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Tuesday, November 06, 2007
Or as Lombardi points out...“the last time the Yankees had a 40-year old catch a game for them was 1904 (Deacon McGuire).”
Brian Cashman’s top priority of getting Jorge Posada and Mariano Rivera re-signed remains the same, but at least one of those Yankee stalwarts isn’t inclined to make it that easy on the Bombers.
Posada appears ready to make the Yankees work for his services, according to sources familiar with the discussions, as the five-time All-Star catcher plans to wait until he can hear offers from other teams before making a decision.
...The biggest sticking point for Posada may wind up being the length of a deal, as the 36-year-old is seeking a four-year pact, according to sources, who said the Yankees have internally discussed an offer of three years and $40 million. With the Mets expected to be one of the teams in the bidding, Posada plans to see what his market value is, though the Yankees likely will do whatever they must in order to retain the popular 11-year veteran.
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Posted: November 06, 2007 at 03:42 PM | 45 comment(s)
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1. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: November 06, 2007 at 03:57 PM (#2606390)And if Posada signs for four years, he will be 40 for about the last two months of the contract. Give him what he wants. Giambi is gone after 2008; Posada can transition to 1B/DH starting in 2009.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7413882
The Mets really should go all out and get A-rod, Posada, and Pettitte.
I will say, though, that if Cashman thought that 2008 was going to be the final year with his older players (and that 2009 was going to be when he was going to start seriously remaking the Yankees), well, things started a lot earlier than he planned.... (first, he has to bring up Hughes, Joba and Kennedy, and now he loses A-Rod).
worst case scenario, they have an expensive backup catcher at the end of the deal.
Agree. 5/70 is crazy talk though.
The length of the deal is irrelevant, Posada has to keep hitting, if he can keep his OPS+ over 120 he'll keep playing whether its a 4 year deal or a series of one year deals
If he starts hitting like Brad Ausmus he either won't play or he will play but it won't help his chances- he's at 218 HR and 861 RBIs, he really needs 300-1000, 1000 will be easy, 300 won't be, he's got to keep hitting
Assuming Posada hits 270/380/450 or so, 13 million is way too much to pay an old 1b/dh. His value to the Yankees is as a catcher. If they don't plan on using him as a catcher beyond the first year, its time to say goodbye.
BTW, when is Vic Martinez going to hit free agency?
I would imagine 2 years at catcher is the plan. third year split time at C, and if he gets a fourth year, split time there are well, with a few fewer starts.
Yankees can afford a 13 million dollar platoon
You know, that's actually going to be an interesting problem after this year. Varitek will be a free agent, as far as I know, and his bat really won't justify a multi year deal at over 10 million per, will it? But that would be a huge PR hit if they let him walk.
But Posada is a lot better.
I was talking about a gradual transition. I'd be perfectly happy to overpay and/or add an extra year in order to keep his value as a catcher in the front years. I could live with games caught totals of 130, 110, 80 and 40 over a four year contract.
No, that's my brother, Crazy Talk.
Seriously, how backloaded would Posada's 5/70 be? Maybe in five years, $14-15M for a two-thirds-regular first baseman won't seem quite so terrible, such that the Mets could dump him. I really don't know.
I agree with the people who say the Yankees should simply pay him. Not that I really care about the Yankees' best interests -- quite the opposite, really -- but Posada just seems right as a lifelong Yankee. There's something special about that distinction, and I've always respected the guy.
If they want a switch-hitting DH for the ballpark, he might be a fit, but I would offer 3 years and leave it at that.
What?
The biggest problem for Boston re: Varitek isn't the potential PR ding, but finding a replacement - one would hope Kottaras would improve in his 2nd AAA season, but if he doesn't, the potential FA list doesn't look too great (Johnny Estrada & a 35-yo I-Rod are the highlights), and I'm not sure the trade market is going to be very helpful. JV could demand another 4/40ish deal & get it with ease.
Huh? Only Johnson, a world-renowned prick, wanted a personal backup catcher, and that was just for one year.
Using Tango's salary scale (adding 10% since it's from last offseason) that makes him worth 3/57 or 4/75. A steeper decline (losing 1 win per year instead of 0.5) makes it 3/50 or 4/59.
I wonder what the Girardi/Pettitte relationship was like. In 96, Leyritz was Andy's personal catcher.
Pettitte is very dependent on his catcher, apparently - he needs someone to call the game for him, unlike, say, Mussina, who calls the game for himself. Which is part of the reason he's never really seemed to want to move around through free agency, just because he has no idea what kind of catcher he'll get. As I've said in the Pettitte thread, he's an odd bird.
source?
Mussina is generally a misanthropic sort, I think. I've never heard of him having a problem with Posada specifically.
They used to get in screaming matches on the mound.
Is Duque a FA? I would love to sign him. I love watching that guy, and I bet he could throw until he is 50 out of the pen.
I hope Torrealba- though they may do the same thing they did when Pedro used them as a bargaining chip in 2004.
I'd love if the Mets got Posada and would be willing to "overpay" in terms of dollars, but five years is wacky.
I'd love if the Mets got Posada and would be willing to "overpay" in terms of dollars, but five years is wacky.
I'm about the biggest Castro fan there is, but relying on a guy with an arthritic back to play 120-140 games at catcher strikes me as a bad, bad idea. I'd bring in Castro and Torrealba, hoping for a 120-40 split Castro's way, prepared for as much as a 120-40 split Torrealba's way-that is a pairing with a florr offensively equal to Lo Duca, and better defensively, with much higher upside. And in total, it would probably cost less than Posada.
But Posada is a nice addition, to be sure. 5 years is tough, but with a reachable incentive based on PT, I think the upside for 08-09 is too good to pass up- and it may take that fifth year to make it happen.
First, don't call me by my slave name! My name is Russlan. Just kidding.
Rasky was the guy who was very excited about that Met prospect but he is excited about every Met prospect. He and I were (and still are) pretty high on Jesus Flores when he was a Met prospect. I thought he was very likely to have a good career as a starting catcher then and nothing I have seen so far has made me change my mind although he needs to do better against righties.
Pretty hefty for a 19 year old! He hit 190/350/240 in rookie ball this year, with a good eye and absolutely nothing else going for him. He's still young, but he's not quite ready for prime time, I don't think...
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