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Wednesday, February 27, 2008

N.Y. Daily News: Republicans block HGH bill

WATCH OUT!!! If there’s a plague here...Charlie Schumer, you’re the most important guy in this town!

The partisan split that erupted during the Feb. 13 House committee hearing on the Mitchell Report has apparently spread to the Senate, where two unknown Republican senators have thrown up a roadblock to a bill to crack down on human growth hormone.

The two GOP lawmakers have placed “holds” on a bill sponsored by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), delaying passage of a measure that would list HGH as a controlled substance like anabolic steroids, making it illegal to possess without a prescription.

...Supporters of the bill are confused because on Capitol Hill, being opposed to a crackdown on HGH is a little like being against puppies and warm cookies. The bill enjoyed widespread bipartisan support, and the leaders of two industries that would be affected most - Major League Baseball commissioner Bud Selig and NFL commissioner Roger Goodell - have endorsed the bill, currently pending before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

“It is hard to grasp what possible objections anyone could have to making sure a substance as dangerous as HGH stays out of the wrong hands,” said Schumer, who introduced the bill almost one year ago.

...“We would like to address any concerns someone might have, but because they choose to remain secret, we can’t even tell who is raising the objection,” Schumer said. “With HGH spreading across college campuses and high schools and perhaps even to kids younger than that, it’s imperative that we act quickly.”

Repoz Posted: February 27, 2008 at 11:35 AM | 37 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:16 PM (#2700879)
I bet it's McCain, scratching Stallone's back in return for the endorsement.
   2. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:22 PM (#2700882)
I'm guessing Hatch. He's usually the enabler on these kind of things. How can they remain anonymous?
   3. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:38 PM (#2700898)
As usual kevin, follow the money. Who makes HGH and, more importantly, WHERE do they make it?
   4. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:44 PM (#2700901)
Who makes HGH and, more importantly, WHERE do they make it?
This is, surely, the explanation.

There are no winners here. Both the Republicans and the Democrats are invested in the war on (some people who use some classes of) drugs, regardless of the obvious evidence of its failure to meet its stated goals and its awful effects on real people. The attempt to add more drugs to that formulary is an extension of the "war" - though surely by orders of magnitude less harmful than the typical policies, just because of the social location and biological facts of HGH use, production, and distribution.
   5. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:49 PM (#2700904)
Is hGH not a controlled substance at all?
   6. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:51 PM (#2700905)
I like to cite my mom when it comes to drugs as she was a big shot in the California prison system. There is no bigger advocate for the decriminalization of drugs than she is. It's insane how many people we have in prison and how much it costs directly and collaterally.
   7. bfan Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:59 PM (#2700910)
"They may have simply wanted more time to review the bill."

Laws aren't like some jeopardy game, where the goal is to push the button and have the answer the fastest. Once the law is passed, it is on the books, and unmaking it becomes very difficult. It occurs to me that if someone wants a few days to read the bill and consult with medical professionals outside the realm of public comment (and grand-standing)about whether the bill is properly crafted and is appropriate in scope, then maybe that isn't a bad thing.

Just because we can exchange ideas immediately on the internet doesn't mean that everything has to be decided and done immediately. Waiting the 6 day period causes no harm, and actually may lead to some thought and further input.
   8. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:05 PM (#2700916)
Just because we can exchange ideas immediately on the internet doesn't mean that everything has to be decided and done immediately. Waiting the 6 day period causes no harm, and actually may lead to some thought and further input.

I hear you, but the bill was introduced a year ago and the senators blocking it are remaining anonymous, which seems fishy to me. I hate to sound cynical, but this screams of a couple of senators taking care of their financial backers to me. I'd say the same if it were two Dems anonymously blocking the bill.
   9. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:09 PM (#2700919)
Shotty, we're talking apples and oragnes here. How many prisoners did your mom know that were doing 5-10 on an hGH bust?

Shotty? I thought we were buds?

None yet, kevin. But if they make it a controlled substance, and states with 3 strikes law start prosecuting people, you're going to see people get longer sentences than 5 to 10.
   10. kubiwan Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:16 PM (#2700925)
It's really quite simple. Republicans are soft on drugs.

It would be a better place if only this were true and if only the Democrats joined them.
   11. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:17 PM (#2700927)
The republicans have reflexively filibustered and stalled almost every piece of legislation to come down the pike over the last year or so. This allows them to argue that the democratically controlled congress hasn't accomplished anything. My guess is that the same thing is going on here. IOW, this is about PR.
   12. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:22 PM (#2700931)
The two GOP lawmakers have placed “holds” on a bill sponsored by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), delaying passage of a measure that would list HGH as a controlled substance like anabolic steroids, making it illegal to possess without a prescription.

This makes it seem like they are going to make it controlled, implying that it currently isn't. Is it just a matter of degree? From moving HGH from controlled to double secret controlled?
   13. Danny Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:25 PM (#2700932)
I'd guess Hatch and crazy Tom Coburn.
   14. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:27 PM (#2700933)
I don't know who one of them is, but the either is clearly Jim Bunning, hoping to use HGH to make a miracle comeback!
   15. Danny Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:29 PM (#2700936)
This makes it seem like they are going to make it controlled, implying that it currently isn't. Is it just a matter of degree? From moving HGH from controlled to double secret controlled?


From The Hill:

Currently pending before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Schumer’s bill would add HGH to the U.S. Controlled Substances Act as a Schedule III substance, making it illegal to possess without a prescription. That would equate the drug with anabolic steroids, possession of which is punishable by up to three years in prison. Aides to Schumer say Congress has already stiffened laws regulating steroids twice before, and this should be a routine matter.
   16. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:31 PM (#2700939)
Thanks Danny.
   17. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:34 PM (#2700945)
Nobody likes my McCain theory? Feh.

I could see Coburn doing it.
   18. Chris Dial Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:38 PM (#2700951)
It is, Pops. You're supposed to get a prescription for it.
That's not what "Controlled Substance" means.
   19. Chris Dial Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:45 PM (#2700965)
This helps:
"HGH is tightly regulated by the FDA, but HGH is not a controlled substance on the federal level in the United States. It is a controlled substance in some states, though. As of this writing, HGH is a controlled substance in Idaho, Oregon, Rhode Island and West Virginia. In addition, Colorado has "defined" HGH as an anabolic steroid, effectively making it a controlled substance in that state. Other states place some additional restrictions on it as well."
   20. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:49 PM (#2700972)
That help Chris, thanks. This is much more complicated than I thought.
   21. Ron Johnson Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:50 PM (#2700973)
Chris, I'm pretty confident that it's controlled in a total of 9 states. At least that's what the lawyer on Bob Cowan's show said.
   22. Chris Dial Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:52 PM (#2700980)
That's possible, Ron. That was written in mid-07.
   23. Chris Needham Posted: February 27, 2008 at 04:01 PM (#2700991)
It seems like some of this could be procedural too.

Holds are generally used to keep bills from floor action. Yet, it appears that this bill is still stuck in Committee, not having yet been referred to the floor for action.

If that's the case, then the hold doesn't really matter a damn bit, and they could (and should) just pass the bill out of Committee, even on a party-line vote, to force a bit more action.

It's also entirely possible, that the sponsors of the bill are trying to ram it through quickly, waiving some of the typical legislative and review hearings of the bill. If that's the case, that's likely to cheese off a number of committee members, who'd want a crack at the bill, if only to ensure that their name is attached to what comes out.
   24. Charles S., consistent since he changed his mind Posted: February 27, 2008 at 04:29 PM (#2701033)
I like to cite my mom when it comes to drugs as she was a big shot in the California prison system. There is no bigger advocate for the decriminalization of drugs than she is. It's insane how many people we have in prison and how much it costs directly and collaterally.


Much of the blame/credit for this goes to privatization. Prison construction and prison management is now a growth industry with all the lobbyists and influence peddlers that accompany wuch status.
   25. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: February 27, 2008 at 04:55 PM (#2701073)
Much of the blame/credit for this goes to privatization. Prison construction and prison management is now a growth industry with all the lobbyists and influence peddlers that accompany wuch status.

In Calif., it's still primarily public. The Correctional Officers union might be the most influential in the state. But yeah, in general there's a lot of money to be made off prisons and it's completely warping the criminal justice system. We, as a country, I think need to take a deep breath, step back a bit, and define again what it is we want our prisons to accomplish. Because right now they've become a form of hyper-welfare and a kind of advanced MBA program for criminals. Of course, every time an election comes up all anybody wants to hear is that we're going to put more and more and more people behind bars as if that will solve everything.
   26. ValueArb Posted: February 28, 2008 at 02:00 AM (#2701678)
Kevin wants to put grandma and grandpa behind bars. Nice!!!
   27. scareduck Posted: February 28, 2008 at 02:03 AM (#2701681)
I like to cite my mom when it comes to drugs as she was a big shot in the California prison system. There is no bigger advocate for the decriminalization of drugs than she is. It's insane how many people we have in prison and how much it costs directly and collaterally.

On that topic, it was funny in a kind of oh-God-can-we-please-get-the-hell-over-it sense when I read about the AG-of-the-month, Michael Mukasey, whining about sentence normalization for crack cocaine and the attendant, pending release of a number of inmates imprisoned on those grounds.
   28. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: February 28, 2008 at 03:05 AM (#2701728)
..."We would like to address any concerns someone might have, but because they choose to remain secret, we can’t even tell who is raising the objection,” Schumer said. “With HGH spreading across college campuses and high schools and perhaps even to kids younger than that, it’s imperative that we act quickly.”
In fact, I hear that every kid in the U.S. has hGH in his system!
   29. BeanoCook Posted: February 28, 2008 at 03:40 AM (#2701744)
Laws aren't like some jeopardy game, where the goal is to push the button and have the answer the fastest. Once the law is passed, it is on the books, and unmaking it becomes very difficult. It occurs to me that if someone wants a few days to read the bill and consult with medical professionals outside the realm of public comment (and grand-standing)about whether the bill is properly crafted and is appropriate in scope, then maybe that isn't a bad thing.

Just because we can exchange ideas immediately on the internet doesn't mean that everything has to be decided and done immediately. Waiting the 6 day period causes no harm, and actually may lead to some thought and further input.


stop being reasonable.
   30. walt williams bobblehead Posted: February 28, 2008 at 04:07 AM (#2701765)
If this bill passes, will you still be able to possess hGH as part of your body?
   31. Srul Itza Posted: February 28, 2008 at 04:19 AM (#2701769)
Only with a prescription.
   32. ValueArb Posted: February 28, 2008 at 09:58 PM (#2702400)
More than one in every 100 U.S. adults is in jail or prison -- making the U.S. the world's incarceration leader, according to a new report tracking the surge in U.S. inmate population.

The report, released Thursday by the Pew Center on the States, urged U.S. states to rein in corrections costs with alternative sentencing programs.

"The United States imprisons more people than any country in the world," the report said. Using updated state-by-state data, it said more than 2.3 million adults were held in U.S. prisons or jails at the start of 2008 -- or one of every 99.1 adults out of a total population of some 230 million adults.

The numbers put the U.S. far ahead of more populous China, which it said has 1.5 million people behind bars, and Russia, which has 890,000 inmates. The Pew report cited January statistics from the "World Prison Brief" released by the International Center for Prison Studies at London's King's College.

It also said the U.S. -- with 750 inmates per 100,000 people -- "is the global leader in the rate at which it incarcerates its citizenry, outpacing nations like South Africa and Iran."

South Africa has 341 per 100,000 citizens, Iran has 222 per 100,000, and China 119, according to the World Prison Brief.

Russia and other former Soviet republics had the highest incarceration rates within Europe. Russia has 628 inmates per 100,000 people, followed by Belarus's 426 per 100,000, Georgia's 401 per 100,000 and Ukraine's 345 per 100,000, according to the World Prison Brief.

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