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Thursday, October 23, 2008

NY Baseball Digest: Silva: Mets Must Channel Everyone’s “Hate”

I will wait until Richard Galdston releases his “A Psychoanalytic Study of Hatred in the National League” before I believe this gunk exists.

Scott Lauber pointed out how the Phillies, and most of the NL East, hates the Mets. He cited conversations he had with members of the Florida Marlins about their disdain for them, and how badly they wanted to send the Mets home.

Now this morning, Bill Madden of the Daily News discusses the same topic. This time, it’s Phillies GM Pat Gillick cites “Mets hate” as one of the reasons that Philadelphia, not New York, is currently playing baseball at the “Trop”. Some quotes from Gillick:

“If you want to know the best thing we had going for us this year,” said Gillick, “it was the fact that all the other teams in our division hated the Mets’ guts. It started with Atlanta and all the hostility they had with the Mets through the years. Then Fredi Gonzalez left Bobby Cox to manage the Marlins and he didn’t forget everything that went on between the Braves and Mets. Look what Florida did for us the past two years (beating the Mets two out of the three in each of the last series of the season to prevent them from making the postseason)!

“Washington doesn’t like them very much either, and all those teams seemed to really get up for the Mets.”

Repoz Posted: October 23, 2008 at 08:08 PM | 43 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. scareduck Posted: October 23, 2008 at 09:08 PM (#2993317)
Hate leads to suffering. Suffering leads to trailing the division.
   2. flournoy Posted: October 23, 2008 at 09:12 PM (#2993320)
I hate the Mets.
   3. Russlan will never be fond of Jason Bay Posted: October 23, 2008 at 09:27 PM (#2993331)
The Phillies went 41-31 against the NL East while the Mets went 40-32. I don't think how the NL East felt about either team meant much. I think it had more to do with the bullpens than anything else.
   4. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: October 23, 2008 at 09:28 PM (#2993333)
all the other teams in our division hated the Mets’ guts. It started with Atlanta

no it didn't--it all started with that rictus-grinning little cunt, Bobby Valentine
   5. Guapo Posted: October 23, 2008 at 09:29 PM (#2993337)
Love is the new market inefficiency.
   6. Lassus Posted: October 23, 2008 at 09:32 PM (#2993341)
How on earth does THAT not get nannied?
   7. robinred Posted: October 23, 2008 at 09:36 PM (#2993345)
How on earth does THAT not get nannied


Agreed. I am sick of reading "market inefficiency" here every ####### day.
   8. scareduck Posted: October 23, 2008 at 10:00 PM (#2993360)
#6 -- It's only fair. Dick isn't nannied, either.
   9. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 23, 2008 at 10:01 PM (#2993361)
Hate was good, but I preferred both The Great Eastern and Universal Audio.
   10. TerpNats Posted: October 23, 2008 at 10:02 PM (#2993363)
Most Nats fans I know don't like the Phillies, but they despise the Mets.
   11. jwb Posted: October 23, 2008 at 10:41 PM (#2993375)
Is this really Mets specific or just a transference of the general disdain for New York?
   12. Esoteric Posted: October 23, 2008 at 10:52 PM (#2993381)
#10 is absolutely correct.

I consider defeating the Mets to be performing God's work. Not only do I dislike their FO with a passion, I find their fans to utterly repulsive for the most part. (Hey, the Nats don't have any fans! We're off the hook!)

And whenever it occurs to me that BTF has a number of thoroughly likable and admirable Mets fans (Russlan, Sam M., Lassus, many others), I just remember Chris Dial. And the contempt comes a-flowin' on back!
   13. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: October 23, 2008 at 11:02 PM (#2993385)
I'm head of the class. I'm popular. I'm head of the class. I'm popular.
   14. Crispix Attacks Posted: October 23, 2008 at 11:03 PM (#2993386)
ANGER IS AN ENERGY
ANGER IS AN ENERGY
ANGER IS AN ENERGY
ANGER IS AN ENERGY
   15. Leroy Kincaid Posted: October 24, 2008 at 12:31 AM (#2993423)
Who besides Reyes, Pedro and Wagner is hateable?
   16. flournoy Posted: October 24, 2008 at 12:36 AM (#2993427)
Who besides Reyes, Pedro and Wagner is hateable?


There are about 22 other guys. I forget their names, but they wear hats with "NY" on them.
   17. scareduck Posted: October 24, 2008 at 12:41 AM (#2993431)
#13 -- do you know how to flirt and flounce?
   18. Crispix Attacks Posted: October 24, 2008 at 03:13 AM (#2993649)
There are about 22 other guys. I forget their names, but they wear hats with "NY" on them.

I can think of 50 hateable guys like that. Plus several dozen more with helmets instead of hats.
   19. Srul Itza Posted: October 24, 2008 at 03:53 AM (#2993718)
"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me!"

-- Actually, isn't that now his campaign slogan in Minnesota?
   20. Greg (U)K Posted: October 24, 2008 at 03:54 AM (#2993719)
No love for Domestiques?

By the way, I think the Delgados confirm my theory of the inverse relationship between how much I like a female singer and how attractive I find her.

See also; Blake Babies and Elastica
   21. nick swisher hygiene Posted: October 24, 2008 at 03:55 AM (#2993721)
don't confuse hatred with contempt...
   22. Jeff K. Posted: October 24, 2008 at 04:22 AM (#2993729)
Most <strike>Nats</strike> fans I know don't like the Phillies, but they despise the Mets.
   23. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 24, 2008 at 04:58 AM (#2993745)
Pedro Martinez, hateable? Who wrote that, Reggie Sanders? Now I'm going to be up all night mopping up these exploded synapses. Pedro is love, manifested in human form.
   24. CFBF Hates Hyphens Posted: October 24, 2008 at 05:01 AM (#2993748)
It started with Atlanta and all the hostility they had with the Mets through the years.

That's attributing an awful lot to what was basically a three or four year rivalry.
   25. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L) Posted: October 24, 2008 at 05:16 AM (#2993751)
Meh. Bandwagon haters. Who was with me in 2006? Who, I ask?
   26. billyshears Posted: October 24, 2008 at 05:17 AM (#2993753)
A high school baseball team comprised exclusively of Mets fans could have taken 2 of 3 from the Mets in the last couple weeks of the season, even if the umpiring crew for the series consisted of Sam, Russlan, Lassus and me. Hate had nothing to do with it.
   27. Surreality Posted: October 24, 2008 at 05:22 AM (#2993757)
Yeah, I'm sure when the Marlins play the Phillies they just roll over and let the Phils win because they love them so much. This is one of the silliest (although admittedly creative) excuses for losing baseball games I have ever seen.
   28. Surreality Posted: October 24, 2008 at 05:56 AM (#2993764)
I also am sure that Pat Gillick doesn't acutally believe that "Mets Hate" had anything to do with the Phillies winning the division and is probably laughing his butt off that some dumb reporter actually took him seriously when he said that.:)
   29. Jeff K. Posted: October 24, 2008 at 06:15 AM (#2993771)
Meh. Bandwagon haters. Who was with me in 2006? Who, I ask?

Come on, now. I've detested the Mets since 1985. My dad was a Cards fan, so they were my NL team, and a kid in my 3rd grade class had moved to Texas from NY. He was the prototypical Mets fan, and he took my natural dislike for them up to hatred. Throw in that abortion that was the early 90s Mets (surly, overpaid, and sex offending is no way to go through life, team) and then by the time they were good again, I was working at Bobby V's and hating the man. I'll admit that there's not much to hate about this recent team except the laundry, but after 15 years of hating the laundry, that's ingrained at this point.

Teams in any sport that I hate but don't really have a "good" (rivalry with my favorite team, etc) reason to: Mets, U of Miami football, Utah Jazz (I actively loathe Stockton and Malone), Colorado Avalanche.
   30. Walt Davis Posted: October 24, 2008 at 06:19 AM (#2993773)
Come on, now. I've detested the Mets since 1985.

Punk kid, get off my lawn.

1969.
   31. Russlan will never be fond of Jason Bay Posted: October 24, 2008 at 07:23 AM (#2993789)
Who besides Reyes, Pedro and Wagner is hateable?

I agree with one-third of this sentence and disagree with the rest.

I love me some Pedro but could understand how he could rub some people the wrong way. He could be cocky (some would say arrogant) and was an intimidator on the mound. But he was so much freaking fun when he was doing his thing. In an era of bland athletes, Pedro has always been genuine.

I don't get why Reyes gets all this hate. Is it really because of the home run celebrations? He plays hard (with the occasional mental lapse every now and again) and hasn't been controversial at all off the field.
   32. Phil Coorey. Posted: October 24, 2008 at 08:28 AM (#2993792)
voxter - agree - love the delgados - hate is easily their third best
   33. Leroy Kincaid Posted: October 24, 2008 at 11:25 AM (#2993802)
I don't get why Reyes gets all this hate.


Choreographed chicken-dances.
   34. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: October 24, 2008 at 11:43 AM (#2993804)
I thought his imitation of Brett Myers was spot on.
   35. The cushions are crowded for Edmundo Posted: October 24, 2008 at 12:47 PM (#2993824)
All the Nationals hate the Phillies
And Phillies hate the Nationals
The Braves hate the Marlins
And everyone hates the Mets

There ain't no National Brotherhood Week in the NL East!
   36. flournoy Posted: October 24, 2008 at 01:14 PM (#2993834)
The Braves hate the Marlins? News to me. As a Braves fan, I've always been rather indifferent to the Marlins.
   37. The cushions are crowded for Edmundo Posted: October 24, 2008 at 02:18 PM (#2993892)
The Braves hate the Marlins? News to me. As a Braves fan, I've always been rather indifferent to the Marlins.
Well, I'm sure the Marlins hate the Braves :), but the meter just isn't as good and "The Braves are indifferent to the Marlins" just doesn't work at all.
   38. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: October 24, 2008 at 02:31 PM (#2993905)
Here's what I want to know:

At what point did MLB become my grandmother’s card party?

Since when are these grown men so sensitive to a few empty gestures that they could get so riled up?

“WAAAAAAAAAH! REYES HAS HIS FINGER IN THE AIR! THAT HURTS MY FEELINGS! BOOHOOHOOHOOHOO! HE’S HIGH-FIVING DELGADO ON THE DUGOUT STEPS! WAAAAAAAHH!”

Bunch o’ frikken wash-women if you ask me.
   39. TerpNats Posted: October 24, 2008 at 02:33 PM (#2993910)
The Braves hate the Marlins? News to me. As a Braves fan, I've always been rather indifferent to the Marlins.
Uh, 1997? Livan Hernandez? (Or are you still blaming Eric Gregg?)
   40. Crispix Attacks Posted: October 24, 2008 at 02:43 PM (#2993919)
I am surprised that people actually single out Jose Reyes and Pedro "Pedro" Martinez for hatred more than the rest of the Mets. I think those guys have likable personalities and have never insulted the Phillies in particular, so what's the problem? The only one my gut tells me to hate more than the rest is Wagner.
   41. flournoy Posted: October 24, 2008 at 02:56 PM (#2993929)
(Or are you still blaming Eric Gregg?)


Bingo.



Anyway, that '97 Marlins team was completely gone by '98, so they didn't really have much of a chance to have any sort of team identity.
   42. The Good Face Posted: October 24, 2008 at 03:22 PM (#2993942)
Peace is a lie, there is only hatred.
Through hatred, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, I'll win the NL East.


You know, if the Mets actually went ahead and became Dark Lords of the Sith, it might be enough to make me... well... pay attention to them a little. But probably not.
   43. Lassus Posted: October 24, 2008 at 04:00 PM (#2993978)
An appearance by Tom Lehrer improves any thread.

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