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No MLB rule changes likely until eve of spring training

CARLSBAD, CALIF.- Major League Baseball and its players’ union likely will not decide until the eve of spring training whether to change rules in an effort to increase action on the field next year.

Deputy Commissioner Dan Halem said Thursday as the annual general managers’ meetings ended that there was no consensus for change yet. More discussions will take place when owners gather next week in Atlanta, the union’s executive board convenes in late November and major league executives go to Las Vegas for the winter meetings in mid-December.

Topics being discussed include the increased use of defensive shifts, the decrease in innings thrown by starting pitchers and technology that aids sign stealing. A possible 20-second pitch clock and alterations to rules for waivers, trade deadlines and disabled lists also are being talked about by a tradition-bound sport resistant to change.

It does give Rob Manfred another few months to consider more terrible ideas and ignore good ones….

QLE Posted: November 09, 2018 at 07:55 AM | 30 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Spahn Insane Posted: November 09, 2018 at 09:41 AM (#5784800)
Just the cure for what ails 'em: the MLB version of "illegal defense." Trying to regulate the shift is a dumb idea.

Should I be grateful there's no mention of that stupid "runner on second to start an extra inning" idea in the excerpt?
   2. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: November 09, 2018 at 09:51 AM (#5784804)
Just the cure for what ails 'em: the MLB version of "illegal defense." Trying to regulate the shift is a dumb idea.

Should I be grateful there's no mention of that stupid "runner on second to start an extra inning" idea in the excerpt?


How about if the free runner on second can tackle any shifted fielder?

Compromise!
   3. jmurph Posted: November 09, 2018 at 10:34 AM (#5784831)
I'm open to the idea of a rule change limiting shifts, with the caveat that I doubt they'll come up with anything smart.
   4. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 09, 2018 at 10:38 AM (#5784836)
Rob Manfred has no genitals.
   5. Man o' Schwar Posted: November 09, 2018 at 11:31 AM (#5784876)
If you take away the defensive option to shift, then you have to take away an offensive option as well to balance it out. I think bunting should go. Plus with no bunting, there will be no situations where defenders play out of position to try to take the bunt away (that's basically a shift anyway, so it should be illegal regardless). It's win-win!

Any player who tries to bunt will be ejected, and forced to spend the evening at Bob's Country Bunker listening to Joe West sing.
   6. Man o' Schwar Posted: November 09, 2018 at 11:34 AM (#5784882)
Should I be grateful there's no mention of that stupid "runner on second to start an extra inning" idea in the excerpt?

I think if you do this and you don't score, then you should start the next inning with *two* runners on second, and so on. With the rise of shutdown bullpens, we could get a situation where we reach the 15th inning and start with 7 or 8 guys out at 2nd base. That's gonna be must-see baseball when the batter singles and they all try to score.
   7. caspian88 Posted: November 09, 2018 at 11:37 AM (#5784887)
I like a strict pitch clock, plus bigger outfields and a slightly deader ball. This would help reduce home runs while also helping encourage speedier outfielders who can cover more ground (and hopefully wouldn't have as much power), in addition to triples.
   8. catomi01 Posted: November 09, 2018 at 11:57 AM (#5784907)
Start with a pitch clock, and see how that works before you change the way the game on the field is played.

Batters will adjust over time to the shift - offense and defense have been adjusting their strategies to different era's and environments for years - this will be no different. Aside from just speeding up the game, I think a pitch clock will alleviate some of the max-effort, max-strategy on every pitch approach we see from pitchers and defense right now, and lead to fewer K's.
   9. Man o' Schwar Posted: November 09, 2018 at 12:04 PM (#5784910)
I like a strict pitch clock, plus bigger outfields and a slightly deader ball. This would help reduce home runs while also helping encourage speedier outfielders who can cover more ground (and hopefully wouldn't have as much power), in addition to triples.

I would love to see bigger parks and a deader ball. But I grew up watching baseball from the 70s and 80s, so I miss the speed-oriented part of the game that has all but disappeared.
   10. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: November 09, 2018 at 12:05 PM (#5784912)
Pitch clock, no warm-up pitches, push the mindset to keep the game moving.

No changes to how the game is played.
   11. jmurph Posted: November 09, 2018 at 12:09 PM (#5784915)
No changes to how the game is played.

I get this, but current bullpen usage and constant shifting are changes to how the game is played.
   12. Bote Man Posted: November 09, 2018 at 12:12 PM (#5784916)
No changes to how the game is played.

Rob Manfred stated in an interview/"town hall" during the All Star break that he favors rules changes that do not directly affect the play of the game, so banning shifts would be low on his list of priorities. Whether he intends to stick with that tack I can't say.
   13. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 09, 2018 at 01:10 PM (#5784964)
Change the outfield warning track into a shallow moat. Sure, there'd be some injuries, but a lot more doubles, triples & inside-the-park HRs, and the idea is to make the game more exciting, isn't it? The new most exciting play in baseball, the splash catch!
   14. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: November 09, 2018 at 01:26 PM (#5784978)
I get this, but current bullpen usage and constant shifting are changes to how the game is played.


The game evolves. That is a great part of its history.

Rules changes to attempt to change how it is played are usually wrong and can frequently backfire.
   15. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: November 09, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5784985)
Manager must endure a kick to the genitals for every pitching change seems like it would solve a lot of problems.
   16. base ball chick Posted: November 09, 2018 at 01:45 PM (#5784988)
Zonk is Just the Right Amount of Wrought Posted: November 09, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5784985)

Manager must endure a kick to the genitals for every pitching change seems like it would solve a lot of problems


- nah
lemme tell you what would work

every time a pitcher exceeds the pitch clock time of 15 seconds, he has to take off an item of clothing and every time a batter steps out, yep
strippity doo dah day

now it might could take a few times for them boyz to larn (keep it slow, dr smooth, yeh, nice n slow) but it sure would speed up the game after the first few games
   17. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: November 09, 2018 at 01:56 PM (#5784998)
every time a pitcher exceeds the pitch clock time of 15 seconds, he has to take off an item of clothing and every time a batter steps out, yep
strippity doo dah day


Well, then I hope Big Sexy has a healthy love of his body...

This still leaves the problem of what to do with Pedro Baez... he'll be naked before his 2nd pitch.
   18. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:40 PM (#5785028)
every time a pitcher exceeds the pitch clock time of 15 seconds, he has to take off an item of clothing

That holds true for the manager* too, right bbc?



* Anaheim teams only
   19. Bote Man Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:51 PM (#5785083)
At least that will attract more female fans, at least to teams managed by Ausmus, Kapler, and that new guy Woodward(?)
   20. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: November 09, 2018 at 04:05 PM (#5785094)
At least that will attract more female fans, at least to teams managed by Ausmus, Kapler, and that new guy Woodward(?)


The next time a female pitcher makes a play for a career, I expect it might change the discussion, too...

In fact... how much worse than Tyler Chatwood could Jessica Alba really be?
   21. Bote Man Posted: November 09, 2018 at 04:31 PM (#5785106)
Rachel Phillips will never allow that.
   22. phredbird Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:29 PM (#5785138)

Any player who tries to bunt will be ejected, and forced to spend the evening at Bob's Country Bunker listening to Joe West sing.


i'm sorry but we have a bill of rights for a reason.
   23. bobm Posted: November 09, 2018 at 06:53 PM (#5785219)
[8] I think a pitch clock will alleviate some of the max-effort, max-strategy on every pitch approach we see from pitchers and defense right now, and lead to fewer K's.

Serious question: why?
   24. SoSH U at work Posted: November 09, 2018 at 07:06 PM (#5785224)
Serious question: why?


Presumably because if pitchers are forced to work faster, with less rest between pitches, they won't have as much steam on the ol' heater
   25. catomi01 Posted: November 09, 2018 at 07:10 PM (#5785225)
Exactly what I was thinking. Though it is nothing more than a wild ass guess.
   26. catomi01 Posted: November 09, 2018 at 07:12 PM (#5785227)
And from a practical standpoint, limiting the amount of time between pitches also means less time to move guys around on d. So you might be less likely to put a different shift on with 2 strikes than you had on to start the PA.
   27. Bhaakon Posted: November 12, 2018 at 10:43 PM (#5786375)
Ban pitching in consecutive games. Every pitcher must have at least one game off between appearances.

It would never happen, but I'd be curious what, if any, effect a rule that essentially mandates fewer and longer relief appearances would have on injuries.
   28. PreservedFish Posted: November 12, 2018 at 11:16 PM (#5786386)
Exactly what I was thinking. Though it is nothing more than a wild ass guess.


There is a correlation between slow pitcher pace and high fastball velocity. I think it's better than a wild ass guess, I think it's an informed guess.
   29. Dr. Vaux Posted: November 13, 2018 at 07:09 AM (#5786412)
It would never happen, but I'd be curious what, if any, effect a rule that essentially mandates fewer and longer relief appearances would have on injuries.


I'm pretty sure the transition to full bullpenning would happen overnight.

Why would making the same motions have a different result just because there was less time in between? Maybe with more time in between, they're not the same motions. Pitchers do take different amounts of time between pitches depending on the situation, so it might be possible to measure that somehow.
   30. Greg Pope Posted: November 13, 2018 at 09:31 AM (#5786434)

Why would making the same motions have a different result just because there was less time in between? Maybe with more time in between, they're not the same motions. Pitchers do take different amounts of time between pitches depending on the situation, so it might be possible to measure that somehow.


Rest and recovery. It seems likely that with an extra 10 seconds or more between pitches, that the pitcher can throw at his maximum for more pitches.

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