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NLCS GAME 7 OMNICHATTER

In this corner, the defending champions of Major League Baseball, sending out Kyle Lohse… THE ST. LOUIS CARDINALS!
And in this corner, the National League West champions, sending out Matt “Perfect Game” Cain… THE SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS!

8 O’Clock. FOX. Game 7. Winner to the World Series, loser goes home.
Game 7.
Tell your friends.

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   101. Gamingboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:09 PM (#4279427)
CHECKLIST:
Conradian Play []
Web Gem []
It rains. [ ] (Rain delay [])
Stolen Base []
Caught Stealing [ ]
1-2-3-4-5-6 [ ]
Deja, Deja, Deja Vu [X]
Pitcher gets a hit [ ] (Pitcher gets an RBI [ ])
Strikeout of side [ ] (a 1-2-3 inning strikeout of side [])
Play at the plate [ ]
Replay review [ ]
Baserunning blunder [ ]
Blown call [ ] (Blown call costs game [ ])
THIS TRAIN! [X]
2+ pitching changes in single half-inning [ ]
Dramatic late-inning homer [ ]
Idiot runs on the field [ ]
Regular-season starter warms up in bullpen [ ] (Playoff starter warms-up in the bullpen [])
Game goes into extras [ ]
Shapeshifting strikezone [ ]
Inning-Ending DP [ ]
NON-PITCHER Bunt [ ]
Bases loaded, nobody scores in the inning [ ]
Balk [ ]
Buster Posey does something awesome [ ]
WILD BRIAN WILSON APPEARS [ ]
Pujols mentioned [ ]
Stan Musial mentioned [ ]
"X outs" away [ ]
Carlos Beltran is a October Hero [ ]
Carlos Beltran's backup is an October hero [ ]
Carlos Beltran's worst October moment came in a Game 7 of the NLCS [ ]
FREESE! [ ]
Cardinals second only to Yankees in WS titles [ ]]
McCarver's singing career [ ]
Matt Holliday enters the game somehow [ ]
NFL reference (other than NFL on Fox promotion) []
Pence's big speeches [ ]
2006 WS flashback [ ]
Game 6 2011 flashback [ ]
Deja, Deja, Deja Vu [X]
Pablo Sandoval referred to as "Panda" [ ]
FOX gets photobombed [ ]
Mention or reference to Jack Buck [ ]
McCarver was on the Cardinals [ ]
Willie Mays mentioned [ ]
1968 WS mentioned [ ]
Mention that the Giants and Tigers have never met in the World Series [ ]
McCarver mentions words he doesn't like []
Ken Rosenthal's bow-tie charity mentioned [ ]
HR ball goes into McCovey Cove [ ]
Barry Bonds mentioned by name [ ]
Reference to the debate [ ]
Tony Bennett shows up or is referenced [ ]
Deja, Deja, Deja Vu [X]
Kozmania ensues [ ]
Matt Cain Perfect Game clip-show flashback [ ]
The Giants have never won a Best-Of-Seven Game 7 [ ]
1987 NLCS mentioned [ ]
Flashback to 2010 WS [ ]
Will Clark mentioned [ ]
Lincecum trade rumors mentioned [ ]
Ozzie Smith NLCS homerun shown [ ] (would almost certainly mean a Jack Buck reference)
"All the marbles" [ ]
AT&T gets so loud that somebody makes an ill-advised earthquake joke []
Game 7s called "the greatest events in sports" or something similar [ ]
If the Giants win, Buck, McCarver or somebody like that says "The Giants Win the Pennant" [ ]
If the Cardinals win, somebody says "St. Louis will defend it's title" or something similar [ ]
   102. The Ghost screws up everything with hubris Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:10 PM (#4279428)
Girardi would have Carpenter in there.
   103. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:10 PM (#4279429)
Future Hall of Famer Carlos Beltran setting the table there.
   104. Lassus Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:10 PM (#4279430)
I wonder if the outfielder could have gotten that going full bore, the IF has to peel off earlier.
   105. cardsfanboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:11 PM (#4279432)
Cain is dealing....
   106. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:11 PM (#4279434)
Girardi would have Carpenter in there.

Yeah, but Schumaker would also be playing instead of Craig.
   107. cardsfanboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:12 PM (#4279435)
I had to argue with people that benching Holliday is a bad thing yesterday, prove me right.
   108. cardsfanboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:13 PM (#4279436)
That pitch was close, Fox track says ball, but it was a tough pitch to lay off with the way Cain is pitching.
   109. Guts Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:13 PM (#4279438)
Nice AB by Holliday, didn't quite get enough of it.

   110. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:14 PM (#4279439)
i remember nights like this in san fran it taking a cannon shot to get one out of the ballpark

these pitchers should throw their pitches with confidence
   111. Guts Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:14 PM (#4279440)
I had to argue with people that benching Holliday is a bad thing yesterday, prove me right.

These people are crazy, you don't need to be proven right.
   112. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:15 PM (#4279442)
Thank goodness we got a closeup of Cain's face while he made that pickoff throw.
   113. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:15 PM (#4279443)
that would have been embarrassing getting picked off 3 feet from the base
   114. cardsfanboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:15 PM (#4279444)
Is fox averaging 1 out of 2 pitches with the correct camera angle so far?
   115. Gamingboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:15 PM (#4279445)
Stolen Base [X]. Beltran now 11-11.
   116. JJ1986 Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:16 PM (#4279446)
I hate the Cardinals, but I think I might root for them in the WS, if they win tonight, because of Beltran.
   117. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:16 PM (#4279447)
Future Hall of Famer Carlos Beltran with an excellent impression of someone who didn't come out of a game with a knee strain earlier in the series.
   118. Guts Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:16 PM (#4279448)
Was Craig swinging on his own, or was that a hit and run? If the latter, that is not a very good idea.

Craig swings at the same pitch again, though, so I guess it could have been a straight steal.

Annnd pops it up. Of course. At least Craig made contact!
   119. cardsfanboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:16 PM (#4279449)
These people are crazy, you don't need to be proven right.


My buddy made a "meme" with a picture of Holliday saying
"If Mike puts me in tonight, at least CFB will root for me"
   120. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:17 PM (#4279450)
all the fox camera guys with any experience are on their way back from yesterday's football game

the baseball crew has 4 latvians on loan from covering soccer
   121. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4279452)
are the 4 keys to the game some kind of cryptic philosophy??
   122. cardsfanboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4279453)
Outside of this week, I've never heard "Hurry to lose, slow down to win".... I don't think that is a theory that guys like Greg Maddux or Mark Buerhle believe in.
   123. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4279454)
that pitch is a strike in most rational worlds
   124. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4279455)
my eyes must be totally shot when i am thinking a cards pitcher is getting scr8wed on the strike calls
   125. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4279456)
Outside of this week, I've never heard "Hurry to lose, slow down to win".... I don't think that is a theory that guys like Greg Maddux or Mark Buerhle believe in.

That's why Steve Trachsel was so much better than those chumps.
   126. Jose Remains The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:23 PM (#4279458)
Can't hit and run prettier than that.
   127. Gamingboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:23 PM (#4279459)
WILD BRIAN WILSON APPEARS! [X]

BRIAN WILSON USES SCREAM-IN-DUGOUT!
   128. deputydrew Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:24 PM (#4279460)
I thought MLB prohibited players from gunking up their batting helmets like Pablo does. It's not as bad as Lenny Dykstra and Vladimir Guerrero, but it's still pretty bush league.
   129. cardsfanboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:24 PM (#4279461)
One run scored, let's keep it there.
   130. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:24 PM (#4279462)
GAME OVER.
   131. Gamingboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:24 PM (#4279463)
If you coudl get a Conradian on making an out, that would have been it.
   132. JJ1986 Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:26 PM (#4279465)
Come on, Gerald!
   133. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:27 PM (#4279466)
what was posey swinging at? that pitch was at his ankles
   134. Jose Remains The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:27 PM (#4279468)
I just want to say I share cfb's frustration with the behind the plate angle.
   135. Jose Remains The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4279469)
If you coudl get a Conradian on making an out, that would have been it.


Times two.
   136. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4279470)
pence is a dead ringer for a street person who hangs out on state street in madison, wi
   137. Tim D Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4279471)
If Kozma misplays it's a "bad hop!" How about a "bad catch?"
   138. cardsfanboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4279472)
If you coudl get a Conradian on making an out, that would have been it.


If there was a makeable play on that, the Conradian belongs to the runner. Lohse shouldn't have even considered that play with a decent running performance.
   139. Guts Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:29 PM (#4279473)
GAME OVER.

Agreed. I have zero confidence in the Cards' offense right now.

It would be one thing if Posey, Panda, Cain, etc. were winning this series. But it's been Vogelsong, Pagan, and Marco ####### Scutaro. Just a disappointing few days.
   140. Tim D Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:29 PM (#4279474)
Nice damage control by Lohse.
   141. Gamingboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4279475)
Is it just me, or is Jon Krasinski now the go-to voiceover-for-commercials guy?
   142. Jose Remains The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4279476)
If there was a makeable play on that, the Conradian belongs to the runner. Lohse shouldn't have even considered that play with a decent running performance.


I think the Conradian aspect of it was the spiked throw to first. That was my thought anyway, not sure what gb was thinking. Agreed that Pagan getting thrown out at the plate would have been blunderiffic.
   143. Mefisto Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4279477)
Posey just looks lost at the plate. I can't tell if he's pressing or just come down to earth after his second half.
   144. salvomania Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:32 PM (#4279478)
Cmon Guts, LAEHOA, etc.

We've all seen the Birds routinely break out for 4-5-6-7 runs, often initiated by a non-usual suspect. Craig looks close--he's making contact!---Holliday hit the ball hard, Matt Cain is not a god but a man, there's still 24 outs to go.

I like our chances.
   145. JJ1986 Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:33 PM (#4279480)
Did McCarver just say two of the Cardinals are great playoff performers and not list Freese?
   146. Lassus Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4279481)
I don't understand why CFB hates the behind-the-catcher angle. What's so terrible about it?
   147. salvomania Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4279483)
Yadi's already seen more pitches than he saw all Game 6.
   148. cardsfanboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4279485)
Ump seems to be calling the strikezone per fox track, but man a lot of close pitches to take. (which is good, Cardinals hit better, like most teams I imagine, when they, force the pitcher to throw strikes)
   149. Guts Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4279486)
First leadoff man on for the Cards in 16 innings.
   150. cardsfanboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:35 PM (#4279487)
I don't understand why CFB hates the behind-the-catcher angle. What's so terrible about it?


you are kidding right?
   151. Gamingboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:35 PM (#4279488)

Giants suck at Game 7s [X]
   152. salvomania Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:35 PM (#4279489)
What's so terrible about it?


Besides not being able to see the type of pitch, whether it's up or down, whether it's inside or outside, how the batter reacts to it, or how the catcher reacts it, nothing.
   153. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:35 PM (#4279490)
"None of that matters, because none of these players were involved in any of that."

Except, you know, for Game 7 of the World Series last year, which you guys called. (Not that the historical stats are meaningful regardless, of course.)
   154. Jose Remains The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:36 PM (#4279491)
I don't understand why CFB hates the behind-the-catcher angle. What's so terrible about it?


You don't see anything. The plate is hidden, the ball pretty much disappears from view. The behind the pitcher angle is simply the right place to watch a pitch from.
   155. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:36 PM (#4279492)
FOX director, graphics guy, and stats guy all cursing McCarver for who-cares-ing their pregame prep.
What are the announcers supposed to do, talk about THIS game?
   156. cardsfanboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:38 PM (#4279493)
This team showing patience is a great sign of hope.
   157. Guts Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:38 PM (#4279494)
Freese having a great AB here. Cards' issue has been doing something with these good ABs.

Hey, a walk! This inning is looking up a bit. Oh wait, Descalso.
   158. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:38 PM (#4279495)
solid play
   159. Jose Remains The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:39 PM (#4279497)
Hell of a play by Belt.
   160. Guts Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:40 PM (#4279498)
Better than expected result for DD. C'mon, Kozmania.
   161. Lassus Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:40 PM (#4279500)
- shrug -

When you've watched 98% and probably more of the pitches in your life from one view, I just can't personally can't see the grumping about the occasional different angle.

YMMV, as they say.
   162. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:41 PM (#4279501)
When you've watched 98% and probably more of the pitches in your life from one view, I just can't personally can't see the grumping about the occasional different angle.

When I'm watching a pitch, I like to be able to watch the pitch.
   163. Lassus Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4279502)
Cain looks like he has some nerves.
   164. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4279503)
that was a nasty 3-2 pitch

he got'em at 3rd
   165. Gamingboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4279504)
Just, and I do mean JUST safe.
   166. Guts Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4279505)
Oh, good, two RISP for Lohse. Well, at least we cleared the pitcher.
   167. JJ1986 Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4279506)
That would have been awesome.
   168. Jose Remains The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4279507)
Why should I be satisfied with a less useful angle? It's not the end of the world but the playoffs are not the time for cutesy angles.
   169. cardsfanboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4279508)

When you've watched 98% and probably more of the pitches in your life from one view, I just can't personally can't see the grumping about the occasional different angle.


I love alternate camera angles for everything else, I would prefer for them to pan out more for the defense, but for the pitch, you cannot see anything from behind the home plate. They might as well turn off the camera completely for the pitch, it will give the viewer the exact same experience.
   170. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4279509)
Buster Posey comes really, really close to doing something awesome [x]
   171. cardsfanboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4279510)
They are not giving that outside strike no matter how many times Cain hits the exact same spot. Good umping so far.
   172. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4279511)
Nice snag!
   173. cardsfanboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4279512)
Damnit, Nice F'ing play.
   174. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4279513)
now that's some defense there folks
   175. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4279514)
Web Gem!
   176. SOLockwood Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4279515)
Web Gem!
   177. Gamingboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4279516)
Web Gem [X]

I was sure that was going to get over.
   178. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4279517)
Web Gem!
   179. Tim D Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4279518)
A narrow escape there for the Jints
   180. Lassus Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4279519)
Awesome way to end an inning.
   181. Jose Remains The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4279520)
I know he's a punching bag but McCarver explaining why he thinks the outfielders are too deep is why I like him. He gets his opinion out there in advance.

Big play by Crawford. Off the bat I thought it was a hit.
   182. Guts Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4279521)
Hopefully they can keep some pressure on Cain. Meanwhile, Lohse needs to stop giving up line drives.
   183. bunyon Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4279522)
Great catch. If behind the catcher was from a bit higher and panned out, it would be great. My favorite place to watch a game is second or third deck behind the plate.
   184. salvomania Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4279523)
OK, 46 pitches for Cain through two... top of the lineup due in the 3rd, Lohse needs to shut these bayseeds down!
   185. tshipman Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4279524)
CRAWFORD!!!!

Also, Cain is getting squeezed a bit.
   186. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4279525)
and if anyone wants to know the experience of watching yovani gallardo pitch matt cain is doing a great imitation

3-2 count after 3-2 count after 3-2 count

gives me a d8mn ulcer
   187. salvomania Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:46 PM (#4279526)
Web Gem? Really? On a weakly hit humpback liner that the SS didn't really even have to leap for? The ghost of Jim Edmonds lives on in a SS???

EDIT: OK, on the replay, I see that Crawford did in fact have to leap... I would have preferred not to have the tying run not score due to a good play...
   188. Mefisto Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:46 PM (#4279527)
From the Giants perspective, this doesn't look good despite the lead. Cain is not sharp at all.
   189. Lassus Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:47 PM (#4279528)
That Galaxy phone commercial would be a lot better if the coda was understandable. Am I the only one who has yet to figure out what she's asking for in regards to which line it is?
   190. Gamingboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:47 PM (#4279529)
'87 NLCS [X]
   191. Guts Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4279531)
Am I the only one who has yet to figure out what she's asking for in regards to which line it is?

Yes. She's in the line for apps.
   192. cardsfanboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4279532)
Also, Cain is getting squeezed a bit.


I don't think so, Cain is getting the real strike zone, it's about time that they stopped calling that 4 inch outside pitch a strike.
   193. Lassus Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4279533)
I know he's a punching bag but McCarver explaining why he thinks the outfielders are too deep is why I like him. He gets his opinion out there in advance.

I guess I'm Mr. Contrarian this series (although I am agreeing with what you quoted), but I think this has been McCarver's best series in awhile.
   194. tshipman Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4279534)
Am I the only one who has yet to figure out what she's asking for in regards to which line it is?


She's asking if she's in the right line to get the new apps. It's a joke about how old people like iPhones, but don't know anything about technology.

Web Gem? Really? On a weakly hit humpback liner that the SS didn't really even have to leap for? The ghost of Jim Edmonds lives on in a SS???


I think you are underrating that play. That's a hit more than half the time.
   195. cardsfanboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4279537)
Web Gem? Really? On a weakly hit humpback liner that the SS didn't really even have to leap for? The ghost of Jim Edmonds lives on in a SS???


After watching the replay, do you still think that?
   196. Lassus Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4279538)
That looked less web-gemmy in slow motion.
   197. cardsfanboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4279540)
I guess I'm Mr. Contrarian this series (although I am agreeing with what you quoted), but I think this has been McCarver's best series in awhile.


That's an awfully low standard, I can see it being possible, but I'm not sure that is actually a compliment.
   198. Guts Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4279541)
I am with salvo on that catch. If I were at SS there, I think I have a non-zero chance of catching that ball, which should disqualify it from being a great play.
   199. cardsfanboy Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4279542)
That looked less web-gemmy in slow motion.


Our vision must be different, I think the slow motion cemented it as a web gem.
   200. Lassus Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4279543)
She's asking if she's in the right line to get the new apps.

Oh, duh. I think I just couldn't get away from hearing "amps" and couldn't figure out why that was funny.
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