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Tuesday, August 28, 2018

Noah Syndergaard after tough stretch: ‘I’m just kind of wasting my ability to throw a baseball’

Mets fans, insert your own jokes here.

New York Mets pitcher Noah Syndergaard is stuck in a tough stretch. In his last five starts coming into Monday’s game, the 25-year-old had an uncharacteristic 4.50 ERA.

That figure went up after a 7-4 loss to the Chicago Cubs. Syndergaard gave up four runs on nine hits over six innings during the contest. He avoided the loss after the Mets tied things up in the seventh.

Following the game, Syndergaard told reporters he feels like he’s been wasting his ability recently.

 

QLE Posted: August 28, 2018 at 07:27 AM | 35 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 28, 2018 at 10:07 AM (#5734705)
Being a Met will make you think that way.

2.62 FIP, 3.51 ERA.

   2. Charles S., looking 4 band-aids instead of dreams Posted: August 28, 2018 at 10:18 AM (#5734712)
I can see him being down after yesterday. He gave up a lot of hard contact. Intentionally passing Schwarber only to give up a 2-run single to Lester has to mess with your head.

I hadn't seen the Mets much before last night, and I recognize it was their "facing a lefty" line-up, but still, they are mighty old for a team in their situation. How does a non-contender roll out a line-up with Reyes, Bautista, Austin Jackson and the Toddfather? And Jay Bruce as your first guy off the bench? Shouldn't most of those guys have been traded or DFA'd by now? Other than Frazier (and maybe Bruce), I can't imagine any of them are on long-term contracts.
   3. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 28, 2018 at 10:29 AM (#5734722)
Bruce and Frazier were on the DL until very recently, and they were pretty sucky before that, so there was no market for them. They're not going to be DFA'd. They were both signed this off-season -- Frazier on 2-year deal, Bruce for 3 -- and Jeff Wilpon will never, either A.) admit he was wrong or 2.) eat that much money.

Bautista is likely to be a Phillie before the end of the day. Reyes is still here so he can have 1 last game with David Wright on October 1. I have no idea what the deal is with Austin Jackson, but he is producing, so he will be kept around until he is not, I'd reckon.
   4. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 28, 2018 at 10:33 AM (#5734729)
As far as Syndergaard goes, I blogged about this a week a go
   5. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 28, 2018 at 10:46 AM (#5734747)
Bruce and Frazier were on the DL until very recently, and they were pretty sucky before that, so there was no market for them. They're not going to be DFA'd. They were both signed this off-season -- Frazier on 2-year deal, Bruce for 3 -- and Jeff Wilpon will never, either A.) admit he was wrong or 2.) eat that much money.

Frazier was an ok deal. He is getting older but for 2 years at pretty low money ($8 million this year, $9 next), not a bad signing. He has been hurt, but has played well in general when not hurt.

The Bruce signing was very questionable. I don't understand the Met's love for him. He is getting a lot more money ($11 million this year, $14 next 2) and he was never that good. He was some power, but was never a great fieler, and getting older and worse. He doesn't have the bat for first base, but the Mets will probably stick him there, maybe platoon with Flores and get some starts in outfield.

That signing, along with Vargas, were the real headscratchers.
   6. formerly dp Posted: August 28, 2018 at 11:09 AM (#5734758)
Bautista and Jackson and Reyes are on the team because the Mets had a series of injuries and trades: Cespedes & Lagares out for the season, Cabrera is on the Phils, and Nimmo's on the DL (back today, hopefully). Gavin Cecchini probably would have taken Reyes's place at some point, but he's been hurt all year. McNeil was on the bench because of a minor injory yesterday. But yeah, it's not very inspiring: this year has been a non-stop education in the meaning of "replacement level" (the Mets had both starting catchers go down within a day of each other way back in April, that was fun).
   7. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 28, 2018 at 11:32 AM (#5734771)
That signing, along with Vargas, were the real headscratchers.


Well, I think you're playing the results a little bit here.

At the time Bruce's signing, it was looked at as a pretty solid deal. He had just come off a very good post season with the Indians and was considered one of the top 4 or 5 "power" bats available and it appeared the Mets had signed him slightly on the cheap.

I didn't agree with Vargas, but they needed another lefty and they for sure overpaid. But nobody could have foreseen exactly how awful he'd be this year.

   8. formerly dp Posted: August 28, 2018 at 11:51 AM (#5734782)
I didn't agree with Vargas, but they needed another lefty and they for sure overpaid. But nobody could have foreseen exactly how awful he'd be this year.
True...but: his numbers from last season IIRC were built mainly on a solid first half, and he absolutely cratered from August on: batters hit .284/.359/.524, he had a 6.49 ERA over those last 12 starts. Of course, that's why he was cheap, but just because he was cheap doesn't mean they should have signed him. Especially with Big Sexy available :)
   9. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 28, 2018 at 12:18 PM (#5734818)
At the time Bruce's signing, it was looked at as a pretty solid deal.

20/20 hindsight and all, but I didn't think it was a good deal. Despite his solid year with the bat, he had less than 3 WAR last year. His defense is below average at best and going downhill and his bat doesn't play for first base. He also was heading into his age 31-34 seasons. No I didn't see the awful year, but that was mostly due to his playing through injuries.

He was also another lefty bat, and was blocking Conforto from his best position (right field). Conforto is not a center fielder.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: August 28, 2018 at 05:15 PM (#5735066)
Yep, Bruce in the abstract was OK -- average guy for average guy money, maybe a year too long. But Bruce on this team with these players already there didn't make sense when they traded for him, didn't make sense last offseason. They needed a CF and/or a 1B, not another corner OF. AJax is costing the Mets the minimum ... and the Giants/Rangers only $3 M. He's only been there for a bit over a month and just to put somebody semi-competent out there.

As to the age, this is often what teams look like the year before the rebuild begins -- worse because of all of the injuries. It was an old position player roster to start the season and then it broke down.
   11. bobm Posted: August 28, 2018 at 05:45 PM (#5735085)
Mets let Murphy and Turner go, but re-signed Bruce after dumping him for salary.

They cannot evaluate their own players properly. That bodes poorly for the future.
   12. Adam Starblind Posted: August 28, 2018 at 07:31 PM (#5735122)

Mets let Murphy and Turner go, but re-signed Bruce after dumping him for salary.


I hate their decisionmaking, but I get defensive about Murphy and Turner. There was every reason to think Walker could match Murphy's production in 2016, but without making a 3-year commitment to a second baseman in his 30s. The fact that Murphy turned into vintage Don Mattingly was not reasonably foreseeable--or else the Nats would have had to pay a helluva lot more to get him. And not even Turner's mom predicted that he would become a star.
   13. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: August 28, 2018 at 07:31 PM (#5735123)
Nobody properly evaluated those two. Turner signed a minor league deal with LA, and it took more than a full season of him playing like an all-star for them to commit to him as a starter.

And Murphy got a decent contract, but nobody understood how good he had become. And that includes Murphy, who surely would have taken the one year offer from the Mets rather than knowingly sign away his peak at a 50% discount.

There's a very long lost of reasons to criticize the Mets and to doubt they're ability to contend, but the Murphy and Turner complaints have always felt unfair.

   14. PreservedFish Posted: August 28, 2018 at 07:35 PM (#5735124)
I didn't agree with Vargas, but they needed another lefty and they for sure overpaid.

I find this comment insane. Why on earth did the Mets need a lefty? Was there ever any possible future where it actually mattered what hand our 5th starter threw with?
   15. Howie Menckel Posted: August 28, 2018 at 07:42 PM (#5735126)
yeah, no question Murphy didn't evaluate HIMSELF properly. if he couldn't do it, I can't blame the Mets there.

Turner was - just a guy with the Mets. the only way they win that one is if someone says, "remember that stiff Melvin Mora and what happened when he left here? could that happen again?"
   16. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: August 28, 2018 at 10:17 PM (#5735222)
There's a very long lost of reasons to criticize the Mets and to doubt they're ability to contend, but the Murphy and Turner complaints have always felt unfair.

I agree with this sentiment by the way.

Quick question: if the Mets had not gotten hot in the 2015 playoffs and made it to the World Series, would the Alderson era be considered an abject failure? The 2015 Mets were a good but not great team that got hot at the right time. There is very little success outside that year, the team is not very good now, and the farm system is weak.
   17. Walt Davis Posted: August 28, 2018 at 10:46 PM (#5735252)
Agree that they shouldn't be criticized over Murphy and Turner -- well, they're the Mets, feel free to criticize them for anything AFAIC -- but it is evidence that they aren't good at evaluation (i.e. well above-average). And that mediocrity seems true for young and vet players alike ... and their position player development ain't nothing to brag about ... got some nice pitching talent though. :-)
   18. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: August 28, 2018 at 10:54 PM (#5735256)
Also, I don't think it's an accident that Syndergaard's FIP is lower than his ERA. I think he has incredible fastball velocity but it's not as effective as one would think it would be. He gives up hits on the fastball.
   19. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: August 28, 2018 at 11:54 PM (#5735272)
I agree with this sentiment by the way.

I appreciate people agreeing me with me, but I'd have preferred that you not quote that mangled sentence I wrote.
   20. Stormy JE Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:49 AM (#5735292)
Bautista and Jackson and Reyes are on the team because the Mets had a series of injuries and trades: Cespedes & Lagares out for the season, Cabrera is on the Phils, and Nimmo's on the DL (back today, hopefully). Gavin Cecchini probably would have taken Reyes's place at some point, but he's been hurt all year. McNeil was on the bench because of a minor injory yesterday. But yeah, it's not very inspiring: this year has been a non-stop education in the meaning of "replacement level" (the Mets had both starting catchers go down within a day of each other way back in April, that was fun).
Don't forget about TJ Rivera.
yeah, no question Murphy didn't evaluate HIMSELF properly. if he couldn't do it, I can't blame the Mets there.
Well said, Howie.
Quick question: if the Mets had not gotten hot in the 2015 playoffs and made it to the World Series, would the Alderson era be considered an abject failure? The 2015 Mets were a good but not great team that got hot at the right time. There is very little success outside that year, the team is not very good now, and the farm system is weak.
And what if the Mets didn't get unlikely with all of those injuries last season and made the postseason? Would we have deemed the Alderson era pretty damn good, all things considered? Your hate for Sandy seems a bit over the top.
   21. bobm Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:12 AM (#5735301)
Nobody properly evaluated those two.

But the Mets had inside information and blew it. That's different from what the other 29 teams saw from the outside.

TURNER:

Turner signed a minor league deal with LA, and it took more than a full season of him playing like an all-star for them to commit to him as a starter.

Remember this horsebleep?

Mets non-tendered Justin Turner after frustration over effort
Updated Dec 10, 2013; Posted Dec 10, 2013

By Jorge Castillo jcastillo@starledger.com
The Star-Ledger

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. — The non-tender deadline is a nondescript event in a long baseball offseason. Usually, clubs make the obvious decisions and not much attention is paid.

But the Mets drew some attention when they surprisingly included utility infielder Justin Turner among the five players they non-tendered.

On paper, Turner was a competent weapon off the bench. Limited to 86 games last season due to a hamstring injury, he he hit .280/.319/.385. He started games at third base, shortstop, first base, and second base. The versatility and production seemed to be worth the $800,000 he was projected to earn in 2014.

But the front office had grown tired of what they perceived as a lack of hustle and decided to let him go, according to a person with knowledge of the situation. The person requested anonymity to speak freely on the matter.

When asked about the decision Sunday, Mets manager Sandy Alderson did not address Turner's situation directly.

"Don’t assume every non-tender is a function of money," Alderson said.


More on Turner: NY Times: For Dodgers Star Justin Turner, the Mets’ Rejection Still Motivates

[...]There are telephone calls that stick in the mind forever, critical conversations at pivotal moments in life. For Justin Turner, one of those calls came as he was getting into his car at his Los Angeles home on Dec. 2, 2013.

As a key member of the players’ association, Turner was about to drive with Kourtney Elizabeth, who is now his fiancée, to San Diego for a union meeting, where he would represent his fellow Mets players. Then his cellphone rang. It was Sandy Alderson, the team’s general manager, informing Turner that he was being let go.

In an instant, Turner’s world was rocked. He had had a productive year as a utility player in 2013, batting .280, and he had just begun to make changes to his swing that would bring huge dividends in the years to come. But he said that Alderson informed him on the phone call that the Mets needed roster space and would not tender him a contract for 2014, even though he had made barely more than $500,000 in 2013 and was not about to become an expensive item on the team payroll.

As Turner sank into the car, his career appeared to be crumbling.

“I still went down there to San Diego and was still a part of the meetings, because it’s all stuff that I care about,” Turner said at Citi Field on Friday as his Los Angeles Dodgers team, now the best in the major leagues, began a weekend series against a Mets club going nowhere. “But it was a weird, empty feeling being down there and not having a team. That off-season, I was trying to find a place to play, trying to get a job. It was a rough process.”

The rest of the story is well known, and not one of the highlights of the Mets’ many personnel decisions since Alderson took over as general manager for the 2011 season.

At the time the Mets released him, Turner was deep into the process of restructuring his swing path and approach at the plate so he could pull the ball more and hit it in the air more frequently. Turner had started tinkering with his swing at the end of that 2013 season, batting .357 in September along with his only two home runs that year, and he then spent five days a week in the batting cage from October through November before Alderson’s call. [...]


MURPHY:

And Murphy got a decent contract, but nobody understood how good he had become. And that includes Murphy, who surely would have taken the one year offer from the Mets rather than knowingly sign away his peak at a 50% discount.

I do not know about that "surely." ISTM that players hate the 1-year nature of the qualifying offer and prefer the security of a multiyear deal at a smaller annual average salary, just as the article below indicates for Murphy. No surprise there. The discount was partly due to whatever value they surrendered in the pick.

One source indicated Murphy had not been aggressive in pursuing other opportunities because he was convinced he could still get a multi-year deal from the Mets — despite team officials telling Murphy and his representatives they intended to go in a different direction.

It wasn’t until the Mets acquired Walker for Jon Niese on Dec. 9 that Murphy realized he was finished in the organization that drafted him and he needed to be more aggressive pursuing other avenues.

Of course, if Murphy’s heart was completely set on returning to the Mets, he could have accepted the club’s one-year qualifying offer worth $15.8 million. But Murphy was seeking a deal longer than the one to two years the Mets might have been willing to tender after he rejected the qualifying offer.

All indications are Murphy will get at least a three-year deal, but his market could be hurt by the fact the Mets extended him the qualifying offer, meaning teams will have to surrender a draft pick to sign him.


Link

The fact that the Mets would have preferred to gamble on a cheaper Walker or Dilson Herrera option should surprise no one.
   22. Adam Starblind Posted: August 29, 2018 at 06:48 AM (#5735319)
Agree that they shouldn't be criticized over Murphy and Turner ... but it is evidence that they aren't good at evaluation (i.e. well above-average).


It is actually not, since their assessment of those two was apparently the same as the other 29 teams. Now their assessment of Michael Cuddyer ...
   23. Adam Starblind Posted: August 29, 2018 at 06:52 AM (#5735320)
One source indicated Murphy had not been aggressive in pursuing other opportunities because he was convinced he could still get a multi-year deal from the Mets — despite team officials telling Murphy and his representatives they intended to go in a different direction.


Why would a player who was clearly about to become an MVP contender have to be "aggressive" to find a deal?

The discount was partly due to whatever value they surrendered in the pick.


If you are signing an All Star caliber second baseman, that consideration is minimal. If, on the other hand, the second baseman in question is 31 and coming off a season of 1.3 WAR, then it matters.
   24. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 29, 2018 at 08:51 AM (#5735345)
The fact that the Mets would have preferred to gamble on a cheaper Walker or Dilson Herrera option should surprise no one.

Walker wasn't cheaper and he also cost them a trade chip in Jon Niese. He was on a one year deal.

I agree that Murphy was a fluke and wouldn't have bet on it.
   25. Lassus Posted: August 29, 2018 at 09:06 AM (#5735359)
yeah, no question Murphy didn't evaluate HIMSELF properly. if he couldn't do it, I can't blame the Mets there.
Well said, Howie.


Really? That makes no sense at all. That's their damn job, for not just Murphy but hundreds of players.

Golfers have professional swing coaches because it is those coaches' JOBS to find issues and errors that the player - who is only evaluating one swing, not hundreds - cannot. Professional musicians, professional dancers already deep in their careers have instructors to help them improve because they themselves are not teachers and are poor evaluators of themselves.

I am forgiving when an organization can't see that a player is going to be bad; but I see NO reason to give them a pass on failure to recognize the possible massive success of players such as Murphy or Turner. It's laziness, IMO.
   26. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 29, 2018 at 09:26 AM (#5735373)
But the front office had grown tired of what they perceived as a lack of hustle and decided to let him go


Was there any truth to this at the time? As a Dodger, it seems like he plays his ass off.
   27. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 29, 2018 at 10:14 AM (#5735391)
If you are signing an All Star caliber second baseman, that consideration is minimal. If, on the other hand, the second baseman in question is 31 and coming off a season of 1.3 WAR, then it matters.
"You shut your stupid mouth!" --Neil Walker
   28. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 10:14 AM (#5735392)
22

Now their assessment of Michael Cuddyer ...


Cuddyer was signed to be David Wright's buddy.
   29. formerly dp Posted: August 29, 2018 at 10:19 AM (#5735397)
Going upthread a bit:
The groupthink here was definitely that the Bruce signing seemed like a good deal at the time. My personal take was this: they did not expect Conforto back until much later in the season, and needed a bat for a corner OF slot until he returned. Bruce seemed like a long-term patch for a short-term problem--Swoboda is right that it left them with 3 corner OFs for 2 corner OF slots, and they knew full well that Conforto was not a CF (I suspect they also realized Nimmo was stretched there as well). The signing had not a lot of upside, and a lot of downside, especially considering that Bruce had hit .222/.288/.406 from 2014-2015, showing that, even when he was younger, he's was prone to long periods of uselessness. Carlos Gonzalez signed very late in the offseason--and for only $8M. Similar question marks, and a little older--but fewer stretches of abject uselessness than Bruce.
   30. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 10:52 AM (#5735414)
Carlos Gonzalez signed very late in the offseason--and for only $8M. Similar question marks, and a little older--but fewer stretches of abject uselessness than Bruce.


Yes, but a lot of people took the Coors Field factor into account WRT Gonzalez.

EDIT: I certainly did.
   31. formerly dp Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:24 AM (#5735445)
Yes, but a lot of people took the Coors Field factor into account WRT Gonzalez.

EDIT: I certainly did.
Totally. And Gonzalez is just as streaky a player as Bruce (but did have some vision-related issues that were corrected IIRC?). Still: the Mets needed a band-aid for a possible extended absence by Confronto, not a corner OF for the next 3 years (and it's an open question as to if Conforto came back from what was a very serious shoulder injury too soon). Gonzalez would have provided that, with a lower downside than Bruce. Of course, at the time they signed Bruce, no one had a sense of just how poor the market would be for sub-superstar vets...
   32. Banta Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:08 PM (#5735464)
To somewhat echo what's being said, Bruce's deal looked better before the offseason was over. I don't think evaluating a deal based on WAR/$ means everything and whatever it does mean absolutely needs to take in what happened over course of the whole offseason, not just at the point it was signed.

In general, I wouldn't have wanted Bruce at any price, if it meant a commitment. And now that's what the Mets have made to a player who had a couple replacement level seasons in his late 20s and was never much more than an average hitter for his position.
   33. Adam Starblind Posted: August 29, 2018 at 06:43 PM (#5735857)
It made zero sense to sign Bruce instead of getting a center fielder. Lorenzo Cain could hardly have been a more obvious fit, save for the possibility that he hates Noah Syndergaard for throwing at his head in the 2015 World Series.
   34. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: August 30, 2018 at 06:11 PM (#5736585)
And what if the Mets didn't get unlikely with all of those injuries last season and made the postseason? Would we have deemed the Alderson era pretty damn good, all things considered? Your hate for Sandy seems a bit over the top.

I don't think Alderson did a good job for the Mets and feel like he gets something like a free pass around here. He does not seem to have done a better job than Minaya and Omar was not well-regarded around here.

Also,

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   35. Adam Starblind Posted: August 30, 2018 at 07:25 PM (#5736628)
Banta sighting is an ok reason to break the thread.

As for Omar, you're right that the team did at least as well as under Alderson, but Omar also inherited young Wright and Reyes and got the money to get Beltran, Pedro, Delgado, Santana, Wagner, and on and on (it seems to me). It was a different franchise.

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