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Nolan Ryan cuts ties with Astros amid front-office shake-up involving his son

The Houston Astros are starting the offseason by shaking up their front office, but it’s raising even more questions for a team that’s been peppered with them since the start of the World Series.

Astros owner Jim Crane announced Thursday that team president Reid Ryan has been re-assigned and Crane’s son Jared is taking on a leadership role. In the aftermath of that announcement, Hall of Famer and Astros legend Nolan Ryan — Reid’s father — said he won’t continue with the Astros in his role as an executive advisor to Crane and the Astros.

Up until the change, the first three names on the Astros’ org chart were Jim Crane, Reid Ryan and Nolan Ryan.

The big question is why — and whether the move has anything to do with the controversy involving former assistant general manager Brandon Taubman during the World Series and the Astros’ internal handling of it. Thus far, the Astros’ public statements haven’t connected this front-office change with what happened last month, but the timing is enough to pique curiosity.

Well, this isn’t something you see every day…..

 

QLE Posted: November 08, 2019 at 12:01 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: astros, nolan ryan, reid ryan

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   1. asinwreck Posted: November 08, 2019 at 08:39 AM (#5899638)
OK.
Crane said Thursday he was bringing in his son, Jared, to get more experience and to help the organization. Crane maintained the moves were not related to the incident with SI or the firing of an assistant general manager.
   2. SoSH U at work Posted: November 08, 2019 at 09:36 AM (#5899655)
The big question is why — and whether the move has anything to do with the controversy involving former assistant general manager Brandon Taubman during the World Series and the Astros’ internal handling of it.


I don't know why it would, unless Crane was upset they weren't on the frontlines of the club's "Hey, Playing the Villain Sounds Like Fun" campaign. It was Crane and Luhnow who came across as tone-deaf asswipes, not Nolan and Lil' Nolan.

   3. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: November 08, 2019 at 10:18 AM (#5899675)
Reid Ryan was on the pre-game for game 6 (or 7: I can't remember) on Sirius MLB Network Radio and was asked why his dad wasn't throwing out the first ball. He gave out some vague pablum about Nolan wanting to give somebody else a chance or some such palaver.

I think now we know why he declined...
   4. base ball chick Posted: November 08, 2019 at 11:53 AM (#5899712)
i am absolutely sure that there is something more going on than little johnny nepotism being put in a position he doesn't know anything about

i remember that nolan left the astros in a tizzy fit about the time tal smith was hired by the previous owner - something about how as assistant to the assistant GM (or whatever his title was back then) his, um, opinions weren't being given enough, um, um - uh, nobody was taking his orders/mandates. he flounced on out and the dallas team immediately hired him (good publicity) and gave him a nice title

then he was the supposed new owner of the rangers, even though he only had a really small percent. he used them, they used him. he got all the credit for the improvement in the team, instead of the GM/new owners/good players already there. if i remember rightly, there was a whole lot of stuff about how nolan wanted the starters to be just like him - you know, throwing umpty hundred pitches a game and finishing all the games like Real Men do. so nolan got all the credit for the team winning 2 pennants, and then getting bad when he left, as if his leaving made the team get bad.

he got forced out there. and ah do mean forced out (and ah sure would like to know why) - not fired, of course, or publically told to get lost, and so he went back to the astros and got as HEEEro's welcome and given a nice title. and his son, who had a reputation as a, um, not nice boss when he was at round rock, was hired to be president - but at least he had some experience running a BASEBALL team, even if it was minor league, unlike postolos who was a basketball guy

and, btw, the rangers had nolie poo throw out the last first pitch at the now old ballpark at arlington, where he never pitched. INteresting. and he didn't throw out any first pitch at any of the playoff or WS games, even stranger. so i strongly suspect something was ALREADY up

but taking out reid ryan, who actually KNOWS how to run a baseball team, putting him somewhere where he really has no say in running the team, and installing little johnny nepotism as president, instead of special assistant or something - well, it is a very strange decision for a man like crane

SOMEbody high up had to OK that infamous statement about the reporter making up lies about that jerk taubman and it is hard for me to believe that there is no connection whatsoever, and i haven't read about any media or PR people getting fired

nolan is a legend - what was that line in some old movie - if you don't know any facts, print the legend

if the astros do great in 2020 and win the WS, it will be because nolan made the team great when he was there. if the astros do NOT make it through the playoffs or even make the playoffs, it will be because nolan wasn't there any more

   5. ajnrules Posted: November 08, 2019 at 12:02 PM (#5899716)
nolan is a legend - what was that line in some old movie - if you don't know any facts, print the legend

"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.
-The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962)

I admit I was surprised when Nolan threw out the first pitch at the last Rangers game in Globe Life Park. I didn't suspect any problems between the Ryans and the Astros. I'm sure all Rangers fans would be ecstatic if he comes back with their team, because so many people still blame his ouster on the Rangers' misfortunes since 2014.
   6. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 08, 2019 at 12:16 PM (#5899721)
Thanks for an excellent and informative post, Lisa. It's odd that a team apparently as well-run as the Astros would force out their president over a PR problem on the baseball side of things.

Do you know if Nolan still owns a piece of the Dallas team? I assume he had to give that up when he went back to the Astros.
   7. base ball chick Posted: November 08, 2019 at 12:19 PM (#5899723)
ajnrules Posted: November 08, 2019 at 12:02 PM (#5899716)

I'm sure all Rangers fans would be ecstatic if he comes back with their team, because so many people still blame his ouster on the Rangers' misfortunes since 2014.


- folks often do mix up coincidence with the actual cause

like i said, nolan is a legend. i'm surprised that luhnow gets the credit for the astros success over the past 5 years, instead of nolan. or even reid.

not sure if the rangers want him back - it's still the same group that he, uh, had, um, trouble - ahem - with before. he's certainly not going to be team president or CEO - and not sure if he would agree to come back if he doesn't have any power

will be interesting if he once more refuses any astros contract with round rock (when the current one is up) and the astros - and if so, where will the astros put their AAA team - would they be able to get san antonio away from the brewers?

   8. base ball chick Posted: November 08, 2019 at 12:37 PM (#5899727)
Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 08, 2019 at 12:16 PM (#5899721)

Thanks for an excellent and informative post, Lisa. It's odd that a team apparently as well-run as the Astros would force out their president over a PR problem on the baseball side of things.

Do you know if Nolan still owns a piece of the Dallas team? I assume he had to give that up when he went back to the Astros


- thanks, tom

it is VERY VERY odd that reid ryan, who is apparently running the team really well, was forced out. SOMEthing serious has to be the reason. i don't know

1 - who OKd verlander's demand that reporter X not be allowed in the lockere room when he was speaking - against ML rules

2 - what the culture is really like in the FO - maybe taubman is the tip of the iceberg and crane is trying hard to deal before even more shtttt comes out. i DO know that the people i know who worked in/with the FO are gone and i am positive that one of them would NOT have put up with taubman - either his very obvious misogyny and/or his habit of taking credit for other peoples' work

the astros LIKE having their AAA team in round rock instead of some far off place where there are no astros fans and they can't really use the AAA team to build team loyalty - like, say OK city, which is rangers territory. so it had to be something worth losing round rock over. and installing little johnny nepotism, well, i gotta think there is something more

losing nolan is PR seeing as how he wasn't actually doing anything - more like jimmy dugan said - it was made very clear what i'm supposed to do here. i smile, wave my little hat...
   9. Howie Menckel Posted: November 08, 2019 at 12:51 PM (#5899733)
Reid Ryan was on the pre-game for game 6 (or 7: I can't remember) on Sirius MLB Network Radio and was asked why his dad wasn't throwing out the first ball. He gave out some vague pablum about Nolan wanting to give somebody else a chance or some such palaver.

Ryan famously didn't participate in 50th anniversary ceremonies this summer of the 1969 Miracle Mets. the scuttlebutt tossed out was that he wanted the focus to be more on staff ace Tom Seaver - who remained at his California winery with his advancing case of Alzheimer's - than on his 1969 swingman self.

now all we need is an Angels tie-in, and we're good to go!
   10. base ball chick Posted: November 08, 2019 at 01:24 PM (#5899750)
i can understand the mets thing, sort of, because seaver was the STAH!!! of that team

but nolan IS texas, and the astros fans believe they have a much bigger claim to nolan than the dallas team, and basically, ex-stros threw out the first pitches. so, WHY no nolan???????
   11. base ball chick Posted: November 08, 2019 at 02:50 PM (#5899795)
AND the news about the ryans isn't on the astros official siter

that is definitely strange
   12. ajnrules Posted: November 08, 2019 at 05:33 PM (#5899843)
"Something is rotten in the state of [Texas]"
-Marcellus, Hamlet
   13. Howie Menckel Posted: November 08, 2019 at 06:34 PM (#5899859)
i can understand the mets thing, sort of, because seaver was the STAH!!! of that team

if Seaver could have been there, absolutely (although 222-game winner Jerry Koosman, the other superstar P on that team and a CG winner of the title game and the 'other guy' on the Nolan Ryan Topps rookie card, turned up).

reports on Seaver were dire enough that if he could have just showed up on the back of a pickup truck and offered a feeble wave, there would have been so much joy in Metsville. the fact that even that was too much just reminds us all how much Alzheimer's is a horror.
   14. PreservedFish Posted: November 08, 2019 at 07:24 PM (#5899866)
Lotta storm and stress here about three sinecures.
   15. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 08, 2019 at 07:48 PM (#5899872)
You might think that, but Reid Ryan's job was real. He cut his teeth running a minor league team, and was by all accounts the legitimate president of the organization.

This article thinks his dad's sinecure is the real story, but Reid was much more important to the Astros.
   16. JJ1986 Posted: November 08, 2019 at 08:07 PM (#5899874)
I heard on a podcast this week (I think it was Eric Longenhagen) that front office people had left the Astros last year because of the culture. I wonder if that meant Mike Fast and Sig Mejdal or if it was lower-level guys none of us have ever heard of.
   17. base ball chick Posted: November 08, 2019 at 09:12 PM (#5899879)
PF

tom is right. reid ryan had a real job and he really DID run the bidness of the team. nolan waved his little hat for the fans. he got thrown out on his ear in dallas and he hasn't had any sort of power since. they didn't hire reid in order to get nolan, although it was a nice PR thingy

no idea what lil junior is actually gonna do, but astros fans best hope n pray he isn't lil jeffy poo wilpon V2

i heard it thru the grapevine that sig mejdal was about as useful as the second handle of a poopoo fork

as for mike fast
well, let's just say he is the exact opposite of that jerk taubman. i don't know for a fact why he left because i never asked and he never said, but i am gonna say it was because he was offered a better job with the barves for more $$$ and less poopoo. i really can't say anything about anyone else

but the fact that a total buttmunch like taubman was luhnow's petsy-poo tells me a WHOLE lot about the poisonous environment there

- like i keep saying, i just do not bleeve this is nothing more than the installation of a no nothing nepotism
billionaires don't just get rid of a person who is making them tons of millions
   18. Howie Menckel Posted: November 08, 2019 at 09:20 PM (#5899882)
Fast is - well, Fastidious.

He wouldn't be willing to work in a toxic environment - and lo and behold, he just happened to leave the Astros behind. and now.....

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