fans heading to stadium. Should be there by 10 after. Skies still quite sunny in south SF, but looking quite ominous up ahead. And there went the sun.

Go Giants!
   94. JJ1986 Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:00 PM (#4279411)
Ben and Kate looks destined for the trash heap.


I think the actress playing Kate is really good, but none of the other characters work.
   95. Tim D Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:00 PM (#4279412)
Re Carpenter, yes I believe I would have him in there ahead of Holliday.
   96. Gamingboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:02 PM (#4279414)


I think the actress playing Kate is really good, but none of the other characters work.


She's the daughter of Don Johnson and Melanie Griffith and the granddaughter of Tippi Hedren.

/Wikipedia'd
   97. esseff Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:03 PM (#4279417)
My prediction: Cards will be undone at an inopportune time by the shaky defense of one of their shaky defensive players.
   98. cardsfanboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:04 PM (#4279419)
@Russ: I think you're absolutely right, though it's hard to quibble much with the NFL. I think the biggest problem the NFL has is the long term one of concussions and debilitating health issues of retired players. But, I suspect that as long as the money keeps rolling in, that will be mostly ignore


I can quibble with the NFL. One of the following three will be in the Super Bowl this year. Colts, Patriots or Steelers.. If you have made that prediction at the beginning of the season for the last 11 years, you would have been right 10 times.

   99. salvomania Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:04 PM (#4279420)
So the guy who is 5-for-6 against Cain and beat him with a homer Wednesday is not in the Cardinals' lineup.


That does seem kind of stupid, considering there's a banged-up slumping guy in there instead...
   100. JJ1986 Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:09 PM (#4279426)
I like how quietly Joe Buck called that at bat.
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