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No surprise here: Giants legend Barry Bonds can still rake at the age of 54

Barry Bonds continues to be like a fine wine. At the age of 54, he’s still got it.

John Shea of The San Francisco Chronicle recently witnessed a show put on by Major League Baseball’s all-time home run leader.

Bonds was in street clothes smacking ball after ball with a “whack” noise that Shea said was synonymous with the former Giants slugger.

Bonds was asking Giants’ longtime batting practice pitcher, John Yandle, to bring the heat, and even bring some specialty pitches into the mix with adding “more spin to the breaking balls.”

At the rate things are going for the Giants, why not give him a try?

 

QLE Posted: April 30, 2019 at 04:16 AM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: barry bonds, comebacks

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   1. I Am Not a Number Posted: April 30, 2019 at 08:19 AM (#5836634)
Barry Bonds is a young, vibrant man.
   2. The Duke Posted: April 30, 2019 at 08:24 AM (#5836637)
If he comes back, he can reset his hall of fame clock
   3. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: April 30, 2019 at 08:39 AM (#5836640)
If he comes back, he can reset his hall of fame clock


I don't think that's correct. He will be taken off the ballot, and not be eligible again until 5 years after his second retirement, but the years spent on the ballot already are gone forever. He gets only 3 more years on the ballot, whether they come in the next 3 years, or in years 2027, 28, and 29.
   4. SoSH U at work Posted: April 30, 2019 at 08:41 AM (#5836641)
I don't think that's correct. He will be taken off the ballot, and not be eligible again until 5 years after his second retirement, but the years spent on the ballot already are gone forever. He gets only 3 more years on the ballot, whether they come in the next 3 years, or in years 2027, 28, and 29.


That's true. On the other hand, pushing back the final three years on the ballot would reset the electorate, which, given the progress he's already made, would probably be enough to get him in.
   5. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: April 30, 2019 at 08:54 AM (#5836646)
Yes, that would likely help
   6. PreservedFish Posted: April 30, 2019 at 09:20 AM (#5836654)
I wonder how long he could have played for, if he wasn't shut out of the game. He was still among the best hitters in baseball at age 42 - it's impossible to predict the shape of his decline, but I don't think it's crazy to think that he could have been useful, at least in a Kendrys Morales sense, as late as age 50.
   7. Itchy Row Posted: April 30, 2019 at 10:50 AM (#5836697)
Bonds had 2.0 WAA in 2007, which is 18th among last seasons for hitters right now. Fourth on the last-season list is Cody Bellinger this season, already at 3.1 WAA, behind three guys who didn't choose to retire- Shoeless Joe, Roberto Clemente, and Happy Felsch.
   8. Adam Starblind Posted: April 30, 2019 at 11:59 AM (#5836733)
Fourth on the last-season list is Cody Bellinger this season, already at 3.1 WAA


Has he been poisoned or something?
   9. SoSH U at work Posted: April 30, 2019 at 12:17 PM (#5836743)

Bonds had 2.0 WAA in 2007, which is 18th among last seasons for hitters right now. Fourth on the last-season list is Cody Bellinger this season, already at 3.1 WAA, behind three guys who didn't choose to retire- Shoeless Joe, Roberto Clemente, and Happy Felsch.


Is Ortiz No. 1 among the voluntarily retired?
   10. DavidFoss Posted: April 30, 2019 at 12:26 PM (#5836746)
Excluding the 2018 & 2019 guys (most of the 2018 guys are not retired, but on the IR)

name,WAA
Shoeless Joe Jackson
,5.24
Roberto Clemente
,3.51
Happy Felsch
,3.25
David Ortiz
,3.03
Jackie Robinson
,2.84
Phil Tomney
,2.75
Roy Cullenbine
,2.47
Will Clark
,2.29
Henry Moore
,2.10
Bill Joyce
,2.08
Ray Chapman
,2.07
Barry Bonds
,1.96
Grover Gilmore
,1.94
Bill Lange
,1.90
Ted Williams
,1.86
Charlie Ferguson
,1.86
Gil McDougald
,1.86 


The names I hand-filtered out from 2018-2019 are Cody Bellinger, Aaron Hicks, Jed Lowrie, Didi Gregorius, Scooter Gennett and Mike Trout. I think they are all active or on the IR, but didn't double check.
   11. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: April 30, 2019 at 12:42 PM (#5836755)
That list is pretty crazy: So David Ortiz had the best final season (by WAA) of anybody who retired in the history of baseball? I feel like that wasn't something that ever came up during that season (and I live in New England...never came up locally, either).

Also, why did Will Clark retire when he did? He was an absolute beast in 2000...
   12. SoSH U at work Posted: April 30, 2019 at 12:46 PM (#5836756)
So David Ortiz had the best final season (by WAA) of anybody who retired in the history of baseball?


Among hitters. Mike Mussina, for one, eclipsed him on the pitching side.
   13. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: April 30, 2019 at 12:49 PM (#5836759)
Also, why did Will Clark retire when he did? He was an absolute beast in 2000...

ACCORDING TO ERIC BYRNES, IT WAS BECAUSE CLARK HAD AN AUTISTIC SON THAT HE WANTED TO BE HOME FOR TO HELP WITH HIS DEVELOPMENT!!!!!!!!!
   14. caspian88 Posted: April 30, 2019 at 12:57 PM (#5836760)
27-9 with a 1.73 ERA and 317 strikeouts in 323.0 innings (all league leading totals) for 7.4 WAA probably takes the cake.
   15. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: April 30, 2019 at 01:02 PM (#5836764)
Julio Franco put up positive WAR through age 46. I would have to think a guy who put up a 169 ops+ at age 42 could have at least done that.
   16. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 30, 2019 at 01:29 PM (#5836774)
How come all you Bonds fanboys aren't whining about the grave injustice done to Grover Gilmore?
   17. DavidFoss Posted: April 30, 2019 at 01:32 PM (#5836776)
Among hitters. Mike Mussina, for one, eclipsed him on the pitching side.

Correct. The pitching list:
Jim Devlin,8.67
Bill Sweeney
,8.57
Sandy Koufax
,7.37
Charlie Ferguson
,5.3
Win Mercer
,3.66
John Ewing
,3.46
Mike Mussina
,3.19
Dutch Ulrich
,3.09
Luis Severino
,3.05  (2018 on IR)
Billy Hart,2.93
Jocko Flynn
,2.85
Jim Conway
,2.72
Henry Boyle
,2.67
Larry French
,2.66
Fred Smith
,2.61
Jose Fernandez
,2.60
Curt Schilling
,2.50
Toad Ramsey
,2.35
Phil Douglas
,2.27
Eddie Cicotte
,2.26
Roger Bailey
,2.26
John Tudor
,2.22
Britt Burns
,2.19
Monty Stratton
,2.17
Jeff Zimmerman
,2.09
Mike Sirotka
,2.08 


Devlin was banned. Sweeney was a UA star that the NL/AA weren't interested in after 1884. Koufax we know about. Ferguson was on the hitters list. Mercer took his own life. Ewing was Buck's brother and he apparently held out and then got sick and was dead within four years. Ulrich died young (not sure on details). Hart was a one-year fillin for an AA team during the players revolt. Flynn got a bad arm and had a drinking problem. That's all I have time for right now...
   18. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 30, 2019 at 01:36 PM (#5836778)
Burns and Sirotka were both career-long White Sox pitchers who got traded away, only to find that they had career-ending injuries and never pitched a single inning for their new clubs.

Roger Bailey got in a car accident during spring training in 1998, suffered a back injury and never pitched again.

Jose Fernandez you know about.
   19. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: April 30, 2019 at 01:42 PM (#5836780)
I prefer to think of it as Britt Burns having enough of a sense of decency and honor to retire rather than wear Yankee pinstripes.
   20. vortex of dissipation Posted: April 30, 2019 at 02:49 PM (#5836814)
Ulrich died young (not sure on details)


Dutch Ulrich died of pneumonia and pleurisy at age 29.
   21. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: April 30, 2019 at 03:12 PM (#5836822)
I thought Dave Nilsson would be on the list. He was an All-Star and then retired to be the boss of the Australian baseball league.

141 OPS+ as a catcher in 404 PA only gets you 1.4 WAA?
   22. DavidFoss Posted: April 30, 2019 at 03:20 PM (#5836825)
141 OPS+ as a catcher in 404 PA only gets you 1.4 WAA?

He had 16 RAA. Batting and position puts him at +24, then baserunning (-1) and fielding (-7) knock him back down. He wasn't that terrible of a fielder career-wise but two of his two worst fielding seasons line up with his two best batting seasons -- otherwise he'd have a couple of high-WAR seasons in there.
   23. Hank Gillette Posted: April 30, 2019 at 11:25 PM (#5837022)
So David Ortiz had the best final season (by WAA) of anybody who retired in the history of baseball?


Babe Ruth had 3.4 WAA his last year with the Yankees. If he had not made that ill-advised signing with the Braves…
   24. Walt Davis Posted: May 01, 2019 at 05:34 AM (#5837045)
At the rate things are going for the Giants, why not give him a try?

Cuz Trump would tweet about it and blame it on Pelosi then have Bonds deported.
   25. John Northey Posted: May 01, 2019 at 08:48 AM (#5837059)
I'd love an AL team to sign him as a DH just for fun. See if he could walk 100 times in half a season. Make full use of pinch runners.

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